The New South Wales Police Gazette was first published in 1862. An earlier publication was the New South Wales Reports of Crime which had been published between 1852 and 1862. Maureen -----Original Message----- Dear Listers I wondered if anyone has found any 'gems' in these ? I was surprised by the years covered of 1854 - 1930 The years 1863 -1900 were on line previously .......... I know Gosford Library has films of these Gazettes from 1862 - 1930. Never seen the earlier years 1854 -1861 before . Certainly one of those 'you'll never know what you might find till you look ' things The Mitchell Library has films of later year but theres a 70 year embargo and you need to get permission to view Bye MargM Sydney List Admin Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-SYDNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi List I found something in the NSW Police Gazette last night about my grt. grandfather (at least I think it's him - certainly fits). In July 1914 there is a Warrant out for him by the children's court Bench for child desertion. It gives a description and states he's a Showman which he was, aged 45 (that fits). The Complainant is Frances Hiddlestone of 14 Gordon Street, Paddington. I Googled the name and came up with a WW1 Australian Army record for Francis Edward John Hiddlestone, 14 Gordon Street, Paddington, aged 34 in 1915. It's the same address but I can't find a birth for a child in NSW after 1911 for either Coles or Hiddlestone as one can only search until 1911. I'm also wondering if the complainant Frances should be Francis as in male not female. I looked for a Marriage for Frances Hiddlestone and found one for Francis E Hiddlestone marrying Annie J Molloy in Sydney in 1912. Perhaps it was her child and her new husband decided to seek child support. So, I'm hoping someone out there can help me with this puzzle. Dear old grt gramps (Charles Coles), married in 1915 in Brisbane to his second (that we know of) partner/wife - wonder if she knew!! The more I find out about this man the prouder I'm getting - not. Cheers Marcelle Western Australia

Dear Listers I wondered if anyone has found any 'gems' in these ? I was surprised by the years covered of 1854 - 1930 The years 1863 -1900 were on line previously .......... I know Gosford Library has films of these Gazettes from 1862 - 1930. Never seen the earlier years 1854 -1861 before . Certainly one of those 'you'll never know what you might find till you look ' things The Mitchell Library has films of later year but theres a 70 year embargo and you need to get permission to view Bye MargM Sydney List Admin

Dear Listers Found in Ancestrys new stuff New Collections All countries AustralianRecords Date New South Wales, Australia, Police Gazettes, 1854-1930 1504131 Yesterday 22 Oct 2012 The date range is interesting as via Archive CD Books or the World Connect web site these only went to 1900 Were on film after 1900 and still are. Bye MargM List Admin

I have just found that CATHERINE MACKAY, wife of JAMES ALEXANDER SMITH of Hughenden, Qld died in 1935 in a private hospital in Paddington, Sydney, NSW. She was privately interred in South Head cemetery. I have no further information and wonder if anyone can shed any light on this lady. With thanks Laraine Tarragindi, Qld

Dear Listers For some reason this subject recently went a bit ferrel on the AUS-CONVICTS list and got a little out of hand. Its some years since I was last in Parramatta but when I lived in the area I traversed this bridge quite often and was aware of its history Please consider your wording as with other social media it can be there for a long time. Bye MargM Sydney List Admin

Thanks to Jenni and Alison for illuminating this topic. Jenni wrote: ........................................... As a lot of people, I have > probably been thinking of this issue with passion, and wonder why the > citizen's concerns are not taken into account and on a more serious note? We > lose these parts of our history and we never get them back, which is very > sad indeed... As I have looked at the bridge in recent years, from various angles I have found its original charm very much absent thru widening, strengthening and other hurtful injuries so the original beauty of the poor thing is gone, longago. The nicest views of the original design are probably those from water level. And ultimately from the intended bicycle riders. >> Partial Demolition of Lennox Bridge Approved: On Wednesday 3 October the > NSW Heritage Council voted to allow Parramatta City Council to demolish part > of the 1830s convict-built Lennox Bridge to provide for two riverbank > cycleways. The Heritage Council still has vacant positions for an historian > and a National Trust representative, who might have been able to influence > the vote. I was an active member of the Nat Trust Industrial Archaeology Committee long ago. The Heritage Council always impressed me with the thorough justice they invoked toward the built environment. It seems inappropriate to me, that this debate should spill into this Rootsweb service. Maybe Facebook or Twitter could be better suited?? Bye, ALISTAIR Researching Convict ancestors arr. from Mauritius 1833, died at Parramatta Women's Prison. Surnames Marcelin, Marshalena.

Thanks for the confirmation I did email the minister, but really didn't expect a response. Mary On 14 October 2012 13:51, Jenni Hogan <JenniLH@tpg.com.au> wrote: > > Mary, I guess the only way to put our case forward is to keep at them via > email. Like most people on this list my forbears where instrumental in > building this county with hard work, and a vision for the future for family > members to enjoy. I am recently back from a trip to the UK and was > absolutely in awe at their history and how they present and preserve it. > This in turn has been a great way to make a lot of money as the tourists > really want to see those kind of attractions. Preserve it and show it to > it's advantage and encourage people to come and see some of OUR history! I > will certainly keep at them as much as I can...............Jenni > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-nsw-sydney-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-nsw-sydney-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mary Cunningham > Sent: Sunday, 14 October 2012 1:35 PM > To: aus-nsw-sydney@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ANS] Lennox Bridge, Parramatta needs your help > > Hi > > Hate to say it but aren't ministers usually responsible for filling this > country up with Mr Chadid's, who hate our colonial heritage and everything > about it, in the first place?. > > I for one don't expect Mr Chadid to be sympathetic to our colonial culture > and heritage, he probably hates it. > > The Mr Chadid's of this world don't come here for Australian culture and > heritage....., they come here to smother it. > > He wants a bicycle track for the now non Anglo/moslty Muslim population of > Parramatta, and won't think twice about knocking down the beautiful old > colonial convict bridge to get it.. > > Please keep at them, or otherwise everything we have will soon be lost, > and > like Britain, Europe and America we will soon be embroiled in a civil war > of > our own left wing socialist governments making.. . > > > On 14 October 2012 11:38, Jenni Hogan <JenniLH@tpg.com.au> wrote: > > > Thanks Alison, I too missed the second email and apologise, but wonder > > if all the other emails were also incorrect. As a lot of people, I > > have probably been thinking of this issue with passion, and wonder why > > the citizen's concerns are not taken into account and on a more serious > note? > > We > > lose these parts of our history and we never get them back, which is > > very sad indeed.................Jenni > > > > > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-NSW-SYDNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-NSW-SYDNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Sorry Alistair, I thought that this is an appropriate way to talk of historical issues, especially the preservation of such structures. A lot of us don't do Facebook or Twitter. Yes it is a shame that it has got to this state of disrepair but if we don't chat about such things more will disappear. I am proud of our heritage and this list has helped me in many ways by talking about people and issues just like this. Thanks for your input, I respect your views and I will say no more on this topic............................Jenni -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-sydney-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-sydney-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Alistair Cameron Sent: Sunday, 14 October 2012 2:17 PM To: aus-nsw-sydney@rootsweb.com Cc: Judith Rowling Subject: Re: [ANS] Lennox Bridge, Parramatta needs your help Thanks to Jenni and Alison for illuminating this topic. Jenni wrote: ........................................... As a lot of people, I have > probably been thinking of this issue with passion, and wonder why the > citizen's concerns are not taken into account and on a more serious > note? We lose these parts of our history and we never get them back, > which is very sad indeed... As I have looked at the bridge in recent years, from various angles I have found its original charm very much absent thru widening, strengthening and other hurtful injuries so the original beauty of the poor thing is gone, longago. The nicest views of the original design are probably those from water level. And ultimately from the intended bicycle riders. >> Partial Demolition of Lennox Bridge Approved: On Wednesday 3 October >> the > NSW Heritage Council voted to allow Parramatta City Council to > demolish part of the 1830s convict-built Lennox Bridge to provide for > two riverbank cycleways. The Heritage Council still has vacant > positions for an historian and a National Trust representative, who > might have been able to influence the vote. I was an active member of the Nat Trust Industrial Archaeology Committee long ago. The Heritage Council always impressed me with the thorough justice they invoked toward the built environment. It seems inappropriate to me, that this debate should spill into this Rootsweb service. Maybe Facebook or Twitter could be better suited?? Bye, ALISTAIR Researching Convict ancestors arr. from Mauritius 1833, died at Parramatta Women's Prison. Surnames Marcelin, Marshalena. Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-SYDNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mary, I guess the only way to put our case forward is to keep at them via email. Like most people on this list my forbears where instrumental in building this county with hard work, and a vision for the future for family members to enjoy. I am recently back from a trip to the UK and was absolutely in awe at their history and how they present and preserve it. This in turn has been a great way to make a lot of money as the tourists really want to see those kind of attractions. Preserve it and show it to it's advantage and encourage people to come and see some of OUR history! I will certainly keep at them as much as I can...............Jenni -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-sydney-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-sydney-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mary Cunningham Sent: Sunday, 14 October 2012 1:35 PM To: aus-nsw-sydney@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ANS] Lennox Bridge, Parramatta needs your help Hi Hate to say it but aren't ministers usually responsible for filling this country up with Mr Chadid's, who hate our colonial heritage and everything about it, in the first place?. I for one don't expect Mr Chadid to be sympathetic to our colonial culture and heritage, he probably hates it. The Mr Chadid's of this world don't come here for Australian culture and heritage....., they come here to smother it. He wants a bicycle track for the now non Anglo/moslty Muslim population of Parramatta, and won't think twice about knocking down the beautiful old colonial convict bridge to get it.. Please keep at them, or otherwise everything we have will soon be lost, and like Britain, Europe and America we will soon be embroiled in a civil war of our own left wing socialist governments making.. . On 14 October 2012 11:38, Jenni Hogan <JenniLH@tpg.com.au> wrote: > Thanks Alison, I too missed the second email and apologise, but wonder > if all the other emails were also incorrect. As a lot of people, I > have probably been thinking of this issue with passion, and wonder why > the citizen's concerns are not taken into account and on a more serious note? > We > lose these parts of our history and we never get them back, which is > very sad indeed.................Jenni > > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-SYDNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Hate to say it but aren't ministers usually responsible for filling this country up with Mr Chadid's, who hate our colonial heritage and everything about it, in the first place?. I for one don't expect Mr Chadid to be sympathetic to our colonial culture and heritage, he probably hates it. The Mr Chadid's of this world don't come here for Australian culture and heritage....., they come here to smother it. He wants a bicycle track for the now non Anglo/moslty Muslim population of Parramatta, and won't think twice about knocking down the beautiful old colonial convict bridge to get it.. Please keep at them, or otherwise everything we have will soon be lost, and like Britain, Europe and America we will soon be embroiled in a civil war of our own left wing socialist governments making.. . On 14 October 2012 11:38, Jenni Hogan <JenniLH@tpg.com.au> wrote: > Thanks Alison, I too missed the second email and apologise, but wonder if > all the other emails were also incorrect. As a lot of people, I have > probably been thinking of this issue with passion, and wonder why the > citizen's concerns are not taken into account and on a more serious note? > We > lose these parts of our history and we never get them back, which is very > sad indeed.................Jenni > >

Alistair, Here's a copy of the email re Lennox Bridge - it was sent to the list five days ago (9 October) - no wonder there's been no reply from the politicians - they have barely had a chance to read their emails ! A further email to the list the next day (10 October) noted that the address given in the original email for the Minister's address was incorrect: Office of Environment and Heritage, please send your correspondence to the Minister's Office atoffice@parker.minister.nsw.gov.au Alison :-) Sydney Oz --------------------------------------------------------- On 9.10.2012 7:34 AM, The Warwicks wrote: > This statement was issued in the latest RAHS E-News. > > > Partial Demolition of Lennox Bridge Approved: On Wednesday 3 October the NSW Heritage Council voted to allow Parramatta City Council to demolish part of the 1830s convict-built Lennox Bridge to provide for two riverbank cycleways. The Heritage Council still has vacant positions for an historian and a National Trust representative, who might have been able to influence the vote. To voice your disapproval please email The Honorable Robyn Parker, Minister for Heritage Robyn.Parker@parliament.nsw.gov.au, Heritage Council Chair Professor Lawrence Nield Lawrence.Nield@newcastle.edu.au. Parramatta City Council has yet to determine the Development Application so you should also contact the Lord Mayor Cr John Chedid jchedid@parracity.nsw.gov.au. > > > We are seeking your help once again to save an important part of Parramatta, Sydney & Australia's history. This development application was withdrawn by Parramatta Council the first time they presented it due to the amount of objections it raised by individuals and Family & Local History Groups. Unfortunately, the council has re-presented the proposal which has now been approved by the NSW Heritage Council - for reasons that are unknown and completely incomprehensible to us. > > Please voice your disapproval of this application by emailing the abovementioned authorities. > > Thank you > > Dorothy Warwick > >

On 14/10/2012 10:41 AM, Jenni Hogan wrote: > > A few weeks ago someone asked us all to write to certain people in regards > to proposed demolition to part of the Bridge that has stood in Parramatta > for most of the Colony's history, which we did. NONE of these people > answered, or even acknowledged receipt of these emails. If this is their > attitude what can we expect to happen with this issue!! I did not receive any of that correspondence~~ Will you or Marge M pls repeat the msg. The bridge is familiar to me, standing alongside the great modern Hall wherein the Riverside Theatre and other marvels function these days. Thanks ALISTAIR M CAMERON > Jenni Hogan > > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-SYDNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5329 - Release Date: 10/13/12 > >

Thanks Alison, I too missed the second email and apologise, but wonder if all the other emails were also incorrect. As a lot of people, I have probably been thinking of this issue with passion, and wonder why the citizen's concerns are not taken into account and on a more serious note? We lose these parts of our history and we never get them back, which is very sad indeed.................Jenni -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-sydney-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-sydney-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Alison Sent: Sunday, 14 October 2012 11:25 AM To: aus-nsw-sydney@rootsweb.com; acameron@hinet.net.au Subject: Re: [ANS] Lennox Bridge, Parramatta needs your help Alistair, Here's a copy of the email re Lennox Bridge - it was sent to the list five days ago (9 October) - no wonder there's been no reply from the politicians - they have barely had a chance to read their emails ! A further email to the list the next day (10 October) noted that the address given in the original email for the Minister's address was incorrect: Office of Environment and Heritage, please send your correspondence to the Minister's Office atoffice@parker.minister.nsw.gov.au Alison :-) Sydney Oz --------------------------------------------------------- On 9.10.2012 7:34 AM, The Warwicks wrote: > This statement was issued in the latest RAHS E-News. > > > Partial Demolition of Lennox Bridge Approved: On Wednesday 3 October the NSW Heritage Council voted to allow Parramatta City Council to demolish part of the 1830s convict-built Lennox Bridge to provide for two riverbank cycleways. The Heritage Council still has vacant positions for an historian and a National Trust representative, who might have been able to influence the vote. To voice your disapproval please email The Honorable Robyn Parker, Minister for Heritage Robyn.Parker@parliament.nsw.gov.au, Heritage Council Chair Professor Lawrence Nield Lawrence.Nield@newcastle.edu.au. Parramatta City Council has yet to determine the Development Application so you should also contact the Lord Mayor Cr John Chedid jchedid@parracity.nsw.gov.au. > > > We are seeking your help once again to save an important part of Parramatta, Sydney & Australia's history. This development application was withdrawn by Parramatta Council the first time they presented it due to the amount of objections it raised by individuals and Family & Local History Groups. Unfortunately, the council has re-presented the proposal which has now been approved by the NSW Heritage Council - for reasons that are unknown and completely incomprehensible to us. > > Please voice your disapproval of this application by emailing the abovementioned authorities. > > Thank you > > Dorothy Warwick > > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-SYDNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Listers I read your comments with interest from far-off England. Jenni's visit to the UK may have left her in awe of our history and how it's presented, but we are suffering the same as you from 'do-gooders' and/or politicians who see their idea of progress as something better than our heritage. We must learn from history and preserve the culture of our homelands, respecting those who went before us and whatever small part they played. I don't know anything about Lennox Bridge, but it sounds like a good cause to me, so more power to your elbow! Rob G Halesowen -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-sydney-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-sydney-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mary Cunningham Sent: 14 October 2012 06:12 To: aus-nsw-sydney@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ANS] Lennox Bridge, Parramatta needs your help Thanks for the confirmation I did email the minister, but really didn't expect a response. Mary On 14 October 2012 13:51, Jenni Hogan <JenniLH@tpg.com.au> wrote: > > Mary, I guess the only way to put our case forward is to keep at them > via email. Like most people on this list my forbears where > instrumental in building this county with hard work, and a vision for > the future for family members to enjoy. I am recently back from a trip > to the UK and was absolutely in awe at their history and how they present and preserve it. > This in turn has been a great way to make a lot of money as the > tourists really want to see those kind of attractions. Preserve it and > show it to it's advantage and encourage people to come and see some of > OUR history! I will certainly keep at them as much as I > can...............Jenni > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-nsw-sydney-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-nsw-sydney-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mary > Cunningham > Sent: Sunday, 14 October 2012 1:35 PM > To: aus-nsw-sydney@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ANS] Lennox Bridge, Parramatta needs your help > > Hi > > Hate to say it but aren't ministers usually responsible for filling > this country up with Mr Chadid's, who hate our colonial heritage and > everything about it, in the first place?. > > I for one don't expect Mr Chadid to be sympathetic to our colonial > culture and heritage, he probably hates it. > > The Mr Chadid's of this world don't come here for Australian culture > and heritage....., they come here to smother it. > > He wants a bicycle track for the now non Anglo/moslty Muslim > population of Parramatta, and won't think twice about knocking down > the beautiful old colonial convict bridge to get it.. > > Please keep at them, or otherwise everything we have will soon be > lost, and like Britain, Europe and America we will soon be embroiled > in a civil war of our own left wing socialist governments making.. . > > > On 14 October 2012 11:38, Jenni Hogan <JenniLH@tpg.com.au> wrote: > > > Thanks Alison, I too missed the second email and apologise, but wonder > > if all the other emails were also incorrect. As a lot of people, I > > have probably been thinking of this issue with passion, and wonder why > > the citizen's concerns are not taken into account and on a more serious > note? > > We > > lose these parts of our history and we never get them back, which is > > very sad indeed.................Jenni > > > > > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-NSW-SYDNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-NSW-SYDNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-SYDNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you very much for the responses. > A stevedore is a wharf labourer who works on the docks loading ships -

A few weeks ago someone asked us all to write to certain people in regards to proposed demolition to part of the Bridge that has stood in Parramatta for most of the Colony's history, which we did. NONE of these people answered, or even acknowledged receipt of these emails. If this is their attitude what can we expect to happen with this issue!! Jenni Hogan

A stevedore is a wharf labourer who works on the docks loading ships - it was very very hard yakka in the days before cranes and containers :) Leith Davis On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 11:47 PM, <tracey_e62@exemail.com.au> wrote: > I was wondering if anyone knew of these people. From what I believe they > lived in The Rocks area. > I know that she (Agnes born c 1821) died in 1862 in Sydney. There is a > inquest into her death in February 1862 Sydney Herald Paper. It states > that her husband (George Wilson b c 1820) was "a Stevedore - at present > employed in Queensland" not sure what a Stevedore is. Hope someone can > help. Regards Tracey. > > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-NSW-SYDNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Tracey A Stevedore loaded and unloaded cargo from ships; today know as a Wharf Labourer or Wharfie. Regards Peter O'D Central Coast NSW - not sure what a Stevedore is. Hope someone can help. Regards Tracey.

I was wondering if anyone knew of these people. From what I believe they lived in The Rocks area. I know that she (Agnes born c 1821) died in 1862 in Sydney. There is a inquest into her death in February 1862 Sydney Herald Paper. It states that her husband (George Wilson b c 1820) was "a Stevedore - at present employed in Queensland" not sure what a Stevedore is. Hope someone can help. Regards Tracey.