Hi list, i was wondering if anyone had any suggestions for the following puzzle: i have a *Thomas Godfrey ENGLAND * b. St. Lawrences, Sydney, 1854 (Thomas A on old cemetery printout records but definitely Thomas Godfrey acc'd to headstone) d. Parramatta, Sydney, NSW (aged 26 yrs on headstone, but born 1851 accd to bdm register as Thomas G) Buried at Rookwood Cemetery, Sydney (accd to Rookwood Cemetery CD: Thomas Godfrey died 19 Dec 1880) BUT i cant find any reference to his death in the BDM's. This is my last "line" of my family tree to research and that death certificate would be invaluable.. I would be very grateful if anyone could make a suggestion as to why he may not be in the BDM records. Many thanks Sue

Hi Liz and List It's a wonder we didn't bump into each other as I too visited (St. Stephens) Camperdown Cemetery this week while my dad was in RPAH. The whole of that inner western area of Sydney is now a cesspit. Leichhardt used to be a genteel suburb when my ancestors lived there in the early 1800's. Now every second shop and once lovely terrace house is a cafe or restaurant with tables and chairs littering the footpaths. Where do these people think they are, while they sip their latte's on bus stops? I could not bring myself to do it. Anyway I am pleased you found your ancestor. I had no such luck, and was also saddened at the state of this cemetery. I wrote down the name of the current pastor of the church but cannot find it. Mind you I haven't unpacked yet as I only arrived home a few hours ago. I was wondering where I might find a burial register for Camperdown Cemetery. Any help would be very much appreciated. Also does anyone know if there was some form of epidemic in 1849, as both my ancestor and his young bride both died in that year. Sadly the year they also married. He was 49 and she was 23. Regards Mary Cunningham -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-sydney-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-sydney-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Liz McCoy Sent: Friday, 10 November 2006 12:06 PM To: AUS-NSW-SYDNEY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ANS] Camperdown Cemetery Hi all, Thankyou to all who answered my query, a posting on another list about cemetery disgrace, resparked my wish to find out why? Camperdown Cemetery is in such a mess. When living in Sydney, I had a son buried in the old Anglican Section of Rookwood Cemetery, in his family plot that had been in Perpetual care for over 100 hundred years, at the time I new not much of the History of Rookwood,but imagined how peaceful it would have been when the old stone water courses were in action and not overgrown with weeds and the old rotten gazebos were new. I returned home to Norfolk Island and first started in my job here, with the KAVHA Restoration Team, Transcribing and restoring the Colonial Era Monuments in our Norfolk Island Cemetery. On visiting Sydney and Rookwood (now knowing its History) a few years ago, I was most impressed that Rookwood and its Serpentine, the Gazebos had all been restored, and excited to find many monuments for people that had once been residents of Norfolk Island. Whilst in Sydney this year with my father who was in RPAH, I took a stroll to visit the Camperdown Cemetery knowing its history, and also Knowing that not only my GG Grandfather Robert McPhail was buried there but also many people that had been to or born on Norfolk Island during first settlement, firstly you can imagine my excitement when Robert McPhails Monument was amongst the first that I looked at , still standing, but barely legible. I then strolled through the rest of the site finding monuments covered in Graffiti , knocked over and broken, the grass so long in areas that it was hard to tramp through or find monuments under it bee hives in Tombs, fallen trees, men sitting in the back corner drinking and smoking and yelling obscenities at passers by,the list goes on but ends with nothing but disgraceful. If the Church can not afford to take care of the site, should the Council not chip in and do something about it purely for its heritage?,...like the park next door that cannot be built on due to the fact it is on the original burial site. I will contact the church and see what options there are for this Historical site. Cheers all Liz Norfolk Island. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-SYDNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.1/527 - Release Date: 9/11/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.3/530 - Release Date: 11/11/2006

Hi everyone I am hoping someone has a connection to one of my direct lines, or even any info that could help me expand the family line. The information I do have is as follows - Richard LLOYD b in Wales? m 1848 Westmoreland, England to Isabella NEWBY. Isabella died 1906 at Randwick. Children are - Richard Dodd LLOYD b1853 Darling Point d1886 Randwick Alice I. LLOYD b1856 Paddington Ellen LLOYD b 4 Sep 1857 Darling Point d 25 Jan 1931 South Kensington (my line) John James LLOYD b 1858 Paddington I have found a possible death for Richard Snr, but a lot of information is missing from the certificate, so its not confirmed. It appears Richard Jnr remained single. The family immigrated abt 1853, but I have not been able to trace them as yet. Any connections would be wonderful Maria Thomas LAKE MUNMORAH, NSW

I am seeking anyone who is researching James Australia Hannam b 1842 at Menangle who married Margaret White nee Ryan in 1867. ..· ´¨¨)) -:¦:- ¸.·´ .·´¨¨)) ((¸¸.·´ ..·´ -:¦:- -:¦:- ((¸¸.·´*.` Jenny McCarthy Brightwaters N.S.W. on beautiful Lake Macquarie

Dear Ann, >From the Electoral Roll at you local Electoral Office you may find Les and Ron BARTON and work from there. It is on electronic screen state wide alphabetically and for public use. Interstate only available at Head Office in Campbell Street SYDNEY. Sincerely,Bill > Dear Listers, > > Would appreciate contact or information on the family of Vera Maud

Hi Steph Just need basic details of Joseph John Virgin b 1920 in Sth Aust. .....Mother ? Father ? Date and place of birth and siblings please if you can ?? Many thanks DotRob Qld ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephanie Cocks" <steph-ken@bigpond.com> To: <aus-nsw-sydney@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 4:17 AM Subject: Re: [ANS] south australia > Hi Dot, are you after lookups? Or where to purchase certs? > Steph. > > >>

Dear Listers, Would appreciate contact or information on the family of Vera Maud (nee Dart) and John Barton who married in Ashfield, NSW in 1945. Vera was John's second wife. Two children were born to John and Vera, (Mavis and Dulcie) who also became stepmother to Leslie, Joan and Ron Barton. Husbands of Mavis and Dulcie were Ray and Fred. Unfortunately no surnames in death notice. An compiling a family history into book form for family members. Ann

Hi Dot, are you after lookups? Or where to purchase certs? Steph. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dot Robertson" <andover41@ecn.net.au> To: <AUS-NSW-SYDNEY@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 3:04 PM Subject: [ANS] south australia > Hello Listers > Can anyone point me in the right direction to access > BDM South Australia ?? > please > Many thanks. > Dot > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-NSW-SYDNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.3/530 - Release Date: 11/11/2006

----- Original Message ----- From: "Dot Robertson" <andover41@ecn.net.au> To: <AUS-NSW-SYDNEY@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 3:34 PM Subject: [ANS] south australia > Hello Listers > Can anyone point me in the right direction to access > BDM South Australia ?? Hi Dot These records are not on line so will have to point you in the direction of your nearest Family History Society or larger local library Bye MargM Sydney List Admin

Can't give there help you want Robert but the address is Glebe Point Road ,Glebe. I know in the 60s it was a government girls home. I think it is now the Children's Court. If you google there is lots of info including a drawing and a photo at http://sydneyarchitecture.com/GLE/GLE12.htm Regards, Marie -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.3/530 - Release Date: 11/11/2006

Dear Robert, The NSW Archives has lots to say about Bidura in Glebe Point Rd. http://tinyurl.com/yhgt6b It has this to say about your time frame:................... By 1939 Bidura housed boys up to 6 years of age and girls up to 18 years, with an attached school operated by a governess. From 1945 appointments from other Institutions were made, and in 1954 the appointment of an Education Officer allowed the commencement of twice weekly evening classes............. Bidura operated as a receiving home where children were temporarily accommodated awaiting placement in foster homes or awaiting transfer to other establishments - in transit from foster homes to hospitals or other foster homes......... Historical Building note: It would seem that Bidura House in its garden setting, is the most intact early villa along Glebe Point Road. The house was designed, built, and occupied, by Edmund Blacket in 1858. The ballroom was added in the 1880´s Bidura historically seems to fall within the Leichhardt Municipality. Therefore the Leichhardt Library and Information Service is likely to have quite a reasonable collection of old photos. The Council's historic houses page is here: http://www.lmc.nsw.gov.au/libraries/07/1041822538_26177.html and also it's e-mail contact The overall development proposal for the area seems to fall under the City of Sydney administration. http://tinyurl.com/yajfle This page says.......................... Bidura House in its garden setting, is the most intact early villa along Glebe Point Road. The house was designed, built, and occupied, by Edmund Blacket in 1858. The ballroom was added in the 1880´s. The domestic character of Bidura and its garden should be retained and reused for residential or commercial offices, or a boutique hotel. A public or quasi-public use which allows the public enjoyment particularly of the front garden, would be desirable. In 1980 a large multi-levelled Remand Centre was built at the rear of the house. Its siting behind street frontages and its stepped form minimises its bulk and visibility from the surrounding streets. The Remand Centre is now obsolete. Being a substantial structure in good condition, it lends itself to adaptive reuse, such as for residential or commercial purposes, or a conference or educational centre. A picture of the house is here: http://tinyurl.com/ydwxyy as well as it's longtime resident ... the cat and here too: http://www.glebesociety.org.au/AboutTGSI/Heritage/Heritage.htm For more images go to: http://images.google.com.au/images?hl=en&q=bidura&btnG=Search+Images or http://tinyurl.com/ydngrx I think I can reasonably assume that details/records of children at Bidura circa 1945-46 will be an absolute no-no without court orders approving same. Cheers, Tony Moore (Balgo, Western Australia) @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ On 11 Nov 2006 at 21:30, KEMSLEY, Robert N. G. wrote: From: "KEMSLEY, Robert N. G." <rkemsley@idl.net.au> To: <aus-nsw-sydney@rootsweb.com> Date sent: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 21:30:41 +1100 Subject: Re: [ANS] "Bidura", Pint Road, Glebe Send reply to: aus-nsw-sydney@rootsweb.com > Could anyone please tell me what "Bidura" in Glebe was all about? > > I am very interested in the 1945-1946 period, perhaps the children > therein and if there are old photos of during that time ; more so the front > of the building? > > Kindest regards; > Robert KEMSLEY >

Hello Listers Can anyone point me in the right direction to access BDM South Australia ?? please Many thanks. Dot

Information please on Thomas Carew, Kiama 1870 also J.W.May, Windsor 1874 please. Peter Mooney 7yrs & Michael Mooney 4yrs, brothers, were admitted to "Randwick Asylum for Destitute Children" 24th July 1865 after their father died and mother was in goal. When they had both turned 13 yrs they were apprenticed out to the men, Carew & May. Peter was a carpenter on his marriage and death certs. so wonder if this would have been the trade of Tho.Carew that he was apprenticed to? There is no registered birth for Michael & Peter. I would appreciate help from anyone with an interest in these names please. Also on the same page is an Ellen Ledger admitted to "Randwich Asylum for Destitute Children" and a note "Sister to the three in the preceeding folio". She was "discharged in 1868 with her sisters and brothers"........ to anyone who may be in interested in this name. Thankyou sincerely Deirdre Mooney

Could anyone please tell me what "Bidura" in Glebe was all about? I am very interested in the 1945-1946 period, perhaps the children therein and if there are old photos of during that time ; more so the front of the building? Kindest regards; Robert KEMSLEY

Many Thanks Di am still learning to negotiate the net and am very grateful for any help along the way.. DotRob Qld. . Hi Dot, > > If you type "Charles Augustus Robertson" into Google several sites come up > including info on Lucy Akers etc. > > Cheers, > Di > > >> >>------------------------------- > > > ------------------------------- >

Dot, You're doing very well. When you type a name into Google put inverted commas around the name eg. "Dot Robertson". There's a lady named Patricia Horwood on the Rootsweb Port Jackson mailing list who is also connected to Charles and Lucy. Her email address is palmsoz@ozemail.com.au I don't know if it is still current but you can give it a try. Also, www.familysearch.org has Charles Augustus Robertson also. Hope this helps. Di >From: "Dot Robertson" <andover41@ecn.net.au> >Reply-To: aus-nsw-sydney@rootsweb.com >To: <aus-nsw-sydney@rootsweb.com> >Subject: Re: [ANS] Robertson >Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 20:40:33 -0800 > >Many Thanks Di >am still learning to negotiate the net and am very grateful for any help >along the way.. >DotRob Qld. > >. Hi Dot, > > > > If you type "Charles Augustus Robertson" into Google several sites come >up > > including info on Lucy Akers etc. > > > > Cheers, > > Di > > > > > >> > >>------------------------------- > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >AUS-NSW-SYDNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Advertisement: Fresh jobs daily. Stop waiting for the newspaper. Search now! www.seek.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Eseek%2Ecom%2Eau&_t=757263760&_r=Hotmail_EndText_Nov06&_m=EXT

Hi Dot, If you type "Charles Augustus Robertson" into Google several sites come up including info on Lucy Akers etc. Cheers, Di >From: "Dot Robertson" <andover41@ecn.net.au> >Reply-To: aus-nsw-sydney@rootsweb.com >To: <AUS-NSW-SYDNEY@rootsweb.com> >Subject: [ANS] Robertson >Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 18:36:08 -0800 > >Hello Listers >In traceing the Robertson clan I have >Eric Kendall....1895 Parramatta m Elsie Maude >his father>>William H m Elizabeth Sallaway cant find trace of her..... > >>>>>his father Charles Augustus m Lucy Akers 1863 >and his father Charles Augustus Robertson who married Charlotte Beasley >1839 >my problem is I don't know how to trace their births >as there is no sign of them on the bdm nsw.. >any advice or help ??? >with thanks!! >DotRob Qld > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >AUS-NSW-SYDNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Advertisement: Looking for a range of presents to suit every budget? Go to www.tradingpost.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Etradingpost%2Ecom%2Eau%2Fdefault%2Easpx%3Freferrer%3Dplace2&_t=758874129&_r=emailtagline_nov&_m=EXT

The Government Gazettes (major libraries and institutions) for 1858 and 1859 have many many lists of petitioners for and against the proposal of forming their local area into a municipality. A good way to locate ancestors in a locality. Buried amongst these were the appendices for the proposal for and against the formation of Randwick/Botany Council. Here you were given a voice even if you lived in a tent or worked in an asylum. Regards ...........Rusheen. Appendix No.1.: NON RESIDENTS. Joseph John WATTS, Prospect. James POWELL, Sydney. J.G.McKEAN, Sydney. Thomas MAY, Left his service. William CARRS, Sydney. Joseph LEE, left Pearce's service. Michael SULLIVAN, address not given. Jacob KOHAN, address not given. William BAINE, address not given. Joseph WEANAGAN, address not given. Appendix No.2: PERSONS OR SERVANTS LIVING IN TENTS OR HOUSES THE PROPERTY OF THEIR EMPLOYERS. John GRICE, W.Ellis' gardener. Ninian ROBB, lives in a tent. James HALL, lives in a tent. William RAY, board and wages. Frederick GODFREY, in a tent. William ENOCH, house-servant. Richard BAMBRY, Powell's man. Samuel GIBBS, Powell's drayman. John MASSEY, lodger in Randwick toll-bar house. Thomas HOWARD, board and wages. William NICHOLS, Bishop's gardener. John STACEY, house servant. Appendix No.3: SERVANTS AT ASYLUM. J.M.MAY; George BRADLEY; John SMITH. Appendix No. 4: SERVANTS TO CORPORATION. (One name I forgot to copy).

Hello Listers In traceing the Robertson clan I have Eric Kendall....1895 Parramatta m Elsie Maude his father>>William H m Elizabeth Sallaway cant find trace of her..... >>>>>his father Charles Augustus m Lucy Akers 1863 and his father Charles Augustus Robertson who married Charlotte Beasley 1839 my problem is I don't know how to trace their births as there is no sign of them on the bdm nsw.. any advice or help ??? with thanks!! DotRob Qld

Hi all, Thankyou to all who answered my query, a posting on another list about cemetery disgrace, resparked my wish to find out why? Camperdown Cemetery is in such a mess. When living in Sydney, I had a son buried in the old Anglican Section of Rookwood Cemetery, in his family plot that had been in Perpetual care for over 100 hundred years, at the time I new not much of the History of Rookwood,but imagined how peaceful it would have been when the old stone water courses were in action and not overgrown with weeds and the old rotten gazebos were new. I returned home to Norfolk Island and first started in my job here, with the KAVHA Restoration Team, Transcribing and restoring the Colonial Era Monuments in our Norfolk Island Cemetery. On visiting Sydney and Rookwood (now knowing its History) a few years ago, I was most impressed that Rookwood and its Serpentine, the Gazebos had all been restored, and excited to find many monuments for people that had once been residents of Norfolk Island. Whilst in Sydney this year with my father who was in RPAH, I took a stroll to visit the Camperdown Cemetery knowing its history, and also Knowing that not only my GG Grandfather Robert McPhail was buried there but also many people that had been to or born on Norfolk Island during first settlement, firstly you can imagine my excitement when Robert McPhails Monument was amongst the first that I looked at , still standing, but barely legible. I then strolled through the rest of the site finding monuments covered in Graffiti , knocked over and broken, the grass so long in areas that it was hard to tramp through or find monuments under it bee hives in Tombs, fallen trees, men sitting in the back corner drinking and smoking and yelling obscenities at passers by,the list goes on but ends with nothing but disgraceful. If the Church can not afford to take care of the site, should the Council not chip in and do something about it purely for its heritage?,...like the park next door that cannot be built on due to the fact it is on the original burial site. I will contact the church and see what options there are for this Historical site. Cheers all Liz Norfolk Island.