By the way Melissa ships travelling from Britain to Australia often stopped at the Cape of Good Hope at the bottom of Africa for provisions and with the support of the ships' surgeons wanting to avoid illness intrinsic in some of the longer voyages. Your Alexander may have been born during one of these stops. Cheers again June Saville ----- Original Message ----- From: "Melissa Skinner" <melisskinner@optusnet.com.au> To: "AUS-NSW-SYDNEY" <AUS-NSW-SYDNEY-L@rootsweb.com>; "AUS-NSW-SURNAMES" <AUS-NSW-SURNAMES-L@rootsweb.com>; "AUS-NSW" <AUS-NSW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 8:43 PM Subject: [ANS] Cape of Good Hope - Alexander Ross Hello List Recently I received the Marriage Cert for Alexander ROSS & Delia DUNK, they were married 1863 in Sydney. Alexander ROSS is recorded as being born at Cape of Good Hope. My husband think this is in South Africa, is he right? A couple years ago, another researcher gave me the info that he was born 5 Jan 1841, Sydney, with the parents Alexander ROSS & Caroline, the year, 1841 ties in with his age on the marriage cert. I have searched the NSW BDM's, there is a record V18411610 47/1841 ROSS ALEXANDER JAMES HANNAH, but clearly the parents are not the same. I am also not sure of a death date yet, I was hoping to verify his parents & birth, as there are heaps of Alexander ROSS' on the BDM's There is also 4 other children listed for Alexander & Caroline betw 1843 & 1853 Happy Hunting for 2007 Cheers Melissa CHAPMAN - Leicester Eng, CHILDS - Hampshire Eng & Australia, COLE - Kent/Sussex Eng & Australia, DUNK - Sussex Eng & Australia, GANNON - Roscommon Ireland & Australia, HOGARTH - Australia only, HOUGAARD - Denmark, HOOK - Huntingdon & Kent Eng & Australia, LANGTON - Leicester Eng & Australia, MONKTON/MONCKTON- Kent Eng & Australia, REILLY-Antrim Nthn Ireland & Australia, SKINNER - Kent Eng & Australia, TEGG - Surrey & London Eng & Australia -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.28/606 - Release Date: 28/12/2006 12:22 AM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-SYDNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.0/609 - Release Date: 29/12/2006 4:48 PM

Hello Melissa I am from the family of Alexander Ross of parents James and Hannah. I have my Alexander: 60/Vol. 139 Certificate 1841, Alexander born 19th February 1841, christened 7th April 1841 in the Parish of St. Laurence, County of Cumberland, NSW. Father James Ross, mother Hannah McLeod, of Lane Cove, North Shore. Farmer. Performed by James Fullerton, Presbyterian Church. Alexander's father was James John Randall MacKenzie Ross born October 25, 1811, my gggrandfather. Scottish christening records Ross and Cromarty Parish of Avoch, Page 5953 Batch film no. 7313706 Serial sheet 9, James John Randall MacKenzie son of James Ross/Henrietta McIver 4 July 1835 christened on the same day as his son of the same name. I am descended from another of James' sons, John Ross. James and Hannah had another son Alexander in 1839, who died: NSW Pioneers Index 1788 TO 1888, V183960 139. Sydney St Lawrences., NSW Pioneers Index 1788 TO 1888, Birth Alexander Ross parents James and Hannah V183960 139. Presbyterian, registered Sydney St Lawrences. Alexander Ross died in 1839 registered Sydney; Woolloomooloo no parish stated, no parents named V1839261 103 Presbyterian. Seems as though James and Hannah lost a child Alexander. They then had another child in 1841, named him Alexander. Alexander Ross parents James and Hannah V18411610 47 Presbyterian Sydney, St Lawrences. I'd be happy to talk with anyone with an interest. Cheers June ----- Original Message ----- From: "Melissa Skinner" <melisskinner@optusnet.com.au> To: "AUS-NSW-SYDNEY" <AUS-NSW-SYDNEY-L@rootsweb.com>; "AUS-NSW-SURNAMES" <AUS-NSW-SURNAMES-L@rootsweb.com>; "AUS-NSW" <AUS-NSW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 8:43 PM Subject: [ANS] Cape of Good Hope - Alexander Ross Hello List Recently I received the Marriage Cert for Alexander ROSS & Delia DUNK, they were married 1863 in Sydney. Alexander ROSS is recorded as being born at Cape of Good Hope. My husband think this is in South Africa, is he right? A couple years ago, another researcher gave me the info that he was born 5 Jan 1841, Sydney, with the parents Alexander ROSS & Caroline, the year, 1841 ties in with his age on the marriage cert. I have searched the NSW BDM's, there is a record V18411610 47/1841 ROSS ALEXANDER JAMES HANNAH, but clearly the parents are not the same. I am also not sure of a death date yet, I was hoping to verify his parents & birth, as there are heaps of Alexander ROSS' on the BDM's There is also 4 other children listed for Alexander & Caroline betw 1843 & 1853 Happy Hunting for 2007 Cheers Melissa CHAPMAN - Leicester Eng, CHILDS - Hampshire Eng & Australia, COLE - Kent/Sussex Eng & Australia, DUNK - Sussex Eng & Australia, GANNON - Roscommon Ireland & Australia, HOGARTH - Australia only, HOUGAARD - Denmark, HOOK - Huntingdon & Kent Eng & Australia, LANGTON - Leicester Eng & Australia, MONKTON/MONCKTON- Kent Eng & Australia, REILLY-Antrim Nthn Ireland & Australia, SKINNER - Kent Eng & Australia, TEGG - Surrey & London Eng & Australia -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.28/606 - Release Date: 28/12/2006 12:22 AM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-SYDNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.0/609 - Release Date: 29/12/2006 4:48 PM

Dear Melissa, A relative of my wife was born as the ship rounded the Cape of Good Hope, and I have not found a registration for her. Regards,Bill > > Hello List > > Recently I received the Marriage Cert for Alexander ROSS & Delia DUNK, > they the message

Hello List Recently I received the Marriage Cert for Alexander ROSS & Delia DUNK, they were married 1863 in Sydney. Alexander ROSS is recorded as being born at Cape of Good Hope. My husband think this is in South Africa, is he right? A couple years ago, another researcher gave me the info that he was born 5 Jan 1841, Sydney, with the parents Alexander ROSS & Caroline, the year, 1841 ties in with his age on the marriage cert. I have searched the NSW BDM's, there is a record V18411610 47/1841 ROSS ALEXANDER JAMES HANNAH, but clearly the parents are not the same. I am also not sure of a death date yet, I was hoping to verify his parents & birth, as there are heaps of Alexander ROSS' on the BDM's There is also 4 other children listed for Alexander & Caroline betw 1843 & 1853 Happy Hunting for 2007 Cheers Melissa CHAPMAN - Leicester Eng, CHILDS - Hampshire Eng & Australia, COLE - Kent/Sussex Eng & Australia, DUNK - Sussex Eng & Australia, GANNON - Roscommon Ireland & Australia, HOGARTH - Australia only, HOUGAARD - Denmark, HOOK - Huntingdon & Kent Eng & Australia, LANGTON - Leicester Eng & Australia, MONKTON/MONCKTON- Kent Eng & Australia, REILLY-Antrim Nthn Ireland & Australia, SKINNER - Kent Eng & Australia, TEGG - Surrey & London Eng & Australia -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.28/606 - Release Date: 28/12/2006 12:22 AM

Dear Patsy, If you look in the Australasian Genealogical Computer Index you may find something as that is an index of all types of things that have come across the desk at the Society of Australian Genealogists and 19 other societies in Australia and New Zealand. Contains over 3 million entries with a reference where to find the exact information. Sincerely,Bill > Hi Listers > > Does anyone know if those 'searching for someone' letters to the > newspapers have been indexed or anything?

Thanks MargaretB, Tumut is down in the Snowy Mountains Area and Portland and Lithgow are just over the Blue Mtns. My brother lives at Lidsdale near Lithgow. I did see the ones that you mention, thank you. There is a marriage record for a Herbert Bertram WARD in Leeton in 1951 and Leeton is in the Griffith area, further west from Tumut. I will await a reply from Tumut FHG and from the UK. Thanks again. Hilda >

Thanks Rob, Herbert is the only one I am desperate to find. His sister is 94 and lives in the UK and I am trying to find out what happened to him before it is 'too late'. I have sent off an email to Tumut FHG in the hope that they will respond. Although looking through BMD'S for NSW yet again......I have found a Herbert Bertram WARD married Olga Elizabeth GUY in Leeton in 1951. That's down that way. I thought it was rather strange that the family knew him as Herbert and then they were told that his name was Bertram and this guy is Herbert Bertram WARD. IF it was my Herbert it would mean that he would have been 45 when he married. Possible, I suppose. I am now waiting on instructions from the UK as to what they want me to do next. Hilda, Sydney.

Hi Hilda, No sign of WARD or FUDGE or MALONE in the book 'People and Progress' about the Tumut Shire 1887 to 1987.If you have anything else I can search the book for let me know Regards Rob Central Coast NSW

Hi Hilda Tumut Family History Group P.O. Box 238 Tumut NSW 2720 Have checked the Tumut Pioneer Cemetery and the Lone Graves Cemetery indexes for you and could not see a Ward. May be in the General section. or http://www.council.lithgow.com/cemetery.html WARD Albert Edward 9/12/1930 26 Portland Portion 3 A 08 Burial WARD J L 23/12/1929 Lithgow Anglican 1 11B 12 Burial WARD John Portland Portion 4 I 23 Burial WARD Joseph William 23/02/1929 74 Portland Portion 3 F 12 Burial WARD Joyce 7/10/1977 Lithgow Anglican 2 7A 65 Burial WARD Lucy Phyllis 13/04/1976 55 Portland Portion 10 L 09 Burial WARD M S 20/12/1929 Lithgow Anglican 1 11B 12 Burial WARD Peter C 15/06/1979 Lithgow Anglican 2 7A 65 Burial WARD William Albert 3/11/1937 56 Portland Portion 2 G 03 Burial or Portland Anglican Portion 3 A 08 WARD Albert Edward 9-Dec-1930 26 Portland Anglican Portion 4 I 23 WARD John Portland Anglican Portion 3 F 12 WARD Joseph William 23-Feb-1929 74 Portland Anglican Portion 10 L 09 WARD Lucy Phyllis 13-Apr-1976 55 Portland Anglican Portion 2 G 03 WARD William Albert 3-Nov-1937 56 OR http://www.rootsweb.com/~nswsdps/ausdw074.htm WARD,Bert 05MAY1984 82 Death late of Stanmore and Newtown 07MAY1984 WARD,Herbert 25MAY1985F Funl late of Grafton 24MAY1985 LNS WARD,Herbert Benjamin 15MAY1995 Death 17MAY1995 DT WARD,Herbert Frederick 24OCT1975 Death late of Mosman, formerly of North Bondi 25OCT1975 SMH WARD,Herbert James 09NOV1996 80 Death late of Bristol, England 11NOV1996 SMH WARD,Herbert James 27FEB1995P Death 27FEB1995 NMH WARD,Herbert James 28FEB1995F Funl late of Gulgong, formerly of Sandgate 28FEB1995 MUG WARD,Herbert Raymond (Hub) 11MAR1983 Death at Orange Base Hospital, late of Cudal 12MAR1983 SMH MargaretB Lake Macquarie NSW Australia

Thanks Marg, I live 15 minutes from Penrith Library. Hilda.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Hilda Cooper" <wynford@westnet.com.au> To: <aus-nsw-sydney@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 25, 2006 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [ANS] Herbert/Bertrum/Bertram Cameron WARD > Can anyone tell me how to bring up BMD's for the other > states of Australia > please. And to get into them to find Family History. > > I am OK with NSW and Tasmania. Hilda VIC BDMs are on line too , also on CD & fiche .......... I checked VIC marriages ( go to 1942) and deaths go to 1985 and no record found . Other States are not on line . Should think Penrith library would have these CDs or fiche Bye MargM Sydney List Admin

----- Original Message ----- From: "Hilda Cooper" <wynford@westnet.com.au> To: <aus-nsw-sydney@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 25, 2006 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [ANS] Herbert/Bertrum/Bertram Cameron WARD > Can anyone help me locate my cousin please. > > Herbert or maybe Bertrum/Bertram Cameron WARD b. 1906 > DORSET UK came to > Australia with Dr. Barnardo's Homes in 1922. > Last known address in 1930 :- > > C/- Mr. Malone, > Tumut Plains, > TUMUT. NSW. > Hilda Have a look at http://www.cooma.nsw.gov.au/monaropioneers/index.html Maybe some one on this site can help identify ' Mr Malone' Bye MargM Sydney List Admin

----- Original Message ----- From: "Patsy McMillan" <patsym@inet.net.nz> To: <AUS-NSW-SYDNEY@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 25, 2006 3:17 PM Subject: [ANS] 1920/30 'missing family' search > Hi Listers > > Does anyone know if those 'searching for someone' > letters to the > newspapers have been indexed or anything? Hi Patsy There is http://members.ozemail.com.au/~hdharris/missingpeople.html but that mostley VIC based. Not aware of any thing quite like it for NSW except the Police gazettes do some times list missing people > I am looking for one about the 1920/30's in Sydney area. > George Montague Smythe died in 1909 Cant find him in the NSW death indexes ?? Did he die interstate somewhere ?? Is a death of a Geo W M SMITH 1910 and a Geo M in 1916 only but from what I can gather his > family in England advertsied for his descendents around > about the 20's > or 30's We think it was his mothers' family that were > doing the > advertising and her name was Charlotte Rosewell POOLE > before her > marrriage to George Smyth. Probably was in the SMH but cant see how you could find it .?? The SMH has been indexed but locally there is a gap between 1914 to about 1928 Bye MargM Sydney List Admin

Can anyone tell me how to bring up BMD's for the other states of Australia please. And to get into them to find Family History. I am OK with NSW and Tasmania. Thanks in advance. Hilda Cooper. Sydney

Thank you Patricia, I only found out about this cousin through another cousin by marriage, Neil, in Poole, Dorset, UK a few days ago. Neil's wife's Nanna is Herbert's sister. She is now 94 and would like to find out what happened to her brother. After he was placed in Barnardo's in the UK, the family having known 'Herbert' as Bert or Herbert Cameron WARD, was then informed that Bertram/Bertrum Cameron WARD had been sent to Australia in 1922 on board the SS Ballarat. I am an ex Barnardo child myself and came here as a 12 year old in 1951 to 'help populate Australia or Australia would perish' as quoted by Mr. Jack Caldwell. At the age of 16 Herbert/Bertram/Bertrum would have been too old to be placed into an actual Children's Home (possibly Mowbray Park at Picton, NSW) as he would have been of workable age. He was possibly sponsored by the Malone's or a similar family on the land as a farm labourer. I have a set of 3 CD's (very generously GIVEN to me by a fellow Lister) and I have searched them every which-way with different arrangements of 'Bert's' names and have come up with nothing. No Marriage or Death Record for NSW that is. As he came here in 1922 and was in Tumut in 1930 I am now wondering if, maybe, he served during the WW2 and perhaps didn't make it. Or perhaps at a later date he moved to another State. Another possibility is that he changed his name for whatever reason. I know of 2 Barnardo Boys who adopted the surname of the people that they went to work for. So anything is possible. I know I am grasping at straws trying to find him but I would certainly like to make his sister, my 1st cousin, a happy old lady. I will certainly be writing to 'someone' in Tumut to try to trace 'Bert. Thanks again. HOPE YOU ARE ALL ENJOYING THE DAY. GOD BLESS. Hilda Cooper, Sydney

Hilda, Have you written, snail mail, to Tumut Plains? Perhaps someone on List can tell you how to contact the Tumut Local History Centre to see if Tumut Plains is still operating. My ancestor was a schoolmaster and we did have "Manar Station" at Braidwood as a birthplace for 2 of his children. I wrote to Manar Station requesting information and to my surprise the place was still in the same family and they did have records going back to 1858 so it did pay off. It is worth a try and only the cost of a stamp. Patricia, Australia Can anyone help me locate my cousin please. Herbert or maybe Bertrum/Bertram Cameron WARD b. 1906 DORSET UK came to Australia with Dr. Barnardo's Homes in 1922. Last known address in 1930 :- C/- Mr. Malone, Tumut Plains, TUMUT. NSW. Thank you in advance. Hilda Cooper, Sydney. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-SYDNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Listers Does anyone know if those 'searching for someone' letters to the newspapers have been indexed or anything? I am looking for one about the 1920/30's in Sydney area. George Montague Smythe died in 1909 but from what I can gather his family in England advertsied for his descendents around about the 20's or 30's We think it was his mothers' family that were doing the advertising and her name was Charlotte Rosewell POOLE before her marrriage to George Smyth. many thanks from over the ditch Merry Christmas too cheers Patsy

Can anyone help me locate my cousin please. Herbert or maybe Bertrum/Bertram Cameron WARD b. 1906 DORSET UK came to Australia with Dr. Barnardo's Homes in 1922. Last known address in 1930 :- C/- Mr. Malone, Tumut Plains, TUMUT. NSW. Thank you in advance. Hilda Cooper, Sydney.

Hi MargM, Many thanks for the Timeline site below. It will be of help when we are looking to order certificates etc. Very interesting. Best wishes to you and the ANS Listers Have a wonderful Christmas and a prosperous New Year. And I hope all your brickwalls fall down and you find many rellies. Cheers, Maureen (Melbourne) > > This is a very interesting time line > > http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/celebrate/timeline.swf > > Enjoy ! >

This is a very interesting time line http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/celebrate/timeline.swf Enjoy ! Wishing you all a wet Christmas Bye MargM List Admin Sydney, New England, Hunter Valley, Central Coast , Australia Aus-Usa lists