I have a burial in 1857 and 2 marriages, 1 underage but with mother's consent. The family was Presbyterian from Armagh. There is a more balanced & complete story of James Fullerton on Australian Dictionary of Biography Online: http://www.adb.online.anu.edu.au/biogs/A040249b.htm Sal

Thanks to all who offered information on James Fullerton and his marriage practices. As mentione dby others, the certificate contained little information about the couple, but I have been lucky enough to gather it from other sources. These two at least were both over 21 and the birth of their first child was a respectable time afterwards so I don't think it was a quicky wedding. The groom's family were however confirmed Presbyterians so it may have simply been a genuine case. Still on the subject of the Rev James, does anyone know if he performed burials? I have been unable to find a registration for the groom's father and wonder if the Rev's bad bookkeeping might be the cause? Thanks again for everyone's input. Jenny W [Brisbane] Switch to Yahoo!7 Mail: Transfer all your contacts and emails from Hotmail and other providers to Yahoo!7 Mail. http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/trueswitch_info.html

In 2000 Diane Armstrong posted a query on a Rootsweb Mailing List. I only found it in 2006 -could not contact her as email address no longer current. I would like to contact her as we have ancestors in common. Henry Arthur Baxter married Madeline Scard in Sydney 3.3.1876. They had 5 children - Henry Arthur, Ada Madeline, Edith May, Thomas J, William Henry. Henry Arthur Baxter married Ethel Rose Tatham 13.3.1901. Their children were Edith May (1901), Arthur TR born Balmain North, Gordon N, Henry A born Balmain South and Alfred C and Ethel M(1910) born Burwood. Edith May Baxter married Henry Young 16.3.1904. Their children were Henry James, Alexander Robert, Albert Arthur, Beryl May, Irene G and Gordon Frank. Diane Armstrong probably descended from Henry Arthur Baxter and Ethel Rose Tatham. I'm descended from Edith May Baxter and Henry Young. Perhaps someone out there knows Diane Armstrong or perhaps is descended from someone above. Regards Lyn Sydney

Hi Listers, I too have ,2, ancestors married by this gentleman. In 1858 and in 1881. There are few details on either certificate and so I contacted the Presbyterian and the Uniting Church Archives. I found that they operate together and that the Rev Fullerton was known to run a marriage shop with little regard to age or any other nicety. The reponse told me that perhaps the names and maybe the date were correct. Fullerton was apparently more than once in trouble for marrying under age girls. Peter Melbourne ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 09:15:20 +1000 (EST) From: Jenny W <lintywhite@yahoo.com> Subject: [ANS] Presbyterian Church, Elizabeth Street Sydney - 1872? To: aus-nsw-sydney@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <727357.19288.qm@web35608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I have a marriage certificate from 1872 that says the marriage took place in Elizabeth Street Sydney according to the rites of the Presbyterian Church. The officiating minister was James Fullerton. Could anyone tell me if there was a Presbyteraian church there in 1872 and if so what become of it? I can't seem to find one in that area now. Regards Jenny W [ Brisbane] Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com ****************

----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Tremaine" <jantrem@cats.net.au> To: <aus-nsw-sydney@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 12:51 PM Subject: [ANS] Mitchell Hi Janet >I am trying to find the death of Ivy Alice Mary Mitchell >daughter of Robert Robinson and Lillie May Potter the >last heard of Ivy was a death of her daughter Diana >Margaret Mitchell 1945 at Annandale. Ivey was married to >Ernest Henry Mitchell. He was a few years older than her ........ Looks like he died 1965/ 38379 , son of John, Newtown . Do you have copy of this doc ? No ref to eithers death in the Waverley or Rookwood CDs and not at ESMP either Ivy was b 1909 . So plus 3 score and 10 make for more than 1976 Did they have any other children ? > I do hope I am on the right listing for this question Cant see why not ! bye MargM Sydney List Admin

I am trying to find the death of Ivy Alice Mary Mitchell daughter of Robert Robinson and Lillie May Potter the last heard of Ivy was a death of her daughter Diana Margaret Mitchell 1945 at Annandale. Ivey was married to Ernest Henry Mitchell. Ivy was the sister of Eileen Harriett Robinson who married James Beaven This family originated around the Yass area I do hope I am on the right listing for this question Regards

Hi Gwen, I think they may have been Open Brethren. I asked my partner who was in the Exclusive Brethren at that time and in that area, and he did not know either of these names. He said it sounded more like Open than Exclusive. Louise ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gwen Burrows" <gbu07272@bigpond.net.au> To: <aus-nsw-sydney@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [ANS] Brethren Church > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jean Campbell" <hamcamp@ebtech.net> > To: <AUS-NSW-SYDNEY@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 4:15 AM > Subject: [ANS] Brethren Church > > > Jean, I rather suspect this might be the Exclusive Brethren. If so it may > be > hard to contact them, as they do not use most media ie TV radio newspapers > and I would assume computers. If you were to contact the local United > Church > they may know if their are any of the sect in the area and where they > meet. > Cheers Gwen >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.8/797 - Release Date: 10/05/2007 >> 5:10 PM >> >> > > Please consider you emails subject line . Is it meaningful ? > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-NSW-SYDNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Bill, In reply to your question re Family Tree Maker, I purchased the 2006 version from SAG so perhaps they may be able to help you. Family Tree Maker is an American programme and does not help with Australian messages for me but it is a very clear and helpful programme for recording research. I am unable to get out now to do any research as I have a bad knee and have booked to have a replacement. I have lots of records on my dad's family but although my grandparents were Irish and married after migrating to Aust. These were my mother's parents but I knew they settled in The Glebe area and died in the same place. You kindly sent me a record on my grandfather being a Cab Prop in Sydney in the 1800's. Unfortunately, I cannot find further information in Ireland although I have both sets of parents from a Marriage Cert. of both John Shannon married Catherine Keogh. He came from Cavan County and Catherine from County Wicklow. -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-sydney-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-sydney-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bill Shute Sent: Friday, 11 May 2007 8:01 AM To: aus-nsw-sydney@rootsweb.com Subject: [ANS] Family Tree Maker on www Good Morning List, Last night I had a call about Family Tree Maker on the net. After looking at it I have found information there is not correct. Is anyone on the list familiar with how to find the submitter of the information, or how it can be corrected? Sincerely,Bill Please consider you emails subject line . Is it meaningful ? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-SYDNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Campbell" <hamcamp@ebtech.net> To: <AUS-NSW-SYDNEY@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 4:15 AM Subject: [ANS] Brethren Church Jean, I rather suspect this might be the Exclusive Brethren. If so it may be hard to contact them, as they do not use most media ie TV radio newspapers and I would assume computers. If you were to contact the local United Church they may know if their are any of the sect in the area and where they meet. Cheers Gwen > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.8/797 - Release Date: 10/05/2007 > 5:10 PM > >

Hi Jean, My partner is telling me this sounds more like Open Brethren. He is not familiar with any of those names, and he was active in the EB in that area at the time. Louise ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Campbell" <hamcamp@ebtech.net> To: <AUS-NSW-SYDNEY@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 4:15 AM Subject: [ANS] Brethren Church > Hi: According to a death certificate Forbes Steele was of Brethren faith. > He lived in Fairfield West. The minister was H. Peden. This was in 1962. > Does anyone know which church this minister was at, and how to contact > them? > Thanks for your help. > Jean > Please consider you emails subject line . Is it meaningful ? > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-NSW-SYDNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Bill I have generally found a contact on the site where the tree is displayed.. Kaye www.bananatv.com/familytreechecklist.htm -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-sydney-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-sydney-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bill Shute Sent: Friday, 11 May 2007 8:01 AM To: aus-nsw-sydney@rootsweb.com Subject: [ANS] Family Tree Maker on www Good Morning List, Last night I had a call about Family Tree Maker on the net. After looking at it I have found information there is not correct. Is anyone on the list familiar with how to find the submitter of the information, or how it can be corrected? Sincerely,Bill Please consider you emails subject line . Is it meaningful ? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-SYDNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Jean, I can only speak here about Exclusive Bretheren. My partner is ex-Exclusive Bretheren, and will no doubt know something about this. He is in bed with a bad cold and I will ask him when he is suffiently awake. However, if it is Exclusive Bretheren, there is no one to contact. There is no church as such, just meeting houses, nor are there ministers in the Bretheren. You will find it quite hard to get any information except from people who have left. Having said that, because they mix only with themselves everyone knows everyone else and they travel extensively to other meetings all over the place. So the people who have left knew a wide variety of Bretheren. I will get back to you later this morning once he's up and about. Louise ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Campbell" <hamcamp@ebtech.net> To: <AUS-NSW-SYDNEY@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 4:15 AM Subject: [ANS] Brethren Church > Hi: According to a death certificate Forbes Steele was of Brethren faith. > He lived in Fairfield West. The minister was H. Peden. This was in 1962. > Does anyone know which church this minister was at, and how to contact > them? > Thanks for your help. > Jean > Please consider you emails subject line . Is it meaningful ? > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-NSW-SYDNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good Morning List, Last night I had a call about Family Tree Maker on the net. After looking at it I have found information there is not correct. Is anyone on the list familiar with how to find the submitter of the information, or how it can be corrected? Sincerely,Bill

Hi Jenny You're lucky that you were able to find the marriage certificate. I had no such luck - according to my grandmother's birth certificate (and her siblings also) her parents were married 3.3.1876 in Elizabeth St by Rev Dr James Fullerton - when I rang Prebyterian archives about this and mentioned James Fullerton, there was some hilarity from the gentleman I spoke to - he mentioned James Fullerton's notoriety - apparently did hundreds of marriages a year - asked few questions and was a bit "sloppy with the paper work" - the man I spoke to was not terribly surprised that I couldn't find a certificate! Googling him makes for interesting reading. Best wishes Lyn M (Sydney) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenny W" <lintywhite@yahoo.com> To: <aus-nsw-sydney@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 9:15 AM Subject: [ANS] Presbyterian Church, Elizabeth Street Sydney - 1872? >I have a marriage certificate from 1872 that says the > marriage took place in Elizabeth Street Sydney > according to the rites of the Presbyterian Church. The > officiating minister was James Fullerton. > > Could anyone tell me if there was a Presbyteraian > church there in 1872 and if so what become of it? I > can't seem to find one in that area now. > > Regards > > Jenny W [ Brisbane] > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com > Please consider you emails subject line . Is it meaningful ? > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-NSW-SYDNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

In Isadore Brodsky's "The Streets of Sydney" there is a chapter on Elizabeth Street - On the Sporting Side. Elizabeth Street can spring one of its greatest surprises midway between Bathurst and Liverpool Streets. In hotel premises that existed there before the Obelisk (Cleopatra's Needle) was built, a Gretna Green tradition formerly grew. During the residency of the Rev.Dr Fullerton in these premises, the building became "a favourite place for those who wanted to be married on the shortest notice." Regards ........Rusheen. I have a marriage certificate from 1872 that says the > marriage took place in Elizabeth Street Sydney > according to the rites of the Presbyterian Church. The > officiating minister was James Fullerton. > > Could anyone tell me if there was a Presbyteraian > church there in 1872 and if so what become of it? I > can't seem to find one in that area now. > > Regards > > Jenny W [ Brisbane]

Hi: According to a death certificate Forbes Steele was of Brethren faith. He lived in Fairfield West. The minister was H. Peden. This was in 1962. Does anyone know which church this minister was at, and how to contact them? Thanks for your help. Jean

Hi Jenny I am sure you will receive plenty of replies to your query. Dr James Fullerton operated a rather dodgy type of marriage centre at this church in Elizabeth Street. I also have a couple who were married by him. If you Google his name (search Australia) you will find entries for him which should answer your question. Also by searching Google Images with the same name you will find an image of this church. Good luck. Cheers Noel (Qld) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenny W" <lintywhite@yahoo.com> To: <aus-nsw-sydney@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 9:15 AM Subject: [ANS] Presbyterian Church, Elizabeth Street Sydney - 1872? >I have a marriage certificate from 1872 that says the > marriage took place in Elizabeth Street Sydney > according to the rites of the Presbyterian Church. The > officiating minister was James Fullerton. > > Could anyone tell me if there was a Presbyteraian > church there in 1872 and if so what become of it? I > can't seem to find one in that area now. > > Regards > > Jenny W [ Brisbane] > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com > Please consider you emails subject line . Is it meaningful ? > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-NSW-SYDNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi all Here is a link to getting started with research for church records in nsw. http://www.sl.nsw.gov.au/start/get-churchrecords.pdf Hope this helps Regards Mary Cunningham -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-sydney-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-sydney-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jenny W Sent: Thursday, 10 May 2007 9:15 AM To: aus-nsw-sydney@rootsweb.com Subject: [ANS] Presbyterian Church, Elizabeth Street Sydney - 1872? I have a marriage certificate from 1872 that says the marriage took place in Elizabeth Street Sydney according to the rites of the Presbyterian Church. The officiating minister was James Fullerton. Could anyone tell me if there was a Presbyteraian church there in 1872 and if so what become of it? I can't seem to find one in that area now. Regards Jenny W [ Brisbane] Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com Please consider you emails subject line . Is it meaningful ? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-SYDNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.6/794 - Release Date: 8/05/2007 2:23 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.6/795 - Release Date: 9/05/2007 3:07 PM

I have a marriage certificate from 1872 that says the marriage took place in Elizabeth Street Sydney according to the rites of the Presbyterian Church. The officiating minister was James Fullerton. Could anyone tell me if there was a Presbyteraian church there in 1872 and if so what become of it? I can't seem to find one in that area now. Regards Jenny W [ Brisbane] Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com

Thanks Royalene. I remember when witches britches came into fashion in the late 60's, my mother tried to get my grandmother into them. No way was Grandma having that. She liked those loose legs on the swamis. I have to tell you all, she actually wore 2 pairs at a time! Can you believe that! Louise ----- Original Message ----- From: "Royalene Anderson" <royalene@integritynet.com.au> To: <aus-nsw-sydney@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 8:39 PM Subject: Re: [ANS] Sorry gentlemen - ladies underwear topic > Hi All, > Swami was a fabric, very soft and comfortable, which came in pink, > white and occasionally in black. As well as underwear, I think you > could get nightdresses and pyjames, too. It was favoured by grandmas > for some reason. I had some as a child and hated it as the pants had > no elastic in the legs and the self trim bands stretched over time. Yuk! > > Regards, > Royalene, Wyong, N.S.W. > Please consider you emails subject line . Is it meaningful ? > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-NSW-SYDNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message