Faye Sheridan wrote: > Hi List > I would like to make contact with anyone researching the above couple > I have come to a dead end > NOt anough information to go forward Not enuff info in your message either, surely you can add some leads!! NSW 1934 No 9582 BYRNE, MARY E (-BENNETT) d at NEWTOWN THAT doc is available and will surely prove helpful! Bye, ALISTAIR

Hi Karl Thank you. I found the digitised records and they are very informative - also the naturalisation record of his father which gives a lot about him and his family I'm still looking for information about the man as a person - seems gentle and nature loving. Philippa At 09:59 AM 26/11/2010, you wrote: > >Hi Phillipa > >There are documents relating Lazarus Pura (a Taylor who died near Cradle >Mountain in 1949 described as a Russian Jew) available at the National

Hi List I would like to make contact with anyone researching the above couple I have come to a dead end NOt anough information to go forward They lived in the campderdown area of sydney, But even the early newspapers have not helped regards Faye

Hi Phillipa There are documents relating Lazarus Pura (a Taylor who died near Cradle Mountain in 1949 described as a Russian Jew) available at the National Archives. At least two document are available on line including his naturalization documents, and a document that seems to be some sort of security document that includes an extract from the SMH realting to his death. He was a member of the Communist Party. Just do a search on his name. Cheers Karl Bossard Canberra If you have received this transmission in error please notify us immediately by return e-mail and delete all copies. If this e-mail or any attachments have been sent to you in error, that error does not constitute waiver of any confidentiality, privilege or copyright in respect of information in the e-mail or attachments. Please consider the environment before printing this email.

Thanks Bill. I think a lot of illegal burials were due to families being too poor to afford a plot and to quickly take care of a sad event. Karen > Those papers obviously survived, not so much as an Inquest, but as a charge > relating to illegal burial. > Someone I know has been piecing together a lot of information relating to > cemeteries that have closed, and he has come across many illegal burials.

Dear Karen, Those papers obviously survived, not so much as an Inquest, but as a charge relating to illegal burial. Someone I know has been piecing together a lot of information relating to cemeteries that have closed, and he has come across many illegal burials. Sincerely, Bill > Thank you Bill, Sue, Alistair and Marg for your responses > > This inquest is listed in the index on the state archive website as > being 10 pages long for a female still-born child, Sydney. Possibly > about an illegal burial of the infant. > post any > reply...... Thank you! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you Bill, Sue, Alistair and Marg for your responses This inquest is listed in the index on the state archive website as being 10 pages long for a female still-born child, Sydney. Possibly about an illegal burial of the infant. I have checked with the State Library from whom I can obtain a copy; they say the images, [hand written entries] are poor quality. Even going so far as to say they could not confirm if the person I was looking for appeared on a give page. It is my guess that due to the poor quality that ancestry has not copied the images onto their website yet. Or if their source is like the Ark Kit film, finishes at 1822 despite it saying it including 1823, 1824 & 1828 inquests. I find it frustrating that ancestry advertise the date as being part of the collection they have but as Sue and Marg have confirmed there are no entries in their index for this year on their site. Thank you Sue and Marg for checking the index for me. Karen . > > I've just had a look on Ancestry, Karen, and it seems that they have nothing > at all for 1824. > > As 'Source Information' for this database they say: > "Ancestry.com. New South Wales, Australia, Registers of Coroners' Inquests, > 1796-1942 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc. > Original data: > So at first I thought there should be some records for 1824, but when I > tried browsing in their 1796-1824 batch of records, which you do by first > choosing a year, the given list of years stopped at 1822. > > Then I tried a different approach, searching the database for all inquests > in 1824 exactly, and it said there were none.  (Also said there were none > for 1823, but for 1822 there were 185.)

Thank you Mary, Leith and Marg. I now seem to be getting somewhere. I found NAA also has a naturalisation record of both him and his father, the latter very informative - and NSW BDM using the names I found as a guide has given me more. I can recommend naturalisation files as a very helpful source. Trove has yielded a lot now that I know to search for Lazarus not Laz. I'll follow up the other archive suggestions but hoped too to find out something about the man - other than the sort of detail in the ASIO type file. Probably most who remembered him are no longer alive but perhaps somewhere he has left a non official imprint. Philippa > > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > > reply...... Thank you! > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > >-- >Kind regards > >Mary Cunningham > >Core Developments NQ Pty Ltd >PO Box 3761 >Hermit Park Qld 4812 > >P 07 4772 6026 >F 07 4772 6027 >E [email protected] >Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any >reply...... Thank you! > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

----- Original Message ----- From: "Philippa Scarlett" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2010 1:23 PM Subject: [ANS] Laz Pura Sydney bushwalker 1940s > Dear List > > I am trying to find information about Laz Pura whose name has come up > in my grandmother's correspondence. > > I have done some internet searching and found he was a Russian living > in Sydney and a bespoke tailor. He was a nature lover and bush walker > and died in 1949 on a mountain in Tasmania. Hi Phillipa On Cradle Mountain no less . Are a couple of interesting naturalisation and what looks to be an ASIO file in the NAA name search and some refs to other PURAs in Ryerson . Doesnt appear to have married. He left a will # 352657. So should be a probate packet and deceased estate file out at State Records, Kingswood The CPA might have historical archives ? Bye MargM Sydney List Admin

what about searching Trove, including the online newspapers, at NLA? Leith Davis On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 1:23 PM, Philippa Scarlett <[email protected] > wrote: > Dear List > > I am trying to find information about Laz Pura whose name has come up > in my grandmother's correspondence. > > I have done some internet searching and found he was a Russian living > in Sydney and a bespoke tailor. He was a nature lover and bush walker > and died in 1949 on a mountain in Tasmania. > > Any additional details or suggestions would be appreciated. > > Philippa Scarlett > > > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi List As he died while climbing Cradle Mountain in Tasmania, should Phillipa also give The Archives Office of Tasmania a go? Or The Launceston Examiner? Mary > > Hi Phillipa > > On Cradle Mountain no less . Are a couple of interesting naturalisation > and what looks to be an ASIO file in the NAA name search and some refs to > other PURAs in Ryerson . Doesnt appear to have married. He left a will # > 352657. So should be a probate packet and deceased estate file out at > State > Records, Kingswood > > The CPA might have historical archives ? > > > Bye > > MargM > Sydney List Admin > > > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Kind regards Mary Cunningham Core Developments NQ Pty Ltd PO Box 3761 Hermit Park Qld 4812 P 07 4772 6026 F 07 4772 6027 E [email protected]

Dear List I am trying to find information about Laz Pura whose name has come up in my grandmother's correspondence. I have done some internet searching and found he was a Russian living in Sydney and a bespoke tailor. He was a nature lover and bush walker and died in 1949 on a mountain in Tasmania. Any additional details or suggestions would be appreciated. Philippa Scarlett

Sorry DM Pura is listed On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Philippa Scarlett < [email protected]> wrote: > Dear List > > I am trying to find information about Laz Pura whose name has come up > in my grandmother's correspondence. > > > Philippa Scarlett > > Kind regards Mary Cunningham Core Developments NQ Pty Ltd PO Box 3761 Hermit Park Qld 4812 P 07 4772 6026 F 07 4772 6027 E [email protected]

----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Hodges" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 10:14 PM Subject: [ANS] Inquest Hutton 1824 >I have been trying to find the details of a inquest from 17 April 1824 > Sydney for a still born female child; parents I believe were Sarah > and Edward Hutton with witnesses Mary Bevett and Esther Dalton. > > I have just read that ancestry has added inquest records 1796-1942 for > NSW; just wondering if the above inquested is listed please in the > index? > Hi Karen I cant find it ................ Am a bit mystified as to how these records were indexed. What you see are scans of the filmed index ledgers ,same as what is on the films . If you type in 1824 only as date of inquest ,458 refs come up but not for 1824........ These all seem to to be for 1822 and before that year ! If you type in say 1824 only as year of death , 60 refs come up but are all for 1822 . Nothing comes up for HUDSON as early as 1824 Looks like what you already have is all there is bye MargM Sydney List Admin

Philippa There is a DA Pura, currently living in Cammeray in Sydney, listed in the online white pages phone directory. Have you tried a free search of the online NSW BDM Index? Mary On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Philippa Scarlett < [email protected]> wrote: > Dear List > > I am trying to find information about Laz Pura whose name has come up > in my grandmother's correspondence. > > Kind regards Mary Cunningham Core Developments NQ Pty Ltd PO Box 3761 Hermit Park Qld 4812 P 07 4772 6026 F 07 4772 6027 E [email protected]velopments.com.au

Hello List, does anyone have Eileen Ryan and Arthur Hudson who married in 1923 in Sydney in their family tree? Regards Max Bancroft

Dear Karen and Sue, I apologise for not adding that any death is tragic in most families, particularly that of a child. The record that is/maybe available is a one line entry in a book, which has been microfilmed and is part of the Archives Rescources Kit, which can be found at many larges libraries. A separate Archives in Brief lists which ones. Every Coroner throughout the State submits details of Inquests held to the City Coroner. He causes a one line entry in the above book, so on one page there maybe an Inquest at Bourke, the next at Ballina, and the next at Batemans Bay, or one in the city, then a suburban one. I do not recall when that book started to become a record, but it is probably in Archives in Brief No. 4. The details relate to where and when the Inquest was held, and on whom, along with details as to whether there was a Post Mortem examination of the body, and the details of the Doctor performing same. Later Death Registrations carried details of the finding of the Coroner, recorded on the certifcate. Any Death where the exact cause is not known is usually the subject of a report to the Coroner, who decides if there will be the necessity for an Inquest, however back in those times, it may well be that an Inquest was held on all. There could also be a couple of lines in the newspaper. Sincerely, Bill >> inquest from 17 April 1824 Sydney for a still born female child; >> parents I believe were Sarah and Edward Hutton with witnesses Mary Bevett > and Esther Dalton. > > I've just had a look on Ancestry, Karen, and it seems that they have > nothing > at all for 1824. >

Bill wrote for Karen: > In reality for a still born child there would have been little "paper > work", when comparing an Inquest for some form of accident in a public place > where there were possibly many witnesses. Such an extremely distressing event for the mother. And on occasions, the outcome miserable, distasteful. Burial of the infant, or miscarried foetus, on rare occasions may be done in the back garden.... I know of cases. The Duty of the Registrar is to register INFORMATION GIVEN. He does not warrant the accuracy of info given. If parents of a still born infant keep that knowledge private, then that is one benefit of 'democracy' The TV series NEW TRICKS wherein a retired police officer frequently "talks" to his deceased wife in his own back garden, illustrates an aspect of Privacy. Bye, ALISTAIR >> I have been trying to find the details of a inquest from 17 April 1824 >> Sydney for a still born female child; parents I believe were Sarah >> and Edward Hutton with witnesses Mary Bevett and Esther Dalton.

Dear Karen, Files relating to Inquests in that era have "not survived" in the main. Inquests, which became Murder Charges "may" be still in existance. Papers that have survived are held by State Records, Kingswood, and the help sheet, Archives in Brief No. 4 will be found on their website www.records.nsw.gov.au by using that word in their alphabetical index. In reality for a still born child there would have been little "paper work", when comparing an Inquest for some form of accident in a public place where there were possibly many witnesses. Sincerely, Bill > I have been trying to find the details of a inquest from 17 April 1824 > Sydney for a still born female child; parents I believe were Sarah > and Edward Hutton with witnesses Mary Bevett and Esther Dalton. >

> inquest from 17 April 1824 Sydney for a still born female child; > parents I believe were Sarah and Edward Hutton with witnesses Mary Bevett and Esther Dalton. I've just had a look on Ancestry, Karen, and it seems that they have nothing at all for 1824. As 'Source Information' for this database they say: "Ancestry.com. New South Wales, Australia, Registers of Coroners' Inquests, 1796-1942 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc. Original data: Registers of Coroners' Inquests and Magisterial Inquiries, 1834-1942 (microfilm, NRS 343, rolls 2921-2925, 2225, 2763-2769). State Records Authority of New South Wales, Kingswood, New South Wales, Australia. Sydney City Coroner: Registers of Inquests and Inquiries, 1862-1926 (microfilm, NRS 1783, rolls 1391-1396). State Records Authority of New South Wales, Kingswood, New South Wales, Australia. Reports of Inquests, 1796-1824 (microfilm, NRS 2232, rolls 2232, 2233). State Records Authority of New South Wales, Kingswood, New South Wales, Australia. C The Crown in right of the State of New South Wales and is used under licence with the permission of the State Records Authority. The State of New South Wales gives no warranty regarding the data's accuracy, completeness, currency or suitability for any particular purpose." So at first I thought there should be some records for 1824, but when I tried browsing in their 1796-1824 batch of records, which you do by first choosing a year, the given list of years stopped at 1822. Then I tried a different approach, searching the database for all inquests in 1824 exactly, and it said there were none. (Also said there were none for 1823, but for 1822 there were 185.) There is just one other slight chance of finding this inquest on Ancestry, as in the 'Browse' list of years for the 1796-1824 batch, there's a category 'Year not stated'. But unfortunately Ancestry won't let me look at that, as there's a bug in their program that prevents people with a 'UK Heritage' subscription to ancestry.com.au actually seeing more than the top level of information - for example I can see the 185 names for 1822, but no more than that. They tell me that they are working on resolving the issue, but they don't know when they will actually fix it. However, I believe this is not a problem for people with one of the other types of subscription - maybe someone else can check that last chance for you. Sorry I couldn't be more positive. Sue