Thanks Max I am just not sure where this school was but know only its name was simply Elderslie I had thought it was near Randwick but am not sure Have not heard of my grand mother's family living near Camden or Narellan - but you never know. Philippa At 08:34 PM 30/11/2010, you wrote: > >Hello Phillips, if you are referring to Elderslie in NSW, > it is in between Camden and Narellan. >Regards >Max Bancroft > > > >-------Original Message------- > >From: Philippa Scarlett >Date: 11/30/10 18:49:22 >To: [email protected] >Subject: [ANS] Elderslie and Brighton College schools 1880s and 90s > >Dear List > >Old book prizes show that one of my grandmothers then May Service >Born 1880 went to a school called Elderslie and then Brightpn >College.Randwick . Her family lived in Carrington Road Randwick -. I >Am looking for information about both schools but particularly >Elderslie. Whose location I don't know but the prize from Elderslie >Was awarded in 1890 by Mr and Mrs Wilson. > >Can anyone help with information? > >Philippa Scarlett > > >Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any >Reply...... Thank you! > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any >reply...... Thank you! > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Lyn, I found a death this morning in the Lithgow Mercury which may well fit too. Regards, Bill > Thanks, Bill - always there to help! > Regards

Hello Phillips, if you are referring to Elderslie in NSW, it is in between Camden and Narellan. Regards Max Bancroft -------Original Message------- From: Philippa Scarlett Date: 11/30/10 18:49:22 To: [email protected] Subject: [ANS] Elderslie and Brighton College schools 1880s and 90s Dear List Old book prizes show that one of my grandmothers then May Service Born 1880 went to a school called Elderslie and then Brightpn College.Randwick . Her family lived in Carrington Road Randwick -. I Am looking for information about both schools but particularly Elderslie. Whose location I don't know but the prize from Elderslie Was awarded in 1890 by Mr and Mrs Wilson. Can anyone help with information? Philippa Scarlett Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any Reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Lyn, Happy to help. :) I thought this looked like Lillian's death... GAYMER Lilian Mary (Lil) Death notice 08 FEB 1999 Death late of Harrington, formerly of Lithgow Lithgow Mercury 09 FEB 1999 Kind regards, Sherrie. On Tue, 30 Nov 2010 17:55:17 +1100, Lyn Mealey <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi again > > Thanks to you Sherrie, I have found both Edward Adrian and Edward Robert > GAYMER in Ryerson. no Lillian - maybe she is still alive. > > Regards > Lyn > -- http://www.silkweb.com.au/

Dear List Old book prizes show that one of my grandmothers then May Service born 1880 went to a school called Elderslie and then Brightpn College.Randwick . Her family lived in Carrington Road Randwick -. I am looking for information about both schools but particularly Elderslie. whose location I don't know but the prize from Elderslie was awarded in 1890 by Mr and Mrs Wilson. Can anyone help with information? Philippa Scarlett

Hi again Thanks to you Sherrie, I have found both Edward Adrian and Edward Robert GAYMER in Ryerson. no Lillian - maybe she is still alive. Regards Lyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sherrie Blackman" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 10:48 PM Subject: Re: [ANS] Birth Lookup GAYNER Edward Adrian > Hi Lyn, > > There is a Edward A GAYNER b.1912 rego.34307 Rockdale. > > Parents: Edward R & Ruby E GAYNER > > > I notice your Edward married Lillian Mary BARKER in 1938 Lithgow, NSW. > > However in the Electoral Rolls, Edward's surname is recorded as 'GAYMER' > for a few years in Lithgow & Orange. > > Edward & Ruby's marriage... > > 13301/1911 - GAYMER EDWARD R & DWYER RUBY E - HURSTVILLE > > Other children... > > 2. Marjorie W GAYMER in 1914 rego.15363 Rockdale > 3. Dorothy I GAYMER 1917 rego.15872 Rockdale > > These appear to be the Parent's deaths... > > 36293/1968 - GAYMER EDWARD ROBERT - WILLIAM & LOUISA - ORANGE > 25927/1970 - GAYMER RUBY ELIZA - ALFRED & LOUISA - LITHGOW > > > Kind regards, > Sherrie. > ---

Hi Sherrie Thank you (once again) for your help - Edward's birth details and for the other info. I'll have to do some searching on 'Gaymer' - cannot at this point find Lillian or Edward A's deaths in BDM or Ryerson. This is a new line of research for me - don't know why I've not done it before as Lillian is my first mother's first cousin (although when I mentioned her name to Mum a few years back, Mum had no recollection of her). Regards Lyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sherrie Blackman" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 10:48 PM Subject: Re: [ANS] Birth Lookup GAYNER Edward Adrian > Hi Lyn, > > There is a Edward A GAYNER b.1912 rego.34307 Rockdale. > > Parents: Edward R & Ruby E GAYNER > > > I notice your Edward married Lillian Mary BARKER in 1938 Lithgow, NSW. > > However in the Electoral Rolls, Edward's surname is recorded as 'GAYMER' > for a few years in Lithgow & Orange. > > Edward & Ruby's marriage... > > 13301/1911 - GAYMER EDWARD R & DWYER RUBY E - HURSTVILLE > > Other children... > > 2. Marjorie W GAYMER in 1914 rego.15363 Rockdale > 3. Dorothy I GAYMER 1917 rego.15872 Rockdale > > These appear to be the Parent's deaths... > > 36293/1968 - GAYMER EDWARD ROBERT - WILLIAM & LOUISA - ORANGE > 25927/1970 - GAYMER RUBY ELIZA - ALFRED & LOUISA - LITHGOW > > > Kind regards, > Sherrie. > --- > http://www.silkweb.com.au/ > > > On Mon, 29 Nov 2010 20:44:40 +1100, Lyn Mealey <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Hi >> >> Would SKS with births after 1909 please look for a birth of Edward >> Adrian GAYNER - don't know parents >> >> Thanks >> Lyn >> Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any >> reply...... Thank you! >> >> > > -- > > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks, Bill - always there to help! Regards Lyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 10:40 PM Subject: Re: [ANS] Birth Lookup GAYNER Edward Adrian > Dear Lyn, > > Edward R and Ruby were the parents, registered Rockdale 1912. > > Regards, Bill > >> >> Would SKS with births after 1909 please look for a birth of Edward Adrian >> GAYNER - don't know parents >> > > > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Lyn, There is a Edward A GAYNER b.1912 rego.34307 Rockdale. Parents: Edward R & Ruby E GAYNER I notice your Edward married Lillian Mary BARKER in 1938 Lithgow, NSW. However in the Electoral Rolls, Edward's surname is recorded as 'GAYMER' for a few years in Lithgow & Orange. Edward & Ruby's marriage... 13301/1911 - GAYMER EDWARD R & DWYER RUBY E - HURSTVILLE Other children... 2. Marjorie W GAYMER in 1914 rego.15363 Rockdale 3. Dorothy I GAYMER 1917 rego.15872 Rockdale These appear to be the Parent's deaths... 36293/1968 - GAYMER EDWARD ROBERT - WILLIAM & LOUISA - ORANGE 25927/1970 - GAYMER RUBY ELIZA - ALFRED & LOUISA - LITHGOW Kind regards, Sherrie. --- http://www.silkweb.com.au/ On Mon, 29 Nov 2010 20:44:40 +1100, Lyn Mealey <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi > > Would SKS with births after 1909 please look for a birth of Edward > Adrian GAYNER - don't know parents > > Thanks > Lyn > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > --

Dear Lyn, Edward R and Ruby were the parents, registered Rockdale 1912. Regards, Bill > > Would SKS with births after 1909 please look for a birth of Edward Adrian > GAYNER - don't know parents >

Dear Laraine, With marriages I found that two entries often occurred, one with the "R". One entry was the maiden name and the second the first married name. Regards, Bill > Hi Laraine, > > Usually R is for a Cross Reference. > > The most common situation that comes to mind is the birth of a child, born > out of wedlock. > > For instance 'Jane Smith' born in 1888 with rego.11223 & rego.11223 R. >

Hi Laraine, Usually R is for a Cross Reference. The most common situation that comes to mind is the birth of a child, born out of wedlock. For instance 'Jane Smith' born in 1888 with rego.11223 & rego.11223 R. If you're lucky then 2nd Reference will have the child registered under the Father's name 'Brown'. Or sometimes it's just a simple case of being registered under McDonald & Macdonald. Do you mean the Death certificate does not mention the other name? The Death Certificate information is only as good as the Informant's knowledge, who is giving the information about the deceased. Perhaps they knew the person was born under another name? Kind regards, Sherrie. --- http://www.silkweb.com.au/ On Mon, 29 Nov 2010 20:01:15 +1100, K & L Goodworth <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi fellow listers, > > I purchased a death cert for rellie in 1991 so must have been off the > microfiche data base. A family member has just told me that there are two > entries on the BDM website for same person with different surnames. I > have had a look at the cdrom and found that the entry with the surname > that I > have the cert for has an additional column with Prefix - R. The > certificate that I have does not mention the other surname so does > anyone have any ideas of how Birth deaths & marriagaes know about it. > > Thank you in anticipation. > > Laraine > > > --

Hi Would SKS with births after 1909 please look for a birth of Edward Adrian GAYNER - don't know parents Thanks Lyn

Hi fellow listers, I purchased a death cert for rellie in 1991 so must have been off the microfiche data base. A family member has just told me that there are two entries on the BDM website for same person with different surnames. I have had a look at the cdrom and found that the entry with the surname that I have the cert for has an additional column with Prefix - R. The certificate that I have does not mention the other surname so does anyone have any ideas of how Birth deaths & marriagaes know about it. Thank you in anticipation. Laraine

Dear Bill, Thank you for your response to my email. Sorry about the date - it should read 1960-1970. Looks as though I am out of luck, however it will be worth a try. Kind regards, Joan. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2010 5:13 PM Subject: Re: [ANS] Fw: Badge > Dear Joan, > > One figure is missing in your dates, and if I take it as 1896-1870 then > you > may find some records for Gladesville Hospital at State Records, > KINGSWOOD. > > Alchololism was considered, probably still is as a mental disorder and > chronic alcholics were treated in Mental Hospital, Gladesville Hospital > being one of them. > > On www.records.nsw.gov.au there is an Archives in Brief (Help Sheet) on > Mental Hospitals which will help you to find records relating to > Admissions > to them. > > There is a 120 year restriction on viewing these records, so you may have > to > get permission from the Health Department to do so. Permission is granted > on > the basis that you prove your direct relationship to the person admitted. > > Should you be asking about 1960-1970 then possibly you will not be able to > view any records that are available. > > Sincerely, Bill > >> >> I have come across a small 'badge' with "TREMBLE-KING-ALCOHOL + We shall >> grow up+ >> L.T.L. " with a person carrying a white cross in front of a red flag with >> the Union Jack in the left hand corner. I am presuming it has something >> to do with an association like Alcoholics Anonymous as I believe the >> owner >> had been admitted to Gladesville Hospital c. 196-70 with an alcohol >> problem. Could someone help me discover what this represents, please? > > > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you Gary this will be great - people on the list ahve really helped me in my quest Philippa >_________________________________ >Gary Luke ~ [email protected] >Sydney, Australia > >Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any >reply...... Thank you! > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

At 09:59 AM 26/11/2010, you wrote: Phillipa I missed your query and only noticed this reply from Karl. If you want to research his origins you could contact the Australian Jewish Genealogical Society - www.ajgs.org.au. There's a few burials in the Jewish section of Rookwood with the same surname - www.jctrust.com.au - Ephraim & Sarah Pura, and Annie. Gary ================================ >Hi Phillipa > >There are documents relating Lazarus Pura (a Taylor who died near Cradle >Mountain in 1949 described as a Russian Jew) available at the National >Archives. >Cheers >Karl Bossard >Canberra _________________________________ Gary Luke ~ [email protected] Sydney, Australia

Dear Joan, Here is some reading about the " Loyal Temperance Legion" - L.T.L. which should answer your questions http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loyal_Temperance_Legion The Loyal Temperance Legion was the children's branch of the Woman's Christian Temperance Union. Its slogan was "Tremble, King Alcohol, We Shall Grow Up". It published an English-language newspaper for children called The Young Crusader, which was edited for some time by WCTU president Anna Adams Gordon, a strong believer in the need to interest children in temperance at a very early age http://tinyurl.com/2c3l7z4 http://tinyurl.com/28qctnv Page 32 of Judith Ann Pettingell (2008) PhD thesis at Sydney University : http://ses.library.usyd.edu.au/bitstream/2123/4150/1/ja-pettingell-2008- thesis.pdf http://www.nzine.co.nz/views/guinz-cyril.html Referred to as "Taking the pledge" as a person born new zealand 1912. See under heading "Sundays and Religion" Cheers, Tony Moore (Castle Hill, NSW) @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ On 27 Nov 2010 at 16:18, Norm & Joan Colmer wrote: From: "Norm & Joan Colmer" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Date sent: Sat, 27 Nov 2010 16:18:03 +1100 Subject: [ANS] Fw: Badge Send reply to: [email protected] > > Good afternoon, > > I have come across a small 'badge' with "TREMBLE-KING-ALCOHOL + We shall grow up+ > L.T.L. " with a person carrying a white cross in front of a red flag with the Union Jack in the left hand corner. I am presuming it has something to do with an association like Alcoholics Anonymous as I believe the owner had been admitted to Gladesville Hospital c. 196-70 with an alcohol problem. Could someone help me discover what this represents, please? > > Regards, Joan. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.872 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3282 - Release Date: 11/27/10 06:34:00

Dear Joan, One figure is missing in your dates, and if I take it as 1896-1870 then you may find some records for Gladesville Hospital at State Records, KINGSWOOD. Alchololism was considered, probably still is as a mental disorder and chronic alcholics were treated in Mental Hospital, Gladesville Hospital being one of them. On www.records.nsw.gov.au there is an Archives in Brief (Help Sheet) on Mental Hospitals which will help you to find records relating to Admissions to them. There is a 120 year restriction on viewing these records, so you may have to get permission from the Health Department to do so. Permission is granted on the basis that you prove your direct relationship to the person admitted. Should you be asking about 1960-1970 then possibly you will not be able to view any records that are available. Sincerely, Bill > > I have come across a small 'badge' with "TREMBLE-KING-ALCOHOL + We shall > grow up+ > L.T.L. " with a person carrying a white cross in front of a red flag with > the Union Jack in the left hand corner. I am presuming it has something > to do with an association like Alcoholics Anonymous as I believe the owner > had been admitted to Gladesville Hospital c. 196-70 with an alcohol > problem. Could someone help me discover what this represents, please?

Good afternoon, I have come across a small 'badge' with "TREMBLE-KING-ALCOHOL + We shall grow up+ L.T.L. " with a person carrying a white cross in front of a red flag with the Union Jack in the left hand corner. I am presuming it has something to do with an association like Alcoholics Anonymous as I believe the owner had been admitted to Gladesville Hospital c. 196-70 with an alcohol problem. Could someone help me discover what this represents, please? Regards, Joan.