Thanks Peter, Sue, Llew , Karl, Bill and Lorette for all these leads and comments! Lorettte I've copied the details of prizes you asked for below. Can you tell me where you found the information in your email? Philippa PS May Service is not the grandmother friend of Laz Pura I asked about in November and received such help with from the List The silver medal I have is engraved. I know it was for music. Brighton College Intermediate Honors [NB spelled without 'u'] To May Service 1895 J.M.S. the reverse says Gloria in excelsis Deo The other prizes are Brighton College Randwick First Prizes: General Excellence May Service Christmas 1893 J M Smith, Principal Non Schole Sed Vitae Discimus General Improvement Awarded to May Service by Mr and Mrs Wilson Elderslie Christmas 1890 At 02:00 PM 3/12/2010, you wrote: > could you list the dates the book prizes were given and which > school gave these it could help in locating the other school > "Elderslie" that you are looking for. >as you can see I found that May Service won a Medal in November >1890 at Brighton College yet you have a prize dated 1890 for >Elderslie? this could be a change of school for her in this year. >

Brighton College  Randwick 1887 20 Mear's Avenue Randwick  Principle Mr T Smith 1888  Alison Road Randwick 1890  November.  May Service won a Medal (looks like for Music)   this at Brighton College 1890  Mrs J M Meister Smith Principle   could you list the dates the book prizes were given and which school gave these it could help in locating the other school "Elderslie" that you are looking for. as you can see I  found that May Service won a  Medal in November 1890 at Brighton College yet you have a  prize dated 1890 for Elderslie?   this could be a change of school for her in this year.   Lorette   To: [email protected] Subject: [ANS] Elderslie and Brighton College schools 1880s and 90s Old book prizes show that one of my grandmothers then May Service Born 1880 went to a school called Elderslie and then Brightpn College.Randwick . Her family lived in Carrington Road Randwick -. I Am looking for information about both schools but particularly Elderslie. Whose location I don't know but the prize from Elderslie Was awarded in 1890 by Mr and Mrs Wilson. Philippa Scarlett

The 'Camden' suburb of Elderslie is named after the property Ellerslie (or Elderslie) which was a land grant to surveyor John Oxley about 1816 (see http://www.macarthur.gdayneighbour.com.au/CamdenSuburbHistories.htm) just across the Nepean from Camden. Cheers KarlB If you have received this transmission in error please notify us immediately by return e-mail and delete all copies. If this e-mail or any attachments have been sent to you in error, that error does not constitute waiver of any confidentiality, privilege or copyright in respect of information in the e-mail or attachments. Please consider the environment before printing this email.

Thanks to all who have replied to me on and off list. Manly Grammar was a private girls' school run by Principal Miss Strachan. She was seeking accommodation away from the coast late 1941- early 42 as did SCEGGS Darlinghurst, Shore, Cranbrook, St Vincent's etc in the Blue Mountains. The school was operational in Manly in 1941. >> My husband was in its first enrolment of pupils when it opened c 1951 >> I have a copy of I thinks it a 50 year aniversary booklet >> .......somewhere I am not confused with that school - my husband taught there in 1953 > if its premises were requisitoned as the Far West Children' s >> facility was > > Never heard of that happening.................. That is still in Manly The Drummond Far West home was requisitioned for use by the Women's Army. In return the army requisitioned a large property, Rothesay, in Springwood. It was some distance from the station and difficult to get children to the station to travel for Sydney for specialist appointments etc. Far West then bought a property near the station and occupied in until Feb. 1944 when Drummond Home was handed back. Joan > > See http://www.royalfarwest.org.au/about_us.html#history > > >> 3. when it ceased to exist or > > Neither have ......... and I dont think ever likely to > > > Bye > > MargM > Sydney List Admin

> > > if its premises were requisitoned as the Far West Children' s >> facility was > > Never heard of that happening.................. That is still in Manly > > See http://www.royalfarwest.org.au/about_us.html#history > > >> 3. when it ceased to exist or > > Neither have ......... and I dont think ever likely to > > > Bye > > MargM > Sydney List Admin > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 22:50:33 +1100 > From: David Fitzsimmons <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [ANS] Manly Grammar School > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi Joan > > I attended Manly Boys High from 1962 to 1967 and it was just an > ordinary > public high school then, not the selective school it is now. > > I grew up in the area and have never heard of Manly Grammar. > > regards > > David Fitzsimmons > Canberra > > On 1 December 2010 22:17, Marg M <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Edwards Joan" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 7:44 PM >> Subject: [ANS] Manly Grammar School >> >> >> Hi Joan >> >>> Does anyone know anything about Manly Grammar School? >> >> Never heard it called Grammer School. Used to be called Manly High >> School >> but has changed to >> >> http://www.manlyselective.nsw.edu.au/ >> >> My husband was in its first enrolment of pupils when it opened c 1951 >> I have a copy of I thinks it a 50 year aniversary booklet >> .......somewhere >> . >> >> I have a >>> newspaper report that stated it was looking for alternative premises >>> in Blue Mountains in WW2. Does anyone know >>> 1. if it remained in Manly >> >> Was and is still in North Curly >> >> if its premises were requisitoned as the Far West Children' s >>> facility was >> >> Never heard of that happening.................. That is still in >> Manly >> >> See http://www.royalfarwest.org.au/about_us.html#history >> >> >>> 3. when it ceased to exist or >> >> Neither have ......... and I dont think ever likely to >> >> >> Bye >> >> MargM >> Sydney List Admin >> >> >> Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post >> any >> reply...... Thank you! >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 22:16:28 +1000 > From: "Dave Aitchison" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [ANS] Manly Grammar School > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > If you Google 'Manly Grammar School' it comes up with one reference > to the > school (actually the principal) > It is a PDF doc > > Hope this helps to at least prove the existence of the school > > Dave A > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 23:22:09 +1100 > From: "Tony Moore" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [ANS] Manly Grammar School > To: David Fitzsimmons <[email protected]>, > [email protected], "Edwards Joan" > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Dear Joan, David, et al, > > It's no wonder David doesn't remember it because it was long gone by > his school > days: > > Google drags up this PDF about Manly Grammar School for Girls, with > accompanying photo: > http://tinyurl.com/38nxnce > > The Manly Grammar School (for Girls) run by Miss I Strachan as > Principal, > appears to have started in Ashburner Street several doors along from > Montagu > House, in The Breakers (although this may be an error in the Sands? > Directory). >> From 1928-1930, the Manly Grammar School was listed in Valpre >> Flats, with the > Hattersleys. Montague Flats, The Breakers and Elouera were listed > separately. > In 1932, Manly Girls? Grammar School was listed at no 44, the former > Montague > Flats or Montagu House. After one or more moves in Ashburner Street, > the school > had settled for the following decade. > In 1932, Ashburner Street appeared as an almost unbroken line of > boarding > houses and residential flat buildings, with the exception of Manly > Girls? > Grammar. The school?s tennis court and terraced gardens provided a > defining > character to the northern end of Ashburner Street until the school > closed in > circa 1941. The house was then demolished and replaced in the early > 1950s by > The Citadel apartment building. > > Cheers, > > Tony Moore > (Castle Hill, NSW) > @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ > > > On 1 Dec 2010 at 22:50, > Snipped heavily: > David Fitzsimmons wrote: > From: David Fitzsimmons <[email protected]> >> Hi Joan >>> I grew up in the area and have never heard of Manly Grammar. >> David Fitzsimmons >> Canberra >> >> On 1 December 2010 22:17, Marg M <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Edwards Joan" <[email protected]> >>> Hi Joan >>> >>>> Does anyone know anything about Manly Grammar School? > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.872 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3290 - Release Date: > 12/01/10 06:57:00 > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 08:21:46 +1000 > From: "Margaret Bauer" <[email protected]> > Subject: [ANS] Richard Pomeroy > To: "Sydney Newsgroup" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hi Listers > I have a RICHARD POMEROY born 1846 in Cork, Ireland, and died 1925 at > Granville in Sydney (so the BMDs tell me). > He and his wife Eva Edith Pocock divorced in 1911, and the reason > for this > query is if someone who has access to one of those early postal > directories > pre 1925 just might be able to give me an idea where he was residing > precisely and more importantly (and if listed) what his occupation > was. > I have the rest of his siblings and their lives but this Richard is > proving > the more elusive one to round off his bits and pieces. > It is beginning to look like he was the black sheep of the family or > just > had a wandering urge making it awfully hard to nail his life story. > > I know it is a long shot but just thought I would drop it on the group > incase I have missed something. > > Thankyou > Margaret > ************************* > Margaret Bauer > Qld, Australia > [email protected] > ************************* > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 10:11:56 +1100 (AUS Eastern Daylight Time) > From: "MaxB" <[email protected]> > Subject: [ANS] Postal redirections > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hello List, > I am wondering if postal redirections from an old address to a new > one have > been achived. > I am interested in tracking down descendants of Henry Smith c1916 who > resided at 69 Gerrick Road Lakemba NSW. > Google Earth has trouble finding that address so I presume it has had > something been built over it and no longer exists. > Regards > Max Bancroft > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 07:29:40 +0800 > From: "Wendy" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [ANS] Postal redirections > To: "MaxB" <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hello Max, > > Being a surname quite common would be hard but what I do quite often > is go > to White pages link below, type in just surname and place and then > write to > all. > > I have just posted of 12 letters to a number of "HILL's" in a > certain town > trying to find a connection to family. > > http://www.whitepages.com.au/initResSearch.do?subscriberName=&location > > Cheers > Wendy > West Aust > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MaxB" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 7:11 AM > Subject: [ANS] Postal redirections >> I am wondering if postal redirections from an old address to a new >> one >> have >> been achived. >> I am interested in tracking down descendants of Henry Smith c1916 who >> Max Bancroft > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 01:52:29 -0000 > From: "Sue Ahrens" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [ANS] Elderslie and Brighton College schools 1880s and > 90s > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]@ntlworld.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Hi Karl, Phillipa, > > > >> An online search of NSW State Records lists a pre-1939 school called > >> Elderslie. ... This would not be any school in the Camden > >> suburb of the the same name as that suburb dates from the early 1990s > > > > I lived in Campbelltown in the 1950s and 60s's, and I have a feeling > that > there was a locality called Elderslie out Camden way at that time, > although > I could have invented that memory, I suppose. But even if I am > right, it > was most likely too small to have had a school pre-1939, so Karl's > lead is > certainly worth checking. > > > > Sue > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the AUS-NSW-SYDNEY list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the AUS-NSW-SYDNEY mailing list, send an email > to [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of AUS-NSW-SYDNEY Digest, Vol 5, Issue 267 > **********************************************

Dear Margaret, I think there should be Divorce files at KINGSWOOD for that period. There is and Archives in Brief on Divorces on www.records.nsw.gov.au It could be worthwhile contacting Granville Historical Society who have a lot of records. Regards, Bill > Hi Listers > I have a RICHARD POMEROY born 1846 in Cork, Ireland, and died 1925 at > Granville in Sydney (so the BMDs tell me). > He and his wife Eva Edith Pocock divorced in 1911, and the reason for this > query is if someone who has access to one of those early postal > directories

Dear Karl, Phillipa and Sue, We have to remember that there were a lot of smaller schools in days gone by, due to the lack of transport. No "Mum's Taxis" then. The school file will tell where it is because it may well have a plan, a contract to build, and even if that is not there, reports to the Inspector at ........... will give a clue as to the district. Mention has been made of Randwick, part of the Eastern Suburbs, and with the more affluent population, there were smaller somewhat private type schools too. Sincerely, Bill > >>An online search of NSW State Records lists a pre-1939 school called > >>Elderslie. ... This would not be any school in the Camden > >>suburb of the the same name as that suburb dates from the early 1990s > > > > I lived in Campbelltown in the 1950s and 60s's, and I have a feeling that

Dear Max, Possibly the address was originally handwritten is 69 Yerrick Rd, Lakemba which still exists. Yerrick runs between Punchbowl Rd & Yangoora Rd, just outside the factory area. On the Google street view, the house looks to be early 20th century so could be the original. Cheers, Tony Moore (Castle Hill, NSW) @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ On 2 Dec 2010 at 10:11, MaxB wrote: Date sent: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 10:11:56 +1100 (AUS Eastern Daylight Time) From: "MaxB" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: [ANS] Postal redirections Send reply to: MaxB <[email protected]>, [email protected] > Hello List, > I am wondering if postal redirections from an old address to a new one have > been achived. > I am interested in tracking down descendants of Henry Smith c1916 who > resided at 69 Gerrick Road Lakemba NSW. > Regards > Max Bancroft No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.872 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3292 - Release Date: 12/02/10 06:34:00

Hi all, For what it's worth, the Geoscience Australia web site gives an Elderslie in the Camden area but also another somewhere around Singleton and schools at both locations. Cheers, Llew Hodges

Hello List, I am wondering if postal redirections from an old address to a new one have been achived. I am interested in tracking down descendants of Henry Smith c1916 who resided at 69 Gerrick Road Lakemba NSW. Google Earth has trouble finding that address so I presume it has had something been built over it and no longer exists. Regards Max Bancroft

Hi Listers I have a RICHARD POMEROY born 1846 in Cork, Ireland, and died 1925 at Granville in Sydney (so the BMDs tell me). He and his wife Eva Edith Pocock divorced in 1911, and the reason for this query is if someone who has access to one of those early postal directories pre 1925 just might be able to give me an idea where he was residing precisely and more importantly (and if listed) what his occupation was. I have the rest of his siblings and their lives but this Richard is proving the more elusive one to round off his bits and pieces. It is beginning to look like he was the black sheep of the family or just had a wandering urge making it awfully hard to nail his life story. I know it is a long shot but just thought I would drop it on the group incase I have missed something. Thankyou Margaret ************************* Margaret Bauer Qld, Australia [email protected] *************************

Hello Max, Being a surname quite common would be hard but what I do quite often is go to White pages link below, type in just surname and place and then write to all. I have just posted of 12 letters to a number of "HILL's" in a certain town trying to find a connection to family. http://www.whitepages.com.au/initResSearch.do?subscriberName=&location Cheers Wendy West Aust ----- Original Message ----- From: "MaxB" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 7:11 AM Subject: [ANS] Postal redirections > I am wondering if postal redirections from an old address to a new one > have > been achived. > I am interested in tracking down descendants of Henry Smith c1916 who > Max Bancroft

Hi Karl, Phillipa, >An online search of NSW State Records lists a pre-1939 school called >Elderslie. ... This would not be any school in the Camden >suburb of the the same name as that suburb dates from the early 1990s I lived in Campbelltown in the 1950s and 60s's, and I have a feeling that there was a locality called Elderslie out Camden way at that time, although I could have invented that memory, I suppose. But even if I am right, it was most likely too small to have had a school pre-1939, so Karl's lead is certainly worth checking. Sue

Dear Joan, David, et al, It's no wonder David doesn't remember it because it was long gone by his school days: Google drags up this PDF about Manly Grammar School for Girls, with accompanying photo: http://tinyurl.com/38nxnce The Manly Grammar School (for Girls) run by Miss I Strachan as Principal, appears to have started in Ashburner Street several doors along from Montagu House, in The Breakers (although this may be an error in the Sands´ Directory). >From 1928-1930, the Manly Grammar School was listed in Valpre Flats, with the Hattersleys. Montague Flats, The Breakers and Elouera were listed separately. In 1932, Manly Girls´ Grammar School was listed at no 44, the former Montague Flats or Montagu House. After one or more moves in Ashburner Street, the school had settled for the following decade. In 1932, Ashburner Street appeared as an almost unbroken line of boarding houses and residential flat buildings, with the exception of Manly Girls´ Grammar. The school´s tennis court and terraced gardens provided a defining character to the northern end of Ashburner Street until the school closed in circa 1941. The house was then demolished and replaced in the early 1950s by The Citadel apartment building. Cheers, Tony Moore (Castle Hill, NSW) @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ On 1 Dec 2010 at 22:50, Snipped heavily: David Fitzsimmons wrote: From: David Fitzsimmons <[email protected]> > Hi Joan >> I grew up in the area and have never heard of Manly Grammar. > David Fitzsimmons > Canberra > > On 1 December 2010 22:17, Marg M <[email protected]> wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Edwards Joan" <[email protected]> > > Hi Joan > > > > > Does anyone know anything about Manly Grammar School? No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.872 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3290 - Release Date: 12/01/10 06:57:00

Hi Joan I attended Manly Boys High from 1962 to 1967 and it was just an ordinary public high school then, not the selective school it is now. I grew up in the area and have never heard of Manly Grammar. regards David Fitzsimmons Canberra On 1 December 2010 22:17, Marg M <[email protected]> wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Edwards Joan" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 7:44 PM > Subject: [ANS] Manly Grammar School > > > Hi Joan > > > Does anyone know anything about Manly Grammar School? > > Never heard it called Grammer School. Used to be called Manly High School > but has changed to > > http://www.manlyselective.nsw.edu.au/ > > My husband was in its first enrolment of pupils when it opened c 1951 > I have a copy of I thinks it a 50 year aniversary booklet > .......somewhere > . > > I have a > > newspaper report that stated it was looking for alternative premises > > in Blue Mountains in WW2. Does anyone know > > 1. if it remained in Manly > > Was and is still in North Curly > > if its premises were requisitoned as the Far West Children' s > > facility was > > Never heard of that happening.................. That is still in Manly > > See http://www.royalfarwest.org.au/about_us.html#history > > > > 3. when it ceased to exist or > > Neither have ......... and I dont think ever likely to > > > Bye > > MargM > Sydney List Admin > > > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

----- Original Message ----- From: "Edwards Joan" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 7:44 PM Subject: [ANS] Manly Grammar School Hi Joan > Does anyone know anything about Manly Grammar School? Never heard it called Grammer School. Used to be called Manly High School but has changed to http://www.manlyselective.nsw.edu.au/ My husband was in its first enrolment of pupils when it opened c 1951 I have a copy of I thinks it a 50 year aniversary booklet .......somewhere . I have a > newspaper report that stated it was looking for alternative premises > in Blue Mountains in WW2. Does anyone know > 1. if it remained in Manly Was and is still in North Curly if its premises were requisitoned as the Far West Children' s > facility was Never heard of that happening.................. That is still in Manly See http://www.royalfarwest.org.au/about_us.html#history > 3. when it ceased to exist or Neither have ......... and I dont think ever likely to Bye MargM Sydney List Admin

If you Google 'Manly Grammar School' it comes up with one reference to the school (actually the principal) It is a PDF doc Hope this helps to at least prove the existence of the school Dave A

Dear List College.Randwick . Her family lived in Carrington Road Randwick -. I am looking for information about both schools Philippa As an old Randwick boy I have no Knowledge of Brighton college [not that old] But Brigidene college seems to have been around since Pontius was at Pt Cook [RAAF flying School] peterodo Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello listers, Does anyone know anything about Manly Grammar School? I have a newspaper report that stated it was looking for alternative premises in Blue Mountains in WW2. Does anyone know 1. if it remained in Manly 2. if its premises were requisitoned as the Far West Children' s facility was 3. when it ceased to exist or 4. anything else about it? Joan

Hi Philippa An online search of NSW State Records lists a pre-1939 school called Elderslie. It shows that they have 2 bundles of administrative files with Item No. 5/15797.2. This would not be any school in the Camden suburb of the the same name as that suburb dates from the early 1990s though palnning would date back wel before that. Another avenue to search would be Post Office and Trade Directories of that period. They usually list schools. Are you sure the school was in Randwick? Cheers Karl Bossard Canberra If you have received this transmission in error please notify us immediately by return e-mail and delete all copies. If this e-mail or any attachments have been sent to you in error, that error does not constitute waiver of any confidentiality, privilege or copyright in respect of information in the e-mail or attachments. Please consider the environment before printing this email.