Here is his birth 1914 19265 1914 ESGATE BENJAMIN C REUBEN P ALICE S KATOOMBA . Jenny McCarthy JP Brightwaters on beautiful Lake Macquarie

Hi Lyn, Benjamin C ESGATE b.1914 rego.19265 Katoomba Parents: Reuben P & Alice S ESGATE. Marriage... 21/1895 - ESGATE REUBEN P & THEW ALICE S - SYDNEY No more children listed after Benjamin, to 1918. Kind regards, Sherrie. -- http://www.silkweb.com.au/ On Wed, 15 Dec 2010 10:07:00 +1100, Lyn Mealey <[email protected]> wrote: > Would SKS be good enough to please look up birth of Benjamin Esgate in > the period 1909- 1919. Possibly in Katoomba area, but don't know > parents. > > Regards > Lyn > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you!

Would SKS be good enough to please look up birth of Benjamin Esgate in the period 1909- 1919. Possibly in Katoomba area, but don't know parents. Regards Lyn

Hi Margaret, On Ancestry, a Jacqui appears to have your Thomas Wenham in her tree. Thomas Wenham 30 Nov 1833 Hertfordshire - Parents: Joseph WENHAM & Eliza CAIN Arrived 1855 Died 1882 No wife listed for Thomas. From the Constitution's Passenger list: Age: Birth: Occupation: Carpenter Religion: Church of England Read or Write: Both Married - doesn't appear to be Father: Joseph - dead Mother: Eliza - living in Norfolk? Relations in Colony - Yes Arriving with 5 pounds Children listed on the Australian Birth Index for Thomas & Elizabeth Wenham 1. Sidney A Wenham 1861 Thomas, Elizabeth Glebe, New South Wales 2. Emily R Wenham 1862 Thomas, Elizabeth Sydney, New South Wales - d.1863 3. Frances E Wenham 1864 Thomas, Elizabeth Sydney, w South Wales 4. Alice E Wenham 1866 Thomas, Elizabeth Sydney, New South Wales 5. Marion Wenham 1868 Thomas, Elizabeth Sydney, New South Wales 6. Louisa Mary Wenham 1870 Thomas, Elizabeth Sydney, New South Wales Any chance your Francis was a girl? :) The quickest way to confirm Thomas' wife, is to purchase his death certificate. Saves a lot of guess work. :) Kind regards, Sherrie. -- http://www.silkweb.com.au/ On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 14:05:34 +1000, Margaret Bauer <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Listers > > I have been trying to locate the maiden surname of a Mary E (unknown) who > was the wife of a Thomas Wenham. As far as I can find, he came here from > Hertfordshire on a ship called the "Constitution" in 1855 at the age of > 21years, and so I presumed he would be in the BMDs but cannot locate a > marriage and where I thought I would find Mary's surname. > Thomas's birth was November 1833 and his death was in 1882 at Woollahra, > in > Sydney, so they must have stayed about NSW. They seem rather elusive so > if > anyone can tag them for me would be great. > I also know that they had a son Francis Wenham and although I know this > Francis died in 1920 at Kiama NSW I also do not know when or where he was > born. > Might anyone have this family on their research at all? > > Thankyou > Margaret Bauer > > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > ------------------------------ >

Hi Mary, Thanks very much for your reply. I would be most appreciative if you could provide me with contact details for the Family History Group at Balmain. yours sincerely, Mark Goodsell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Cunningham" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2010 12:23 PM Subject: Re: [ANS] Looking for WILSON cousins/WARBURTON second cousins > Mark > > I am pretty sure there is a Goodsell Street in either Balmain or Rozelle, > where I grew up. > Perhaps a connection to him. There is a Family History Library at Balmain, > which covers the history of Rozelle, Leichhardt, Balmain, Annandale, > Lilyfield, etc,.... perhaps they could help more. > > Mary > > On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 2:24 PM, Mark Goodsell > <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Dear Listers, >> >> I am hoping that someone can help me make contact with my cousins, or >> their >> descendants. Previous posts in this regard were sent to the NSW and >> SYDNEY >> Lists in Nov. 2007 and Jan. 2008, and were met with some success. >> >> My aunt; Patricia GOODSELL was born 20th March 1915 in Bombala NSW. She >> married John WILSON (born Gippsland Vic. 1891) on 29th January 1934, at >> Annandale in Sydney. At the time, they were residing at 263 Balmain Road, >> Lilyfield. >> >> Four children were born of the marriage, three of whom survived to >> adulthood. Eunice Sylvia (1934), Patricia Dawn (known as Dawn) (1935), >> Brian >> Henry (died in infancy 1937) and Bruce ? (1938). >> >> Eunice wed James Alfred WARBURTON in 1950 at Balmain and they had three >> children; Lynette C. (1952), Judith A. (1953) and James F. WARBURTON >> (1956). >> Eunice died 14th May 1966 at 13 Undola Rd. Helensburg after >> self-ingesting >> arsenic while in a disturbed state of mind ( Coroner's findings). >> >> Following Eunice's death, it appears that James Alfred WARBURTON and the >> three children returned to the home of his mother (Phyllis) at 147 Evans >> St. >> Rozelle, as this is where he died on 15th October 1971 aged 38 years. At >> this stage the youngest of the three WARBURTON children (James F.) would >> have been about 15 or 16 years of age, and not that much older when his >> grandmother Phyllis died 27th Dec. 1974. >> >> I have been unable to find James F. WARBURTON on the Electoral Roll nor >> is >> he listed in the Ryerson Index so have been unable to make contact via >> this >> avenue. Presumably his sisters; Lynette and Judith would have married >> however their details are not as yet available on the BDM website. Is >> there >> an Index of Marriages advertised in newspapers similar to the Ryerson >> Index >> of death notices in newspapers that is available? >> >> Dawn WILSON married Richard Pearce NORTHEY in 1957 and I have been able >> to >> contact him and confirm that they were later divorced. Once again an >> Index >> of Marriages post 1959 would be of significant use. >> >> I have no information on Bruce ? WILSON other than a rough idea of his >> age >> from my aunts death certificate, not even his second christian name. >> Richard >> NORTHEY told me that he was in the army, but I have been unable to >> confirm >> that on the National Archives website. >> >> Thanks in advance, >> >> Mark GOODSELL >> Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any >> reply...... Thank you! >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > -- > Kind regards > > Mary Cunningham > > Core Developments NQ Pty Ltd > PO Box 3761 > Hermit Park Qld 4812 > > P 07 4772 6026 > F 07 4772 6027 > E [email protected] > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mark 370 Darling Street Balmain NSW 2041 (02) 9367 9211 Mary

Mark My apologies....Goodsell Street is in St Peters. It was Goodsir Street that was in Balmain. Mary On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 2:24 PM, Mark Goodsell <[email protected]>wrote: > Dear Listers, > > I am hoping that someone can help me make contact with my cousins, or their > descendants. Previous posts in this regard were sent to the NSW and SYDNEY > Lists in Nov. 2007 and Jan. 2008, and were met with some success. > > My aunt; Patricia GOODSELL was born 20th March 1915 in Bombala NSW. She > married John WILSON (born Gippsland Vic. 1891) on 29th January 1934, at > Annandale in Sydney. At the time, they were residing at 263 Balmain Road, > Lilyfield. > > Four children were born of the marriage, three of whom survived to > adulthood. Eunice Sylvia (1934), Patricia Dawn (known as Dawn) (1935), Brian > Henry (died in infancy 1937) and Bruce ? (1938). > > Eunice wed James Alfred WARBURTON in 1950 at Balmain and they had three > children; Lynette C. (1952), Judith A. (1953) and James F. WARBURTON (1956). > Eunice died 14th May 1966 at 13 Undola Rd. Helensburg after self-ingesting > arsenic while in a disturbed state of mind ( Coroner's findings). > > Following Eunice's death, it appears that James Alfred WARBURTON and the > three children returned to the home of his mother (Phyllis) at 147 Evans St. > Rozelle, as this is where he died on 15th October 1971 aged 38 years. At > this stage the youngest of the three WARBURTON children (James F.) would > have been about 15 or 16 years of age, and not that much older when his > grandmother Phyllis died 27th Dec. 1974. > > I have been unable to find James F. WARBURTON on the Electoral Roll nor is > he listed in the Ryerson Index so have been unable to make contact via this > avenue. Presumably his sisters; Lynette and Judith would have married > however their details are not as yet available on the BDM website. Is there > an Index of Marriages advertised in newspapers similar to the Ryerson Index > of death notices in newspapers that is available? > > Dawn WILSON married Richard Pearce NORTHEY in 1957 and I have been able to > contact him and confirm that they were later divorced. Once again an Index > of Marriages post 1959 would be of significant use. > > I have no information on Bruce ? WILSON other than a rough idea of his age > from my aunts death certificate, not even his second christian name. Richard > NORTHEY told me that he was in the army, but I have been unable to confirm > that on the National Archives website. > > Thanks in advance, > > Mark GOODSELL > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Kind regards Mary Cunningham Core Developments NQ Pty Ltd PO Box 3761 Hermit Park Qld 4812 P 07 4772 6026 F 07 4772 6027 E [email protected]

Mark I am pretty sure there is a Goodsell Street in either Balmain or Rozelle, where I grew up. Perhaps a connection to him. There is a Family History Library at Balmain, which covers the history of Rozelle, Leichhardt, Balmain, Annandale, Lilyfield, etc,.... perhaps they could help more. Mary On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 2:24 PM, Mark Goodsell <[email protected]>wrote: > Dear Listers, > > I am hoping that someone can help me make contact with my cousins, or their > descendants. Previous posts in this regard were sent to the NSW and SYDNEY > Lists in Nov. 2007 and Jan. 2008, and were met with some success. > > My aunt; Patricia GOODSELL was born 20th March 1915 in Bombala NSW. She > married John WILSON (born Gippsland Vic. 1891) on 29th January 1934, at > Annandale in Sydney. At the time, they were residing at 263 Balmain Road, > Lilyfield. > > Four children were born of the marriage, three of whom survived to > adulthood. Eunice Sylvia (1934), Patricia Dawn (known as Dawn) (1935), Brian > Henry (died in infancy 1937) and Bruce ? (1938). > > Eunice wed James Alfred WARBURTON in 1950 at Balmain and they had three > children; Lynette C. (1952), Judith A. (1953) and James F. WARBURTON (1956). > Eunice died 14th May 1966 at 13 Undola Rd. Helensburg after self-ingesting > arsenic while in a disturbed state of mind ( Coroner's findings). > > Following Eunice's death, it appears that James Alfred WARBURTON and the > three children returned to the home of his mother (Phyllis) at 147 Evans St. > Rozelle, as this is where he died on 15th October 1971 aged 38 years. At > this stage the youngest of the three WARBURTON children (James F.) would > have been about 15 or 16 years of age, and not that much older when his > grandmother Phyllis died 27th Dec. 1974. > > I have been unable to find James F. WARBURTON on the Electoral Roll nor is > he listed in the Ryerson Index so have been unable to make contact via this > avenue. Presumably his sisters; Lynette and Judith would have married > however their details are not as yet available on the BDM website. Is there > an Index of Marriages advertised in newspapers similar to the Ryerson Index > of death notices in newspapers that is available? > > Dawn WILSON married Richard Pearce NORTHEY in 1957 and I have been able to > contact him and confirm that they were later divorced. Once again an Index > of Marriages post 1959 would be of significant use. > > I have no information on Bruce ? WILSON other than a rough idea of his age > from my aunts death certificate, not even his second christian name. Richard > NORTHEY told me that he was in the army, but I have been unable to confirm > that on the National Archives website. > > Thanks in advance, > > Mark GOODSELL > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Kind regards Mary Cunningham Core Developments NQ Pty Ltd PO Box 3761 Hermit Park Qld 4812 P 07 4772 6026 F 07 4772 6027 E [email protected]

Hi Laraine, Whilst cheap, I was very disappointed with GenesReunited. You can't just view everyone's tree and have to send an email to make initial contact. Then, if they see fit, they decide if they will let you see their tree or not. In my experience, most of the people I contacted, did not reply. I assume this is because a) their subscription had expired or b) they don't visit the site very often. FindmyPast is a good resource. I usually just 'pay as I go', as I didn't feel I'd get my money's worth out of a subscription. Though you can waste a lot of money, looking at Parish records, as the search results don't provide the child's parent's names. So it's not until you pay, that you will see the parent's names and find out it's not the child you want. :p So then it might be better to have a Subscription, if you intend to look at a lot of BDM's. It is a good site to tie up loose ends, for shipping or that obscure BDM that you can't find. :) If I were going to take out a subscription, I would only take out the 6 mths sub, as you should be able to cover a lot of ground in 6mths. The 88.95 pounds works out to approx. $142.60. Kind regards, Sherrie. -- http://www.silkweb.com.au/ On Sat, 11 Dec 2010 15:24:43 +1100, K & L Goodworth <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi fellow listers, > > Should I ask Santa for a subscription to Genes Reunited or Find my past. > Perhaps there might be something even better. The 1911 census is an > attraction. > > He gave me a subscription to Ancestry last year and this has been very > helpful. > > Thanks in anticipation. > > Laraine > > > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi Laraine, I have been a financial member of genesreunited for about four years. It keeps my grey matter active all year which helps keep alsheimers at bay. The members there are a happy lot and are always willing to pitch in and help break down brick walls. I sometimes find members are aware of one of my ancestors who is not on their direct line so they have not got them on their tree. Often they have information about them though, that they are willing to share. At about $20.00 AUD I recommend it as the most cost effective method of doing genealogy and it is a very cheap Christmas or birthday present. Regards Max Bancroft Should I ask Santa for a subscription to Genes Reunited

You will find this large index in Ancestry under the Australia Tax, Criminal, Land & Will heading New South Wales, Australia, Gaol Description and Entrance Books, 1818-1930 Happy hunting Bye MargM List Admin

Dear Listers, I am hoping that someone can help me make contact with my cousins, or their descendants. Previous posts in this regard were sent to the NSW and SYDNEY Lists in Nov. 2007 and Jan. 2008, and were met with some success. My aunt; Patricia GOODSELL was born 20th March 1915 in Bombala NSW. She married John WILSON (born Gippsland Vic. 1891) on 29th January 1934, at Annandale in Sydney. At the time, they were residing at 263 Balmain Road, Lilyfield. Four children were born of the marriage, three of whom survived to adulthood. Eunice Sylvia (1934), Patricia Dawn (known as Dawn) (1935), Brian Henry (died in infancy 1937) and Bruce ? (1938). Eunice wed James Alfred WARBURTON in 1950 at Balmain and they had three children; Lynette C. (1952), Judith A. (1953) and James F. WARBURTON (1956). Eunice died 14th May 1966 at 13 Undola Rd. Helensburg after self-ingesting arsenic while in a disturbed state of mind ( Coroner's findings). Following Eunice's death, it appears that James Alfred WARBURTON and the three children returned to the home of his mother (Phyllis) at 147 Evans St. Rozelle, as this is where he died on 15th October 1971 aged 38 years. At this stage the youngest of the three WARBURTON children (James F.) would have been about 15 or 16 years of age, and not that much older when his grandmother Phyllis died 27th Dec. 1974. I have been unable to find James F. WARBURTON on the Electoral Roll nor is he listed in the Ryerson Index so have been unable to make contact via this avenue. Presumably his sisters; Lynette and Judith would have married however their details are not as yet available on the BDM website. Is there an Index of Marriages advertised in newspapers similar to the Ryerson Index of death notices in newspapers that is available? Dawn WILSON married Richard Pearce NORTHEY in 1957 and I have been able to contact him and confirm that they were later divorced. Once again an Index of Marriages post 1959 would be of significant use. I have no information on Bruce ? WILSON other than a rough idea of his age from my aunts death certificate, not even his second christian name. Richard NORTHEY told me that he was in the army, but I have been unable to confirm that on the National Archives website. Thanks in advance, Mark GOODSELL

Hi fellow listers, Should I ask Santa for a subscription to Genes Reunited or Find my past. Perhaps there might be something even better. The 1911 census is an attraction. He gave me a subscription to Ancestry last year and this has been very helpful. Thanks in anticipation. Laraine

Dear Margaret, The Divorce file at State Records has an Affidavit in it that the last Eva Edith POMEROY heard of her husband was in 1903 at COONABARRABRAN where he was working on farms. They married at MOREE. Her Affidavit indicates that she did not know any of his family, and it appeared that as far as she knew he had no family in Australia. Her Affidavit for Divorce says that after payment of her debts she was not "worth Twenty Five Pounds" and I suspect that may have been the amount of assets that determined how much one paid for process of Divorce. I also saw an Affidavit where a Sheriff went to a hotel in the Newcastle area to try to serve papers on him, however he had left the hotel and could not be located before boarding a train. Regards, Bill > Hi Listers > I have a RICHARD POMEROY born 1846 in Cork, Ireland, and died 1925 at > Granville in Sydney (so the BMDs tell me). > He and his wife Eva Edith Pocock divorced in 1911, and the reason for this > query is if someone who has access to one of those early postal > directories > pre 1925 just might be able to give me an idea where he was residing > precisely and more importantly (and if listed) what his occupation was.

Hi Lorette From your information it looks as if Elderslie was a minor school whose building - and possibly some pupils were absorbed by PLC Croydon - my grandmother had moved by 1895 to Brighton College Randwick where her family lived. You've been a great help in sorting out the schools! Philippa >maybe the Wilson"s ran a small school from their home, people did >in those days taking maybe four or five pupils. or even less >then again did the Service family live in this area at the time.

Bill This isn't relevant to my current inquiry but the link you'e\ve given will be a great help with some other family members I am researching - I did not know you could access that information - it sounds excellent Philippa >If the girls were teachers in the Public School System, or even trained in >that system there will be a record of their service on the Teachers Rolls at >State Records KINGSWOOD. >There is an Archives in Brief on the subject of Teachers on >www.records.nsw.gov.au and I have found that the record contains their >personal details, date of birth, date of start and pay, where they were >appointed and transfers, each giving the pay rate and grade. >Details of marriage and death if they died while still in the service. >Sincerely, Bill

Hi Lorette just got your email below - and I think you have solved the Ederslie problem. The mention of Croydon jogged my memory and I remembered my mother saying that the school her mother went to became PLC Croydon - so the Croydon reference makes sense. Thank you VERY much. Helps to cheer me up after the loss of my entire eudora in out boxes this morning. At least Rootsweb is archived! Philippa > >the other school "Elderslie" is a problem can not find in randwick area > >did find 1904 a Mrs Annie Hawdon Wilson "Elderslie" Young St Croydon >her two daughters ( ellie and Gwendolene were teachers) only trouble >is, this is outside the area that you are looking in,. I think >that her husband was Reverend William Wilson > > > > > > > > > > > >--

Dear Phillipa, If the girls were teachers in the Public School System, or even trained in that system there will be a record of their service on the Teachers Rolls at State Records KINGSWOOD. There is an Archives in Brief on the subject of Teachers on www.records.nsw.gov.au and I have found that the record contains their personal details, date of birth, date of start and pay, where they were appointed and transfers, each giving the pay rate and grade. Details of marriage and death if they died while still in the service. Sincerely, Bill > > I will send you an attachment of the newpaper article > > the other school "Elderslie" is a problem can not find in randwick area > > did find 1904 a Mrs Annie Hawdon Wilson "Elderslie" Young St Croydon her > two daughters ( ellie and Gwendolene were teachers) only trouble is, > this is outside the area that you are looking in,. I think that her > husband was Reverend William Wilson

Hi Phillipa   When you mentioned PLC Croydon I looked up a book that I have on the school "The Golden Hope" author John McFarlane   In 1889  " Shubra Hall " Croydon owned by Hordern  was aquired   new buildings were added and the College was officially opened  in 1891   under the heading of teachers 1890   Miss Ella Wilson         Dancing  only listed for that year   no listing of the name Service from  1888 to 1891 maybe the Wilson"s ran a small school from their home,  people did in those days taking maybe four or five pupils. or even less then again did the Service family live in this area at the time.     Lorette     just got your email below  - and I think you have solved the Ederslie problem. The mention of Croydon  jogged my memory and I remembered my mother saying that the school her mother went to became PLC Croydon - so the Croydon reference makes sense >the other school "Elderslie" is a problem  can not find in randwick area > >did find 1904 a Mrs Annie Hawdon Wilson "Elderslie" Young St Croydon >her two daughters ( ellie and Gwendolene were teachers) only trouble >is,   this is outside the area that you are looking in,.  I think >that her husband was Reverend William Wilson > >

hi Phillipa I made an error in the date for the medal  presented to May Service should have been 1895 not 1890 my bad scribble  this was found on trove -   a wonderful resource http://trove.nla.gov.au/ CONCERT AND PRESENTATIONS AT RANDWICK. The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842-1954) Monday 4 November 1895 p 6 Article just type in "May Service" I will send you an attachment of the newpaper article   the other school "Elderslie" is a problem  can not find in randwick area    did find 1904 a Mrs Annie Hawdon Wilson "Elderslie" Young St Croydon her two daughters ( ellie and Gwendolene were teachers) only trouble is,   this is outside the area that you are looking in,.  I think that her husband was Reverend William Wilson     Lorette ------------------------------ The silver medal I have is engraved. I know it was for music. Brighton College Intermediate Honors [NB spelled without 'u'] To May Service 1895 J.M.S. the reverse says Gloria in excelsis Deo The other prizes are Brighton College Randwick First Prizes: General Excellence May Service Christmas 1893 J M Smith, Principal Non Schole Sed Vitae Discimus General Improvement Awarded to May Service by Mr and Mrs Wilson Elderslie Christmas 1890