Thanks Tracey . M...

It would depend on which state, but there was an Act passed in NSW Act 17, 1899 in relation to Registration of Births, Deaths, Marriages it states that births had to be registed. It is available online at http://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/sessionalview/sessional/act/1899-17.pdf Hope this helps. Regards Tracey.

Hi list .. just a question .. what would 'concealment of birth' .. actually mean ... as a conviction in NSW in 1889 ?? regards Maree Hobart

Maree, as it would be today I gather...not registering the birth and or death of a child. Wendy W.A. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maree Larsen" <uniimog@internode.on.net> To: <aus-nsw-sydney@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 2:36 PM Subject: [ANS] Question: .. re 'concealment of birth' in 1889 > Hi list .. just a question .. > what would 'concealment of birth' .. actually mean ... as a conviction in > NSW in 1889 ?? > > regards > Maree > Hobart > > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-NSW-SYDNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

yes Alistair your memory of the timber is probably right - 'coachwood' is a species of Australian rainforest timber Leith Davis On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 8:15 AM, Alistair Cameron <acameron@hinet.net.au> wrote: > On 11/05/2012 7:33 AM, Caroline Gaden wrote: > >> I do believe Alistair that you were the one who told me about school >> boys making the needles in woodwork classes... > > YES it was in Woodwork class Eastwood NSW Superprimary. At > Eastwood we had an active large anti-aircraft gun beside the > rail station, WW2. > > You have PC gremlins, such gremlins roam my Grey Matter.  I > do remember the occasional scheduled mock attack by US dive > bombers to 'surprise' the gun crew. > > > can't check because the >> gremlins have played havoc with my inbox folders and the one relating to >> that book has disappeared into the ether.... very frustrating! > > Alistair > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-SYDNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Alistair, Sorry. EDWARDS is my married surname and I cannot remember and Edwards of Midson Road although I knew that area well as I lived at the Epping end of Epping Avenue and often cut through opposite our house to Midson Road to go the dairy etc. That's a long time ago! Cheers Joan > > Thank you Joan. Are you related to EDWARDS 1940s fam at 24 > Midson Rd Eastwood. I'd like to contact KATHERINE ROSE > EDWARDS bn May 1932. > > There was just one ack ack gun, beside the up relief railway > line. In the yard of the Boy Scouts hall. Inconspicuous, > below the horizon. The gun crew mainly female. The rail > junction there would allow heavy goods trains from the north > to accumulate then rush to Sydney Markets and Dairy > warehouses. Suitable target for enemy attack. > > The huge Ryde MWSDB pumping station on Victoria Rd was also > of strategic importance. A dummy 'replica' was built in > 1940s beside Meadowbank station. The humorous comment at the > time was that Japanese eyesight and intellect would surely > attract bombers to Meadowbank replica thus assuring survival > of the Ryde pumping site. >

On 12/05/2012 9:48 AM, Joan Edwards wrote: Thanks - I had forgotten abou those anti-aircraft guns, but I certainly remember the trench trenches rather like single land swimming pools in the wet! Thank you Joan. Are you related to EDWARDS 1940s fam at 24 Midson Rd Eastwood. I'd like to contact KATHERINE ROSE EDWARDS bn May 1932. There was just one ack ack gun, beside the up relief railway line. In the yard of the Boy Scouts hall. Inconspicuous, below the horizon. The gun crew mainly female. The rail junction there would allow heavy goods trains from the north to accumulate then rush to Sydney Markets and Dairy warehouses. Suitable target for enemy attack. The huge Ryde MWSDB pumping station on Victoria Rd was also of strategic importance. A dummy 'replica' was built in 1940s beside Meadowbank station. The humorous comment at the time was that Japanese eyesight and intellect would surely attract bombers to Meadowbank replica thus assuring survival of the Ryde pumping site. Cheers, ALISTAIR M. CAMERON A.A.G.R.A. PO Box 215 BUNDANOON NSW 2578 AUSTRALIA Visit Bundanoon Village Website... http://www.bundanoon.nsw.au/ Many a beautiful hypothesis is destroyed by an ugly truth (Galileo) www.bundyontap.com.au

Thanks - I had forgotten abou those anti-aircraft guns, but I certainly remember the trench trenches rather like single land swimming pools in the wet! Joan > >> I do believe Alistair that you were the one who told me about school >> boys making the needles in woodwork classes... > > YES it was in Woodwork class Eastwood NSW Superprimary. At > Eastwood we had an active large anti-aircraft gun beside the > rail station, WW2.

On 11/05/2012 7:33 AM, Caroline Gaden wrote: > I do believe Alistair that you were the one who told me about school > boys making the needles in woodwork classes... YES it was in Woodwork class Eastwood NSW Superprimary. At Eastwood we had an active large anti-aircraft gun beside the rail station, WW2. You have PC gremlins, such gremlins roam my Grey Matter. I do remember the occasional scheduled mock attack by US dive bombers to 'surprise' the gun crew. can't check because the > gremlins have played havoc with my inbox folders and the one relating to > that book has disappeared into the ether.... very frustrating! Alistair

I do believe Alistair that you were the one who told me about school boys making the needles in woodwork classes... can't check because the gremlins have played havoc with my inbox folders and the one relating to that book has disappeared into the ether.... very frustrating! I included it in reference to the whole community being involved in the war effort, it was a snippet of information that I didn't know... all I knew re the involvement of children was growing vegetables where possible and that was in my home town in country Yorkshire, well away from the big centres which were subject to bombing raids. Many thanks for taking the time Caroline

----- Original Message ----- From: "Alistair Cameron" <acameron@hinet.net.au> To: <aus-nsw-sydney@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 3:30 PM Subject: [ANS] NSW Originals of BMD register pages > Dear Listers, > > When we buy a Certificate many years after the event, > it is often in typewritten format, lacking the hand writing > and words of the Informant. > > Original data is sometimes altered much later, with the > Registrar's approval. > > Is there any way we can gain access to the original page? > > I am hoping to trace the true lineage of an illegit babe bn > NSW 1911 whose surname was much altered years after birth: > no clue is seen as to the date of that change nor the > identity of the later Informant. And the father name may was > entered as UNKNOWN. Hi Alistair Am pretty sure a few years ago the original BDM registers were recalled from where ever, archived, and are now stored out at Kingswood Bye MargM Sydney List Admin

Yes Leith where are they, I would love to see my Gmother's entry, she was born in Nowra in 1900, maybe there would be a clue to where they lived. I lived in Falls Creek for most of my young life and finding historical records where difficult to find locally. Where do they put these things, surely they can't all be in Sydney Margaret Loiterton

On 10/05/2012 5:11 PM, Leith Davis wrote: > I live in the Nowra area, and before and advent of computers and the > centralisation of records, to apply for a birth certificate I went > along to our local courthouse, where the clerk lifted down a large > register (bound book) from the shelf, with a handwritten entry for my > birth registration, complete with my father's signature - A fine logical system!! I assume you were born in the Nowra 2541 area. Howdy neighbour, I live just uphill from you at Bundanoon 2578. Yes centralisation has a serious downside. But my research project is centred on Grafton/ Casino, s trip too far!! Thanks Leith. Good name. Been there! a seaport near Cockenzie on the Firth of Forth. ALISTAIR CAMERON

I live in the Nowra area, and before and advent of computers and the centralisation of records, to apply for a birth certificate I went along to our local courthouse, where the clerk lifted down a large register (bound book) from the shelf, with a handwritten entry for my birth registration, complete with my father's signature - the extract birth certificate was typed from this page - we never seemed to need a full birth certificate in those days. Those registers have to be SOMEWHERE! Leith On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Alistair Cameron <acameron@hinet.net.au> wrote: > Dear Listers, > > When we buy a Certificate many years after the event, > it is often in typewritten format, lacking the hand writing > and words of the Informant. > > Original data is sometimes altered much later, with the > Registrar's approval. > > Is there any way we can gain access to the original page? > > I am hoping to trace the true lineage of an illegit babe bn > NSW 1911 whose surname was much altered years after birth: > no clue is seen as to the date of that change nor the > identity of the later Informant. And the father name may was > entered as UNKNOWN. > > > The currently available cert is endorsed  "Evidence has been > furnished...." (of the surname change) but that available > cert doesn't say who furnished that info nor when. > > Probably Deed Poll was the doc. furnished, but those Deed > docs are apparently not available to us, nor are those Deeds > Indexed as far as I know. Most of us do not know HOW to > apply for Deed Poll status I s'pose > > Alistair > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-SYDNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Listers, When we buy a Certificate many years after the event, it is often in typewritten format, lacking the hand writing and words of the Informant. Original data is sometimes altered much later, with the Registrar's approval. Is there any way we can gain access to the original page? I am hoping to trace the true lineage of an illegit babe bn NSW 1911 whose surname was much altered years after birth: no clue is seen as to the date of that change nor the identity of the later Informant. And the father name may was entered as UNKNOWN. The currently available cert is endorsed "Evidence has been furnished...." (of the surname change) but that available cert doesn't say who furnished that info nor when. Probably Deed Poll was the doc. furnished, but those Deed docs are apparently not available to us, nor are those Deeds Indexed as far as I know. Most of us do not know HOW to apply for Deed Poll status I s'pose Alistair

On 10/05/2012 8:52 AM, Caroline Gaden wrote: > Hello listers > From late 2007 and early 2008 or so I had tremendous help from members > of this list who helped with queries to do with Sydney in World War > II... needles for camouflage nets, Woolcott-Forbes being just a couple. I did not see your c.2007 enquiry. My personal "War Service" as a Year 7 schoolboy was subcontracting to a subcontractor, in mfr of trivial parts for Bren Gun Carriers engines, AND the mfr of camouflage net needles. We made the camouflage needles from fine grained timber, "coachwood"??? each approx 17cm long, 3.5 cm wide, 7mm thick..... all edges rounded and sanded to be smooth. Apart from that...... Don't Mention the War!!!!!! ;~) Alistair ======== BCC recips, No Reply thanks.

Hello listers From late 2007 and early 2008 or so I had tremendous help from members of this list who helped with queries to do with Sydney in World War II... needles for camouflage nets, Woolcott-Forbes being just a couple. I just want to thank you all for that help and let you know that the work has finally come to fruition in a book... and included in the list of acknowledgements is "Members of the Sydney NSW 'Rootsweb' online Genealogical Mailing list for answering so many questions on wartime Sydney". Thank you everyone Caroline

Alastair, you could try apply for a transcription rather than an actual certificate. Transcriptions show all information on the original certificate including details that are no longer included such as who was present at the birth,  and any changes made after the original registration [names etc].   I have obtained at least two transcriptions for registrations that have had the surname amended after registration. One change was through the Legitimation Act and the other was a second registration by the fostering father [child was born illegitimate] who claimed the child had not been registered at the time of the birth.   Also if the original birth was registered in a different surname, then that original registration should still be in the BDM  index under the original name.   For example, my grandfather was originally registered under his mothers maiden name in 1893. He had a second birth certificate issued in 1919 under the Legitimation Act in his 'supposed' father's surname. BOTH registrations appear in the NSW BDM Index with different numbers and dates.   Transcriptions can be obtained from a transcription agent. They are listed on the NSW BDM website.  I always obtain transcriptions rather than certificates as they are cheaper and will contain more information.    Feel free to contact me if you don't understand any of the above.   Hope this helps,   Jenny

Hi Matthew I would suggest you order the marriage certificate for Thomas MCCLELLAND as well as the NSW BDM index as her name recorded as Ellen MACBURNEY. On searching the NSW BDM index I did find an Eleanor MCBURNEY born in 1848 to a John and Elizabeth. Good luck with your search. Shirlee New Zealand ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Hall" <cispt2@gmail.com> To: <aus-nsw-sydney@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 1:48 AM Subject: Re: [ANS] Was was Helena Emily MCBERNEY > Thanks Shirlee, > > I'd thought for a while that she may have reverted to her previous married > name for some reason and married Gilcrist, but the wedding announcement in > SMH (15 Oct 1890) states she was "daughter of the late William McLelland". > > I think I'll have to start answering this by ordering her marriage > certificate to Sebastian to get a few details. > > cheers, > matt

On 8/05/2012 11:30 AM, MargM wrote: > Dear Listers > > > Just heard Maria Skwierawski died on Sunday > > I knew she wasn't well . She used to get copies of docs from NSW > SR Kingswood for me and for many others. > > She been around a while as we were both at the almost inaugural > meeting of the Sydney DPS at the > SAG , circa 1995 ??? I joined DPS in c1993, they were conspicuous at the 1993 Genealogy residential course at Uni of QLD. Pre Internet, many of us were communicating via Fidonet. Dead Persons' Society such an apt name. Maria has done fine work for me, thanks to MargM for introducing Maria. I do hope we may be introduced to a successor!! > > Bye > > MargM > Sydney List Admin