Hello - My great-grandfather 'William Ernest Sydney WHITMORE' is understood to have born in Sydney and I am trying to obtain a copy of his birth certificate. William's parents were English and they all moved back to England soon after his birth, his death record indicates that his date of birth was the 30th of August 1883. When William died in 1972 my grandmother and great-uncle registered his death in England and used his birth certificate to do so. My great-uncle is still with us and told me that the local registry office used the birth certificate to record the death and they were then asked if the birth certificate could temporarily be kept as it was of interest. When my family members followed up and asked if they could have the birth certificate back they were told that certificates were not stored at the register office and that they did not have the birth certificate. They are the events as have been described to me... My great-uncle informs me that the birth certificate definitely stated Sydney as the place of birth. While he assumed that the issuing authority was the New South Wales government, he did say that he couldn't swear to it. That is why I am trying to establish if there are any other issuing authorities that could have registered the birth. Any ideas? If it helps, from his recollection my great-uncle believes that William was born in Swann Lane in a suburb of Sydney called "MacDonald's Town". So far I have looked at the Historical Index Search on the NSW Registry of B,D & M, and having also applied by mail have had a response saying that they do not have any record of William's birth. I have also contacted the General Register Office for England and Wales and they confirm that they do not have William registered as an 'Overseas' birth. William's father 'Frederick William Humphrey WHITMORE' is a bit of an enigma, he was born in England in 1858. Frederick appears in England on the 1881 census and after William is born in 1883 I have not found any further records for Frederick. I am not entirely sure of the circumstances of him disappearing, but apparently Frederick vanished without trace at some point in the 1880's. Frederick's wife 'Ellen LUCAS' death certificate states that Frederick was in the New South Wales Mounted Police. I understand that Frederick may well have served (as a purser on the Glengoil) in the British Merchant Navy, but am still following up on that. ***Any ideas on where else the birth of a child born to British parents in Sydney in the 1880's may be registered would be much appreciated! ***Also, any ideas on where to locate details for persons serving in the New South Wales Mounted Police in the 1880's? Thanks for your time, - Ed.

hello bob found that Elsie Jane Plumb nee Webb sister of Raymond Webb  is listed on Mundia.com and her descendants you have to register to use this site (it is a free site)  I just typed in Maltwood death NSW and her son in law Robert William Maltwood came up ,has some nice photos    if you send a message to the person posting this you may be able to get further information on your Webb family   www.mundia.com   Lorette 

Bill Once again thank you. I've receive a lot of help from you kind Australian folks. Many thanks Rob -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-sydney-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-sydney-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bill Sent: 11 June 2012 21:48 To: aus-nsw-sydney@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ANS] WEBB family Dear Rob, The Birth records for New South Wales are not publicly available for 1919, which creates a problem for you. By looking at www.ryersonindex.org I found that there is an Arthur WEBB died in BELMORE and a notice published in the Sydney Morning Herald on 8 May, 1959. Also on the same website Florence WEBB died at BELMORE with her notice published in the same paper on 7 July, 1971. Each noticed should show Raymond as a child, and on the same site you may well find his Death amongst the 3.5 million entries there. To get the wording of the notices there is an icon on the main page "Requesting a Lookup" and from there one of the volunteers will send you the details. You may find a marriage for Raymond on the NSW BDM website, but without supporting information you may pick the wrong one. Sincerely, Bill > I've received a lot of help regarding my recent search for my > Australian relatives, but I still have problems with the following > > > > Raymond WEBB b. 1919 > > Father - Arthur WEBB 1885-1959 > > Mother - Florence Elizabeth RANKIN 1890-1971 > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-SYDNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Lorette Certainly looks right to me! Thanks very much for the prompt service. Regards Rob -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-sydney-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-sydney-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lorette Sent: 12 June 2012 14:14 To: aus-nsw-sydney@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ANS] raymond webb Hello Rob   I feel that your Raymond Webb may be this one.   on ryerson index (you can request a lookup Bills reply to you To get the wording of the notices there is an icon on the main page "Requesting a Lookup" and from there one of the volunteers will send you the details.) Illawarra Mercury 13 June 3003 Raymond Arthur Webb died 11 June 2003  age 85 late of Mt Keira Illawarra Mercury 23 december 2004 Beryl Webb died 20 december 2004 late of Mt Keira    On the BDM NSW Raymond Arthur Webb married 1943 Wollongong to Beryl Wooldridge   ---.Why this Raymond Webb : because a sister of Raymond , "Elsie Jane Webb "  who married John Edward Plumb died 1968 Nowra and lived Georges basin, she was cremated at Wollongong  Elsie's daughter Joan Plumb married Robert Maltwood Wollongong and he died Wollongong in 2008  his notice also on the Ryerson Index   a bit of a longshot but worth trying, I did try to obtain the wording of the notices from the Illawarra mercury  but all I could get was the names  would not allow me to see the full notices,.so the ryerson index would be the one to request a look up the volunteers are very good  and give freely of their time.   regards Lorette   ________________________________ From: "Rob Griffin" <rob@griffpost.co.uk> I've received a lot of help regarding my recent search for my Australian relatives, but I still have problems with the following Raymond WEBB b. 1919 Father - Arthur WEBB 1885-1959 Mother - Florence  Elizabeth RANKIN 1890-1971 Rob    Halesowen GB Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-SYDNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Rob, The Birth records for New South Wales are not publicly available for 1919, which creates a problem for you. By looking at www.ryersonindex.org I found that there is an Arthur WEBB died in BELMORE and a notice published in the Sydney Morning Herald on 8 May, 1959. Also on the same website Florence WEBB died at BELMORE with her notice published in the same paper on 7 July, 1971. Each noticed should show Raymond as a child, and on the same site you may well find his Death amongst the 3.5 million entries there. To get the wording of the notices there is an icon on the main page "Requesting a Lookup" and from there one of the volunteers will send you the details. You may find a marriage for Raymond on the NSW BDM website, but without supporting information you may pick the wrong one. Sincerely, Bill > I've received a lot of help regarding my recent search for my Australian > relatives, but I still have problems with the following > > > > Raymond WEBB b. 1919 > > Father - Arthur WEBB 1885-1959 > > Mother - Florence Elizabeth RANKIN 1890-1971 >

Hello Rob   I feel that your Raymond Webb may be this one.   on ryerson index  (you can request a lookup Bills reply to you To get the wording of the notices there is an icon on the main page "Requesting a Lookup" and from there one of the volunteers will send you the details.) Illawarra Mercury 13 June 3003 Raymond Arthur Webb died 11 June 2003  age 85 late of Mt Keira Illawarra Mercury 23 december 2004   Beryl Webb died 20 december 2004 late of Mt Keira    On the BDM NSW  Raymond Arthur Webb married 1943 Wollongong to Beryl Wooldridge   ---.Why this Raymond Webb : because a sister of Raymond , "Elsie Jane Webb "  who married John Edward Plumb died 1968 Nowra and lived Georges basin, she was cremated at Wollongong  Elsie's daughter Joan Plumb married Robert Maltwood Wollongong and he died Wollongong in 2008  his notice also on the Ryerson Index   a bit of a longshot but worth trying, I did try to obtain the wording of the notices from the Illawarra mercury  but all I could get was the names  would not allow me to see the full notices,.so the ryerson index would be the one to request a look up the volunteers are very good  and give freely of their time.   regards Lorette   ________________________________ From: "Rob Griffin" <rob@griffpost.co.uk> I've received a lot of help regarding my recent search for my Australian relatives, but I still have problems with the following Raymond WEBB b. 1919 Father - Arthur WEBB 1885-1959 Mother - Florence  Elizabeth RANKIN 1890-1971 Rob    Halesowen GB

Hello List I've received a lot of help regarding my recent search for my Australian relatives, but I still have problems with the following Raymond WEBB b. 1919 Father - Arthur WEBB 1885-1959 Mother - Florence Elizabeth RANKIN 1890-1971 The family lived in and around the Sydney area so I assume this is where Raymond was born, but I have no other details regarding his life, residence, marriage, children etc. If anyone can help then that would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance Rob Halesowen GB

On 5/06/2012 12:34 PM, Gloria wrote: > Thanks Bill . Tried it , returned by Administrator once again..... > Unfortunately Sylvia gave no personal details in her letter...so I think I > am stumped and she misses out on a ton of information about , particularly , > the Smiths. > Thanks to all who have replied. ================================== I tried hacking that address. I am NOT a subscriber to UTube but found this clue for you: ============================================================== sylvia39 - YouTube sylvia39. Subscribe Subscribed Unsubscribe. Loading... 0 subscribers .... Watching the fireworks countdown to 2012 from my balcony in Lima, Peru before my 2 ... http://www.youtube.com/user/sylvia39 ============================================ Sylvia39 seems an unique "name" don'tcha think??????? Alistair

Thanks Bill . Tried it , returned by Administrator once again..... Unfortunately Sylvia gave no personal details in her letter...so I think I am stumped and she misses out on a ton of information about , particularly , the Smiths. Thanks to all who have replied. Gloria

Dear Gloria, Have you tried a "t" instead of the "y" in optusnet, and replacing the "," with a "."? Sincerely, Bill -------------------------------------------------- From: " Gloria" <smith-thompson@bigpond.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 11:30 AM To: <aus-nsw-sydney@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [ANS] Sylvia re: CROMPTON/SMITH > This is how it comes up sylvia<sylvia39@opyusnet,com.au> > I have tried sending deleting the < > , but it is returned > > > > How she has sent her mail to me is by adding hers to Trev's. > I will copy and paste it here, for you > > Hi I was searching the net and came across this ancestry search. > > "From: "Trev Symonds" <psym8950@bigpond.net.au> > Subject: Re: [AUS-NSW] Crompton > Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 16:50:46 +1100 > References: <000f01ca9274$640fa910$0200000a@ad540cdcac0394> > > Hi again Gloria, > No connection - just having a look at the records. > BIRTHS - > > > >> Would anyone be researching this family. < START OF MY REQUEST TO LIST > > SYLVIA's LETTER TO ME below > > I thought you might like to know that I know these people and who they > were. > It seems we are related. > > Actually - I know who each of them are. You are related to Kate Rhodes > Smith? Which also means that you are related to me! > > She was my great grandmother. > > I just you would like some feedback. > > There was a reference about the daughters not all being listed in a bible? > That might be because at least one of the younger sisters was not > christened. > > Anyway , hi to you and my name is Sylvia. > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-nsw-sydney-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-nsw-sydney-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Alistair Cameron > Sent: Tuesday, 5 June 2012 10:43 AM > To: aus-nsw-sydney@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ANS] Sylvia re: CROMPTON/SMITH > > On 5/06/2012 10:04 AM, Gloria wrote: >> I have just been contacted by a lady named Sylvia who found a reply to >> me re Crompton /Smith, by Trev Symonds. In 2010 >> >> I have replied to her , but it keeps being returned as undeliverable >> as there is no such user name... it is an optusnet address. I am >> hoping Sylvia sees this and contacts me again, as we are related. >> >> . Or does any Lister know of Sylvia? > > Dunno. Tell us the email address which fails to please. > > There are fine hunters on this List!!!! > > > Alistair > > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-NSW-SYDNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-NSW-SYDNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is how it comes up sylvia<sylvia39@opyusnet,com.au> I have tried sending deleting the < > , but it is returned How she has sent her mail to me is by adding hers to Trev's. I will copy and paste it here, for you Hi I was searching the net and came across this ancestry search. "From: "Trev Symonds" <psym8950@bigpond.net.au> Subject: Re: [AUS-NSW] Crompton Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 16:50:46 +1100 References: <000f01ca9274$640fa910$0200000a@ad540cdcac0394> Hi again Gloria, No connection - just having a look at the records. BIRTHS - > Would anyone be researching this family. < START OF MY REQUEST TO LIST SYLVIA's LETTER TO ME below I thought you might like to know that I know these people and who they were. It seems we are related. Actually - I know who each of them are. You are related to Kate Rhodes Smith? Which also means that you are related to me! She was my great grandmother. I just you would like some feedback. There was a reference about the daughters not all being listed in a bible? That might be because at least one of the younger sisters was not christened. Anyway , hi to you and my name is Sylvia. -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-sydney-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-sydney-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Alistair Cameron Sent: Tuesday, 5 June 2012 10:43 AM To: aus-nsw-sydney@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ANS] Sylvia re: CROMPTON/SMITH On 5/06/2012 10:04 AM, Gloria wrote: > I have just been contacted by a lady named Sylvia who found a reply to > me re Crompton /Smith, by Trev Symonds. In 2010 > > I have replied to her , but it keeps being returned as undeliverable > as there is no such user name... it is an optusnet address. I am > hoping Sylvia sees this and contacts me again, as we are related. > > . Or does any Lister know of Sylvia? Dunno. Tell us the email address which fails to please. There are fine hunters on this List!!!! Alistair Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-SYDNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 5/06/2012 10:04 AM, Gloria wrote: > I have just been contacted by a lady named Sylvia who found a reply to me re > Crompton /Smith, by Trev Symonds. In 2010 > > I have replied to her , but it keeps being returned as undeliverable as > there is no such user name... it is an optusnet address. I am hoping Sylvia > sees this and contacts me again, as we are related. > > . Or does any Lister know of Sylvia? Dunno. Tell us the email address which fails to please. There are fine hunters on this List!!!! Alistair

I have just been contacted by a lady named Sylvia who found a reply to me re Crompton /Smith, by Trev Symonds. In 2010 I have replied to her , but it keeps being returned as undeliverable as there is no such user name... it is an optusnet address. I am hoping Sylvia sees this and contacts me again, as we are related. . Or does any Lister know of Sylvia? Gloria

Alistair Many thanks for your prompt reply - I'll see what I can find from your info. Rgds Rob A Death and an MI are indexed for that name in 1954 at Mudgee NSW. The shelf refs are NSAG B7/11/98 P164, and NC SER 1/5/538. If you have a friend in Sydney then a visit or letter to SAG at Richmond Villa might help. There is also indexed a cross ref to that name in Jilliby near Wyong NSW, year 1958 5 April. Source I consulted was AGCI issue date 1996. I am not related to your detailed persons. Alistair Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-SYDNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Bill Your reply is really appreciated, many thanks! >From a cold and grey English summer Rob Halesowen -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-sydney-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-sydney-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bill Sent: 01 June 2012 22:16 To: aus-nsw-sydney@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ANS] WEBB family research Dear Rob, >From www.ryersonindex.org I found :- Surname Given Names Notice Type Date Type Age Other Details Publication Published WYLD Stanley Reginald Death notice 26JUN1957 Death late of Lakemba Sydney Morning Herald 28JUN1957 Also found Helena Lorna WEBB died aged 71 in 1988. On the main page of that site you will find an icon "Requesting a Lookup". Fill in the form with the details from the index, and you should be able to get a copy, or the wording, of the Death Notice. If you go to the NSW Birth Death and Marriage website you may find further details for Raymond, if he married. The NSW-SE list is more specific for the South East part of NSW where NOWRA is situated. You will find other lists for QUEENSLAND, which is a separate state to NSW and have their own records. Sincerely, Bill Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-SYDNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 1/06/2012 11:30 PM, Rob Griffin wrote: > I am researching my family history, in particular descendants of my > grandfather's brother, Arthur WEBB, who emigrated to Australia in the very > early 1900s (I do not have the date, departure or arrival details as yet). > My family kept up correspondence until well into the 1950s, A Death and an MI are indexed for that name in 1954 at Mudgee NSW. The shelf refs are NSAG B7/11/98 P164, and NC SER 1/5/538. If you have a friend in Sydney then a visit or letter to SAG at Richmond Villa might help. There is also indexed a cross ref to that name in Jilliby near Wyong NSW, year 1958 5 April. Source I consulted was AGCI issue date 1996. I am not related to your detailed persons. Alistair

Dear Rob, >From www.ryersonindex.org I found :- Surname Given Names Notice Type Date Type Age Other Details Publication Published WYLD Stanley Reginald Death notice 26JUN1957 Death late of Lakemba Sydney Morning Herald 28JUN1957 Also found Helena Lorna WEBB died aged 71 in 1988. On the main page of that site you will find an icon "Requesting a Lookup". Fill in the form with the details from the index, and you should be able to get a copy, or the wording, of the Death Notice. If you go to the NSW Birth Death and Marriage website you may find further details for Raymond, if he married. The NSW-SE list is more specific for the South East part of NSW where NOWRA is situated. You will find other lists for QUEENSLAND, which is a separate state to NSW and have their own records. Sincerely, Bill > > I am researching my family history, in particular descendants of my > grandfather's brother, Arthur WEBB, who emigrated to Australia in the very > early 1900s (I do not have the date, departure or arrival details as yet). > My family kept up correspondence until well into the 1950s, but we have > not > had contact since that time when they were living at Kingsgrove Road, > Belmore, Sydney NSW. A few years ago I received information from a few > kind > folks in Oz, but only now am able to look further into the family > background. Here's what I know:

Dear list I am researching my family history, in particular descendants of my grandfather's brother, Arthur WEBB, who emigrated to Australia in the very early 1900s (I do not have the date, departure or arrival details as yet). My family kept up correspondence until well into the 1950s, but we have not had contact since that time when they were living at Kingsgrove Road, Belmore, Sydney NSW. A few years ago I received information from a few kind folks in Oz, but only now am able to look further into the family background. Here's what I know: Arthur WEBB b. 1885 Oldbury Worcestershire, d. 1959 m. Florence Elizabeth RANKIN 1907 in Australia but don't know where - Florence d. 1971. They had the following children Elsie Jane 1907-1966, m. John Edward PLUMB - children Joan & Geoffrey Elsie died in Hospital. Nowra NSW 05 Dec 1966 Joyce Maria 1912-1985, m. Stanley R WYLD 1930 Canterbury - children Graham, Lindsay, Bruce & Patricia Joyce Maria died 16 Oct 1985 at Corinda Qld Frank 1915- ?, m. Helena Lorna ANSON 1938 in Canterbury - children Lawrence & David Raymond 1919- ? no details of marriage I have many photos of the family but can only put names to Arthur and Florence Elizabeth. During and after WW2, my parents used to receive parcels from Australia with exotic foods which were a real bonus at that time when Britain was in the grip of food rationing and recovering from the rigours of war. If anyone has knowledge of this family I would be most grateful to learn more. Rob G Halesowen GB

Would SKS still have the Sunday Telegraph for the 27th May and be able to do a look up therein? I understand that on Page 50; there is an article re the 50th Wedding Anniversary of family members? Regards: Robert KEMSLEY

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