Good evening Howard: Unfortunately; We (The Boarders): only ever knew our "Landlady" as "Nurse BROWN" and without knowing her Christian name; I am finding it almost impossible to now find out anything about her. I was hoping that entering her address in the Electoral Rolls would assist me, but that didn't work out and I am unsure which Electoral District the address would have been in, in 1955 - 1956? As to "Nurse BROWN" being a registered Nurse? I know not. Kindest Regards: Robert KEMSLEY > Would it be possible that she worked as Nurse BROWN but as far as the > Electoral Rolls were concerned she was registered as her married name, > assuming that is, she had married.

Robert wrote I am seeking to find a Nurse BROWN who lived 12 Edgeware Road, Enmore 1955ish? I've spent quite some time on the Electoral Rolls, but cannot narrow her down. Any assistance would be most gratefully received. Regards: Robert KEMSLEY Hi Robert Would it be possible that she worked as Nurse BROWN but as far as the Electoral Rolls were concerned she was registered as her married name, assuming that is, she had married. Something to think about and I hope you find her Howard Newcastle

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I am seeking to find a Nurse BROWN who lived 12 Edgeware Road, Enmore 1955ish? I've spent quite some time on the Electoral Rolls, but cannot narrow her down. Any assistance would be most gratefully received. Regards: Robert KEMSLEY

This is the latest from NSW State Records.............. in an effort to make Archives Investigator more user friendly http://api.records.nsw.gov.au/ http://api.records.nsw.gov.au/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q= API = application programming interface Also if you have a NSW death cert wherein its states ' Inquest dispensed with' doesn't mean there is no other file/record. >From SR web site Attorney General and Justice NRS 345, Coroners' inquest papers (Files concerning inquests, magisterial inquiries and inquests dispensed with), 1851-1963 Inquest papers have survived for some localities in 1851. A small sample of files from 1916, 1918-20, 1921-39 have survived. » View a list of surviving papers for 1916-39 The bulk of the papers of 1940-63 have survived. These papers are located at the Western Sydney Records Centre. When a date of an inquest is known from a death certificate it may be possible for staff to check the Index July 1942-March 1963. Bye MargM List Admin

----- Original Message ----- From: "Laraine Goodworth" <laraken@bigpond.com> To: <aus-nsw-sydney@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 3:42 PM Subject: [ANS] DPS site > Hi, > > > > I just got a weird message from DPS-Sydney site so I unsubbed > from the site. > > > > > Did anyone else get one. > > Hi Laraine Any subscriber to the DPS list would have done. Was either someone trying to be a smarty and someone who had their email address hi jacked . I didnt download it ,just deleted off my ISPs server Bye MargM Sydney List Admin

Hi, I just got a weird message from DPS-Sydney site so I unsubbed from the site. Did anyone else get one. Laraine

Hi Robert, I saw your posting about the Melrose Boys Home at Pendle Hill and wondered if you have contacted or are a member of CLAN (Care Leavers of Australia Network). They are a support group for anyone who spent time in 'care' as a child. Their web address is: http://www.clan.org.au/ They have many members who lived in children's homes across Australia and put out a newsletter for members with a noticeboard where members can post enquiries such as yours. Just a thought that might be one avenue to try if you haven't done so already. I am involved with Linnwood (known as Lynwood Hall) at Guildford, which was a home for girls for many years, and as the Friends of Linnwood, we have had quite a bit to do with CLAN over the past few years and can highly recommend them. Also, a few years ago, one of the then staff members of the current Melrose Aged Care facility was researching the history of the home. You might try ringing them and see if it was ever published. Regards Dorothy Warwick Friends of Linnwood

Would there by any chance; be any one on list who was in the UPA'S Melrose Boy's Home at Pendle Hill or know of the Staff thereof. Robert KEMSLEY

----- Original Message ----- From: "Penne" <pennell@xtra.co.nz> To: <aus-nsw-sydney@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [ANS] WHITMORE >I located the death of father in WA, and have suggested Edward, >purchases > this cert. cheers penne > > WHITMORE FREDERICK W H Male SUSSEX 4 1937 Excellent find ! This didnt come up in Ancestrys AUS death indexes And Charlotte WHITMOREs death cert . She d in 1937 Busselton WA http://www.bdm.dotag.wa.gov.au/_apps/pioneersindex/default.aspx Bye MargM Sydney List Admin

I located the death of father in WA, and have suggested Edward, purchases this cert. cheers penne WHITMORE FREDERICK W H Male SUSSEX 4 1937 ----- Original Message ----- From: "MargM" <genknut@exemail.com.au> To: <edjplummer@gmail.com>; <aus-nsw-sydney@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 1:54 PM Subject: Re: [ANS] WHITMORE

Hello Marg, Yes, that was a great find from Penne with respect to Frederick's death record. Penne also sent me some links to a couple of newspaper articles that suggested that the recently deceased Frederick resided at Duchess Street in Busselton. Just as a matter of interest, why do you believe that Charlotte died in Busselton in 1937? From the Western Australia BMD link you sent I see a death registered for a Charlotte Whitmore in the district of 'Sussex' in 1938. I realise that Busselton is in the 'Sussex' registration district, but I do wonder how you made the jump. Regardless, I do believe you're correct regarding Charlotte. Looking at the 'Australian Electoral Rolls, 1903-1980' index on Ancestry I see that a Frederick William Whitmore and a (married) Charlotte Whitmore were living on Duchess Street in the sub-district of 'Sussex', I have found records from 1916 to 1936. I can't find an exact match for a marriage in Western Australia, but I do see this record: REDHEAD CHARLOTTE Female WHITEMORE FREDERICK W Male PERTH 631 1914 It looks like I need to start ordering some birth and marriage certificates to see if there is any valuable information. Thanks again for all your time and efforts, it is much appreciated. Yours Sincerely, - Ed. On 14 June 2012 02:34, MargM <genknut@exemail.com.au> wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Penne" <pennell@xtra.co.nz> > To: <aus-nsw-sydney@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 12:08 PM > Subject: Re: [ANS] WHITMORE > > > I located the death of father in WA, and have suggested Edward, purchases >> this cert. cheers penne >> >> WHITMORE FREDERICK W H Male SUSSEX 4 1937 >> > > Excellent find ! This didnt come up in Ancestrys AUS death indexes > > > > And Charlotte WHITMOREs death cert . She d in 1937 Busselton WA > > > http://www.bdm.dotag.wa.gov.**au/_apps/pioneersindex/**default.aspx<http://www.bdm.dotag.wa.gov.au/_apps/pioneersindex/default.aspx> > > Bye > > MargM > Sydney List Admin >

Hello Marg, Thanks very much for your time, it really is appreciated. Penne has also provided some great feedback. Thanks for confirming that any births taking place in Sydney would only ever have been registered with the New South Wales government, and that you also haven't been able to locate any suitable entries for NSW or other states (using Ancestry). Good to know regarding McDonaldstown's proximity to Newtown and Redfern. Apologies that I wasn't very precise with regard to the records that I have located about Frederick in England before he disappeared, I do have his English birth and marriage certificates. You are quite right that he was born (1858) in Croydon in Surrey and married (1879) Ellen Lucas in the same place. Croydon was historically part of Surrey (the county directly beneath London) but as London has expanded Croydon is now a London Borough. I am from about 15 miles south of Croydon, where there are still a healthy crop of Whitmores. Ellen Whitmore (née Lucas) stayed in England after returning from Australia circa 1884, she eventually died at Bexhill in Sussex in 1932. Thanks you very much for providing the link to the Police state records section for NSW. I have just ordered a copy of Frederick's file, and will be fascinated to see their contents. It does sound like he was not accepted into the police force. Agree that you have found the correct 1891 English census return for William. Although I have a electronic copy of the original image and it is George Snelling who is the relevant head of household, the Eliza Snelling shown is Ellen Lucas' half-sister. Thanks again for taking the time to look into this. Yours Sincerely, - Ed. On 13 June 2012 21:54, MargM <genknut@exemail.com.au> wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Plummer" <edjplummer@gmail.com> > To: <aus-nsw-sydney@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 1:54 AM > Subject: [ANS] WHITMORE > > > Hi Ed > > - My great-grandfather 'William Ernest Sydney WHITMORE' is understood > >> to have born in Sydney and I am trying to obtain a copy of his birth >> certificate. >> >> No record in NSW births or in Ancestrys Aus births indexes ( incs other > States) > > William's parents were English and they all moved back to England soon >> after his birth, his death record indicates that his date of birth was the >> 30th of August 1883. > >> > > My great-uncle informs me that the birth certificate definitely stated >> Sydney as the place of birth. While he assumed that the issuing authority >> was the New South Wales government, he did say that he couldn't swear to >> it. >> > > Would have to be > > > > That is why I am trying to establish if there are any other issuing > >> authorities that could have registered the birth. Any ideas? If it helps, >> from his recollection my great-uncle believes that William was born in >> Swann Lane in a suburb of Sydney called "MacDonald's Town". >> >> > McDonaldtown is a very small suburb of inner Sydney. Close to Newtown & > Redfern > > . > > > >> William's father 'Frederick William Humphrey WHITMORE' is a bit of an >> enigma, he was born in England in 1858. Frederick appears in England on >> the 1881 census >> > > ? couldnt find him ? He married Ellen LUCAS 1st Qrt 1879 Croydon. > > > and after William is born in 1883 I have not found any > >> further records for Frederick. I am not entirely sure of the >> circumstances >> of him disappearing, but apparently Frederick vanished without trace at >> some point in the 1880's. Frederick's wife 'Ellen LUCAS' death >> certificate >> > > > Where did she die ? There is a death in NSW records of an Ellen E > WHITMORE 1901 ?? > > states that Frederick was in the New South Wales Mounted Police. I >> understand that Frederick may well have served >> > > He applied ........ see : http://srwww.records.nsw.gov.** > au/indexes/searchform.aspx?id=**31<http://srwww.records.nsw.gov.au/indexes/searchform.aspx?id=31> > > Apply for copy of his file > > Also, any ideas on where to locate details for persons serving in the >> New South Wales Mounted Police in the 1880's? >> >> See above > > Ernest W WHITMORE , age 7 is in the UK 1891 census, b Australia, nephew, > with an Eliza HODGE, widow, washer woman & her children ?? > > As far as Frederick W H WHITMOREs concerned . He doesnt appear in any NSW > Police Gazette and cant find any ref in the newspapers. > > This WHITMORE family isnt in Ancestrys Public trees, Rootsweb World > Connect, Genesreunited.. Seems to be a strong connection to Croydon, Surrey > Not in Ancestrys UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960 either > > > > Bye > > MargM > Sydney List Admin > >

----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Plummer" <edjplummer@gmail.com> To: <aus-nsw-sydney@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 1:54 AM Subject: [ANS] WHITMORE Hi Ed - My great-grandfather 'William Ernest Sydney WHITMORE' is understood > to have born in Sydney and I am trying to obtain a copy of his > birth > certificate. > No record in NSW births or in Ancestrys Aus births indexes ( incs other States) > William's parents were English and they all moved back to > England soon > after his birth, his death record indicates that his date of > birth was the > 30th of August 1883. > > My great-uncle informs me that the birth certificate definitely > stated > Sydney as the place of birth. While he assumed that the > issuing authority > was the New South Wales government, he did say that he couldn't > swear to > it. Would have to be That is why I am trying to establish if there are any other issuing > authorities that could have registered the birth. Any ideas? > If it helps, > from his recollection my great-uncle believes that William was > born in > Swann Lane in a suburb of Sydney called "MacDonald's Town". > McDonaldtown is a very small suburb of inner Sydney. Close to Newtown & Redfern . > > William's father 'Frederick William Humphrey WHITMORE' is a bit > of an > enigma, he was born in England in 1858. Frederick appears in > England on > the 1881 census ? couldnt find him ? He married Ellen LUCAS 1st Qrt 1879 Croydon. and after William is born in 1883 I have not found any > further records for Frederick. I am not entirely sure of the > circumstances > of him disappearing, but apparently Frederick vanished without > trace at > some point in the 1880's. Frederick's wife 'Ellen LUCAS' death > certificate Where did she die ? There is a death in NSW records of an Ellen E WHITMORE 1901 ?? > states that Frederick was in the New South Wales Mounted > Police. I > understand that Frederick may well have served He applied ........ see : http://srwww.records.nsw.gov.au/indexes/searchform.aspx?id=31 Apply for copy of his file >Also, any ideas on where to locate details for persons serving >in the > New South Wales Mounted Police in the 1880's? > See above Ernest W WHITMORE , age 7 is in the UK 1891 census, b Australia, nephew, with an Eliza HODGE, widow, washer woman & her children ?? As far as Frederick W H WHITMOREs concerned . He doesnt appear in any NSW Police Gazette and cant find any ref in the newspapers. This WHITMORE family isnt in Ancestrys Public trees, Rootsweb World Connect, Genesreunited.. Seems to be a strong connection to Croydon, Surrey Not in Ancestrys UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960 either Bye MargM Sydney List Admin

Hello Mary, Thanks, I will keep on trying with as many variations of search criteria as I can think of. Also, thanks for the tip about Redfern/MacDonaldtown. Cheers, - Ed On 13 June 2012 17:56, Mary Cunningham <mary@coredevelopments.com.au> wrote: > Hi > > I would search only under WHITMORE and within a given date range. > We all know how our ancestors often hated their given names, so > changed them around. > MacDonaldtown still exists, I think it is near Redfern. > > Mary Cunningham > > > On 14/06/2012, at 1:56 AM, Edward Plummer <edjplummer@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hello - My great-grandfather 'William Ernest Sydney WHITMORE' is > understood > > to have born in Sydney and I am trying to obtain a copy of his birth > > certificate. > > > > William's parents were English and they all moved back to England soon > > after his birth, his death record indicates that his date of birth was > the > > 30th of August 1883. When William died in 1972 my grandmother and > > great-uncle registered his death in England and used his birth > certificate > > to do so. My great-uncle is still with us and told me that the local > > registry office used the birth certificate to record the death and they > > were then asked if the birth certificate could temporarily be kept as it > > was of interest. When my family members followed up and asked if they > > could have the birth certificate back they were told that certificates > were > > not stored at the register office and that they did not have the birth > > certificate. They are the events as have been described to me... > > > > My great-uncle informs me that the birth certificate definitely stated > > Sydney as the place of birth. While he assumed that the issuing > authority > > was the New South Wales government, he did say that he couldn't swear to > > it. That is why I am trying to establish if there are any other issuing > > authorities that could have registered the birth. Any ideas? If it > helps, > > from his recollection my great-uncle believes that William was born in > > Swann Lane in a suburb of Sydney called "MacDonald's Town". > > > > So far I have looked at the Historical Index Search on the NSW Registry > of > > B,D & M, and having also applied by mail have had a response saying that > > they do not have any record of William's birth. > > > > I have also contacted the General Register Office for England and Wales > and > > they confirm that they do not have William registered as an 'Overseas' > > birth. > > > > William's father 'Frederick William Humphrey WHITMORE' is a bit of an > > enigma, he was born in England in 1858. Frederick appears in England on > > the 1881 census and after William is born in 1883 I have not found any > > further records for Frederick. I am not entirely sure of the > circumstances > > of him disappearing, but apparently Frederick vanished without trace at > > some point in the 1880's. Frederick's wife 'Ellen LUCAS' death > certificate > > states that Frederick was in the New South Wales Mounted Police. I > > understand that Frederick may well have served (as a purser on the > > Glengoil) in the British Merchant Navy, but am still following up on > that. > > > > ***Any ideas on where else the birth of a child born to British parents > in > > Sydney in the 1880's may be registered would be much appreciated! > > > > ***Also, any ideas on where to locate details for persons serving in the > > New South Wales Mounted Police in the 1880's? > > > > Thanks for your time, > > - Ed. > > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > > reply...... Thank you! > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-NSW-SYDNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Bill, You are quite right. I am from Surrey in England and now live in Virginia in the US, and so it does sound like I would need to enlist the services of an agent to dig out state records in Kingswood. Thanks for the pointer. As far as I understand it William was born in Sydney in 1883 and returned to England as a 'babe in arms', this is sounded out by him appearing on the 1891 census (living with relatives). William continued to live in England and had a successful career as a builder and carpenter. He died in Surrey in 1972 at the grand age of 89, I don't believe there would a reason to have his death registered elsewhere. Cheers, - Ed On 13 June 2012 18:21, Bill <oldboybill@westnet.com.au> wrote: > Dear Ed, > > Birth records are only publicly available for 100 years after the birth. > So if he was born post 1911 the birth does not show on the website. Some > listers have CD versions of the BDM which have births up to 1918, those > CD's having been produced prior to the 100 year restriction. > > Poor handwriting, and some poor transcriptions have resulted in errors, so > you may have to try different combinations. > > Where did he die? Was the Death registered in more than one place. > > Records of a Policeman are held by State Records, at Kingswood, however, > although you do not say where you are, it appears that you may not be > local. See www.records.nsw.gov.au but a personal or agent visit is > required to get access to these Service Cards. There is an Archives in > Brief (Help Sheet) on that site for Police Service Records. > > Sincerely, Bill > > Hello - My great-grandfather 'William Ernest Sydney WHITMORE' is >> understood >> to have born in Sydney and I am trying to obtain a copy of his birth >> certificate. >> >> > >

Dear Ed, Birth records are only publicly available for 100 years after the birth. So if he was born post 1911 the birth does not show on the website. Some listers have CD versions of the BDM which have births up to 1918, those CD's having been produced prior to the 100 year restriction. Poor handwriting, and some poor transcriptions have resulted in errors, so you may have to try different combinations. Where did he die? Was the Death registered in more than one place. Records of a Policeman are held by State Records, at Kingswood, however, although you do not say where you are, it appears that you may not be local. See www.records.nsw.gov.au but a personal or agent visit is required to get access to these Service Cards. There is an Archives in Brief (Help Sheet) on that site for Police Service Records. Sincerely, Bill > Hello - My great-grandfather 'William Ernest Sydney WHITMORE' is > understood > to have born in Sydney and I am trying to obtain a copy of his birth > certificate. >

Hi I would search only under WHITMORE and within a given date range. We all know how our ancestors often hated their given names, so changed them around. MacDonaldtown still exists, I think it is near Redfern. Mary Cunningham On 14/06/2012, at 1:56 AM, Edward Plummer <edjplummer@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello - My great-grandfather 'William Ernest Sydney WHITMORE' is understood > to have born in Sydney and I am trying to obtain a copy of his birth > certificate. > > William's parents were English and they all moved back to England soon > after his birth, his death record indicates that his date of birth was the > 30th of August 1883. When William died in 1972 my grandmother and > great-uncle registered his death in England and used his birth certificate > to do so. My great-uncle is still with us and told me that the local > registry office used the birth certificate to record the death and they > were then asked if the birth certificate could temporarily be kept as it > was of interest. When my family members followed up and asked if they > could have the birth certificate back they were told that certificates were > not stored at the register office and that they did not have the birth > certificate. They are the events as have been described to me... > > My great-uncle informs me that the birth certificate definitely stated > Sydney as the place of birth. While he assumed that the issuing authority > was the New South Wales government, he did say that he couldn't swear to > it. That is why I am trying to establish if there are any other issuing > authorities that could have registered the birth. Any ideas? If it helps, > from his recollection my great-uncle believes that William was born in > Swann Lane in a suburb of Sydney called "MacDonald's Town". > > So far I have looked at the Historical Index Search on the NSW Registry of > B,D & M, and having also applied by mail have had a response saying that > they do not have any record of William's birth. > > I have also contacted the General Register Office for England and Wales and > they confirm that they do not have William registered as an 'Overseas' > birth. > > William's father 'Frederick William Humphrey WHITMORE' is a bit of an > enigma, he was born in England in 1858. Frederick appears in England on > the 1881 census and after William is born in 1883 I have not found any > further records for Frederick. I am not entirely sure of the circumstances > of him disappearing, but apparently Frederick vanished without trace at > some point in the 1880's. Frederick's wife 'Ellen LUCAS' death certificate > states that Frederick was in the New South Wales Mounted Police. I > understand that Frederick may well have served (as a purser on the > Glengoil) in the British Merchant Navy, but am still following up on that. > > ***Any ideas on where else the birth of a child born to British parents in > Sydney in the 1880's may be registered would be much appreciated! > > ***Also, any ideas on where to locate details for persons serving in the > New South Wales Mounted Police in the 1880's? > > Thanks for your time, > - Ed. > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-SYDNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Karen, Each of the state libraries and national library show they own /have access to different editions. The catalogue for each shows only basic details. May I suggest you pose your question to the "Ask a Librarian" service. For the NSW State library see: http://www.sl.nsw.gov.au/services/ask/index.html Use whatever contact mode is most convenient. The librarian may be able to put you in contact with the publisher or the author. Cheers, Tony Moore (Castle Hill, NSW) @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ On 13 Jun 2012 at 19:28, Karen Hodges wrote: Date sent: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 19:28:28 +1000 From: Karen Hodges <rowantreek@gmail.com> To: AUS-NSW-SYDNEY@rootsweb.com Subject: [ANS] Paracensus Send reply to: aus-nsw-sydney@rootsweb.com > I have been trying to find information on the editions of the paracensus > by James Donahue. I would like to find out please how many names are on > each edition and the format and date that the edition came out in. I have > so far found the below but am unclear which edition/format has the most > names recorded. The 2002 said 117000 and the kindle ebook said it was > based on the 2002 index but has 133000 names! > > published as a book in 1998 [intermin] > microfiche in 2002 [3rd Edition] with 117000 names > CD in 2004 [4th edition] with 132000 > again in 2007 [5th edition] unknown the format ? > 2011 as a kindle ebook [6th edition] with 133000 names [based on the 2002 > index] > > What was edition 2? > > Karen

I have been trying to find information on the editions of the paracensus by James Donahue. I would like to find out please how many names are on each edition and the format and date that the edition came out in. I have so far found the below but am unclear which edition/format has the most names recorded. The 2002 said 117000 and the kindle ebook said it was based on the 2002 index but has 133000 names! published as a book in 1998 [intermin] microfiche in 2002 [3rd Edition] with 117000 names CD in 2004 [4th edition] with 132000 again in 2007 [5th edition] unknown the format ? 2011 as a kindle ebook [6th edition] with 133000 names [based on the 2002 index] What was edition 2? Karen