Hi June, Did you try the BDM by putting in Morris, then either the mother's or father's first name? That is leave out "Ellen". I've found many that way - either first and second names the reverse of how they were used, or Ellen as Helen etc. I begin with both parent's first names and if not successful, try only one. Worth a btry! Joan > > Jenelle, Thanks, tried that and I thought I had the right parents, > but it > came up with Ellen Morris death in 1889. same as birth year. We > know Ellen > Morris had twins in 1918 Moree .N.S.W. > So it seems as this is another brickwall. > thanks > June