I like the idea of lists for specific areas, congratualions to Viv and her co workers. I am a professional researcher, I have been working on the decendants of James Piper who togeather with his wife Martha nee Stucky, and his brother John and his wife Jane arrived on the Westminister in 1838. The brothers were initally employed at Marshall Mount as Sawyers, James died young and Martha re married a Matthew Brown of Yarra. It is her son James Piper I have been working on . He married Jane Pearson, her sister Ann married a William Piper. There were two William Piper's, cousins, they both married Ann's, one William Piper was leasehold farmer at Macquaries Gift for over 30 years , the other moved around the Illawarra appearing to lease land or work as a share farmer in the same place as James. In 1894 James aged 52 and his family moved to Llanngothlin in New England where he purchased several incompleted Conditional Purchases and established himself dairying. He was a successful dairyman and financially sound. The James Piper's were not the only family to make the move from the Illawarra to New England. The Youmans are supposed to have walked their stock up some 10 years previously.{Our Mountain History; the history of Black Mountain} If anyone knows this family I would be interested to know if I have sorted the two Williams out correctly? Some general questions for the local historians Was the move from the Illawarra to New England common,? Were the prospects for dairying in New England discussed in the local press of the time? What was the average price per acre for good dairying land with easy access to a butter factory in the Illawarra in the 1890? The Piper land in New England had several field stone buildings on it , not a common practice in New England. I would welcome any discussion about dairying practices in the Illawarra. It is not an area I know, but I have been told cream was sometimes carried by pack horse, and it did not matter in butter making if it had gone sour. If this list is to include Gundagai, I am currently working on the Nibbs, Carroll and Crowley families of there. William Carroll was a wheel wright and coach builder in Gundagai from 1870's. His step brothers were Crowley's and his wife was Mary Nibbs. Cheers, Elizabeth A. Roberts.