This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------C32D3261223F54E4FF5B1327 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------C32D3261223F54E4FF5B1327 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-ID: <36365232.6AC0D57E@braidwood.net.au> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 10:07:30 +1100 From: Christine Wright <cwright@braidwood.net.au> X-Mozilla-Draft-Info: internal/draft; vcard=0; receipt=0; uuencode=0; html=0; linewidth=79 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Graham <johngrah@ozemail.com.au> Subject: Re: A New Relo Found! References: <3.0.5.32.19981027230241.00960100@pop.ozemail.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John Graham wrote: > Is this a record? Within three days of the start of the list, I have gained > a 5th cousin once removed, thanks to my NETHERY enquiry. > There's hope for us all yet! Another coincidence - Vivienne Caldwell and myself got in touch with each other after quite a few years. We are 3rd cousins, both descendants of the Ogilvy family. This list is off to a great start! Christine Wright Braidwood --------------C32D3261223F54E4FF5B1327--

I am seeking to exchange information on convicts assigned to John Coghill and John Oxley at Kirkham, Camden and later to John Coghill at Braidwood. Recently, I completed a history honours thesis at the ANU in Canberra on this subject and have information on convicts extracted from Coghill's private papers at the Mitchell Library in Sydney. Any descendants of these convicts around? Christine Wright Braidwood

Is this a record? Within three days of the start of the list, I have gained a 5th cousin once removed, thanks to my NETHERY enquiry. There's hope for us all yet! John John Graham johngrah@ozemail.com.au GENEALOGY FROM GERRINGONG http://www.ozemail.com.au/~johngrah/

>From the "Kiama Independent" of November 3rd, 1876. (Punctuation and paragraphing as per the original) As may have been seen by your last issue, one of the most sad and appalling events that has occurred here since this district has been inhabited, took place on Monday last, in the drowning of Mr James Wilson, of the Boatharbour store, and also his brother John, of Willow Bank Farm. When the tragic event became known, so incredible did it seem that many people hurried to the village to see if it indeed could be true. As it had been steamer day, many had seen the fishing party leave the shore, and as the weather was favourable, the boat seaworthy, and apparently well manned, such a result was, of course, quite unexpected; and when the bodies of both the deceased were borne home on the same bier, great was the consternation of those who had gathered upon beholding such a sad spectacle. An inquest was held on the following day, the particulars of which I give below. The funeral took place immediately after the inquest, and although the notice was necessarily short, the procession was one of the largest that had been seen at any funeral in the district. The Rev. W. Moore officiated at the grave, assisted by the Rev. J. W. Brown of Wollongong, who delivered an impressive address. Mr James Wilson was an active and intelligent member of society, and was foremost in every movement that had for its object the public good. During the nine years that he had been in business, he was held in the highest esteem by all with whom he came in contact. During an acquaintance of 1 years, the writer can say that the public and private character of James Wilson was most commendable. His assistance to struggling worth was frequent, and his deeds of charity were not a few, though done on the principle "let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth". During his early years, and until of late, he acted in the capacity of Secretary to the Wesleyan Sabbath school. He was also a local patron of the public school, and secretary of the building committee, in which latter capacity he displayed a most praiseworthy energy among what seemed to be insurmountable difficulties. He was 30 years of age, and leaves a widow and three young children. John was an industrious honest young man, of many sterling qualities, and in very high esteem by all who knew him. He resided on the paternal estate, and was the youngest of the family of the late Alderman Jas. Wilson. His age was 23, and he was unmarried. The inquest, as stated above, was held on the following day, Tuesday, October 31, before the District Coroner, H. Connell, Esq., and the following jury:- J. Perkins, jun. (foreman), J. Perkins, sen., W, bailey, Jas. Moffitt, P. Carroll, John Moffitt, A. Nelson, E. Elliott, and W. H. Vidler. After viewing the bodies the court adjourned to the council chamber. The first witness was constable Williams, but as his evidence only referred to circumstances as he found them on arriving at Gerringong, it is embodied in that which follows and is therefore omitted. The second witness was Mr. Robert Wilson, brother of the deceased, and exactly the same may be said of his evidence. The third witness was Mr. George Buchanan (who was one of the party in the boat) and he deposed: On the day previous, the deceased James and John Wilson, and J. Johnston, G. Wilson, R. Morrow, W. Gwynne, and himself, went out between one and two o'clock in a boat, about a mile south of the Gerringong harbour, fishing; it was a fine day, no swell, but a nice sea; they fished for an hour and a half, and then, because of the quantity of sharks, they resolved to go to Connor's Beach (better known as Weir's beach, or the beach between Mr. Weir's property and Black Head), about a mile further south; having lost their kellick or stone anchor) they went ashore there to get another, and found the water very rough, with a heavy sea running in; when about five or six rods from the beach J. Johnston got out of the boat into the water and walked ashore, and, having found a suitable stone, R. Morrow went out of the boat with a rope, which being made fast to the stone it was hauled aboard by the party in the boat; when this was done the sea had become much rougher, and all left the boat but James Wilson and himself; he then requested James Wilson to leave the boat; Wilson refused and said "Hold on"; a sea struck the boat, and he (witness) was thrown from his seat, and, getting one leg over the side, he again asked James Wilson to leave the boat with him, but he would not; seeing that his own safety lay in getting ashore, he jumped out of the boat, and had taken but one step in the water when he was thrown down by a great breaker, and he reached the land with difficulty, though assisted by G. Wilson, who pulled him ashore; about twenty seconds afterwards he saw the boat capsize, with the deceased (James Wilson) in it; they all went to his assistance, but could not raise the boat, which covered him; as the boat moved with the sea the other deceased (John Wilson) tried to seize hold of his brother, and the sea drew him under the boat; he (witness) saw both the deceased twice under the boat as the sea raised it a little from the sand; Mr. Weir came to them at this time, but the united strength of all was insufficient to raise the boat; in about three-quarters of an hour afterwards, the head and shoulders of the deceased John Wilson appeared in the water under the edge of the boat; they endeavoured to pull him ashore, but could not do so until they had cut the fishing lines, by which he was entangled, and he was then quite dead; about an hour after this, and while they were trying to get the body of James Wilson from under the boat, they saw his body with arms bent upwards, floating on its back, head foremost, seawards; being much exhausted he was obliged to leave, and was not present when the body of James Wilson was recovered; it was about four o'clock when the boat capsized; no angry words had taken place, and all were on excellent terms with each other, though there was some difference as to which harbour they should enter; there was no spirits on board, and all were sober; the boat is about 5 tons burden, and having no ballast, it was not easily managed; the head and face of John Wilson were covered with bruises when the body was recovered, and he (witness) believed he was stunned by the boat striking him, after the sea sucked him under it, and in that state he was soon suffocated by the water. The fourth witness was James Johnston also one of the fishing party and his evidence is taken up at that point, where it varies from or gives more information than the foregoing: Finding the sharks were taking their bait the party determined to shift, and go a little further south, but in drawing up the kellick they lost the stone and went into Connor's Beach to get another; he first jumped out of the boat, into water knee deep, when a swell came which reached to his middle, but he got ashore without difficulty; when the fresh stone was hauled on board the boat was then in a safe position, and all hands tried to get her nearer to the shore, in order to take him and R. Morrow (who went out to help with the stone) aboard, and while attempting to do so a wave very nearly upset the boat, and his impression was that all - with the exception of James Wilson - were then thrown out of the boat, though, fixed as he was, trying to keep the boat in position, he could not see whether they got out or were thrown out of the boat; at this time he called to James Wilson to come out of the boat, but Wilson called to them to get in and get the boat off, and they would have done so, but another wave came and capsized the boat over the deceased James Wilson; they all tried to lift the boat, and when it rose a little the deceased John Wilson went under to assist his brother, the boat closing over him, and their utmost united effort was unequal to raising the boat after that; an hour afterwards he saw the body of John Wilson in the surf at the stern of the boat; they got the body out of the water, but it was quite dead and a good deal bruised on the side of the head; shortly afterwards he saw the body of James Wilson in the surf, and though they tried to recover it the surf carried it out to sea; about sundown it drifted back to the surf, when it was recovered, and both bodies conveyed to Wilson's store; there was no drink of any kind on the boat; all were strictly sober and quite friendly; he had been only once before at Weir's beach; he then thought it was a safe place, but he did not think so now; when the deceased James Wilson was by himself in the boat, he called out, and he (witness) thought he said he wanted to save the boat; from the time he went ashore for the stone to the time when the boat capsized, half an hour must have elapsed. Dr. R. H. Tarrant deposed: he had examined the bodies of the deceased; that of John Wilson was much bruised about the head; the faces and skin of each were livid, presenting every appearance of asphyxia from drowning; from the examination of the bodies and the evidence of the witnesses, he was of opinion that both were drowned but that the boat struck the deceased John Wilson, accelerating his death by drowning. The verdict of the jury, in accordance with the medical opinion, was accidental drowning. John Graham johngrah@ozemail.com.au GENEALOGY FROM GERRINGONG http://www.ozemail.com.au/~johngrah/

Hi Vivienne and members, Unfortunately I don't think the John Joseph O'Neil Vivienne mentioned is one of mine. My 3xg grandmother was Margaret O'Neil who came from Ireland in circa 1838/39. There has never been any mention of her parents or other family members on any of the documents I have for her. Margaret married John McDermott in Wollongong in 1841 and the only lead I have for Margaret is that she may have been sponsored by Peter LARKIN who was the owner of the property Galloway Farm in Dapto. John McDermott was a convict worker on the Larkin property in 1841. I only wish I could find a whole mess of O'Neil's that I could call my own. :-) Best wishes, Terri BRYAN bryan@nor.com.au Yamba NSW Australia -----Original Message----- From: Vivienne Caldwell <viv@zip.com.au> To: AUS-NSW-SE-L@rootsweb.com <AUS-NSW-SE-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Monday, 26 October 1998 6:37 Subject: O'NEIL >Hi everyone > >Terri Bryan mentioned O'Neil in Wollongong - I have a John Joseph O'Neil >who enlisted in WWI. He was a prisoner of war and died of illness >during on 30/11/1918. He was a very early enlistment and appears to >have had a particularly bad time during the war. His parents were >Cornelius and Catherine O'Neil. He listed on the Wollongong War >Memorial. Does Terri or anyone else know of John or his family? > >Viv >-- >Vivienne Caldwell >viv@zipworld.com.au >vc04@uow.edu.au >viv@wollongong.apana.org.au >Wollongong NSW >http://www.zip.com.au/~viv > > >==== AUS-NSW-SE Mailing List ==== >History and genealogy in South-East New South Wales, Australia > >

In fact, any NETHERY descendants at all are welcome to contact me, as I also have information on some other lines. The Magheraculmoney line descends from John NETHERY and Anna (or Hannah) JOHNSTON. This couple lived and died in Co. Fermanagh, and had three known children: G'day John I have a NETHERY (first name unknown) married to John JOHNSTON and living in the Robertson area. The information has come from personal recollections so is not perfect in that regard but I have no reason to doubt it. John Johnston was the elder brother of ANN JANE JOHNSTON b 16/8/1853 in Co. Fermanagh, m.Hugh McBarron 14/5/1880 at Burrawang - John and Ann were 1st and 2nd born of James Johnston and Unknown Walker also Co. Fermanagh, probably Irvinestown area. As your John Nethery married Anna Johnston, do we have cousins here ? I would be interested in learning more - as times goes along your tree and mine are becoming slightly entangled, so I suppose I'll have to buy you that Christmas drink after all, just to be sure for sure <g> Regards Max Carrick Southern Cross Genealogy Australia's National I.S.P. for Genealogists and Historians www.southernx.com.au Freecall 1800 882 884 for connection

I am researching relatives of (1) John HICKSON and Janet (nee MORRISON) whose family were largely born in Terara, Shoalhaven, NSW. John was born circa 14 Jan 1844 in Birkenhead, Cheshire, ENG. to Charles and Margaret (nee GRIFFITHS).JOhn married Janet at Terara on 13 Jan 1868 in the CofEng. and he worked as an engineer. They had 11 children of whom I have detail, including John Frederick HICKSON who married Edith May WEARNE and were the parents of my grandmother. (2) William BOLES some of whose descendants migrated to the NSW south coast area. William was born 10 Mar 1827 in Campbelltown, NSW and married Catherine ANGUS at Carcoar on 8 Oct 1850. They had a son William Joseph BOLES born at Canoblas, decsd. at Manildra. William had 13 chidren with his wife Ann Bridget O'MALLEY / O'HULLEY from 1880 to 1900 including another William (Billie) BOLES who married Nellie G. (Ellen Grace) BERGER. These two families of HICKSON and BOLES are not directly related except by marriage and links to my (BERGER) family. I can send text reports and GEDCOM files on request, Yours faithfully, Peter Berger

Hello I have some details of an Elizabeth Nethery who married Samuel Vidler at Jamberoo on 20 Feb 1855 and their descendants. regards Malcolm Perrins Sydney Australia mperrins@nsw.bigpond.net.au

Thanks Cathy, Sorry about the mistake everyone. Trish Cathy Dunn wrote: > I have reposted corrected URL for trish so people can check out her page > http://www.uftree.com/UFT/WebPages/cassidy/default/index.htm > > At 08:13 PM 10/25/98 +1100, Trish Cassidy wrote: > >I have just updated my home page. The areas covered are Camden, > >Collector, Goulburn, gunning and West Wyalong (and just about everywhere > >in between). Please let me know of any connections!! > >http://www/uftree/com/UFT/WebPages/cassidy/default/index.htm > > > >Trish Cassidy > > > > > >==== AUS-NSW-SE Mailing List ==== > >History and genealogy in South-East New South Wales, Australia > > > > > > > *************************************************** > Take a tour of History of Milton Ulladulla > http://www.shoalhaven.net.au/~cathyd/ > Search engine for site now available > > Jaybees Entertainment and gig guide > http://www.shoalhaven.net.au/~jaybees/gigguide.html > > Online Pioneer Records and indexes > http://www.shoalhaven.net.au/~cathyd/pioneers/ > > ******************************************************** > > ==== AUS-NSW-SE Mailing List ==== > History and genealogy in South-East New South Wales, Australia

Three members of a branch of the NETHERY family from Magheraculmoney Parish, Co. Fermanagh lived in the Kiama area during the 19th century. I would be most interested in contacting anyone descended from this family. In fact, any NETHERY descendants at all are welcome to contact me, as I also have information on some other lines. The Magheraculmoney line descends from John NETHERY and Anna (or Hannah) JOHNSTON. This couple lived and died in Co. Fermanagh, and had three known children: 1 John NETHERY m. Elizabeth (surname unknown) living at Edenclaw, FER in 1853 1.1 Elizabeth NETHERY born 04AUG1835 Ardess, FER arrived Sydney 12OCT1853 aboard "ELLENBOROUGH" (listed as Eliza NIDDERY) married Samuel VIDLER (20FEB1855 Jamberoo) died 03FEB1896 Newtown Samuel died 15JUN1910 Woy Woy 2 Sarah NETHERY born 28JAN1810 Co. Fermanagh, IRL m. James EMERY (15SEP1836 Ardess, FER) arrived Sydney 06DEC1838 aboard "FAIRLIE" died 04MAY1872 Kiama James died 26MAY1880 Kiama 3 Lancelot NETHERY born c1814 Co.Fermanagh, IRL m. Jane EMERY (29JUN1838 at Ardess, FER) arrived Sydney 08DEC1839 aboard "ORIENT" died 12SEP1865 at Campbelltown Jane died 18FEB1887 at Gerringong no known issue John John Graham johngrah@ozemail.com.au GENEALOGY FROM GERRINGONG http://www.ozemail.com.au/~johngrah/

Hi everyone Terri Bryan mentioned O'Neil in Wollongong - I have a John Joseph O'Neil who enlisted in WWI. He was a prisoner of war and died of illness during on 30/11/1918. He was a very early enlistment and appears to have had a particularly bad time during the war. His parents were Cornelius and Catherine O'Neil. He listed on the Wollongong War Memorial. Does Terri or anyone else know of John or his family? Viv -- Vivienne Caldwell viv@zipworld.com.au vc04@uow.edu.au viv@wollongong.apana.org.au Wollongong NSW http://www.zip.com.au/~viv

Reseaching all Aboriginal families from Wandandian, Ulladulla, Murramarang, Bateman Bay, Moruya, also Braidwood, Nelligen areas and such as many of the families inter connect. This of course includes the Budawang Tribe. Cathy Dunn *************************************************** Take a tour of History of Milton Ulladulla http://www.shoalhaven.net.au/~cathyd/ Search engine for site now available Jaybees Entertainment and gig guide http://www.shoalhaven.net.au/~jaybees/gigguide.html Online Pioneer Records and indexes http://www.shoalhaven.net.au/~cathyd/pioneers/ ********************************************************

Hi to everyone on the list, A big thank you to Vivienne, Cathy and John, I am thrilled to be a member of this mailing list which covers all of the areas where both my paternal and maternal ancestors lived last century, although neither side knew each other at the time. My research interests are; McDERMOTT & O'NEIL - Wollongong/Dapto/Jamberoo/Shoalhaven. Names associated with McDermott & O'Neil are; KOHLER, GOODWIN, STOKES, HUDSON, LOVEDAY, SCRIVENER, OPITZ, McGUIRE, MORRISSEY, DAVIS among many others. (Large file). RYAN & STOKES - Gerringong, Kiama. Names associated with Ryan and Stokes are; LUCAS, POMEROY, MCKENZIE, JONES, HICKS, PHILLIPS, BROWN, CAMPBELL, GIBSON. SOLDI - Balgownie. VALBUSA - Coledale. If anyone is interested in these names I am only too happy to share what information I have. Best wishes, Terri BRYAN bryan@nor.com.au Yamba NSW Australia Researching: Bryan, Curry/Currie, Davis, Lucas, McDermott/McDiarmid, McPherson, Machin, Norman, O'Neil, Pickford, Pomeroy, Ruthven, Ryan, Soldi, Stokes,Taylor, Valbusa, Vinco.

Hello Vivienne and List members I am researching the following families in the Robertson/Burrawang/Wildes Meadow/Myra Vale areas (and then some) so if bells ring, please let me know: CARRICK, McBARRON, KEEBLE, BELL, ANDERSON, JOHNSTON, MONTGOMERY, JERVIS and more...as always. Best wishes to the list and all who sail in her. Max Carrick Southern Cross Genealogy Australia's National I.S.P. for Genealogists and Historians www.southernx.com.au Freecall 1800 882 884 for connection

I have reposted corrected URL for trish so people can check out her page http://www.uftree.com/UFT/WebPages/cassidy/default/index.htm At 08:13 PM 10/25/98 +1100, Trish Cassidy wrote: >I have just updated my home page. The areas covered are Camden, >Collector, Goulburn, gunning and West Wyalong (and just about everywhere >in between). Please let me know of any connections!! >http://www/uftree/com/UFT/WebPages/cassidy/default/index.htm > >Trish Cassidy > > >==== AUS-NSW-SE Mailing List ==== >History and genealogy in South-East New South Wales, Australia > > > *************************************************** Take a tour of History of Milton Ulladulla http://www.shoalhaven.net.au/~cathyd/ Search engine for site now available Jaybees Entertainment and gig guide http://www.shoalhaven.net.au/~jaybees/gigguide.html Online Pioneer Records and indexes http://www.shoalhaven.net.au/~cathyd/pioneers/ ********************************************************

Just a posting to say hello to list members and to congratulate the group who have set up this list. I have previously had contact with John Graham and Cathy Dunn who have both given me valuable assistance. I would be interested in making contact and sharing information with any other researchers researching the HARVEY & GARRAD families. Uriah HARVEY and Sophia Church married in 1834 in Wicken in Cambridgeshire, came to Australia in 1857 on the Washington Irving and settled with their family in Gerringong. Children Josiah 1835, Maria 1837, Charles 1839, John 1841, George 1843, Ezra 1850, Fanny 1852, Maria 1854. Robert GARRAD Convict "Admiral Gambier" 1811 m. 1828 Sarah Taylor settled in Milton. Children Mary Ann, Elizabeth Jane, Sarah Ann, Robert John, Thomas William, Lucy Ann, William Samuel, Samuel, Daniel, Emma. Ezra Harvey m 1871 Emma Garrad, Fanny Harvey m 1870 Daniel Garrad. Ezra and Emma are my line of descent. I am also researching the Taylor, Partridge, Hambridge connection to Sarah Taylor. Wendy Simes

Hi All, I am seeking imformation on the above names from around QUEANBEYAN area. Any connections. Thanks in advance Di from South Australia

>I have a copy of the Kiama Independent, Tuesday, March 2, 1886. It lists an >ancestor of mine under deaths 'McLelland - February 20th, at the residence >of her grandson, Mr Robert McLelland, Broughton Creek, Mrs Sarah McLelland, >aged 114 years' > >Can anyone shed any light onto Sarah's real age? she and her husband Robert >immigrated on the "Wilson" and tried to lower their ages to collect the >bounty due to younger and fitter people. I don't have any precise details on Sarah McCLELLAND's age, but she was the daughter of Robert and Isabella ARMSTRONG, and brother of James ("Bedad") ARMSTRONG who lived to the documented age of 107, so longevity certainly ran in the family. Bedad died in 1880, so would have been born c1773. If Sarah was indeed 114, she would have been born c1772 - not impossible. John John Graham johngrah@ozemail.com.au GENEALOGY FROM GERRINGONG http://www.ozemail.com.au/~johngrah/

I have just updated my home page. The areas covered are Camden, Collector, Goulburn, gunning and West Wyalong (and just about everywhere in between). Please let me know of any connections!! http://www/uftree/com/UFT/WebPages/cassidy/default/index.htm Trish Cassidy

I AM RESEARCHING JAMES FREDERICK.WALKER WHO MARRIED MARGARET.HICKEY IN CARCOAR.N.S.W.IN JAN.1864. ALSO THE HIBBERD FAMILY FROM DERBYSHIRE. BELINDA