http://members.wbs.net/homepages/j/o/h/johnhearmeroar/JOHNHOME.htm Cathy Dunn Milton Ulladulla http://www.shoalhaven.net.au/~cathyd/

Greetings, My maternal Grandfather's line was all from Ireland. They seemed to all arrive around the 1850s, live in the Wollongong/Five Islands/Jamberoo/Gerringong areas until the 1880s or 1890s, then move down to the Bega/Bombala/Bemboka area. Details are on my web page: http://www1.tpgi.com.au/users/dscott/david.htm Regards David

In a message dated 11/1/1998 6:05:59 AM !!!First Boot!!!, benson@fastlink.com.au writes: << Subj: AUST SPECIALIZED GROUPS Date: 11/1/1998 6:05:59 AM !!!First Boot!!! From: benson@fastlink.com.au (BENSON BOYS) To: AUS-NSW-SE-L@rootsweb.com Hi First thanks to the people who have set up this group, despite what has been said on AUST-L, I believe that there is a need to specialized groups in this country. It can only be hoped that this group can set the benchmark for others to follow. Along these lines I would suggest that to save duplication of FAQ and allow the group to become specialized, as it should be, the following. The setting up of a CENTRAL location of information concerning the group both in Genealogy and Local History [both go together]. The CENTRAL Register should be complete as possible and not contain vague details. The information should be set up so it can sent as an attachment as soon as one of the questions are asked and allow the person to then proceed with their research and then contact the group again with more detailed information. The files, in my view, should contain [and I want your feedback]: 1. URLs containing searchable and free databases &/or information. [details] 2. Local Libraries, FHS, LHS, etc... Addresses, hours of operations, fees, and deatils of holdings relating to this region. 3. LDS Libraries also with the above information. 4. Local Researchers, detailing specialisation in this region; details and fees. 5. Members Interests. 6. Lookups relating to this region. 7. Your suggestions. Also it would help the group if some uniform SUBJECT LINE could be agreed to from the start so that all members will not overlook information of interest. I have an idea, but it is really up to the group. I will suggest the following only so that debate can take place: LOCATION: YEAR[S]: SURNAME[S]/INTEREST. As I stated earlier this being a new group, with a little effort, it could become the benchmark of others that follow. We at least should try. Want to hear your comments. Please reply through the group so that all can comment. Hoping this is a positive move to help everyone in the future. Regards Larry Sydney Australia benson@fastlink.com.au ICQ#9358915 9358915@pager.mirabilis.com Seeking TYEs worldwide, no information is too small. >> I do not think this AUS-NSW-SE-List needs to become a SPECIALIZED GROUP This list is doing fine just the way it is.(Do not fix what is not broken) Larry You may have some good ideas but leave this list to the List owners and start your own list, ( I believe that there is a need to specialized groups in this country.) (Also it would help the group if some uniform SUBJECT LINE) Larry, Start you own AUS- SPECIALIZED GROUP more than one AUST-NSW-L is needed (As I stated earlier this being a new group, with a little effort, it could become the benchmark of others that follow. ) May be your dream of Benchmark List will be Yours and you can be proud that you started it. Larry, I hope you do not think That I'm putting you down, I just like this list the way it is and do not want this list to become to formal. There is a need for more AUS-Lists. Rod Coraki99@aol.com Check my pages for Genealogy help lists and lots of other great genealogy links. <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/coraki99/index.html">Rod's, Australian, Irish,Scottish and English Genealogy</A> <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/ulmarra99/index.htm">Australian, English, Irish and ScottishGeneal...</A> <A HREF="http://www.rootsquest.com/~coraki/index.html"> BATCHELOR ANCESTRY index.html at www.rootsquest.com</A> <A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/6666/">Rod's Australian, English, Irish and Scottish Lineage</A>

Hi First thanks to the people who have set up this group, despite what has been said on AUST-L, I believe that there is a need to specialized groups in this country. It can only be hoped that this group can set the benchmark for others to follow. Along these lines I would suggest that to save duplication of FAQ and allow the group to become specialized, as it should be, the following. The setting up of a CENTRAL location of information concerning the group both in Genealogy and Local History [both go together]. The CENTRAL Register should be complete as possible and not contain vague details. The information should be set up so it can sent as an attachment as soon as one of the questions are asked and allow the person to then proceed with their research and then contact the group again with more detailed information. The files, in my view, should contain [and I want your feedback]: 1. URLs containing searchable and free databases &/or information. [details] 2. Local Libraries, FHS, LHS, etc... Addresses, hours of operations, fees, and deatils of holdings relating to this region. 3. LDS Libraries also with the above information. 4. Local Researchers, detailing specialisation in this region; details and fees. 5. Members Interests. 6. Lookups relating to this region. 7. Your suggestions. Also it would help the group if some uniform SUBJECT LINE could be agreed to from the start so that all members will not overlook information of interest. I have an idea, but it is really up to the group. I will suggest the following only so that debate can take place: LOCATION: YEAR[S]: SURNAME[S]/INTEREST. As I stated earlier this being a new group, with a little effort, it could become the benchmark of others that follow. We at least should try. Want to hear your comments. Please reply through the group so that all can comment. Hoping this is a positive move to help everyone in the future. Regards Larry Sydney Australia benson@fastlink.com.au ICQ#9358915 9358915@pager.mirabilis.com Seeking TYEs worldwide, no information is too small.

Jan Kersnovske wrote: > Frederick George RIMINGTON & wife Frances Emily nee MASTERS were in > Braidwood in 1918 when their daughter Mabel was born. > He was a Master Baker and an unlucky farmer. No record of him being on the > land can be found for that time frame. Are there council records surving > which may show him as having a bakery? Jan, There are no surviving records for the Tallaganda Shire at Braidwood which go back that far. Your only hope may be a directory for that year. Christine Wright Braidwood NSW

Elizabeth, >Some general questions for the local historians > Was the move from the Illawarra to New England common,? Nowhere near as common as the move to the Richmond River, which started about 1880 and reached its peak c1900. The "Kiama Independent" c1900 carried probably one article per month reporting a farewell function for another family off to the "Big Scrub". > Were the prospects for dairying in New England discussed in the local >press of the time? Not that I recall seeing in the papers I have read. > What was the average price per acre for good dairying land with easy >access to a butter factory in the Illawarra in the 1890? The Gerringong Co-Op was formed on February 24th, 1888 and is still running, so farming land around there would be a good guide. All of the land south of the town was owned by the Berry Estate until the first sale on March 29th, 1892 when 4 farms were sold. One of these (21 1/2 acres) sold for 41 pounds per acre (to William COOKE), while the other three all sold to William WEIR - a total of 152 3/4 acres at an average price of 24 pounds 7s 6d. These farms were all about 3/4 mile from the Co-Op, over level tracks, so that would constitute "easy access" for the time. I think William WEIR got the better deal as far as farming land went, but as part of COOKEs land is now residential, I guess his descendants are laughing loudest. As a comparison with present-day prices, 50 acres of WEIRs land was sold earlier this year for $912,000. >I would welcome any discussion about dairying practices in the Illawarra. >It is not an area I know, but I have been told cream was sometimes carried >by pack horse, and it did not matter in butter making if it had gone sour. There are two books which cover the subject. One is Frank McCaffery's "History of Illawarra", published in 1922 and probably available at the SL or ML. The Sydney City Library had a copy 15 years ago, when they were in Pitt St - don't know where they are now. The other is William Bayley's "Blue Haven", published 1960, reprinted 1976, and still available (new) from various tourist places around Kiama, or second-hand from various booksellers at www.bibliofind.com. Certainly before the railway (extended south from Bombo in 1893), produce for the Sydney market had to be taken to the harbours at Kiama or Gerringong for shipment to Sydney. However, farmers generally made their own butter and shipped that, rather than the cream. Butter was sealed in wooden kegs and, without refrigeration (at least on the wharves), often ended up as a barrel of oil by the time it reached Sydney. John John Graham johngrah@ozemail.com.au GENEALOGY FROM GERRINGONG http://www.ozemail.com.au/~johngrah/

I have discovered that an aunt of mine, Agnes Ruth WILSON (born- 9/12/1903) married Henry Charles BRABON, most likely in the North Queensland area. Agnes Ruth is a sister of my Birth Mother - Jessie Arclisse (Arkles on birth register) WILSON who married a Mr. PAUL between 2/1/1930 and 26/2/1930, again, most likely in North Queensland. I would be pleased to hear from any one who might know something about these families. sincerely Brian Greenaway 2/46 Nation Cres., COCONUT GROVE DARWIN NT 0810

I have discovered that an aunt of mine, Ethel May WILSON(Born- 22/11/1898) married Thomas BURGESS, most likely in North Queensland. Ethel May is/was an older sister of my birth mother, Jessie Arclisse (or Arkles) WILSON who was born on 12/11/1911 and married a Mr.PAUL between 2/1/1930 and 26/2/1930. I would be pleased to hear from anybody who might be able to tell me anything about them or their family. Brian Greenaway 2/46 Nation Cres., COCONUT GROVE DARWIN NT 0810 Tel: (08) 8985 1658

Hello All Good to see this list up and running, I am researching the following families and would be glad to exchange any information. BEATTIE Goulburn 1854 BROGAN Spring Valley nr Goulburn 1835 HICKEY Goulburn 1840 MURPHY Goulburn and surrounding areas 1840 STEWART Goulburn 1840 In particular I am looking for any information on anyone researching the PALEY family of Grahamstown nr Adelong. Samuel Paley was supposed to have a half brother living in Goulburn that he used to visit but can find no trace. Samuel's grandchildren supposedly attended a Catholic boarding school in Goulburn it may have been St Joseph’s at Kenmore are there any records available Regards Joy Conroy Ettalong on the Central Coast of NSW

I like the idea of lists for specific areas, congratualions to Viv and her co workers. I am a professional researcher, I have been working on the decendants of James Piper who togeather with his wife Martha nee Stucky, and his brother John and his wife Jane arrived on the Westminister in 1838. The brothers were initally employed at Marshall Mount as Sawyers, James died young and Martha re married a Matthew Brown of Yarra. It is her son James Piper I have been working on . He married Jane Pearson, her sister Ann married a William Piper. There were two William Piper's, cousins, they both married Ann's, one William Piper was leasehold farmer at Macquaries Gift for over 30 years , the other moved around the Illawarra appearing to lease land or work as a share farmer in the same place as James. In 1894 James aged 52 and his family moved to Llanngothlin in New England where he purchased several incompleted Conditional Purchases and established himself dairying. He was a successful dairyman and financially sound. The James Piper's were not the only family to make the move from the Illawarra to New England. The Youmans are supposed to have walked their stock up some 10 years previously.{Our Mountain History; the history of Black Mountain} If anyone knows this family I would be interested to know if I have sorted the two Williams out correctly? Some general questions for the local historians Was the move from the Illawarra to New England common,? Were the prospects for dairying in New England discussed in the local press of the time? What was the average price per acre for good dairying land with easy access to a butter factory in the Illawarra in the 1890? The Piper land in New England had several field stone buildings on it , not a common practice in New England. I would welcome any discussion about dairying practices in the Illawarra. It is not an area I know, but I have been told cream was sometimes carried by pack horse, and it did not matter in butter making if it had gone sour. If this list is to include Gundagai, I am currently working on the Nibbs, Carroll and Crowley families of there. William Carroll was a wheel wright and coach builder in Gundagai from 1870's. His step brothers were Crowley's and his wife was Mary Nibbs. Cheers, Elizabeth A. Roberts.

John Grahame has sent me copy of Wilson -Rutter email I lost Many thanks John I will look into RUTTER connection Cathy Dunn

Extract from the "Kiama Independent" of January 31st, 1867 On Saturday last, January 26, an inquest was held by the District Coroner, R. H. Owen, Esq., and a jury of five, on view of the body of Michael Hindmarsh, Esq., J. P., at his residence, Alne Bank, Gerringong. Several witnesses were examined, from whose evidence it would appear that on the morning of the day previous (the 25th) deceased had a dispute with one Elliott about some cedar he had supplied to the contractors of the manse now in course of erection at Gerringong. Words ran high and Elliott (a joiner employed by the contractor of the manse) put himself in a threatening attitude, and inviting deceased on to the road, said he would take it out of him (by fighting him). The Rev. Robert Wilson, son-in-law to deceased, was present, and by pacificatory means closed the dispute, when deceased, who was excited, went home. About seven o'clock the same evening, Elliott was crossing the property of deceased, who went towards him, and said that after the insult offered him in the morning he would not allow him to cross his paddock. The man said "thank you" and turned back. The deceased called o his son and a servant for help, as he was falling they caught him, and thinking he had fainted the son ran away to the house, which was not far distant, for water. On his return, in company with his mother and sisters, the deceased was dead. The evidence of Dr. Taylor, who was immediately sent for, was as follows: He went with all haste to the residence of deceased, and found him dead. He was of the opinion that death was caused by the sudden extraversion of blood from the rupture of a large vessel. From his knowledge of the state of deceased's health, he believed that any sudden or protracted excitement would be attended with serious consequences. He had previously known deceased to suffer from a feeble circulation of blood, arising from disease of the heart. Verdict - That deceased, Michael Hindmarsh, died from natural causes, accelerated by excitement. John Graham johngrah@ozemail.com.au GENEALOGY FROM GERRINGONG http://www.ozemail.com.au/~johngrah/

As well as being a member of this new discussion group to follow my own genealogical interests in the MAJOR'S CREEK / BRAIDWOOD area, I am also Secretary of the BRAIDWOOD & DISTRICT HISTORICAL SOCIETY. Christine Wright who contributes to this discussion group is also a Committee Member of the Society. The Society is active in GENEALOGICAL RESEARCH which is conducted by volunteer members of the Braidwood and District Historical Society. Information is drawn from indexes and information collected over many years, as well as cemetery lists transcribed by Society members. Newspapers, Council records, previous correspondence, etc form a foundation for this extensive collection. A research fee of $20 is payable in advance to the Society to cover research into a 'Basic Family Group' or 'Topic' with time expended by volunteers up to 3 hours. To make an enquiry, please forward details of your enquiry and the appropriate fee made payable to:- Braidwood & District Historical Society Inc Post Office Box 145 Braidwood, NSW 2622 email history@braidwood.net.au ___________________________________ BOOKS ALSO AVAILABLE from Braidwood & District Historical Society at the above address are:- BRAIDWOOD, DEAR BRAIDWOOD by Netta Ellis. Definitive history of Braidwood & District 214 pages. Published 1989. $25.00 plus $4.80 p&h BRAIDWOOD HERITAGE by Netta Ellis. Historical photographs with text.72 Pages. Published 1983. Revised 1986. $12.00 plus $3.00 p&h EARLY DAYS - BRAIDWOOD DISTRICT 1822-51. 17 Pages. Published 1982. by Netta Ellis. $2.50 plus $0.80 p&h. MAJOR'S CREEK MEMORIES by Ned Dunshea. 51 Pages. Published 1989. $7.50 plus $1.20 p&h HISTORY OF ARALUEN by Lindsay & Roger Thwaites. 31 pages. Reprinted 1986. $3.00 plus $1.20 p&h MONGARLOWE & THE LITTLE RIVER GOLDFIELDS. 86 pages with photographs. Published 1989. by Bruce Russell. $8.00 plus $1.20 p&h THE BRAIDWOOD/ARALUEN GOLDFIELDS. 3 pages. A concise history of the goldfields. $0.50 plus $0.45 p&h POST OFFICES & PEOPLE - Braidwood & District. by Roslyn Maddrell. 298 pages incl. copies & photographs. Pub 1996. $25.00 plus $6.50 p&h SASSAFRAS - The Parish of 60 Farms. Published 1995. by Robert Sneddon. $19.00 plus $3.00 p&h HIDDEN HISTORY by Christine Wright. A guide to using newspapers as a source of Social, Family and Local History. 34 pages. Pub 1996 $7.00 plus $0.80 p&h BRAIDWOOD GOES TO THE MOVIES by Robert Parkinson. A celebration of 100 years of screening and making motion pictures in the Braidwood District. 40 pages. Pub 1997. $8.00 plus $0.80 p&h BOOM TO BUST and BACK AGAIN - Captains Flat. 102 pages. By Susan Pryke, Janet Van Straaten & Alan Walker. $14.95 plus $3.00 p&h MOTH HUNTERS of the AUST. CAPITAL TERRITORY. 43 pages By Josephine Flood. $12.00 plus $1.20 p&h LOST MINES - REVISITED by Barry McGowan. Historic Mining of the Monaro, Southern tablelands & S.W. Slopes. 235 pages incl Maps & Photographs. Reprint 1996. $29.95 plus $5.40 p&h BUNGONIA TO BRAIDWOOD by Barry McGowan. Historical & Archeological account of the Shoalhaven & Mongarlowe Goldfields. 293 pages incl Maps & Photographs. Pub. 1996. $34.95 plus $4.80 p&h --------------------------------------------------- My own interests can be seen under <http://www.braidwood.net.au/mackenzie> Ray Mackenzie 'Pinehurst' MAJOR'S CREEK

Hi List John Graham you replied to a thread with m. or daughter of Sarah Rutter (over to you Cathy Dunn) Well I trashed it by accident Could some one send me acopy of it so I can look into the rutter connection for the list user Ta Cathy Dunn

I have discovered that an aunt of mine, Alice Isabel WILSON (born 28/11/1908), married James BLACK on 17/1/1925, (#1925/000166), most likely in North Queensland. Alice Isabel is/was an older sister of my birth mother, Jessie Arclisse (or Arkles) WILSON who was born on 12/11/1911 and married a Mr.PAUL between 2/1/1930 and 26/2/1930. I would be pleased to hear from anybody who might be able to tell me anything about them or their family. Brian Greenaway 2/46 Nation Cres., COCONUT GROVE DARWIN NT 0810

HI List I am looking for any family of Thomas Ralph and Caroline Howard married at Fairymedow Wollongong N.S.W 1862 He was a farmer she a hat maker from Liverpool N.S.W Australia. I have no info on them prier to this date.Any help will be a big help.One son John and his family moved to some place around Maitland no date on this. Also where do I go to find out about divorces 1935 to 1945 in Wollongong??????? Hope no one will get upset with this one but I have to ask it. Anyone go to Bulli High in the mid 60's???? Faith Queensland ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Hello SE NSW Frederick George RIMINGTON & wife Frances Emily nee MASTERS were in Braidwood in 1918 when their daughter Mabel was born. He was a Master Baker and an unlucky farmer. No record of him being on the land can be found for that time frame. Are there council records surving which may show him as having a bakery. He owned a bakery and tea rooms, years later in Casino which is still in use as a bakery today. Regards Jan Townsville Sunny NQ jhkers@ozemail.com.au

Hi all I live in Picton and have not only local knowledge of the area but a very large database where I have indexed about 400 books on this district. I have extracted surnames mainly but have smaller databases on Picton court records, catholic records and property names. These can be accessed for a small fee. I have also written a number of books on the area which are available for sale through me or places such as Gould Books, Macbeth's and Library of Australian History. I also conduct tours of the area during the day and do ghost hunts at night. I am willing to answer quick questions via email but for anything that may take time I need to charge as otherwise I am putting aside paid work to do it. Regards Liz Vincent - Genealogist, Historian, Writer, Tour Guide & Ghost Hunter at Historic Picton NSW Australia lizv@fastlink.com.au

I am researching the brothers George, Joseph, Henry SPICER who arrived in Australia in late 1850's to work on the property "Maxton" near Goulburn for surveyor James KINGHORN. George married Susannah BARDWELL in Hertfordshire 9 March 1857. Joseph married Charlotte SALMONS, place unknown, Henry married in Cooma, NSW, and lived in or near Tumbarumba where they raised six sons. I can send text or GEDCOM files with further info. esp. on George's family on request. Yours faithfully, Peter Berger

I have just received a birth certificate transcript for a Mary Ann BEDFORD, daughter of Edwin Bedford & Margaret LARKIN, b.1866 at Currickbilly , District of Berrima. Can someone tell me where this is please? I have looked on the Australian Gazetteer but without success and none of my maps show it. Thanks in advance. Regards, Helen Tracy Rydal NSW <http://www.lisp.com.au/~htracy>