Researching the South family from Kiama and Bombala. Would like to hear from anyone else researching this family. Laraine Goodworth

Sue, The Burrawang Fern grows in profusion in some areas and can be seen at it's best on the road down the Clyde Mountain to Bateman's Bay where it is growing in amongst the Spotted Gum and is most picturesque. I think the area there is called the Burrawang State Forest. There are several different species I think - Macrozamia communis being this one. I'm not an expert on it, but I think it is poisonous to stock. As you say it sounds a bit sus that he died from a cut inflicted by it. It is rather sharp and could give you a nasty cut, but... John McInerney COWRA NSW AUSTRALIA (Hope I'm on the map) -----Original Message----- From: Peter Hewitt <phewitt@ezylink.net.au> To: AUS-NSW-SE-L@rootsweb.com <AUS-NSW-SE-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Monday, 7 December 1998 8:54 Subject: Burrawang fern >2x Gt Grandfather is said to have died as a result of chopping down a >Burrawang fern. His death certificate states 'Vegetable poisoning in a >wound' 'By certificate of Elizabeth Walker, widow.' He (John Walker) >died 1874 at Kangaroo Valley. It all sounds a bit suspicious to me. I >found there is a Burragorang fern but cannot find a reference to a >Burrawang fern. Any horticulturalists suggest what this plant might be >or give a description? I imagine it growing in profusion and John >Walker was clearing the land when he sustained his 'wound'. > >Any suggestions appreciated. > >Sue > >______________________________

For those interested, "FLINDERSIA XANTHOXYLA ( LONG JACK): Tall straight tree, good timber species." I searched for the term Long Jack, on the Altavista search engine, by typing in "Long Jack" +Tree (The quotation marks help you find phrases, and the plus sign means that "tree" MUST appear in the document) >From the Noosa District Landcare Group Pages at.... http://www.ozemail.com.au/~ndlcare/species.htm Niall Tangney >does anyone know what species of tree the term 'long-jack' refers to ? I >came across it in an article, written in the 1940's, describing events >that occurred in the early 1890's. > >It has me, and NSW State Forests, stumped (no pun intended !). > >John Berry

Hello All, My name is Niall and I'm a very very amateur genealogist with some ancestors at Moruya from 1860, as well as a general historical interest in the South Coast region. I've decided to put my effort where my earlier email was and compile a list of cemeteries info for all towns within the region of this list. >The geographical area covered is from Helensburgh >to Moruya and inland to the Great Divide, including >Queanbeyan, Goulburn, Bowral, Picton, and Appin. (- said Cathy Dunn) Huge task perhaps, but won't take too long if everyone helps. Will put the results up for everyone to view when finished if my ISP doesn't mind. By the way I have no commercial motive for this whatsoever. I just think such a list might be useful. I would like to hear from anyone who may think that such a project IS NOT useful, or would be duplicating a list or directory that is already available somewhere. This might save me re-inventing the wheel. On the other hand, encouragement, ideas, and sources of info would be greatly appreciated. If you have info on locations of cemeteries and where transcriptions of cemetery headstones are located, whether it be in a library, church, genealogy or local history org., website etc. etc. Send ME an email and I will put it into an MsACCESS database and put (a static copy) it up on the web. PLEASE READ THE WHOLE OF THIS MESSAGE BEFORE DOING SO. However, I want to do this within one month maximum two (am very busy). That is the plan. I expect that if the 167 or so people subscribed to this list, (many of whom no doubt may live on the south coast) supply details on their local cemeteries, as Cathy did, then I will complete this list in no time at all. If there are 500 or 600 towns, in this list area, that won't be a problem. Today is the Monday 7th of December,1998. Please send information for each in the following format, because these are the field names so far in my database: Town or Place (where is the cemetery) Address Cemetery (name of the cemetery site) CemetaryCustodian (who looks after it, eg.council,church, private etc) Transcribed (yes or no, have the headstone details been transcribed?) Transcriber (who did the transcription?) Published (yes or no?) Publisher (who published it?) Date of transcription AvailableFrom (eg. which library, history society, website etc.) Other info: Now, having committed myself, I will click on the SEND button. Viva genealogy! Niall Tangney Cronulla NSW

2x Gt Grandfather is said to have died as a result of chopping down a Burrawang fern. His death certificate states 'Vegetable poisoning in a wound' 'By certificate of Elizabeth Walker, widow.' He (John Walker) died 1874 at Kangaroo Valley. It all sounds a bit suspicious to me. I found there is a Burragorang fern but cannot find a reference to a Burrawang fern. Any horticulturalists suggest what this plant might be or give a description? I imagine it growing in profusion and John Walker was clearing the land when he sustained his 'wound'. Any suggestions appreciated. Sue

Hi All, Still Tracing those Elusive Zglinicki's. I have a reference to a marriage of Charles Lawless to Blanche Zglinicki in 1915. They had one Child that I could find in 1916,"Francis Vivian Charles Lawless". Vivian married Vera Beresford in 1941. (I Think??) Any Hints, Guesses or help would be appreciated. Regards I have a list of incomplete lists. Visit My (Still under construction) Homepage at <http://www.ozemail.com.au/~ncc1701d>(UPDATED 28th NOV. 1998) or Email me mailto:ncc1701d@ozemail.com.au SEASONS GREETINGS TO YOU AND YOUR FAMILY KEN JENKINS SYDNEY AUSTRALIA

The geographical area covered is from Helensburgh to Moruya and inland to the Great Divide, including Queanbeyan, Goulburn, Bowral, Picton, and Appin. see for more details http://www.zip.com.au/~viv/aus-nsw-se.htm Cathy Dunn At 05:38 PM 12/5/98 -0800, karen rowe wrote: >Hi everyone > >I'm a new subscriber to this list, but before I start posting >anything, I would appreciate if someone could define what cities/towns >are classed as SE-NSW. > >When it comes to geographical places, I'm a bit of a dope. > >Thanks >Karen, Toowoomba, Qld > > > > > >_________________________________________________________ >DO YOU YAHOO!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > >==== AUS-NSW-SE Mailing List ==== >Genealogy and history in South-East New South Wales, Australia > > > *************************************************** Take a tour of History of Milton Ulladulla http://www.shoalhaven.net.au/~cathyd/ Search engine for site now available Jaybees Entertainment and gig guide http://www.shoalhaven.net.au/~jaybees/gigguide.html Online Pioneer Records and indexes http://www.shoalhaven.net.au/~cathyd/pioneers/ ********************************************************

Hi everyone I'm a new subscriber to this list, but before I start posting anything, I would appreciate if someone could define what cities/towns are classed as SE-NSW. When it comes to geographical places, I'm a bit of a dope. Thanks Karen, Toowoomba, Qld _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

Hello All, does anyone know what species of tree the term 'long-jack' refers to ? I came across it in an article, written in the 1940's, describing events that occurred in the early 1890's. It has me, and NSW State Forests, stumped (no pun intended !). John Berry -- "YALWAL GOLD FIELD" - a brief introduction to this historic mining area. http://www.shoal.net.au/~lberry/index.html "SHOALHAVEN MINING" - the history and heritage of Yalwal and other mining sites in the Shoalhaven area. http://members.wbs.net/homepages/j/o/h/johnhearmeroar/JOHNHOME.htm

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Subject: new querie Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 06:07:56 +1200 From: Kay Smith <Kay.Smith@xtra.co.nz> To: viv@zipworld.com.au I am interested in the VINCE surname. William came from Tasmaia (ex Norfolk) to join a ?son/daughter c 1860s, maybe Bungonia? any one researching the VInces? I have a lot of Tasmaian family history, and some leads to Norfolk UK. Kay (Please reply to Kay)

The Australian Genealogy Chat Sessions are a forum for Australian, New Zealand and Papua New Guinea Genies and others who are actively researching Genealogy and history in the Australia/pacific region. They are intended to provide a venue for you to put forward details of your research problems/deadends and to receive research assistance from other Genies. To participate, direct your IRC (Internet Relay Chat) client program to the following : Server : irc.iigs.org Port : 6667 or 7000 Channel : #Australia Date : Every Saturday. Time : 8pm Australian Eastern Standard Time, 9pm Eastern Daylight Savings Time, 6pm West Australian Time, 10am Greenwich Mean Time. A different theme (or topic) is selected each week, however, off topic questions are encouraged as well. Discussion leaders are Cathy Dunn (IRC nickname Coast) and Scott Brown (Dragonlord). http://www.shoalhaven.net.au/~cathyd/ausres.html#irc Cathy Dunn

Francis McCaffrey Collection University of Wollongong Archives D92 The information reproduced here is for personal research only and must not be copied or published in any form. The notebooks are the property of the University of Wollongong. Spelling and grammar are as found in the original handwriting. Question marks indicate that the word was not clear - if you recognise any such words please email me. Notebook #13 Part 1 119 pages Recorded 1914? Page 5 The slaying of Dr Wardell LLD Sept 1834 was a never to be forgotten event in NSWales. Two sentries named Jukes? and Bolton - three convicts, Richard Nolan, Thomas Tattersdale, Edmund Grace Jenkins. These men were either associated with the Convict Barracks or were 'half-timers' at the Quarries now Argyle Cut Sydney. Richard Nolan had a private still and he arranged with Grace and Jenkins to drug Jukes? while on sentry with rum. It was successful and Tattersdale, Grace and Jenkins escaped into the bush in September 1834. Dr Wardell was riding home from Sydney to Petersham on his charger 'Young Yorkshire' when he encountered these three men. Jenkins had private Jukes? rifle (V34!) and he shot Dr Wardell who galloped off - but his body was found next day only a hundred yards from where the fatal shot was fired. Grace informed the police - and on turning King's evidence was pardoned. Tattersdale and Jenkins were hanged. The first ploughing match was held at Bong Bong in 1828. In 1831 another ploughing match was held when 19 ploughs were in the field. In 1833 another match took place 21 competitors and the Governor gave a silver medal. What a pity the names of the ploughmen are not recorded. Page 6 The Mistletoe - Many years before the dawn of Christianity, the oak tree, and especially the mistletoe growing out of the heart of the oak, were reverenced for their supposed affinity with the sun. The Druids worshipped the sun as the one supreme God, and beleived the oak to be in some way associated with the sun because they made fire by rubbing two pieces of oak together. Twice a year the Celtic priests had a religious festival in honour of the sun in oak groves. Such was considered wisdom. Jack Ketch and Thomas Derrick were both English hangmen and have left immortal names to the English speaking world. The Right Honourable Denis Browne - Marquis of Sligo was a Sheriff. So was the Earl of Essex in the cruel days of Queen Elizabeth, a hangman. The Flying Pieman - William Francis King was born in London in 1807. His father was paymaster at Whitehall and he was intended for the Church of England. He was a sportsman - a great runner - and arrived in Sydney in 1839. He lived for a time at Sutton Forest as a tutor. He became a barman at the Hope & Anchor - Pitt and King Sts kept by Doran - and at the Rainbow Tavern. Died Liverpool Asylum 1874. Page 7 Meaning of Aboriginal place names in Illawarra Bulli Two mountain ranges Illawarra Ellowera - A pleasant place Wollongong Woolyungah - Five Islands Kiama Kiami - Fish may be caught Minnimurra Plenty fish Coolangatta Highest land Meeinderry Greenwell Point Moonah Inside Jervis Bay Cooroombong Jervis Bay - Hence Currembene Creek Ulladulla Wooladoorah - safe harbour Wandiawandian The home of the lost lovers Bundawalla Clear water, a large organ Kanmangaroo The kangaroo Wikkie Bread Kuninda Kundi A bark hut Nowra You and me, see noora Wunlabung Tomahawk Jingabulla Worrigee Where to go it is not far Budler Bandicoot Palahua Red Wallaby Coorora An opossum Burnell Black wallaby Page 8 Cambewarra Mountain of fire Terrara Scrubby place Wallum Rain Gillamagong Big house in swampy land Niooka Green hills Jeroo Aboriginal camping ground Thundagulla A flat piece of land Coomonderry A small range at spur Bilaral A boggy creek Binging The town of Berry Bunbarra A clump of trees near a creek Widgera Sand Mudgey A boat Nurragee A native dog Ulla Nulla A running creek Bingewalla Plenty bush Tullambah King of Tongarra M A Weston's opinion of the meaning of the Aboriginal place names of Illawarra is as follows: Budgong an edible moth - properly - Boogong Berrawarra Far away - in Qld south - Warra Warra Boomba Thunder Page 9 Bunberra Leache's Kingfisher Bulli or Bullai Native honey - sugar and water ?? Coomaditchy Bad water Goodarrin Native companion Jerrangong Frighten water - surf Illaroo Salt water Illawarra Water far away Jindy Andy A woman's corroberie Jamberoo The stars Kembla Two heads - properly Kahmboolla Kurrakwah A name of the crow strike Koon Bury A whirlpool Woonona Sleep Wollongong The King Fish Yamba, Moora, Wina and Wyanda each means home in a different dialect. Woondoonia means broken, hilly country; Warilda, Creek View, Booalba means view from a hill. Colboonya - Lyre bird. Page 10 Jeffery Hart Bent arrived in N.S.Wales as judge of the newly established Supreme Court. When about to open the Court in May 1815 a letter was addressed to him by Governor Macquarie transmitting petitions from persons of the names of Eagar, Crossley and Charters soliciting permission to practice as solicitors and barristers in the Supreme Court and recommending the prayer to the favourable consideration of the Judge. Eagar had been a solicitor in Dublin - Crossley and Charters were of the same class and in similar circumstances - to wit - ?? Mr Broughton - the Commissary - and Mr Riley one of Sydney's Rum Merchants were favourable - but the judge was incoc?orable. Their money pulled them through, Eagar went to law with Prosper De Mestre - Judge Barron Field was on the French. Gave a verdict in favour of De Mestre and saved him from utter ruin. Judge Field was afterward appointed Resident Judge at Gibralter. A public meeting of the emancipists was held in Sydney 23rd January 1821 - at which it was resolved to send a delegation to England to represent their interests and plead their cause. May of these men were then wealthy and powerful. Eagar and Dr Redfern tow of Macquaries emacipist magistrates Page 11 were accordingly sent home. But like the dogs of Jupiter that were sent with a petition to Jupiter for the restoration of the gift of speech, which they alleged they once possessed. Eagar never returned to the Colony to Report Progress. Dr Redfern, had been transported over the ??of the ??, returned - and the mission was successful for in October 1823 Francis Forbes was appointed first Chief Justice of N.S.Wales, and Barron Field returned to England - where he died. 1879 died - Rev John Elder aged 66. At the residency of her Son-in-law Thomas H Neale police magistrate - Hartley - Rosetta, relict of F Meurant of Seven Hills aged 84 years. A native of Parramatta - born 1795. Meurant came out in the ship Minerva - and was a shipmate of paymaster Cox 102 Regiment, Joseph Holt, Rev Fulton, Father Harold - of '98. Meurant was a transport and lived where the hotel Metropole stands. James Midgley formerly Maquaries [sic] foreman Goat Island died 1879 aged 73 years - Same year Charly James Bullivant aged 84 years - an old time publican. John Eyre - Missionary ot Miss Susan Wilshire - spinster, ?? performed by Parson ?? on August 25th 1812. -- Vivienne Caldwell viv@zipworld.com.au Wollongong NSW http://www.zip.com.au/~viv

Hello to all! Your interest and assistance in making MacLELLAN and HANLY connections would be much appreciated. I offer my apologies for the length of this posting however it is worth the effort - particularly if we're connected. Both are ancient families and I have many documents to share. Donald MacLellan was the son of John MacLellan and Christina MacPherson possibly from Inverness, Scotland. Donald MacLellan married c 1838, Ann, daughter of Peter and Sarah MacInnes. Their children [born in Scotland] were: John b. 24 April 1840. Ronald b. 21 June 1842. Lachlan b. 27 October 1843, Glasgow, Lanarkshire (HANLY connection) Ronald b. 15 May 1845. Alexander b. 30 January 1849. Christina b. 1 April 1851. Christina b. 11 July 1853. TO AUSTRALIA Towards the end of 1854, Donald and Ann MacLellan and their children [listed above] embarked on the "William Miles" out of Liverpool for Australia, arriving at Moreton Bay [Queensland] on 19 January 1855. They settled near Clifton, on the Darling Downs, near Toowoomba, Queensland. Three more children were born to this couple in Australia: Maryanne b. 8 January 1856. Donald b. 28 September 1960. William b. 20 September 1865. HANLY CONNECTION It is important at this point that I include a transcript from "Memorials of the Dead Vol.II". It reads: "Erected to the memory of the ancient family of Kilmacor by Patrick Hanly. The mother's names for four generations were Anne DUFFICY, Kate Cline, Margaret O'Farrell, Anne O'Hanly, Mable McLouglin, Jane O'Connor. Also in fond memory of John Hanly 50 years and his children, James Hanly 68 years, Bridget Hanly 70 Richard 34, Jane 57, Kate 56, Also his affectionate wife Ellen Hanly 64 years, Their daughter Mary 18, his uncles, Martin Hanly, Rev. James Hanly, PP, Fairymount. O'Hanly Family Tomb O Lord be merciful to - soul of Corm[ack] Hanly and Mary Hanly late of Tuam, who died in 1750 and ... erected by their son John, in memory of them and of their parents in 1764". HANLY / MACLELLAN CONNECTION - Australia Lachlan MacLELLAN married Mary Anne HANLY [born c. 1846, daughter of John HANLY and Anne DUFFICY of Kilmacor, County Roscommon, Ireland] on 28 September 1873, at the RC Presbytery, Toowoomba, Queensland, Australia. Witnesses to the marriage were Delia HANLY and Michael CONNOLLY. Children of Lachlan MacLELLAN and Mary Anne HANLY were: Richard Alexander b. 19 July 1874 [my husband's grandfather] Mary Jane b. 4 October 1875. John Robert b. 11 April 1877. Theresa Anne b. 4 December 1878 Cecilia b. 1881. Joseph Stephen b. 1886. Richard Alexander MacLELLAN married Margaret HYNES, daughter of Michael Hynes and Anne Smith on the 10 September 1902. Their children were: John Raymond b. 28 January 1903. Robert Emmet b. 9 March 1906. Catherine Cecilia b. 21 April 1907. m. John Robert Tracey [husband's parents] Mary Agnes b. 20 September 1909. m. Colin Jenkinson. Therese b. ? m. Ken Axleson. Thank you for taking the time to read this rather long and involved saga. Both Michael and I would appreciate your help and interest in establishing family connections. Kind regards, Jennifer Jennifer Lambert Tracey Historical Archaeologist Cultural Heritage Research Centre UNIVERSITY OF CANBERRA Tel. / Fax (02) 6295 6795 Mobile Tel. 0419 011 860 e-mail: jtracey@ozemail.com.au http://www.ozemail.com.au/~jtracey/

We are researching John Joseph CAMPBELL who was the first mayor of Wingecarribee now Bowral. If anyone knows of any research material or the location of any relatives, it would br most appreciated. **************************************************************************** Barrie & Wendy LOITERTON near Sydney, Australia Researching LOITERTON in Australia from 1853 and prior in Lincolnshire and Cambridgeshire in England. Name variations include LIGHTETON.. LIGHTERTON. and possibly LIGHTON Locations include Tathwell, Walpole St. Peter, Upwell, Outwell, Ely, Wisbech, Holbeach, Lutton and The Marsh. Earliest known is Prudence Lighteton who married John Rogger in 1593 at Tathwell near Louth in Lincolnshire. Other names being researched include SHELFORD..MARSHAL(L)..BUFFHAM..WILESMITH..SHEATHER. .BRODERICK..BUNCH..SINDALL..VICKERS.. in UK and SCULLY..RYAN and SEXTON in Ireland Click here to see our Homepages at http://www.hinet.net.au/~jblstat/loitsearch.html Email us on jblstat@hinet.net.au ****************************************************************************

John, >First family:- John and Christopher Hetherington >arrived via the CRESCENT 1840 a property name >of Riversdale at Kiama seems to have been their >base. John HETHERINGTON (c1820-1857) m. Jane GRAY (sister to George GRAY, overseer of "Riversdale" and the subject of some discussion in this list a couple of weeks back). Christopher HETHERINGTON (1826-1897) m. Elizabeth STEWART, and moved to Orange shortly after. Both these families are detailed in the IFHG "Illawarra Pioneers" Pre-1900. A researcher to contact is Mrs C Feiss, 37 Myee St, Kanahooka 2530. > >Second family:- William and Margaret (Nee Ramsey) GRAY >arrived via the WILSON 1842 this family married into >the Hetherington family. a George GRAY was the overseer >at Riversdale. William GRAY (1800-1874) was the son of John GRAY and Mary HETHERINGTON, and brother to fellow immigrants Francis, Henry, Hugh (GRAY), George (GREY), Jane (HETHERINGTON), and Mary Ann (WILSON). Again, same book for details. Best researcher to contact on the GRAY/GREY family is Ross Wilson, 34 Cooke Ave, Alstonville 2477. John John Graham johngrah@ozemail.com.au GENEALOGY FROM GERRINGONG http://www.ozemail.com.au/~johngrah/

Hello Vivienne, Browsing through your Illawarra WW1 Volunteers List - & noticed the name NEAVES 1) Alfred Ernest 2) Henry Ernest 3) Ned I’d be most grateful if you had any further information you could let me have please. Both Alfred & Henry were my 1C2R - I’m not sure where Ned fits in. My only information on them is: - Alfred Ernest was born 1891 to Charles Neaves & Emma Jane (nee Massey) in Wollongong and died 1915 (WW1) - Henry Herbert was born 1892, to Charles Neaves & Emma Jane (nee Massey) in Wollongong, married Ida Jones, 1921 in Sydney and died 1933 in Canterbury, Sydney I’d like to say how much I enjoyed your article “Frank McCaffrey #1” (28/11/1998) - I am looking forward to any future instalments. Keep up the great job - embarrassingly, I’m one of your silent majority - I only returned from Salt Lake City the day I found AUS-NSW-SE-L - I’m still trying to plod through that info before I list an enquiry! Best wishes, Jan McElroy, Randwick, NSW I tried to send message via "Vivienne@magna.com.au" and failed

Hi Group, My first post to the list. I have James JOHNSTONE/JOHNSON convict from Stafford, England, per "Guildford" 1826 and Margaret ROURKE nee McDONALD convict from Wicklow, Ireland per "Brothers" 1826. Both working for Mr Badgery at Sutton Forest in the 1828 Census. They married 1832 at Sutton Forest, children Sarah born 1829, Catherine born circa 1833 (my line) and Margaret born ?. Sarah married Michael KEEFFE/O'KEEFE in 1845, Catherine married Thomas GOUGH in 1848, son of James GOUGH convict per "Earl Spencer" 1813 and Mary SHERWIN. Margaret's brother James McDONALD and family were also in the area. Would love to hear from anyone with an interest in these names. Regards Robyn Mt Pritchard NSW

Hello All, This is our first posting to the list. Having been born in Nowra, most of our research is in that area. We are looking for any information on convict great great grandfather James ALLEN. So far, we haven't been able to find out when he was transported. At the time of his marriage on 18 January, 1850 to Ann DUNSTAR, he appears to have been at Jamberoo. The witnesses on the certificate were John & Catherine Ritchie. We have discovered three children, John, George Benjamin & Sarah. He later worked as a fencer on the Cooloongatta Estate. He died on 30 July, 1894 at Greenwell Point aged 76 years. Any further information or help would be appreciated. Regards, John & Annette Morton-Allen jmortona@tpgi.com.au Researching: ALLEN/ALLAN, DUNSTAR, STADDEN

Hi All, Before I part with any hard earned cash Does Any one on the list have any knowledge of a the house renumbering in Wentworth road Burwood. I think the renumbering took place between 1940 and 1960. I have contacted the records office at the local council chambers and the only information I could get from the very young and enthusiastic clerk that received my call is that I would have to pay there exorbitant fee before they could tell me anything. Any help would be appreciated. Regards I have a list of incomplete lists. Visit My (Still under construction) Homepage at <http://www.ozemail.com.au/~ncc1701d>(UPDATED 28th NOV. 1998) or Email me mailto:ncc1701d@ozemail.com.au KEN JENKINS SYDNEY AUSTRALIA