Hello there! I trust you are having a very pleasant few days of Christmas Cheer! I have made some progress in my search for details of the WOODHOUSE family who settled on a property at Gunning NSW c. 1835. Hopefully this additional information may assist in making connections with descendants. Some early Grants by Purchase listings name an Elizabeth WOODHOUSE of Campbelltown as being granted by purchase, on 23 August 1835, 1030 acres, Portion 6, Parish of Garway, County of King. An earlier Grant by Purchase had been made to G. M. WOODHOUSE on 26 July 1834, 500 acres, Portion 7, Parish of Garway, County of King. These blocks are on the Lachlan River and adjoin the property I am researching named "Baltinglass" which was taken up by Samuel CLAYTON of Sydney on 15 January 1839. Baltinglass subsequently passed to Samuel CLAYTONS son, Benjamin CLAYTON, a medical practitioner. In 1853, Benjamin CLAYTON sold "Baltinglass" to James WYSE. If anyone knows of any connections to the WOODHOUSE, CLAYTON or WYSE/WISE families, I would very much appreciate your assistance. Kind regards, Jennifer *********************************************************************** Jennifer Lambert Tracey Historical Archaeologist Cultural Heritage Research Centre UNIVERSITY OF CANBERRA, AUSTRALIA Tel. / Fax (02) 6295 6795 Mobile Tel. 0419 011 860 e-mail: jtracey@ozemail.com.au http://www.ozemail.com.au/~jtracey/ ***********************************************************************

Hi Niall Tangney If you go to the NSW - SE website you'll see that we as a group have already got the ball moving on the topic below Sorry for the delayed reply - computer upgrade - now sorting out emails Cathy Dunn At 09:52 PM 12/7/98 +1100, Niall wrote: >Hello All, >My name is Niall and I'm a very very amateur genealogist with some ancestors >at Moruya from 1860, as well as a general historical interest in the South >Coast region. >I've decided to put my effort where my earlier email was and compile a list >of cemeteries info for all towns within the region of this list. > >>The geographical area covered is from Helensburgh >>to Moruya and inland to the Great Divide, including >>Queanbeyan, Goulburn, Bowral, Picton, and Appin. >(- said Cathy Dunn) > >Huge task perhaps, but won't take too long if everyone helps. Will put the >results up for everyone to view when finished if my ISP doesn't mind. >By the way I have no commercial motive for this whatsoever. >I just think such a list might be useful. >I would like to hear from anyone who may think that such a project IS NOT >useful, or would be duplicating a list or directory that is already >available somewhere. This might save me re-inventing the wheel. On the >other hand, encouragement, ideas, and sources of info would be greatly >appreciated. > >If you have info on locations of cemeteries and where transcriptions of >cemetery headstones are located, >whether it be in a library, church, genealogy or local history org., website >etc. etc. Send ME an email and I will put it into an MsACCESS database and >put (a static copy) it up on the web. PLEASE READ THE WHOLE OF THIS MESSAGE >BEFORE DOING SO. >However, I want to do this within one month maximum two (am very busy). >That is the plan. >I expect that if the 167 or so people subscribed to this list, (many of >whom no doubt may live on the south coast) supply details on their local >cemeteries, >as Cathy did, then I will complete this list in no time at all. >If there are 500 or 600 towns, in this list area, that won't be a problem. >Today is the Monday 7th of December,1998. > >Please send information for each in the following format, >because these are the field names so far in my database: > >Town or Place (where is the cemetery) >Address >Cemetery (name of the cemetery site) >CemetaryCustodian (who looks after it, eg.council,church, private etc) >Transcribed (yes or no, have the headstone details been transcribed?) >Transcriber (who did the transcription?) >Published (yes or no?) >Publisher (who published it?) >Date of transcription >AvailableFrom (eg. which library, history society, website etc.) >Other info: > > >Now, having committed myself, I will click on the SEND button. > >Viva genealogy! > >Niall Tangney >Cronulla NSW > > > > > >==== AUS-NSW-SE Mailing List ==== >History and genealogy in South-East New South Wales, Australia > > > Cathy Dunn Internet Family History Association of Australia (IFHAA) Official Launch of the IFHAA Web site - 1 January 1999 The Australia Genealogical message board at http://www.InsideTheWeb.com/messageboard/mbs.cgi/mb5856 The Australian Convict Message Board is at http://www.InsideTheWeb.com/messageboard/mbs.cgi/mb80720 IFHAA On line classes at http://www.shoalhaven.net.au/~cathyd/austmenu.html

Hello All, Yesterday I visited the Berry Historical Society Museum in Queen St, (Princes Highway) Berry, and enjoyed looking at all the exhibits about the local area in the many different rooms and backyard of the Museum. I purchased a book for $7.50 called "Historic Sites of Berry", which was written by Mary L. Lidbetter, and published by the Berry and District Historical Society Inc.(ISBN 0 9595386 1 5) The book mentions a Charles Robinson's butcher shop as existing prior to the 1890's in the town, and this reminded me of an earlier posting to the list about a Charles Robinson of Bulli. (Bulli is not too far away). Perhaps this might be a connection for the person who was trying to trace that Charles Robinson, perhaps not. I'm not sure how many Charles Robinson's were walking around in NSW at the time! ""Historic sites of Berry" has an excellent name index ( and I can empathise with John Graham's earlier sentiment - "why do people write books without indexes?!"), historic photographs and descriptions of places around the area. Also at the Museum is a folder within an alphabetical list of all names of people buried at the local cemetery. Niall Tangney Cronulla NSW

I am seeking Elizabeth WELSH b. c. 1816 South Creek Camden NSW Aust M. 26th September 1860 to Thomas HOLLANDS D. 31st December 1894 Nerriga NSW Aust. Also Elizabeth's Parents Father - William WELSH Mother - Eleanor RICE b. c.1790 Ireland William and Eleanor were married in about 1815 Sydney NSW Aust. Eleanor died 30th November 1874 at Mittagong NSW Aust. All information greatly appreciated Kathie

Hi John, >>Would anyone be able to tell me if Dapto in the 1830s was part of >>the Windsor District. --------snip----------------- >Almost certainly not. I don't have a map of the original Nineteen Counties to check, but without much doubt Liverpool (at least) would be between >Windsor and the Illawarra. -------snip------------------ I tend to agree with the overwhelming response I've received, I've got the wrong man. Unless I can locate some reference to the John McDermott in Windsor being sent to Dapto. ------snip-------------------- John McDermott is mentioned in the Larkin book, Ireland to Illawarra as being a convict worker on the property. ------snip------------------- >Do you have any details on the location of Galway Farm? I have a copy of "Nineteenth Century Dapto" published by the Illawarra HS in 1976 which lists the pre-1840 grants, and there is no mention of either Galway Farm or Peter Larkin. -----snip------------------- I don't have very much information on the Larkin property Galway Farm. When I was in Nowra last month I visited the library and located a book titled History Of The Web Family by Bessie Fackender. I was surprised to read that a Web family member had married a granddaughter of Peter Larkin. According to the book, in 1835 Peter Larkin applied for a land purchase of 164 acres at Dapto, the purchase price being £41. The land later became "Galway Farm". Unfortunately I don't know exactly where in Dapto Galway Farm was located, but I would love to know. Best wishes, Terri BRYAN bryan@nor.com.au Yamba NSW Australia

Hi Viv and listers, Thank you for the information from the Illawarra Pioneers re: McDermott and Larkin. I have the pre 1920 edition of this book and the John McDermott/Margaret O'Neil mentioned are my ggg grandparents. I wrote to the gentleman who submitted this entry but he is not directly connected. He has submitted many names in the book but does not reply to any mail. As you mentioned John McDermott is not listed in the 1841 census, at least not by name. There were two convict workers on the Larkin property, both holding tickets of leave and the age group fits in with 'my' John. So I'm assuming (I know you should never assume) that it's him. Terry Bugg tends to agree. According to the Larkin book 'Ireland to Illawarra' it says in part "Peter Larkin has sponsored many friends and relatives to the Colony and was a 'Patron to his friends and family and was noted as sponsor on many baptisms in the area including his convict worker John McDermott.." This is in fact correct, John McDermott was baptised RC in Dapto in 1839 (as an adult) and the sponsors were Peter Larkin and Mary Gilmore. It does look at though the John McDermott who was in Windsor is the wrong one. Oh well, back to square one (do not pass go, can I collect the $200?). Thanks again for your help with this, Best wishes, Terri BRYAN bryan@nor.com.au Yamba NSW Australia -----Original Message----- From: Vivienne Caldwell <viv@zip.com.au> To: AUS-NSW-SE-L@rootsweb.com <AUS-NSW-SE-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, 27 December 1998 6:00 Subject: LARKIN and McDERMOTT >A little additional information. > >There was a John McDermott in the Illawarra during the 1840s, I don't >know about the 1830s but it is possible. He married Margaret O'Neill in >1841 and had children in Wollongong and Jamberoo between 1844 and 1853. >(Illawarra Pioneers pre 1920) > >Peter Larkin b c1787 Galway, arrived Sydney 1821, convict per John >Barry. Sentenced to life for sedition and burglary. Granted a >conditional pardon 23 September 1834. Received a grant of land in 1836 >which became the nucleus of Galway Farm. (Illawarra Pioneers pre 1900) > >If anyone would like to contact the people who submitted these entries >in the IFHG Pioneer Series please email me and I will send you their >details. > >Viv > >-- >Vivienne Caldwell >viv@zipworld.com.au >Wollongong NSW >http://www.zip.com.au/~viv > > >==== AUS-NSW-SE Mailing List ==== >History and genealogy in South-East New South Wales, Australia > >

A little additional information. There was a John McDermott in the Illawarra during the 1840s, I don't know about the 1830s but it is possible. He married Margaret O'Neill in 1841 and had children in Wollongong and Jamberoo between 1844 and 1853. (Illawarra Pioneers pre 1920) Peter Larkin b c1787 Galway, arrived Sydney 1821, convict per John Barry. Sentenced to life for sedition and burglary. Granted a conditional pardon 23 September 1834. Received a grant of land in 1836 which became the nucleus of Galway Farm. (Illawarra Pioneers pre 1900) If anyone would like to contact the people who submitted these entries in the IFHG Pioneer Series please email me and I will send you their details. Viv -- Vivienne Caldwell viv@zipworld.com.au Wollongong NSW http://www.zip.com.au/~viv

Hi Terri > Would anyone be able to tell me if Dapto in the 1830s was part of > the Windsor District. Dapto would have been most likely within Illawarra as John has pointed out. > > My ggg grandfather, John McDermott was transported to NSW in 1832 and > apparently he was sent to work for Peter Larkin on his property Galway Farm > in Dapto for five years. John McDermott is mentioned in the Larkin book, > Ireland to Illawarra as being a convict worker on the property. John McDermott is not listed in the 1841 Census of the Illawarra. Peter Larkin is, and the address is written as Galaway, Dapto. Viv -- Vivienne Caldwell viv@zipworld.com.au Wollongong NSW http://www.zip.com.au/~viv

Terri, >Would anyone be able to tell me if Dapto in the 1830s was part of >the Windsor District. Almost certainly not. I don't have a map of the original Nineteen Counties to check, but without much doubt Liverpool (at least) would be between Windsor and the Illawarra. My g2-gf's ToL (from 1839) has 'Wollongong" written on the stub in the AO records, and he was then living at Hussar Farm at West Dapto - my bet is that Dapto in the 1830s would have come under Wollongong. >My ggg grandfather, John McDermott was transported to NSW in 1832 and >apparently he was sent to work for Peter Larkin on his property Galway Farm >in Dapto for five years. John McDermott is mentioned in the Larkin book, >Ireland to Illawarra as being a convict worker on the property. Do you have any details on the location of Galway Farm? I have a copy of "Nineteenth Century Dapto" published by the Illawarra HS in 1976 which lists the pre-1840 grants, and there is no mention of either Galway Farm or Peter Larkin. Have also scanned Cousins' "Garden of NSW" and McCaffery's "History of Illawarra" - again no references (why did these people write books without indexes!). The only reference I can find to either is in the brown IFHG PR, submitted by S Fackender of Dapto. John John Graham johngrah@ozemail.com.au GENEALOGY FROM GERRINGONG http://www.ozemail.com.au/~johngrah/

I have found a web site that interests me in regards my family name but it is in German. Is there a way I can translate it to English. Kathie

Hi Terri and Bryan I'm no expert but I have done a bit of work on my husband's 12 convicts and also indexed all the Picton Bench books. The districts I gather were police districts. Windsor is a long way from Dapto and there are several districts in between so if he was restricted to Windsor, the only way he sould be in Dapto without an official re-assignment out of area was if Larkin had a property in each district and he was sent between them depending on the amount of work at the time on each property. One of my hubby's convicts was assigned to Camden but he often went to the master's property at Yass for harvesting. A lot of assignments were not registered in Sydney. In the Picton Bench Books, it seemed there was a register of likely masters at the Bench. Quite often you see notations of a convict returned to govt and re-assigned to someone else in the area. Also I noticed in the Bench Books when one master had a lot of work on he borrowed convicts from another landowner. This was only registered when a convict was being naughty and brought up to the Bench for punishment. I would seriously consider you may well have the wrong man. Were there more than one convict John McDERMOTTs? Was the John MCDERMOTT in Dapto definitely a convict? Regards Liz Vincent - at Historic Picton NSW Australia lizv@fastlink.com.au ---------- > From: Terri BRYAN & Bryan GARVEY <bryan@nor.com.au> > To: AUS-NSW-SE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Was Dapto part of Windsor 1830s? > Date: Sunday, 27 December 1998 13:17 > > Hi to all on the list, hope your Christmas was a happy one. > > Would anyone be able to tell me if Dapto in the 1830s was part of > the Windsor District. > > My ggg grandfather, John McDermott was transported to NSW in 1832 and > apparently he was sent to work for Peter Larkin on his property Galway Farm > in Dapto for five years. John McDermott is mentioned in the Larkin book, > Ireland to Illawarra as being a convict worker on the property. > > John McDermott has left a fairly good paper trail but so far there is no > mention of him working on the Larkin property. After his arrival at Port > Jackson in 1832 John was supposed to have been sent to Port Macquarie on the > ship Isabella but his name was crossed off the list and noted beside it was > written "not to be sent." From the various Colonial Secretary's > correspondence on him, it would seem that he was held aboard the hulk > Phoenix for a time and in 1834 was part of a road party in Port Macquarie. > > John McDermott received his ticket of leave in 1837 and it stated "Allowed > to remain in the District of Windsor on recommendation of Port Macquarie > Bench." Nowhere is there mention of him working for Peter Larkin in Dapto. > Did the Windsor District encompass Dapto or (God forbid!!) do I have the > wrong man?? > > Any assistance or ideas would be appreciated. > > Best wishes, > > Terri BRYAN > bryan@nor.com.au > Yamba NSW Australia > > Researching: > Bryan, Curry/Currie, Davis, Lucas, > McDermott/McDiarmid, McPherson, > Machin, Norman, O'Neil, Pickford, > Pomeroy, Ruthven, Ryan, Soldi, > Stokes,Taylor, Valbusa, Vinco. > > > ==== AUS-NSW-SE Mailing List ==== > History and genealogy in South-East New South Wales, Australia >

I received a birth certificate recently but I have been unable to figure out one of the surnames. It looks like it may be TEVOHEY - TWOHEY - TEUOHEY or maybe I'm totally wrong. The birthplace is Limerick Ireland. The certificate is the birth of Maria GEARIN b. 1862 in Australia the father is Patrick GEARIN b. Limerick Ireland and the Mother is Johanna ????????????(the surname I can't figure) b. Limerick Ireland. Any ideas anyone? Cheers! Kathie

Hi to all on the list, hope your Christmas was a happy one. Would anyone be able to tell me if Dapto in the 1830s was part of the Windsor District. My ggg grandfather, John McDermott was transported to NSW in 1832 and apparently he was sent to work for Peter Larkin on his property Galway Farm in Dapto for five years. John McDermott is mentioned in the Larkin book, Ireland to Illawarra as being a convict worker on the property. John McDermott has left a fairly good paper trail but so far there is no mention of him working on the Larkin property. After his arrival at Port Jackson in 1832 John was supposed to have been sent to Port Macquarie on the ship Isabella but his name was crossed off the list and noted beside it was written "not to be sent." From the various Colonial Secretary's correspondence on him, it would seem that he was held aboard the hulk Phoenix for a time and in 1834 was part of a road party in Port Macquarie. John McDermott received his ticket of leave in 1837 and it stated "Allowed to remain in the District of Windsor on recommendation of Port Macquarie Bench." Nowhere is there mention of him working for Peter Larkin in Dapto. Did the Windsor District encompass Dapto or (God forbid!!) do I have the wrong man?? Any assistance or ideas would be appreciated. Best wishes, Terri BRYAN bryan@nor.com.au Yamba NSW Australia Researching: Bryan, Curry/Currie, Davis, Lucas, McDermott/McDiarmid, McPherson, Machin, Norman, O'Neil, Pickford, Pomeroy, Ruthven, Ryan, Soldi, Stokes,Taylor, Valbusa, Vinco.

Hello Everyone I have just completed the first pass at a new index of over 1250 names from the early days of the Robertson / Burrawang / Kangaroo Valley areas of the NSW Southern Highlands. It is freely available at: www.southernx.com.au/whatsnew.html I know there will be errors and omissions but as I said, this is what I consider the first draft. I would welcome comments, suggestions and contributions from anyone with interests in these areas and this probably best done direct to my email: max@southernx.com.au Regards and best wishes for 1999 Max Carrick -- Southern Cross Genealogy Australia's National I.S.P. for Genealogists and Historians www.southernx.com.au Freecall 1800 882 884 for connection

Hi, Compliments of the Season - A Happy Christmas to all. Barrie & Wendy **************************************************************************** Barrie & Wendy LOITERTON near Sydney, Australia Researching LOITERTON in Australia from 1853 and prior in Lincolnshire and Cambridgeshire in England. Name variations include LIGHTETON.. LIGHTERTON. and possibly LIGHTON Locations include Tathwell, Walpole St. Peter, Upwell, Outwell, Ely, Wisbech, Holbeach, Lutton and The Marsh. Earliest known is Prudence Lighteton who married John Rogger in 1593 at Tathwell near Louth in Lincolnshire. Other names being researched include SHELFORD..MARSHAL(L)..BUFFHAM..WILESMITH..SHEATHER. .BRODERICK..BUNCH..SINDALL..VICKERS.. in UK and SCULLY..RYAN and SEXTON in Ireland Click here to see our Homepages at http://www.hinet.net.au/~jblstat/loitsearch.html Email us on jblstat@hinet.net.au ****************************************************************************

Christmas Greetings from New Zealand ... the first country to see the sun and the first to welcome Christmas Day of 1998. Santa Claus came directly from the North Pole to visit us and was right on time as he flew out in his sleigh over the Tsman Sea towards Australia. By now we have been to church, exchanged gifts and opened our presents. The barbecue lunch is over and we are enjoying a rest in the bonds of family on this balmy summer afternoon. Santa Claus will have passed through many time zones and be reaching Europe as we prepare a light evening meal.. May your hearts be filled with the joy of Christmas and may you carry that spirit of love with you throughout the year. 'God bless us, every one.' Vanya Rothwell in New Zealand's Paradise, the West Coast

On this Christmas Eve may I take this opportunity to wish you one and all, the most wonderful Christmas blessings of good health and happiness. May your lives, and those of the ones you love, be filled with peace and prosperity in 1999. To new friends, and all the kind and generous people I have had the pleasure to meet as a member of this list, may we have the pleasure of each others' company for years to come. Jennifer *********************************************************************** Jennifer Lambert Tracey Historical Archaeologist Cultural Heritage Research Centre UNIVERSITY OF CANBERRA, AUSTRALIA Tel. / Fax (02) 6295 6795 Mobile Tel. 0419 011 860 e-mail: jtracey@ozemail.com.au http://www.ozemail.com.au/~jtracey/ ***********************************************************************

the following out-of-print title "Kiama through the years : G'day John No, I haven't heard of it either....but if you find one, can you buy two? <g> Happy Christmas Max Carrick Southern Cross Genealogy Australia's National I.S.P. for Genealogists and Historians www.southernx.com.au Freecall 1800 882 884 for connection

Hi everyone, I am new to the list and are researching the following surnames in NSW. ALVIS - Cootamundra, Sydney 1860+ REILLY - Goulburn (Tirrana Co. Argylle) 1860+ MONKS - Goulburn 1890+ TODKILL - Goulburn, Longreach Co. Argylle 1850+ BATTEN - Longreach Co. Argylle 1854+ Can anyone tell me where Longreach Co Argylle NSW was located?? I have not been able to locate on a map. Linda Monks New Zealand ------------------------------------------------- Linda Monks Voice: (64) 9 8176551 fax: (64) 9 8176551 email: linda.monks@xtra.co.nz -----------------------------------------------------

Hi all Had a peek at the new page and map. Looks great. There are lots more societies up Picton, Camden and Campbelltown way. You have probably seen me refer to my specialist indexes which contain most cemetery transcripts for the above towns and districts. I have a large number, mostly purchased or donated. If any list member wants a lookup in any transcripts from the above area, I am happy to do so if it is only going to take a few minutes. The transcripts are in areas from Appin to Bargo to Berrima to Burragorang to Picton to Camden to Campbelltown and even further north towards Penrith. Have a great day tomorrow and may every day in 1999 be xmas. Regards Liz Vincent - at Historic Picton NSW Australia lizv@fastlink.com.au