New to the list. These two people are my wish come true. David SMITH b. 1800 Wapping, London, was a convict, convicted of larceny and transported to New South Wales in 1818. David Smith is known, as the first white settler in Kiama, he was a cedar getter and, went on to become one of Kiama's respected citizens. His wife Ann DAVIS was also a convict. Ann DAVIS b. 1805 Aberystwyth, Wales, Ann was indicted for stealing in 1829 and arrived in New South Wales in 1830. David Smith and Ann Davis were married in 1832 their known children were: baptised Elizabeth Smith 1834, Mary Ann Smith 1834, William Charles Smith born 12 Dec 1836, and David Smith born 13 May1838. If anybody is interested in these people please contact me, as I have a lot of information on their lives in Kiama. Regards Rhonda Newell Terrigal, New South Wales.

Hi Tony Contact Nepean Family History Society re UPTONs. I was in contact with someone researching UPTONs years ago but I can't remember how or why now. I am sure though that the Nepean Society can help you. Ralph Reid's Directory gives the following address: P.O. Box 81 Emu Plains NSW 2750 Phone 02 4735 4394 I imagine they would be on email by now, perhaps someone else knows the email address. Regards Liz Vincent - at Historic Picton NSW Australia lizv@fastlink.com.au ---------- > From: Tony Stevens <welby@hinet.net.au> > To: AUS-NSW-SE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Goulburn > Date: Monday, 11 January 1999 15:23 > > Hi All > > Is there anyone interested in or know about the surnames Stevens and Upton. > I'm looking for any Stevens family from Goulburn, Yass and Boorowa whose > g/grandparents were Edwin Stevens b: 3 Mar 1857 in Orange and Rebecca > Ritchie b: 1860 in Crookwell/Goulburn area. > They had 1 girl and 5 boys. One of the sons Leslie C.E Stevens married > Olive Pollard of Goulburn in 1913 at Goulburn. > The Upton family came from around the Hawksbury / Penrith area. > Any information welcomed. > Regards > Tony Stevens (Boorowa & Mittagong) > welby@hinet.net.au > > > ==== AUS-NSW-SE Mailing List ==== > History and genealogy in South-East New South Wales, Australia >

Hi Rhonda Welcome aboard. Great to hear you're still researching. I haven't had anyone else access BAMFORD in my index since you did back in 1995. The Picton court record films we took some cases from are all now at Campbelltown Library if you want to get the rest. I donated the seven films to go with the indexes they purchased. Other researchers of this area may be interested to know that. It means they no longer have to go through me to copy off cases. They are not on public access. You will need to ask for them. Regards Liz Vincent - at Historic Picton NSW Australia lizv@fastlink.com.au ---------- > From: newell <newell@tac.com.au> > To: AUS-NSW-SE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Campbelltown/Picton; BAMFORD, 1841. > Date: Monday, 11 January 1999 14:57 > > Hello! > > I'm new so please bear with me. My interests are family history and local > history.My first posting is for my BAMFORD line. Charles and Ann Bamford > arrived in New South Wales, 1841 on the ship United Kingdom with their four > children Frederick aged 16years, Edwin aged 7years, Emma aged 5years, and > Ruth aged 3 years, (Ruth is my line). Charles and Ann had another seven > children born Campbelltown and Picton, Mary 1842, Charles 1846, Ann 1848, > Thomas, Matilda, Vistula, Alfred, last birth dates are unknown. > > Charles Bamford was a verger at St Peters Church Campbelltown 1843, Charles > Bamford was appointed a constable at Narellan July 1, 1847. Particulars > recorded 1852 have him, as a mounted constable at Campbelltown, while > living at Picton he retired on a pension as a District Constable in March > 1862. I have quite a lot of information on the Bamord family in Australia, > if anyone is interested. > > Rhonda Newell > Terrigal, New South Wales. > > > ==== AUS-NSW-SE Mailing List ==== > AUS-NSW-SE pages - http://www.zip.com.au/~viv/aus-nsw-se.htm >

Hi All Is there anyone interested in or know about the surnames Stevens and Upton. I'm looking for any Stevens family from Goulburn, Yass and Boorowa whose g/grandparents were Edwin Stevens b: 3 Mar 1857 in Orange and Rebecca Ritchie b: 1860 in Crookwell/Goulburn area. They had 1 girl and 5 boys. One of the sons Leslie C.E Stevens married Olive Pollard of Goulburn in 1913 at Goulburn. The Upton family came from around the Hawksbury / Penrith area. Any information welcomed. Regards Tony Stevens (Boorowa & Mittagong) welby@hinet.net.au

Hello! I'm new so please bear with me. My interests are family history and local history.My first posting is for my BAMFORD line. Charles and Ann Bamford arrived in New South Wales, 1841 on the ship United Kingdom with their four children Frederick aged 16years, Edwin aged 7years, Emma aged 5years, and Ruth aged 3 years, (Ruth is my line). Charles and Ann had another seven children born Campbelltown and Picton, Mary 1842, Charles 1846, Ann 1848, Thomas, Matilda, Vistula, Alfred, last birth dates are unknown. Charles Bamford was a verger at St Peters Church Campbelltown 1843, Charles Bamford was appointed a constable at Narellan July 1, 1847. Particulars recorded 1852 have him, as a mounted constable at Campbelltown, while living at Picton he retired on a pension as a District Constable in March 1862. I have quite a lot of information on the Bamord family in Australia, if anyone is interested. Rhonda Newell Terrigal, New South Wales.

Hi all, I have a list of all passengers from the following ships South Carolina sailed from Liverpool 14 April, 1855 Miles Barton sailed from Liverpool 4 May 1854 Emigrant sailed from London 22 January 1833 Please email me for look-ups Judith LYON Cronulla. NSW

Hi everyone I trust you all had a great Christmas and New Year. Santa hopefully delivered that new computer equipment you wanted and threw in few lost relatives for good measure! He was nice to me - I got some of both. So what is new to the list??? Subscribers and Messages We now have almost 200 subscribers, but you are still shy. Please tell us about your families in the region if you haven't posted yet. If you have posted before consider a re-post as many new members will not have seen your original query. If you are new and want to see what has been posted to the list you can search the AUS-NSW-SE archives by going to: http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl Enter the name of the list, AUS-NSW-SE, and then you will be able to enter keywords. Alternatively if you want to just have a look through previous digests I have them all and can forward copies to anyone who wants them. Contact me directly please. Photo Gallery Judging by the number of hits to my web pages many of you will have already found the infant photo gallery. Due to some bad links that had to be sorted out I hadn't announced it to the list yet. John Graham has kindly checked it again and tells me it is 'working like a bought one', we know what he means, but my experience with 'bought' things lately isn't good! I will be adding more photos in the coming weeks but if you have one you would like to see there please send it to me. But only if you own it, not those pinched from other sites please!! Eventually I would like to have at least one photo from every town in south east NSW in the photo gallery. Frank McCaffrey Frank will come out of hibernation and return on Friday this week - his excerpts that is, the man himself is unfortunately in a permanent sleep. Don't forget comments, questions, contributions and suggestions are always welcome. Happy researching Viv -- Vivienne Caldwell viv@zipworld.com.au Wollongong NSW http://www.zip.com.au/~viv AUS-NSW-SE Mailing List http://www.zip.com.au/~viv/aus-nsw-se.htm

My understanding is that Freehold was ownership of land purchased outright as distinct from land under lease - leasehold. Regards Liz Vincent - at Historic Picton NSW Australia lizv@fastlink.com.au ---------- > From: linda.monks <lindam@xtra.co.nz> > To: AUS-NSW-SE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Goulburn Voting 1866-7 > Date: Saturday, 9 January 1999 14:47 > > Source Goulburn Herald & Chronicle 10.2.1866 > > RILEY Patrick Tirranna - Freehold > > What does 'FREEHOLD' actually mean in those days? > > Linda Monks > New Zealand > ------------------------------------------------- > Linda Monks > Voice: (64) 9 8176551 > fax: (64) 9 8176551 > email: linda.monks@xtra.co.nz > ----------------------------------------------------- > > > ==== AUS-NSW-SE Mailing List ==== > AUS-NSW-SE pages - http://www.zip.com.au/~viv/aus-nsw-se.htm >

Source Goulburn Herald & Chronicle 10.2.1866 RILEY Patrick Tirranna - Freehold What does 'FREEHOLD' actually mean in those days? Linda Monks New Zealand ------------------------------------------------- Linda Monks Voice: (64) 9 8176551 fax: (64) 9 8176551 email: linda.monks@xtra.co.nz -----------------------------------------------------

Samuel GREEN 'Lodging House Keeper' of Auburn St, Goulburn, probably conducted the first boarding house. From: History of Goulburn (1941 by Ransome T Wyatt) From: St Savs Reg. 2/3/1856 What happened to Samuel GREEN? can anyone help? Linda Monks New Zealand ------------------------------------------------- Linda Monks Voice: (64) 9 8176551 fax: (64) 9 8176551 email: linda.monks@xtra.co.nz -----------------------------------------------------

Looking for Carol COOMER's email address. I had a little address book problem and now my coms bounce back. Can somebody help please? Ray & Anne HANNAH Perth, Western AUS hannahrl@eon.net.au ICQ No: 16340676

Regarding the posting from Jennifer Lambert Tracet: Jennifer, I do have an interest in mining in southern NSW and Queensland. My great-grandfather was a miner, living in various locations in the Goulburn area. Two of his sons were killed in an accident at Mount Morgan in I think 1901 (details not at hand). I was able to obtain a fantastic 66-page handwritten report on the investigation into their deaths while at the Queensland Archives in Brisbane 1 1/2 years ago. I'd particularly be very interested in learning about mines in southern NSW, as I have no information at all on names of mines, types, , locations and so forth . . > If there is anyone on the list with an interest in mining in southern > NSW, north eastern Victoria, or the mining fields of North Queensland, I > would appreciate discussion with you. -----------------------------------oOo----------------------------------- Jillian Dacyk - Edmonton, Alberta, Canada [Researching surnames: Ash, Bointon, Carr, Foxton, Graham, Leadley, Luccock, Metcalf, Smith, Vickerman (YRKS); Hines, Smiley, McGrath (IRE/SCT); Dacyk, Fedorowich, Maniowski, Zajatz (Zaich), Zaleschuk (UKR/POL) E-mail: turrella@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca -------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hello, I'm new to this list and would like to ask if anyone knows of the Taylor family. Thomas Taylor arrived in NSW in 1818 from Lancashire England. He was 18 years old and eventually married Julia Rooney (Kelly). Some of the surnames of his descendants are MILFORD, HENWOOD, SIELER, POLL, RUMBLE, WHITLEY, WHICKHAM, BANNISTER, DEDMAN, STRANG, STEWART, TOWE and BEVERIDGE. Thomas is my husband's ggggrandfather through the Stewart line. Thomas had only one child, a boy named Thomas but this Thomas had 12 children, mostly girls hence the large number of descendants. I do have some intesting notes written by Thomas Taylor Junior on his dad and his dad's early days in Australia which I'd love to share with anyone remotely connected. I could post the names he mentions in these memoirs later if there is interest. I look forward to hearing from someone. Thanks. Loriane Frewing British Columbia Canada

Hi from Julie, a new list member and a newly addicted genealogy addict! Edward Herbert ABRAHAM or ABRAHAMS m Sarah Ann BARBER Oct 14 1896 in Bega. Sarah was born in Nimmitabel and Edward in Wyndham. Anyone out there connected? Regards Julie New Zealand _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

Hi All I'm looking for any descendants of a family from Crookwell and Goulburn by the name of 'STEVENS'......They would be from Edwin Stevens b:3 Mar 1857 in Orange and Rebecca Ritchie b: c. 1860 of Crookwell/Goulburn area. They had 1 girl and 5 boys. One of the sons Leslie married Olive Pollard in 1913 at Goulburn. Any information welcomed. Regards Tony Stevens (Boorowa & Mittagong) welby@hinet.net.au

Membership is growing dramatically - numbers will be notified to the list when things slow down a little. The site has been visited 970 times since our 1 January launch and we have added 41 pages which includes the new category of Market Place for professional researchers and suppliers of genealogy/family history books, cd's, fiche etc to advertise themselves and/or their books as well as somewhere to sell those indexes and cd's. The Members Research Pages on the IFHAA site have now been updated. If you registered interests when you joined the IFHAA it may be worth checking the MRI's as a number of members have registered similar interests. Also updated was the Mail List page with 2 new mail lists and another one pending approval see http://members.graffiti.net/~ifhaa/maillist.htm for details of the lists There are 5 new biographies and two new local histories on the site. A format for the Military history pages has now been determined and will make it to the web site within the week. Volunteer positions (see http://members.graffiti.net/~ifhaa/structur.htm ) are filling rapidly. There are still a few page maintainer positions available and I will be announcing some liaison and other positions within the week. For an up to date list of changes to the site see http://members.graffiti.net/~ifhaa/news.htm Scott Brown Coordinator Internet Family History Association of Australia (IFHAA) http://members.graffiti.net/~ifhaa/ My Genealogy Page http://www.uq.net.au/~zzsbrown/family/

My gg-grandfather was the first man to select land in the Kiandra area, and his son Charles James Mason thomas was the last. My home page at the following address: http://www.uftree.com/UFT/WebPages/cassidy/default/d0/i0000035.htm#i35 includes some interesting information about the area and methods of mining at the time. I hope that some of it is relevent to others. Regards Trish Cassidy Jennifer Lambert Tracey wrote: > In reply to Dennis Strangman and to others with an interest in goldfields > ... > > Thank you, I do have the Historic Kiandra book. > > Many of those diggers disillusioned with their finds on the Victorian > goldfields took off for Kiandra, in south western New South Wales, over > extremely rugged mountain country, to reach the new 'Kiandra' rush. Out of > necessity, a surveyor named Ligar devised a route via the Upper Murray and > Happy Jack into Kiandra. The track was named Ligar's Route. In the Alpine > Pioneer 27 November 1860 advertisements were run by the Australasian Steam > Navigation Company for passages from Sydney to Eden (Twofold Bay) twice > weekly for a fare with provisions was 35/-. Merimbula was also a port of > call for miners arriving by sea on "SS The Hunter" and houses of > accommodation were advertised "en route to the [Kiandra]diggings". > > I am currently completing a paper on the mining operations on New Chum Hill > which examines methods of mining used on the on the Kiandra Goldfield, > particularly those used on the Kiandra Deep Lead, New Chum Hill, during the > period 1860 - 1883. These included various applications of tunnelling and > finally hydraulic sluicing. Further, it investigates a stamper battery, > officially reported to be 'forty-head', erected to crush the auriferous > conglomerate alluvium extracted from the Great Emperor Tunnel. > > Reports of this battery's operation are scarce and anomalies in the > description of the battery exist in the historical record. The extent of the > hydraulic sluicing claims has eradicated much of the archaeological evidence > of the earlier workings and the battery site. The battery operated for only > four years before being sold to the Perseverance Gold Mining Company. It was > transported by bullock teams over the mountains to the Adelong Goldfield > [near Tumut, NSW] where it was re-erected on the banks of Adelong Creek. > There it was used to crush auriferous quartz from the reef mines on Victoria > Hill. > > If there is anyone on the list with an interest in mining in southern NSW, > north eastern Victoria, or the mining fields of North Queensland, I would > appreciate discussion with you. > > Best Wishes for 1999! > Jennifer > *********************************************************************** > Jennifer Lambert Tracey > Historical Archaeologist > Cultural Heritage Research Centre > UNIVERSITY OF CANBERRA, AUSTRALIA > Tel. / Fax (02) 6295 6795 > Mobile Tel. 0419 011 860 > e-mail: jtracey@ozemail.com.au > http://www.ozemail.com.au/~jtracey/ > *********************************************************************** > > -----Original Message----- > From: Strangman family [mailto:string@canberra.starway.net.au] > Sent: Thursday, 31 December 1998 15:57 > To: Jennifer Lambert Tracey > Subject: Goldfields > You might like to file in your memory banks the fact that the Kiandra rush > came about the time that the Lamplough (Vic) rush was winding down. I have > a theory that a number of miners went from Vic to Kiandra. Have you > retained many documents relating to the Kiandra rush? I have a publication > put out by the Cooma Historical people. > > ==== AUS-NSW-SE Mailing List ==== > AUS-NSW-SE pages - http://www.zip.com.au/~viv/aus-nsw-se.htm

>Well my German ancestor at Moruya grew grapes there in the 1850's in his >backyard. (I could send a photograph for a small fee). Ah, but being South Coast grapes, they would have been the sweetest grapes in creation, wouldn't they? John >>Can anyone enlighten me as to what kathryn Lucas means in reply to my email >>about her services. She has just written the one sentence > >> >>Sour grapes I suppose! John Graham johngrah@ozemail.com.au GENEALOGY FROM GERRINGONG http://www.ozemail.com.au/~johngrah/

Well my German ancestor at Moruya grew grapes there in the 1850's in his backyard. (I could send a photograph for a small fee). Niall >Hi list >Can anyone enlighten me as to what kathryn Lucas means in reply to my email >about her services. She has just written the one sentence > > >Sour grapes I suppose! > >---------- >From: Liz Vincent <lizv@fastlink.com.au>

Hi list Can anyone enlighten me as to what kathryn Lucas means in reply to my email about her services. She has just written the one sentence see directly below my signature. Poor lady. Regards Liz Vincent - at Historic Picton NSW Australia lizv@fastlink.com.au Sour grapes I suppose! ---------- From: Liz Vincent <lizv@fastlink.com.au> To: southpark <plucas@powerup.com.au>; AUS-NSW-SE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Convict letters 1829 - 1830 Date: Tuesday, 5 January 1999 10:43 Hi list Kathryn Lucas now Southpark advised list she has some letters regarding convicts. I am interested to know from where and how much it will cost and whether it will be worthwhile. Several weeks ago Kathryn advised list she had some historical articles on Australia published in England. I came in hook line and sinker. I paid $15 and most of the "articles" turned out to be tiny little snippets of "news from the diggings" etc and totally useless. I advised her I was disappointed but received no response. This sort of thing can give the net a bad name and people are reluctant to respond in case they get taken for a ride. I would want to see before I bought from this lady again. A William AHERNE ended up here in Picton and I have him in my Surnames Index plus my Court Records Index. So I am interested in this letter to be able to pass it on to descendants as I have quite a few AHERNE researchers listed. BE WARY Regards Liz Vincent - at Historic Picton NSW Australia lizv@fastlink.com.au ---------- > From: southpark <plucas@powerup.com.au> > To: AUS-NSW-SE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Convict letters 1829 - 1830 > Date: Monday, 4 January 1999 12:09 > > > I have copies of letters written about the following convicts between Aug > 1829 to May 1830 > > NAME SHIP >