I only need two more to complete the Jury. Regards Rhonda Newell.

William Randall Newspaper Report. 24/1/1879. Yass ???? William Randall (on bail) was charged that he did at Binalong on the 23 November last ----- with intent to do grievous bodily harm, one Elizabeth Randall. Prisoner: Pleaded not guilty. Mr. Healy prosecuted for the Crown. The Crown Prosecutor stated the case, and called: Elizabeth Randall, who deposed: I am the wife of prisoner and live at Binalong; I remember 23rd November last; I sent for some rum at 9 O'clock pm. we drank the rum; my husband was stupid from drink that evening; he was swearing, and I told him to stop, he said he would not; I told him if he did not stop I would hit him with a brick; I did not hit him; he struck me with his open hand on the side of the head; he was standing up; I don't know whether he hit me with his fist, I am bad in my head and the least touch knock's me over, when I came to myself I saw blood; I may have hurt myself in falling I can't say; I was stunned and fell down; the liquor I had drank and the blow knocked me over; I was sitting by the fireplace; there was no fender; the floor is brick; when I came to myself I was bleeding at the side of my head; there was a small cut; I was weak from the loss of blood; I sent for my daughter Mrs. Gibson. Mrs. Gibson came over immediately; I was lying on the bed; I d! on't know if Mrs. Gibson came over a second time; I was in bed two days; I did not feel much pain. I am telling the truth; I don't wish to prosecute. - no wife does. Jane Ryan deposed: Prisoner is my grandfather; I remember my grandfather and grandmother quarrelling on the night of 23rd November last; prisoner picked up a boot and threw it at grandmother, but I did not see her hit with it; I saw her bleeding; that was after prisoner picked up the boot; I saw the prisoner beat grandmother with his hand; I made a mistake when I said at the Police court that the prisoner was beating my grandmother with a boot; he beat her with a closed fist; I went over to Mr. Gibson's prisoner sent me; I have not been talking to my grandmother about this case; my grandfather sent me sent me the second time to Mr. Gibson's; I gave the boot to the constable. James Gibson deposed: I am a laborer, residing at Binalong; I remember Jane Ryan coming to my place on 23rd November; I went over to the prisoners place in consequence; the old women was lying on the floor bleeding from the head; I got the girl to put her to bed; the prisoner was very drunk; he said nothing to me except to ask who I was; nothing was said about a row or quarrel; I found a gun-barrel on the floor. I saw spots of blood on it afterwards; it was lying near the old women; she was lying the door, and afterwards moved to the fireplace; the gun-barrel was kept in the fireplace; it was outside the fireplace when I saw it; I gave it to the constable; I saw it; I gave it to the constable; I saw the spots of blood towards morning; I went home and came back again, the little girl saying the old women was bleeding to death; the prisoner was where I had left him; the old women was very weak, and still bleeding; I did not speak to the prisoner he was still drunk; This time I! noticed the blood on the gun-barrel; I communicated with the police in the morning; I have had know conversation with the prisoner. To His Honor: The blood was near the bottom of the gun-barrel, near the breech; I did not notice if the blood was wet or dry; it was in the constable's hands; I did not take it to the police ; I showed it to the constable; I tried to stop the blood and then brought the police to the house; I don't know whether the gun-barrel was handed by me to the constable or not. To Crown prosecutor: The gun-barrel produced is the barrel I saw; it then as it now is; I swear I don't know whether the blood spots were wet or dry; when the girl came to me she did not say by whom she was sent. To a juror: The wound I saw in the women's head was a small one; it could not be caused by the nipple of a gun; the wound might have been caused by a fall; I have seen the gun-barrel before; the stock was then broken. To His Honor: I mean half a pint when I say a good quantity of blood; the wound was clean cut. Julian Madden deposed: I am a constable of Police stationed at Binalong; I remember Gibson coming to the station on the morning of the 24th about 1 O'clock from a statement he made. I went to the prisoner's house shortly afterwards; Gibson returned with me; on my arrival I went into the bedroom; I saw Elizabeth Randall lying on the bed; she was suffering from injuries to her head; her face and a large portion of her body was covered in blood, there was also a great quantity of blood on the bedclothes and floor, and also on the floor in the sitting-room; it was about 7 feet from the fireplace; the sitting-room has a smooth floor, it is either a brick or earthen floor; there was nothing about the floor to account for the wound. I examined the wound, it was on the right side of her head; towards the back the wound had jagged edges and was caused by a blunt instrument; it was a deep wound for a scalp wound. I probed it with my finger and it penetrated to the bone; she was bleed! ing but not much then; efforts had been made to stop the bleeding; it was a small wound, not more than a ¼ of an inch long; there were two other bruises on the head, and around the body; a blunt instrument could have caused them; the bruises on the body where on the same side as the wound; I was shown a gun-barrel produced with a portion of the stock attached; Gibson handed it to me; the prisoner was present; prisoner said nothing to me then Gibson handed me the gun-barrel, I noticed the spots of blood on different parts of the barrel, and also on the hammer; the spots were also on one side of the barrel, and near the nipple, and on top of the hammer' the blood was quiet recent; I mentioned the blood to Gibson; the blood stained my hand; subsequently a boot was shown to me; Jane Ryan showed it; the boot produced had blood stains on the soul and heel, as if a person wearing it had walked through the blood; I got it the following morning at ten O'clock; prisoner had no boots o! n when I was there; I arrested prisoner next morning; I told him the charge and cautioned him; he made no statement then, but afterwards said that he new nothing about it, he was drunk,----- was very weak; she did not appear to be under the influence of drink. To prisoner: I observed the blood on the gun-barrel when I took it from your house; I have not wiped it; witness examined the gun-barrel to see if spots remained. To his Honor: The blood is not on the barrel now. Jane Ryan recalled. By a Juryman: Grandmother had a cap on when prisoner hit her; I saw the cap afterwards; I saw that the cap was torn; I didn't know how it was torn. Julian Madden recalled. To the crown prosecutor; The old women had no cap on when I saw her; she had a cap on the next day, evidently a clean one. Prisoner said he had no witnesses to call and hoped the jury would look into the case and do him justice. His Honor summed up and the jury retired at a quarter past 11 O'clock, and returned at half past 11 O'clock with a verdict of guilty of wounding with intent to do grievous bodily harm, and recommended the prisoner to mercy as they believed when he caused the injury he had no intention of inflicting it. His Honor did not see how he could receive the verdict, and asked the Jury if they were of the opinion that grievous bodily harm was unlawfully inflicted. Several of the jury said: Yes your Honor, that is what we mean. Julian Madden recalled and examined by his Honor: I have known the prisoner for about 7 months; he is from 63 to 65 years old; he bears the reputation of being a brutal man, and I am informed by members of his family that he has been in the habit of ill-treating his family; prisoner was convicted about nine years ago on a charge of larceny. Sub-Inspector Brauman corroborated Constable Madden's evidence, but did not know whether he had ever been convicted of a similar offence before. Prisoner had nothing to say why sentence should not be passed upon him. His Honor sentenced prisoner to imprisonment with hard labor in Yass gaol for two years. Was he guilty or not guilty.Regards Rhonda Newell.

Anymore volunteers. Regards Rhonda Newell.

William Randall Newspaper Report. 24/1/1879. Yass ???? William Randall (on bail) was charged that he did at Binalong on the 23 November last ----- with intent to do grievous bodily harm, one Elizabeth Randall. Prisoner: Pleaded not guilty. Mr. Healy prosecuted for the Crown. The Crown Prosecutor stated the case, and called: Elizabeth Randall, who deposed: I am the wife of prisoner and live at Binalong; I remember 23rd November last; I sent for some rum at 9 O'clock pm. we drank the rum; my husband was stupid from drink that evening; he was swearing, and I told him to stop, he said he would not; I told him if he did not stop I would hit him with a brick; I did not hit him; he struck me with his open hand on the side of the head; he was standing up; I don't know whether he hit me with ----- ---- ----- ---, when I came to myself I saw blood; I may have hurt myself in falling I can't say; I was stunned and fell down; the liquor I had drank and the blow knocked me over; I was sitting by the fireplace; there was no fender; the floor is brick; when I came to myself I was bleeding at the side of my head; there was a small cut; I was weak from the loss of blood; I sent for my daughter Mrs. Gibson. Mrs. Gibson came over immediately; I was lying on the bed; I don't know if Mrs. Gibson came over a second! time; I was in bed two days; I did not feel much pain. I am telling the truth; I don't wish to prosecute. - no wife does. Jane Ryan deposed: Prisoner is my grandfather; I remember my grandfather and grandmother quarrelling on the night of 23rd November last; prisoner picked up a boot and threw it at grandmother, but I did not see her hit with it; I saw her bleeding; that was after prisoner picked up the boot; I saw the prisoner beat grandmother with his hand; I made a mistake when I said at the Police court that the prisoner was beating my grandmother with a boot; he beat her with a closed fist; I went over to Mr. Gibson's prisoner sent me; I have not been talking to my grandmother about this case; my grandfather sent me sent me the second time to Mr. Gibson's; I gave the boot to the constable. James Gibson deposed: I am a laborer, residing at Binalong; I remember Jane Ryan coming to my place on 23rd November; I went over to the prisoners place in consequence; the old women was lying on the floor bleeding from the head; I got the girl to put her to bed; the prisoner was very drunk; he said nothing to me except to ask who I was; nothing was said about a row or quarrel; I found a gun-barrel on the floor. I saw spots of blood on it afterwards; it was lying near the old women; she was lying the door, and afterwards moved to the fireplace; the gun-barrel was kept in the fireplace; it was outside the fireplace when I saw it; I gave it to the constable; I saw it; I gave it to the constable; I saw the spots of blood towards morning; I went home and came back again, the little girl saying the old women was bleeding to death; the prisoner was where I had left him; the old women was very weak, and still bleeding; I did not speak to the prisoner he was still drunk; This time I! noticed the blood on the gun-barrel; I communicated with the police in the morning; I have had know conversation with the prisoner. To His Honor: The blood was near the bottom of the gun-barrel, near the breech; I did not notice if the blood was wet or dry; it was in the constable's hands; I did not take it to the police ; I showed it to the constable; I tried to stop the blood and then brought the police to the house; I don't know whether the gun-barrel was handed by me to the constable or not. To Crown prosecutor: The gun-barrel produced is the barrel I saw; it then as it now is; I swear I don't know whether the blood spots were wet or dry; when the girl came to me she did not say by whom she was sent. To a juror: The wound I saw in the women's head was a small one; it could not be caused by the nipple of a gun; the wound might have been caused by a fall; I have seen the gun-barrel before; the stock was then broken. To His Honor: I mean half a pint when I say a good quantity of blood; the wound was clean cut. Julian Madden deposed: I am a constable of Police stationed at Binalong; I remember Gibson coming to the station on the morning of the 24th about 1 O'clock from a statement he made. I went to the prisoner's house shortly afterwards; Gibson returned with me; on my arrival I went into the bedroom; I saw Elizabeth Randall lying on the bed; she was suffering from injuries to her head; her face and a large portion of her body was covered in blood, there was also a great quantity of blood on the bedclothes and floor, and also on the floor in the sitting-room; it was about 7 feet from the fireplace; the sitting-room has a smooth floor, it is either a brick or earthen floor; there was nothing about the floor to account for the wound. I examined the wound, it was on the right side of her head; towards the back the wound had jagged edges and was caused by a blunt instrument; it was a deep wound for a scalp wound. I probed it with my finger and it penetrated to the bone; she was bleed! ing but not much then; efforts had been made to stop the bleeding; it was a small wound, not more than a ¼ of an inch long; there were two other bruises on the head, and around the body; a blunt instrument could have caused them; the bruises on where on the ----- side -----; it was --- a gun-barrel (----) with a portion of the stock attached; Gibson handed it to me; the prisoner was present; prisoner said nothing to me then Gibson handed me the gun-barrel, I noticed the spots of blood on different parts of the barrel, and also on the hammer; the spots were also on one side of the barrel, and near the nipple, and on top of the hammer' the blood was quiet recent; I mentioned the blood to Gibson; the blood stained my hand; subsequently a boot was shown to me; Jane Ryan showed it; the boot produced had blood stains on the soul and heel, as if a person wearing it had walked through the blood; I got it the following morning at ten O'clock; prisoner had no boots on when I was there; I arrested prisoner next morning; I told him the charge and cautioned him; he made no statement then, but afterwards said that he new nothing about it, he was drunk,----- was very weak; s! he did not appear to be under the influence of drink. To prisoner: I observed the blood on the gun-barrel when I took it from your house; I have not wiped it; witness examined the gun-barrel to see if spots remained. To his Honor: The blood is not on the barrel now. Jane Ryan recalled. By a Juryman: Grandmother had a cap on when prisoner hit her; I saw the cap afterwards; I saw that the cap was torn; I didn't know how it was torn. Julian Madden recalled. To the crown prosecutor; The old women had no cap on when I saw her; she had a cap on the next day, evidently a clean one. Prisoner said he had no witnesses to call and hoped the jury would look into the case and do him justice. His Honor summed up and the jury retired at a quarter past 11 O'clock, and returned at half past 11 O'clock with a verdict of guilty of wounding with intent to do grievous bodily harm, and recommended the prisoner to mercy as they believed when he caused the injury he had no intention of inflicting it. His Honor did not see how he could receive the verdict, and asked the Jury if they were of the opinion that grievous bodily harm was unlawfully inflicted. Several of the jury said: Yes your Honor, that is what we mean. Julian Madden recalled and examined by his Honor: I have known the prisoner for about 7 months; he is from 63 to 65 years old; he bears the reputation of being a brutal man, and I am informed by members of his family that he has been in the habit of ill-treating his family; prisoner was convicted about nine years ago on a charge of larceny. Sub-Inspector Brauman corroborated Constable Madden's evidence, but did not know whether he had ever been convicted of a similar offence before. Prisoner had nothing to say why sentence should not be passed upon him. His Honor sentenced prisoner to imprisonment with hard labor in Yass gaol for two years. Was he guilty or not guilty.

Hello One & All Vivienne has kindly given me permission to post the following to the list: The 5th Victorian Family History State Conference "Settlers in the sun" will be held at St Joseph's College, 12th Street, Mildura on 16-18 April 2004. Hosted by Mildura & District Genealogical Society it will be two days of informative up to date genealogical information covering a wide choice of topics, presented in a friendly relaxed atmosphere. The conference keynote speaker is Jan Gow, one of New Zealand's most experienced professional genealogists. Pre-conference workshops will be conducted on Friday 16th April. For further information please contact: 2004 Conference Organizing Committee P.O. Box 3467 Mildura 3502, VIC E-mail: [email protected] Website: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ausmdgs/2004.html Kind Regards Roz Voullaire [email protected] Secretary 2004 Conference Organizing Committee

A JURY OF 12 NEEDED. Dear list John Graham has given me permission to post this to the list, so here, I go. I have been on and off the AUS-NSW-SE- List over the past 3 years mainly on, but I tend to keep quiet. At this time I would really enjoy some feedback. I have a bit of a problem with William Randall my husbands great-great-grandfather after reading, hand writing, and then typing the newspaper report of his trial, I have mixed feeling as to whether he should have been charged or not. I then started to think, if that trial had been held today, what would have been the outcome. The mind started to expand and I came up with an idea. What I would like is: 12 people from the list to volunteer as a jury member, I will respect and accept, the Juries findings, with know comment, what so ever, (accept for thank you). If I can find 12 volunteers from the list, whom have not contacted me previously Re: The Randall /Scandal. I thought I could post the newspaper report of the trial to the list for all to see, while the Jury considered their verdict. 24/1/1879 William Randall (on bail) was charged that he did at Binalong on the 23 November last---with intent to do grievous bodily harm, one Elizabeth Randall. Kind regards Rhonda Newell. P.S. While I'm so loud, is there anyone interested in Robert Barr and David Smith Kiama.

The Browse site (but NOT the Search site) of the Ryerson Index was updated over the weekend with another 25,000 entries. The Ryerson Index can be found at www.rootsweb.com/~nswsdps/ Please repost to any other list where you feel it is appropriate. John

Dear List Just in case, I have missed the many who took the time to reply to my posting. I must thank you all, for connecting my husband to the Randall Scandal, from Binalong. My husband is still in shock however, I think he will get over it. Regards Rhonda Newell.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Newell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 4:00 AM Subject: HARRUP/GIBSON Hi Rhonda > Although I have my husbands William RANDALL line back to England, I have problems with his wife Elizabeth Harrup, William Randall a convict applied to marry early 1842 Elizabeth HARRUP the application was denied as she was under age I think, (by memory) he was stated as 30 yrs she was 20 yrs permission of >guardian was needed. Is only one ref in Convicts Permission to Marry records ?? Now, this couple applied for a permission to marry a few months later, this time he William Randall stated he was aged 40 yrs and she was Elizabeth Harrogh stated she was 30 yrs. This record states William RANDALL per Claudine(2) 42 , applied for permission to marry Elizabeth HARROUGH , 30 , CF Agnes Ewings Have you had chance to check passenger records of this ship ? Might have ref to her age ? No one has claimed William RANDALL on http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts Bye MargM Member of Central Coast FHS Gosford, NSW

Dear List Although I have my husbands William RANDALL line back to England, I have problems with his wife Elizabeth Harrup, William Randall a convict applied to marry early 1842 Elizabeth HARRUP the application was denied as she was under age I think, (by memory) he was stated as 30 yrs she was 20 yrs permission of guardian was needed. Now, this couple applied for a permission to marry a few months later, this time he William Randall stated he was aged 40 yrs and she was Elizabeth Harrogh stated she was 30 yrs. These applications were all in the Yass and they are obviously the same couple and were allowed to marry. They Married 30 October 1842 Yass Elizabeth as Harrogh. I thought maybe he just married another Elizabeth but:: Her death 1894 states father unknown Harrup. Her sons death 1938 aged 80 years states his mothers maiden Elizabeth Harrup. I cannot find a Harrup family, a death of a Harrup, a birth of a Harrup or marriage of Harrup, this is one of our family names but Harrups don't seem to be, I would love to see another Harrup family, a bit sad but I could grab them for a while. If somebody can help I would be very pleased, I think I have covered all ground but a new direction would be greatly appreciated. Regards Rhonda Newell Wamberal N.S.W.

Dear List I thought I would list another of the families which I am researching, hoping to contact other interested researchers. John GIBSON convict to New South Wales second offence, to Port Arthur, Tasmania. Bridget Tahney convict direct to Tasmania. John GIBSON convict married Bridget TAHNEY convict 1849 Tasmania. Known Children: Arthur George GIBSON birth unknown. Hannah GIBSON bapt 1850 Tasmania married Francis Reynolds Yass N.S.W. 1870. John GIBSON bapt 1852 Tasmania. James GIBSON bapt 1853 Tasmania married 1885 Harriet Randall Yass N.S.W. 1875. When James GIBSON died 1885 his brother Arthur George GIBSON stated his father John GIBSON as a compositor and his mother as Mary WHITEHEAD. Now all I can say, through much research and reference: is that when their son James Gibson died 1885 all may have believed his mothers maiden name was Mary WHITEHEAD however, she was not Mary WHITEHEAD or Mary MORTEN or Bridget TURNER or Bridget MORETON as used as alias's while she was in Tasmania, she was BRIDGET TAHNEY from County Leitrum. her father was Bryan TAHNEY her mother had died her brothers Michael, James and Patrick and sisters Catherine and Mary were all living at Leitrum, Ireland. I hope this gives some direction and of course, I hope to contact descendants. Regards Rhonda Newell Wamberal New South Wales.

Dear List I thought I would list one of the families which I am researching, hoping to contact other interested researchers. William RANDALL married Elizabeth HARRUP as (HARROGH) 1842 Yass N. S.W. Children to the marriage. Mary Ann RANDALL bapt 1843 married Henry Garman 1871 Binnalong. Eliza RANDALL bapt 1845 married Phillip Louis Haddleston 1868 Yass. Fanny RANDALL bapt 1847 married Michael Murphy 1874 Yass. Harriet RANDALL bapt 1849 married James Gibson 1875 Yass. Betsy RANDALL bapt 1854 William RANDALL bapt 1855 married ? Harriet McKay Goulburn. Emma RANDALL bapt 1855 married Luke Ryan 1874 Yass. John RANDALL bapt 1857 married Catherine Amelia Murphy about 1914 Mitta Mitta, Victoria. I would like to share family information. Regards Rhonda Newell Wamberal New South Wales.

Hello Listers I am researching the Darragh Family of Wollongong and later Candelo and the Richmond River area. Felix arrived in the Colony in 1841. He and his wife Alice and children Margaret aged 4 years and John 7 months arrived on the "James Mathison" on 14 March 1841. He was shown on ship's records as a Farmer/labourer , RC and his mother Mary as a widow. He was born 1805 in Lurgan County Armagh, Ireland and married Alice McGee there. They travelled to Wollongong to join his father, John, at Figtree in the Illawarra on John' s 50 acre land grant. John had married Mary Wade, convict, "Woodman"1823. After John's death in 1858 Felix moved to Candelo and purchased land which he called "Shamrock Vale". His sons moved to to Kyogle in 1900 and his son William Francis McGee purchased 470 acres of the Wyangarie Estate. I had received an email from somebody interested in the Darragh family - they were from the Darrough (?) line but due to computer troubles I have lost the email. If it was from somebody on this list could you please contact me again. Regards Joanne

I am new to this list and interested in my family's history. I am a retired 72 year old living in Hamilton NZ. My interests in NSW involve Richard Charles White CUMING from Plymouth, England Who spent 6 years in NSW from 1860 to 1866. While there he married NSW born Elizabeth ROACH or (ROCHE) at Cooma, NSW on 2 Jan. 1864. They had one child in Australia, Arthur John CUMING B 13 May 1865 at Larbert, District of Braidwood, NSW and moved to Hokitika NZ in1866. Arthur returned to Australia around 1900 leaving a wife and three children in Christchurch NZ. Any information on this family, particularly the ROACH connection would be of great interest. Mike Cuming in Hamilton New Zealand.

The above person died in 1880 aged 96 yrs and there is an obituary for him in the Kiama Independent on or abt 9th Nov 1880. If there is anyone out there who could find out what this obituary says I would be very grateful. My gt grandmother Jane Cronean had a father JOhn and while I doubt if this is him, it could be her grandfather as she was born in Nowra abt 1855 thanks in advance from here in Maryborough Qld Sandra

Hi, Is anyone researching William George MOORE and Martha WOOD, married at Carcoar in 1871? Joy

Looking for any details of the above, born Allen Henry Bradley but later known as Henry Allen. Was living in Kangaroo Valley when he married aged 27 in 1918. Parents possibly also there. They were John Thomas Bradley and Annie nee Ross who both died 1944 and 1932 in Bowral. He was a member of the Light Horse, Machine Gun Company. Looking for any Bradley family info on other siblings, Henry's regiment, War Memorial info, occupations etc. Thanks Marie

Is anyone researching the family of Charles Stewart Quail and wife Susan Patrick from Young and Yass 1839-1888. Is anyone going to Young & District Family History Group to see if they hold anything on this family (just being impatient as I intend to write to them) Denise

When my ggfather Samuel Wells arrived Sydney 1832 he was assigned to John Broadway - farmer, whose address was variously shown as Cooks River, George's River or Appin. If anyone has access to maps of that time showing properties in those areas I would appreciate if the farm of John Broadway could be pin pointed. Len.

Thanks to all the people who replied re Henry Warry. Unfortunately no new leads, but I'll keep searching. He must be on the records somewhere. Marie