Kevin - there is a mention of Sunnyside in the book - Warkton The Growth of a Community, compiled and published by Editorial Committe for Bicentennial Project, supported by Coonabarabran Shire Council, 1988 p43 Louisa Kerr, midwife, came from 'Sunnyside' for delivery of the Harris children. Note: the Harris family took up 'Kurrajong Vale' and later 'Wongan', in Warkton/Belar Creek area, about 1896. On a list of properties and owner's names - Coonabarabran Pastoral, Coonabarabran PP Board, undated(but thought to be early 1920s), source unknown Mrs Louisa Neilson, 'Sunnyside' William Neilson, 'Sunnyside' These entries are marked Coonabarabran whereas others on the list are marked Warkton so I'm not sure whether this 'Sunnyside' refers the same property as above at Warkton. As you did not mention names or dates I couldn't identify any other mentions in sources. Found nothing on 'Murrawal', sorry. Regards, Alice.

My wife's ancestors owned properties called Murrawal and Sunnyside. Sunnyside was supposed to be in Coonabarabran region Murrawal somewhere in the Pilgra region Can anyone help us place there were abouts KEVIN RYAN _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

Extracts from the Merriwa & Cassilis Standard Newspaper One Hundred Years Ago November 1902 Coonabarabran The death took place on Saturday morning last of Mr Kenneth Murchison of Coonabarabran,a great regret of the community.The deceased gentleman was formally proprietor of the "Blight Watchman" and until lately was a member of the local Land Board.He had an intimate knowledge of the land laws and their workings and took active part in local and district affairs of Coonabarabran. He was a useful,upright citizen,and his death is a loss generally felt. 22/11/1902 The court of Quarter Sessions at Coonabarabran will be abolished after the end of the year. A public meeting protesting against closure of the court took place on the 6/12/1902 From Glen Innes it was reported on Monday that 26 mobs of sheep (one lot 16,000) totalling 74,000 were travelling for grass. The Rev.A G Cresswell(Cof E) has resigned the Coonabarabran Parish.The Rev J Hendry was this week inducted to the charge of Connabarabran Presbyterian Church. The Coonabarabran Co Operative Mill has shut down after 11 months operations,and there is no local wheat forth coming to restart it. compiled by the Merriwa Historical Society Inc.

You are on the right list - good luck with your research. Alice.

Hi Not sure if I'm on the right list. I have the above families from the Mudgee and Gulgong areas, before they moved to Sydney (maybe). Charles William BULLOCK b1845 Hawkesbury married Ann Jane SKELTON b1854 Maitland. They married at Mudgee. The first 5 children were born in Gulgong - Charles W.D. Lillian Anna F. Ethel Vivian Arthur B. Ernest Randolph Cecile M Violet Blanch (g grandmother) Albert I. Alice B. Margaret M. Annie Grace Amelia m Henry BRADLEY (another family relation) Evelyn C. Any connections or clues as to the parents births. The information I have has come from marriage and death certificates. Maria Central Coast, NSW

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Is there anyone on list that has access to MI's for Gunnedah and could check for me please a death for Harold N (or M) COULDERY 1935 .... also perhaps one for his wife Constance nee WILKINSON. Many thanks Jennifer

One Hundred Years ago 30-10-1902 From Merriwa and Cassilis Standard The Divining Rod. Many of our contemporaries have had articles of late dealing at length with this interesting subject. It is an ancient mystery and much scoffed at: but all the same many persons have great faith in it as an indicator of water. Round about Merriwa and Cassilis and also in many parts of the Upper Hunter, there are many, almost professional users of the forked stick in water-finding, and few people sink a well without first obtaining the services of one of these experts. The stick will not work with everybody, so those with whom it will are supposed to be receptive of the subtle influence be it by waves of ether like the wireless telegraph, or some form of magnetism, or whatever it is that connects them with a hidden spring, sometimes 100ft, or more underground, and through solid rock frequently. Wheat It is believed that the shortage in the Australian wheat crops for the coming year will amount to nearly 200,000 tons, which is the amount we will most likely have to import. Even Victoria is expected to reap one of the worst crops on record. Instead of having a large surplus, as she usually does, she will have to import from abroad for her own requirements during the coming twelve months. Says an exchange: " The outlook for the wheat crops generally in Australia, with the exception of South Australia, fore casts a national calamity." Three cargoes of wheat are now afloat from America for Australia By Carole Douch for the Merriwa Historical Society.Inc.

This second newspaper item is from May 1902. By October 1902 I wonder how the old timers ranked 1839 and 1882? Best Wishes Glynis ----- Original Message ----- From: Alice Erickson <wondrlnd@tpg.com.au> To: <AUS-NSW-PILLIGA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 8:30 AM Subject: Historical perspective on drought in our area > Thanks to Lynne for this historical perspective on drought. The dates might be interesting for understanding events in your families. Alice > -----Original Message----- > From: lynne robinson <lynrobi@winsoft.net.au> > To: Alice Erickson <wondrlnd@tpg.com.au> > Date: 22Oct2002 4:39 PM > > > Hello Alice.. adding to above about drought.. this from Mudgee Guardian - > 12/5/1902 When men get together these times they talk of the present and previous drought and most people seem to agree that the season of 1882 was far worse than the present one. Talking to Mr E Tindale of Barragon the other day, he mentioned that when he was a young man, the true standard of desolation was the drought of 1839. He has heard one old hand who used to work for his father speak of this terrible year when all the Barragon herd of cattle was moved to the Lachlan and some drovers dogs died of thirst going from Rylstone to Bylong. We can hardly expect any living man to remember this terrible year but perhaps there are others who have heard traditional stories of the drought of 1839. > > This is before 'global warming' and tree clearing and population growth! > > regards Lynne (not sure how to contribute to page?) >

Thanks to Lynne for this historical perspective on drought. The dates might be interesting for understanding events in your families. Alice -----Original Message----- From: lynne robinson <lynrobi@winsoft.net.au> To: Alice Erickson <wondrlnd@tpg.com.au> Date: 22Oct2002 4:39 PM Hello Alice.. adding to above about drought.. this from Mudgee Guardian - 12/5/1902 When men get together these times they talk of the present and previous drought and most people seem to agree that the season of 1882 was far worse than the present one. Talking to Mr E Tindale of Barragon the other day, he mentioned that when he was a young man, the true standard of desolation was the drought of 1839. He has heard one old hand who used to work for his father speak of this terrible year when all the Barragon herd of cattle was moved to the Lachlan and some drovers dogs died of thirst going from Rylstone to Bylong. We can hardly expect any living man to remember this terrible year but perhaps there are others who have heard traditional stories of the drought of 1839. This is before 'global warming' and tree clearing and population growth! regards Lynne (not sure how to contribute to page?)

Hi again On reflection, We have things so much easier than in 1902: I have mentioned the knowledge of stock nutrition and the ability to transport stock. Other things I take for granted which 100 years ago would have been a godsend: *****When the house tanks run out we put the tank on the truck and head to town for CLEAN water for the house (1000gal at a time) Beats Dysentry, Typhoid, etc any time (check out the death certificates for the time) * Polythene pipe. Its relatively cheap and easy (compared to lengths of metal pipe) to run a supply of water from one paddock to the next. * Light reliable petrol powered pumps. These are used extensively now in fire fighting and short term (I hope) movement of water. 1902 had steam powered pumps big and heavy and applicable to BIG situations only and windmills which are still useful today if you can find a good windmill mechanic ( very skilled occupation and dissappearing fast) but took some time to erect etc. *Concrete troughs. They require less maintenance than the rolled galvanised sheet metal they joined together to make troughs in 1902. Or used bore drains which wasted more than the stock drank. *Plastic tanks. Moulded in one piece we have put one in the middle of a paddock temporarily to feed a temporary trough and filled it by way of polly pipe and a petrol motor and pump in one day. Not weeks of back breaking work as the ancestors would have had to do the same. *Communication. Feeling alone is not to be recommended at times like this. (Feel used for my mental health.) ALWAYS talk about the big things that seem unsurmountable. Even though the old timers had better family and community networks, these are much harder to maintain in tough times when the call on ones time is greater for everyday work . * The Telephone, Internet etc is somewhat better (by some standards) than Telegraph and Letter particularly when needing to unburden a load of troubles. *The old timers didn't know until they got the newspaper if other parts were getting rain, or had it better or worse than themselves - crucial if sending livestock onto the stock route for months on end. 10km is a big days travel for a mob of cattle. If they are heading into worse than where they come from they will walk into a deadly trap, grazing on the way in and sealing the way out as they travelled, making retreat very hard or impossible. *Almost forgot, modern drenches. Animals have a hard time surviving if they have to feed freeloaders as well as themselves. The old timers used arsenic to rid their animals of worms. Not the most efficient and very dangerous. (Off the point, I have read 19th century directions of how to treat sheep for scab by dipping them in arsenic solution - how? The stationhands would stand waist deep in the water and dunk the animals under one by one. How many of those men reached four score and ten???) CLEAN WATER is the greatest blessing compared to 1902. Being forced to feed your babies putrid water is unimaginable and was unavoidable both on farms and in towns in the droughts of the beginning of the 20th century and before. There are no doubt many things I didn't mention or know of that made past droughts much worse to endure. Best Wishes Glynis (Counting blessings as well as whinging, and still able to laugh )

That's OK Glynnis - it is interesting to note the similarities and differences to 1902 - which was such a feature in lots of our families lives. I know we should stick to genealogy but for once it won't matter. Just because we concentrate on genealogy we are not unaware of the sorrow, mental fatigue and hard physical work the drought brings. We stand beside you and all our farmers in spirit and marvel at the real courage in the face of such adversity that you show us. The 'news' doesn't and possible can't portray that as you have done for us. Thank you, Alice.

I noticed a lister looking for the above name, are the following your line 23/01/1860.. Gertrude Mary ..daughter of.. William and Kate(nee Brady) Vickery of Mudgee.(RC Baptisms) sponsors.. Joseph Brady and Marcella Madigan.. Dunedoo Burials Emerald Leoda Vickery, born 17/10/1907..died 30.4.1982. Reginald Hope Vickery " " 9/8/1903...died 3/8/1983. regards Jeanette Byfield.

Thankyou Carole for the 1902 quote IF it was last week: BEFORE the stock would be elligible for the 1/2 rate fare most of the flock/herd would have to be dead to prove it was an exceptional drought. THEN it would have to be applied for, the public servants would consider it for a few more weeks, the local stock water would have been ALL dried up, and there would be very few animals left to be transported. A MOUNTAIN of paperwork will have to be done by each farmer to apply for any funds available. (Full 2yr budget, Balance sheet, justify that you have the potential to survive financially yet don't have the rescources to help oneself. One's personal rescources are already exhausted and better spent on the real tasks of the drought than on govt red tape) THEN the conclusion in Sydney and Canberra would be the transport subsidy isn't needed because it was under-utilised. Are we supposed to prepare for a 1 in 100 year drought? And how? There isn't enough "fat" in the good years to lay any aside. Remember abt 2 years ago we had ONE good year and the media were refering to the well-off farmers? Once there is exceptional circumstances declared (very few areas are now elligible the Pilliga is about to be declared) Freight ONLY is subsidised for feed and water. NO help for the infrastructure for pipes or bores which would replace the more expensive and exhausting cartage of water. Feed to purchase is now almost unprocurable except from other states possibly only WA Tas as SA and Vic are joining us fast. If one wished to build a large farm dam to help drought proof oneself, forget it. The red tape is unclimbable. It is considered bad for the environment to store too much water that lands on the farm. Its supposed to be allowed to run off and evaporate out west. Then when we are in drought we are branded as unprepared. (So far we have bought only one load of cottonseed to balance the diet of stored farm-produced feed - otherwise we had enough stored to hand feed for 6 months) End of whinge. I have to go out and feed my lot, then go start the pump for their water for the next couple of days. The past few hours I have been staring at paddock maps trying to budget feed to get past Christmas - and we are very well off compared to the Pilliga and further West and North - we have (had) grain crops (failed) which will be fed off this month so at least the sheep have tucker. We are in a "safe" area and should get some summer rain - the western and southern blokes can forget it til Autumn. Back to the point - how much have attitudes and the methods changed in 100 years?? We have the knowledge to feed enough of the right feed for survival. What was available 100 years ago had enough calories but not enough of the proteins and vitamins and minerals to enable the stock to utilise the feed so death thru malnutrition rather than starvation was often the case. At least we don't have to face the prospect of trying to get droughted stock to the rail head along bare stock routes. These days the trucks come to the stock though the only direction they can go is to the abbatoirs. Enjoy the cheap meat while its there because there will be a shortage once it does rain. And it will rain - Its a day closer than yesterday. Best Wishes Glynis Ps thankyou for reading my moaning - sorry for getting off the Genealogical point ----- Original Message ----- From: Carole Douch <douch1@dodo.com.au> To: <AUS-NSW-PILLIGA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 8:29 AM Subject: newspaper > One Hundred Years ago > 25-10-1902 > > From Merriwa and Cassilis Standard > > Rate for the Carriage of Starving Stock. > > The Railway Commissioners have gazetted the following by-law, to come into operation on and from October 25,1902: - Where the grass or water in any stock district has failed, through the drought, and it is necessary for the preservation of the stock that they should be removed for the purpose of feed, they will be carried by rail at half rate, conditionally upon the production of a statutory declaration from the owner, and a certificate from the stock inspector of the district that they are being removed under the conditions described. > > Cassilis News > The Weather. A strange haze was visible over the hills all Sunday, presumably dust from the Australian country desert. > > Sheep and the Country's Aspect. > Many transactions in sheep are rumoured. People of this district are not disconcerted by the late drought, as the country recovers quickly and marvellously. Already we begin to compare it again to the land of Goshen > > This was a Hundred Year's ago, not last week. > > > By Carole Douch for the Merriwa Historical Society Inc. > douch1@dodo.com.au >

Yes, Carol, there's nothing new under the sun is there. Probably many of us can see the results of that drought in the families we are researching too - farms lost, families moving on, hard times etc. Alice.

One Hundred Years ago 25-10-1902 From Merriwa and Cassilis Standard Rate for the Carriage of Starving Stock. The Railway Commissioners have gazetted the following by-law, to come into operation on and from October 25,1902: - Where the grass or water in any stock district has failed, through the drought, and it is necessary for the preservation of the stock that they should be removed for the purpose of feed, they will be carried by rail at half rate, conditionally upon the production of a statutory declaration from the owner, and a certificate from the stock inspector of the district that they are being removed under the conditions described. Cassilis News The Weather. A strange haze was visible over the hills all Sunday, presumably dust from the Australian country desert. Sheep and the Country's Aspect. Many transactions in sheep are rumoured. People of this district are not disconcerted by the late drought, as the country recovers quickly and marvellously. Already we begin to compare it again to the land of Goshen This was a Hundred Year's ago, not last week. By Carole Douch for the Merriwa Historical Society Inc. douch1@dodo.com.au

I am trying to find info on Mt Lindsay Station near Barrabra. My great great grandmother Annie Selina Williams was buried there. Does anyone know the address of the remaining sections of the Station or where I can find out info? My Great Grandfather also leased or ran the station. Any help appreciated. Regards Annie Researching WARNER WILLIAMS

Greetings - I'm researching particularly the VICKERY family of Abercrombie, Dubbo and Mudgee areas - does anyone have further info to help me on the following please :- (1)William VICKERY b where or when? m Margaret SAMPSON (b Abercrombie) married 1853 (2)William Joseph VICKERY b 1855 Abercrombie - died 1917 Sydney m Catherine (Kate) BRADY (b 1857 in St. George) 1878 in Dubbo issue (3) Joseph William VICKERY b 1879 Dubbo (3) Henry Edward VICKERY b 1880 Dubbo (3) Ann Agatha VICKERY b 1883 Mudgee (3) Gertrude M VICKERY b 1887 Mudgee (3) Ernest J VICKERY b 1888 Mudgee m Ellen BOLAND 1926 in Woollahra Many thanks _________________________________________________________________ Unlimited Internet access -- and 2 months free!  Try MSN. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/2monthsfree.asp

Greetings - I'm researching particularly the VICKERY family of Abercrombie, Dubbo and Mudgee areas - does anyone have further info to help me on the following please :- William VICKERY b ? William Joseph VICKERY b 1855 Abercrombie - died 1917 Sydney _________________________________________________________________ Surf the Web without missing calls! Get MSN Broadband. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp