Hi Grahame, l have no info on the adopted son. He was the informant on his ' adopted ' Fathers death cert. It's like these people didn't exist. The death cert for John BAINES has heaps of info on it. But nothing gels. It states where he was married and to whom, but no registration. It states there were three living males to the marriage, but no name's and nothing l can find in the States for registration of these births. It states that J. BAINES adopted son was the informant. But can't find anything on him. It states that John BAINES was buried in St. Lukes Liverpool [ which is now a memorial garden ]. But in the list of gravestones prior to it becoming a memorial garden he is not on it. I'm open to any suggestions Sue Hi Sue Re Q 1, have a look at the following web site. http://www.liverpool.nsw.gov.au/info/ldfhs.htm Re Q 2, Even today there are Parish Registers, but generally speaking there is no single repository. The location of registers tends to depend on the religion eg RC, Methodist, C 0f E etc. For example most NSW Methodist registers are in the NSW State Library. Usually the best place to start is to ask the local FH Society or the particular church if still in existence. Re Q 3 look at http://www.liverpool.nsw.gov.au/info/services.htm and http://www.biztel.com.au/stlukes.htm Re Q 4 Legal adoption started in NSW in 1923. Before then most "adoptions" were just arranged between families, possibly through a church. Sometimes a "contract" was drawn up by a solicitor and the papers could still be with the solicitor's firm if passed on each time the firm was sold. On occasions a deed was registered at the NSW Deeds Office in Sydney (in the Land Titles Office). But this would be the exception. See site http://www.lpi.nsw.gov.au/ What information is on the adopted son's marriage (if married) and death certificates. cheers Grahame on 4/11/03 4:11 PM, Sue Adamson at mosessue@tpg.com.au wrote: > Dear List, > > l have recently received a death certificate for John BAINES who died at > Warwick Farm Nr. Liverpool 26th June 1890. Buried St. Luke's Liverpool. > On the certificate the info was as follows : > Informant was J. BAINES adopted son, also of Warwick Farm. > Issue from marriage to Ann MORN was three males living. > The marriage and three male births do not appear to have been registered in > any State. > > > Q. How would l find out what was on the headstone. > > Q. Are there Parish Registers for NSW as is the case in England. > > Q. Is St Luke's Liverpool C of E still standing, as l have searched the net > but can find no trace of it. > > Q. How would l find out about the adopted son. > > Regards > Sue Adamson > Far North Queensland > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hi Sue Under such circumstances I would have a look at the actual burial entry in the church register because it may just have more or different information. For example, my grandmother's NSW BDM marriage certificate does nor reveal her father's name but the church register does. I suppose it all depends on how keen you are to find any answers. Another possibility is approaching all living descendants to see if they know anything or hold any old papers/certificates/photos. Doing this solved an adoption issue for us. If you think there is a chance that descendants still live in the Liverpool area, then send a "Letter to the Editor" of the local newspaper. All the best with your research Grahame on 7/11/03 8:02 PM, Sue Adamson at mosessue@tpg.com.au wrote: > > Hi Grahame, > > l have no info on the adopted son. He was the informant on his ' adopted ' > Fathers death cert. > It's like these people didn't exist. > > The death cert for John BAINES has heaps of info on it. But nothing gels. > It states where he was married and to whom, but no registration. > It states there were three living males to the marriage, but no name's and > nothing l can find in the States for registration of these births. > It states that J. BAINES adopted son was the informant. But can't find > anything on him. > It states that John BAINES was buried in St. Lukes Liverpool [ which is now a > memorial garden ]. But in the list of gravestones prior to it becoming a > memorial garden he is not on it. > > I'm open to any suggestions > > Sue > Hi Sue > > Re Q 1, have a look at the following web site. > > http://www.liverpool.nsw.gov.au/info/ldfhs.htm > > Re Q 2, Even today there are Parish Registers, but generally speaking there > is no single repository. The location of registers tends to depend on the > religion eg RC, Methodist, C 0f E etc. For example most NSW Methodist > registers are in the NSW State Library. > > Usually the best place to start is to ask the local FH Society or the > particular church if still in existence. > > Re Q 3 look at > > http://www.liverpool.nsw.gov.au/info/services.htm > > and > > http://www.biztel.com.au/stlukes.htm > > Re Q 4 > > Legal adoption started in NSW in 1923. Before then most "adoptions" were > just arranged between families, possibly through a church. Sometimes a > "contract" was drawn up by a solicitor and the papers could still be with > the solicitor's firm if passed on each time the firm was sold. On occasions > a deed was registered at the NSW Deeds Office in Sydney (in the Land Titles > Office). But this would be the exception. See site > > http://www.lpi.nsw.gov.au/ > > What information is on the adopted son's marriage (if married) and death > certificates. > > cheers > > Grahame > > > on 4/11/03 4:11 PM, Sue Adamson at mosessue@tpg.com.au wrote: > >> Dear List, >> >> l have recently received a death certificate for John BAINES who died at >> Warwick Farm Nr. Liverpool 26th June 1890. Buried St. Luke's Liverpool. >> On the certificate the info was as follows : >> Informant was J. BAINES adopted son, also of Warwick Farm. >> Issue from marriage to Ann MORN was three males living. >> The marriage and three male births do not appear to have been registered in >> any State. >> >> >> Q. How would l find out what was on the headstone. >> >> Q. Are there Parish Registers for NSW as is the case in England. >> >> Q. Is St Luke's Liverpool C of E still standing, as l have searched the >> net >> but can find no trace of it. >> >> Q. How would l find out about the adopted son. >> >> Regards >> Sue Adamson >> Far North Queensland >> >> >> ============================== >> To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go >> to: >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >> > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >