Dear Marlene, I certainly got my last message mixed up. Please forgive me I am still in shock at hearing of the death of one of my sisters who died about 10 days ago and no one told me. I do not descend from James Neve (1840) or his father. Who was also named James. I descend from Victoria Neve who was born in England in 1839. There was also a William Neve who married Caroline Gumbleton. He was a member of the same family. Marie