Hello Delma... Thanks for your email... and hope you are making ground in your research.... My William Player.... was a generation after your John Player , I think.... Anthony Rope m Elizabeth Pulley Their youngest daughter... Elizabeth Ann Rope m Thomas Player.. 30/10/1826 Out of their children... JAMES, WILLIAM, SARAH,EDWARD,THOMAS,JOHN,ELIZABETH,MARY.... My line from above was through the 5th child... Thomas... jnr Thomas Player m Hannah Evans 5/9/1854 Out of heir children, James, William, Thomas Malvina, Isabella, Mary, Violet, George & Elizabeth... My line was the 2nd child William b26/3/1859 -m- Sylvia Smith marriage date; 28/6/1883. ------------------------------------------- ---------------- Hope that clears it up for you. Please look at my website for details.. although the family tree isn't in there yet... It has some info on William Player... his wifes family (Thomas Smith) had Thornton Hall Penrith & The Red Cow Inn (Hotel).. www.thorntonhall.homestead.com Cheers Laura ----- Original Message -----