Hello, I'm interested in contacting anyone who is a descendent of, or has an interest in, any of those people who were given land grants in the Castlereagh area in 1803-1804. I've listed the names of the land grantees below. With thanks, Danielle Embleton James McCarthy - 1804 Charles Palmer - 1803 James Badgery 1803 Andrew Thompson - 1804 William Baxter - 1803 John Bayliss - 1803 George Black - 1804 Donald Kennedy - 1803 Robert Smith - 1803 Gilbert Goodlit - 1803 Richard Oldwright - 1803 M. Mentz (or Mince) - 1803 William Tonks - 1803 John Harris - 1803 Thomas Cheshire - 1803 Thomas Lambley - 1803 John Jones - 1803 Stephen Smith - 1803 Edward Field - 1803 John Pickering - 1803 Samuel Stanyard - 1803 Mary Collett (Collitt) - 1803 George Fieldhouse - 1804 Robert Westmore - 1803 Thomas Appledore - 1803 Christopher Frederick - 1804 John Pugh - 1804 James Morris - 1804 Ralph Wilson - 1804 John Lees - 1804 William Neate Chapman - 1804 Captain Daniel Woodriffe - 1804 Scanned by PeNiCillin http://safe-t-net.pnc.com.au/

Hi all In my quest for the details of the Penrith and district soldiers, I came across a section on the Australian War Memorial site called: Australian Red Cross Society Wounded and Missing Enquiry Bureau Files. These contain statements from other soldiers who witnessed the casualty/death or were contacted about it. Often they give details such as location and the battalion's activities at the time of the soldier's death. Not all WW1 soldiers who died have Aust Red Cross records. Here is the link if you want to check it out. It is listed under the Biographical area on the War memorial's databases http://www.awm.gov.au/database/1drl428.asp Best wishes Jan

A new book on the history of Penrith and St Marys has just been published. It is titled "Pictorial History: Penrith & St Marys" and is written by Lorraine Stacker. The book covers the Aboriginal history of the area, European settlement and then the history of each of the suburbs in the Penrith & St Marys area. It includes over 160 pictures from a variety of collections including Penrith City Library, the Nepean District Historical Society, the State Library of NSW, State Rail Authority and the National Library of Australia. The book can be purchased through Penrith City Library for $25.00 or through your local bookstore (the publisher is Kingsclear Books). Kind Regards, Danielle Scanned by PeNiCillin http://safe-t-net.pnc.com.au/

Hi I doing my family tree, do anyone have a William Burgin/Burgess born 1838 how married Jane Bailey in Castlereach NSW in 1862 Jane was born 1845 died at Emu Plains NSW in 1869. Thanks. Regards Peter Proctor mogulones@ozemail.com.au

Hi Is anyone researching William Proctor and Mary Ann Mason if so could you please get in contact with me they all lived around the Penrith District. Willian Proctor born 1850 in South Creek, Nsw Australia Baptised 25 August 1850 and died 18 July 1943 in Penrith NSW Australia. He married Mary Ann Mason 1871 in St John The Baptists Mudgee NSW Australia, daughter of Richard Mason and Sarah Whitney. She was born 1854 in Mudgee NSW Australia, and died 1919 in NSW Australia. Children of Willian Proctor and Mary Mason are: i. William Richard4 Proctor, born 1871 in Penrith Nsw Australia; died 1947. ii. Francis (William) Aaron Proctor, born 1877 in Mudgee Nsw Australia; died 1970. iii. Ernest Samuel Proctor, born 1879 in Mudgee NSW Australia ,died 1880 . iv. Isaac James Proctor, born 1879 in Mudgee NSW Australia , died 1880 in Mudgee NSW Australia v. Mary Ann Proctor, born 1880 in Mudgee NSW Australia 1966 in Nsw Australia. She married William McGarity 1908 in Penrith NSW Australia; born in Penrith NSW Australia; died 1961. vi. Icevina Ada Proctor, born 1883 in Mudgee NSW Australia; died 1974. vii Ethel May Proctor, born 1885 in Mudgee NSW Australia; died 1934. viii. John Proctor, born 1887. ix. David H Proctor, born 1888 in Penrith NSW Australia x. Joseph Howell Proctor, born 1890 in Penrith Nsw Australia; died 1 October 1890. xi. Daisy Proctor, born 1892 in Penrith NSW Australia; died 1892. xii. Violet Proctor, born 1892 in Penrith NSW Australia died 1892 in Penrith NSW Australia xiii. Arthur Eward Claude Proctor, born 1894 in Penrith NSW Australia; died 1978 in Penrith. He married Angel W G Hayward 1921 in Paddington NSW. ? xiv. Priscilia Lilly Proctor, born 1897 in Penrith NSw Australia; died 1984. xv. Rezin D Proctor, born 1898 in Penrith Nsw Australia , died 1898 in Penrith NSW. Peter Mogulones@ozemail.com.au

Dear Lesley, Noticed your e-mail and thought that we would mention that in the Windsor & Richmond Gazette newspaper 1916-1920 index that we recently published, there were the mentions of the following names on your list... Haynes John 1 entry Cane Mrs 1 entry Shields 2 entries Clout 11 entries Cox 14 entries (no Harriett) Baker 4 entries Douglas/Douglass 46 entries Dunstan/Dunston 54 entries Daley 13 entries Also in another of our books - World War 1 Hawkesbury Heroes volumes 1 and 2, (also complied from the Windsor & Richmond Gazette newspaper between 1914 and 1920) there are quite a few mentions of ... Haynes Clout Cox (no Harriett) Baker Douglas/Douglass Dunstan/Dunston Daley Hope the above is of interest Best wishes, Rod & Wendy Gow Lesley wrote: > Researching > HAINES/HAYNES, CANE/KANE, SLADE, LENNON, HELMCKEN, SHEILDS, COCHRANE, CLOUT, COX (Harriett), BAKER, TUNKS, DOUGLAS, DUNSTAN and DALEY. > Lesley

Researching HAINES/HAYNES, CANE/KANE, SLADE, LENNON, HELMCKEN, SHEILDS, COCHRANE, CLOUT, COX (Harriett), BAKER, TUNKS, DOUGLAS, DUNSTAN and DALEY. Lesley Living the far, hot, dry north coast of NSW.

Hi Listers, The World War 2 Nominal Roll is now available on the web at the following site: http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/ The website contains information on approximately one million members who served during World War 2. Once you have found the record you are searching for, you can then print out a certificate if you wish. Kind Regards, Danielle Scanned by PeNiCillin http://safe-t-net.pnc.com.au/

Hi all The WW2 nominal roll for Australian Army, Air Force and Navy has just been released. The roll gives details about when they enlisted, last unit they served with, date of birth, next of kin etc. http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/ Best wishes Jan

Hello List A friend just sent me the following website where you can see pages of the Cumberland Times c1843-45 in case anyone is interested in going through the pages via Acrobat Reader - Index of Parramatta chronicle : and Cumberland general advertiser: http://www.nla.gov.au/ferg/bfull/14403439_bfull.html Regards Jac

The long awaited and much anticipated Pioneer Register for the Penrith area is now available. 718 pioneer families are listed in a two volumes. The cost is $50.00 plus postage & packing ($8.00 NSW - $10.00 interstate). To purchase a copy of "The Pioneers of Penrith and Nepean District 1788-1900" contact the Nepean Family History Society. Contact Details: Nepean Family History Society PO Box 81, Emu Plains NSW 2750 Phone: (02) 4735 3798 Kind Regards, Danielle Scanned by PeNiCillin http://safe-t-net.pnc.com.au/

Hi Listers, Is anyone researching the Sutton family of Penrith? Just found a marriage of Albury I Waters to Alice Sutton in 1915 in Penrith. I believe Alice was born 1895 to Albert and Wilhelmia? Sutton. Thank you Kris Kristine Wood Casual Records Clerk Griffith University Registry

Hi Julie Many thanks for the message. The Penrith rotunda was pulled down as it was not safe, the St Marys rotunda is still there and it seems strange that the guns, which were on both sides of the rotunda, were removed. The DMR know nothing about the removal of guns. Its an interesting puzzle that hopefully someone will be able to answer. best wishes Jan -----Original Message----- From: Julie McCREA [mailto:MacJules@iprimus.com.au] Sent: Saturday, 26 October 2002 12:38 PM To: Jan & Peter Herivel Subject: Re: [AUS-NSW-PENRITH] Penrith and St Marys War Memorials Hello Perhaps the RTA then the DMR would have been responsible for the demolition of the rotunda therefore the removal of the guns. If the rotunda was on re-claimed land for widening the highway the demolition/removal would have been out of Council's hands. Jules ----- Original Message ----- From: Jan & Peter Herivel To: AUS-NSW-PENRITH-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 9:32 AM Subject: FW: [AUS-NSW-PENRITH] Penrith and St Marys War Memorials -----Original Message----- From: Jan & Peter Herivel [mailto:herivels@pnc.com.au] Sent: Thursday, 24 October 2002 9:11 AM To: AUS-AIF Rootsweb; Greg Harper Subject: RE: [AUS-NSW-PENRITH] Penrith and St Marys War Memorials Hi all The guns appear to be removed by council at various times, St Marys are supposed to have been moved when the Great Western Highway was widened and Penrith at the time the rotunda was demolished. The time frame for the Penrith guns appears to have been somewhere between Nov 11, 1972 and Anzac Day 1973. I have narrowed it down to this time based on photographs in the Penrith Press for ceremonies on this day. RE council records on this. I work part time at Penrith library so have checked archival records etc but there doesn't appear to be any records on this. The archivist has also been asking old council employees from parks and gardens but no success. I have also tried the RSLS with no success. So the hunt goes on for the date of removal and also the fate of all of the guns. In the next couple of weeks, a new page will go up on the Penrith City ehistory war section on the war trophies (guns) and hopefully this might assist in solving this riddle. Best wishes Jan -----Original Message----- From: Greg Harper [mailto:geharper@froggy.com.au] Sent: Thursday, 17 October 2002 9:24 PM To: AUS-NSW-PENRITH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-NSW-PENRITH] Penrith and St Marys War Memorials In regards to Jan's question... I wonder if the removal of the guns was done by council and if so, is there access to council records which may describe the removal of the guns? What council records are generally available for public access? Regards, Greg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan & Peter Herivel" <herivels@pnc.com.au> To: <AUS-NSW-PENRITH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 9:03 AM Subject: [AUS-NSW-PENRITH] Penrith and St Marys War Memorials > Hi all > > Does anyone know when the guns were removed from the Penrith and St Marys > War Memorials? The Penrith rotunda was demolished sometime between 11 Nov > 1972 (Remembrance Day) and Anzac Day 1973. > > Were the guns still here at that time? The St Marys guns were removed > sometime between Jan 1960 and 1981. Does anyone have photos of the guns at > either of these memorials? > > > If you can answer yes to any of the above questions, you are a treasure and > can assist greatly in filling in some of the blanks. Looking forward to > hearing from any one on this matter > > Best wishes > > Jan > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > Scanned by PeNiCillin http://safe-t-net.pnc.com.au/

Dear Jan Noticed the recent e-mails re captured guns as war memorials, and although we have nothing on the St Mary’s memorial we thought that you may be interested in other captured trophies. The following extracts are from our recently released book World War 1 - Hawkesbury Heroes volume 2. by Rod & Wendy Gow & Val Birch This book is compiled of extracts from the Windsor & Richmond Gazette newspaper covering 1917-1919 (volume 1 covered 1914-1916) the datelines preceding the extract is the date of the newspaper the articles appeared in. Hope the following is of interest. Dateline - 7 March, 1919.... War Trophies Councillor J. E. McMahon, the retiring President of Colo Shire Council, has received an advice from Lieut-Col. L. J. Morshead, commanding the 33rd Battalion, regarding captured German guns to be presented to the district. The communication was addressed personally to Cr. J. E. McMahon, President of Kurrajong Shire, Kurrajong, and some doubt exists as to whether the trophies are for Colo Shire as a whole, or the Kurrajong portion only. Cr. McMahon has written Lieut-Col. Morshead pointing out that there is no Kurrajong Shire, and seeking further information. The following is an exact copy of the letter received .... France 27-10-18. Dear Sir, On behalf of all ranks of the 33rd Battalion, I ask of you the privilege to present to the Shire of Kurrajong the following war trophies captured by us during the summer operations of this year. Machine Gun No. 2564, captured at Accroche Wood, 8-8-18. Machine Gun No. 8341, captured near Bouchavesnes, 31-8-18. Application has been made for these trophies to be sent to Kurrajong, but it will be some considerable time before they reach you. Our first consideration has been that the achievements of the Battalion should be adequately represented in the Australian War Museum, and most of our trophies have been disposed of accordingly. While we have given the War Museum prior claim to any trophy presented elsewhere, I do not anticipate that they will need to avail themselves of it. Such a request would be granted only with the full consent of those cities and towns concerned. I trust that you will not deem the present of trophies under such conditions a doubtful compliment. I feel sure that you are as anxious as we are that the exhibits of the 33rd Battalion will be worthy of its achievements. It fills me with pride to tell you that your men have all proved themselves magnificent soldiers. They have covered themselves and Australia with glory. Kurrajong has been worthily represented. May I take this opportunity of expressing our very deep gratitude to the many people of Kurrajong for all their many kindnesses and their generous and thoughtful interest in our welfare and comfort. We appreciate all that they have done for us. Dateline - 16 May, 1919.... War Trophies During the time that he occupied the Presidential chair of Colo Shire Council, Councillor J. E. McMahon received a rather mystifying letter from Colonel Morshead, who commanded the 33rd Brigade, A.I.F. in France. The letter stated that two machine guns captured by the gallant 33rd had been allocated to Kurrajong Shire. Cr. McMahon was doubtful whether the trophies were intended for Colo Shire, or the Kurrajong district, which forms part of the Shire, so he wrote to Colonel Morshead in January last for more specific particulars. He has just received a reply, a copy of which we give below, and in which he speaks highly of the brave "Kurrajongs", one of whom, George Cartwright won the V.C. .... Bhurtpore Barracks, Tidworth, England, March 4, 1919. My Dear Councillor McMahon, your letter of January 17 reached me yesterday. When I allocated a proportion of the war trophies captured by the 33rd Battalion I had in mind the various centres from which my men enlisted. Practically the whole of one company came from your district, and they have always been known as "The Kurrajongs." They did magnificently, and the Battalion has always been very proud of them. One of them, Pte. George Cartwright won the V.C. I thought that as Kurrajong had been so worthily represented, the trophies should go to that town. We could not send trophies to all the places from which our men came, had the war lasted longer we should have been able to do so. Those trophies sent to you were for the Kurrajong district, and as to their disposal, I leave that entirely to you and your fellow citizens. The first quota of the Battalion for repatriation is in England, and should be back in Australia in 3 or 4 months. I left the Battalion last week, and am now Assistant Adjutant and Quarter-Master General of the A.I.F. in the United Kingdom. I was indeed exceedingly sorry to have left the Battalion, for even though it has now been practically broken up, I should have preferred to return with one of the Battalion drafts. It was a great honor and a privilege to have commanded the 33rd for three years, and having brought them from Australia I should have liked to have gone back with them. However, a soldier obeys orders. On my return to Australia I look forward to a trip to New England. I was in Armidale for two years, 1912-1913, so I know that part fairly well. I thank you very heartily for you exceedingly kind letter, and I reciprocate all you good wishes. Yours very sincerely, Leslie J. Morshead. Lieut.-Colonel. Dateline - 23 May, 1919.... Pte. George Cartwright V.C. Last week we referred briefly to Pte. George Cartwright’s meritorious feat in winning the Victoria Cross. Additional particulars are now to hand. Though born and reared in the Hawkesbury district, Pte. Cartwright enlisted at Elsmore, near Inverell, over three years ago and served the whole of his time in France. He is 24 years of age and is exceedingly modest concerning his deeds at the war. The King decorated Pte. Cartwright with the Victoria Cross at Buckingham Palace on March 8 last. He was gassed at Villiers-Bretonneux and wounded at Messines and at Bony, while in action against the Hindenburg line. He won his distinction at Wood Road, south-west of Beauchavesnes, near St. Quentin on March 31 last year. When he landed from the ‘Khyber’ last week, Pte. Cartwright was met at the wharf by the District Commandant and Mr. Fitzgerald, Minister for Health, who represented the N.S.W. Government, and conveyed by motor car to Anzac Buffet. He was cheered enthusiastically on arrival by the large crowd, after which he was bombarded by camera and press men. The routine order in possession of the brave young soldier gives particulars of the adventure that gained him his V.C. The order sets out that Pte. Cartwright had been awarded the V.C. for most conspicuous valor and devotion to duty on the morning of August 31, 1918, during the attack on Wood Road. Pte. Cartwright, it states, displayed exceptional gallantry and enterprise, and showed disregard of a most withering machine gun fire. Two companies were held up by a machine gun firing from the south-western edge of the wood. Without hesitation, Pte. Cartwright stood up, and walking towards the gun, fired his rifle from his shoulder. He shot No. 1 gunner. Another German manned the gun, and he killed him. A third German attempted to fire the gun, and Pte. Cartwright killed him also. He than threw a bomb at the post, and on its exploding, he rushed forward, captured the gun and nine Germans. Our line immediately rushed forward, loudly cheering. This magnificent deed had a most inspiring effect on the whole line, all strove to emulate his gallantry. The Field-Marshal, corps, divisional and brigade commanders desire that their congratulations be conveyed to Pte. Cartwright. The commanding officer also desires to congratulate him. Pte. Cartwright belonged to the 33rd Battalion, commanded by Lieut.-Colonel Leslie J. Morshead. A company of that Battalion is composed almost entirely of men from the Hawkesbury District, and they called themselves. "The Kurrajongs." They are reported to have done magnificently at the front, and the Battalion was exceedingly proud of them. Two German machine guns captured by the 33rd have been allocated to the Kurrajong District to commemorate the brave deeds of "The Kurrajongs" and in a letter to Councillor J. E. McMahon, J.P., Lieut.-Colonel Morshead states that they have been sent on. Dateline - 19 July, 1918.... German Gun for Riverstone That Riverstone should receive a war souvenir in the shape of a German machine gun is a distinction that few country towns can claim and many will envy. It seems that under certain circumstances men are able to claim captured enemy guns as war trophies, and Mr. Chas. Davis has received a communication from Lieut. Fred Hayward, who enlisted from Marsden Park, that he is putting in a claim for a German machine gun of the Maxim type, which was captured by Australians during the raid on Warueton near Lille on the night of the 3rd. or 4th. of last March. If the claim is allowed, Lieut. Hayward will present the gun to the people of Riverstone, to be placed in a public place, somewhere in the town. The gun is being sent to Australia through the Australian War Museum marked ‘for presentation to the Riverstone people by Lieut. Fred Hayward’, and the authorities have been notified that Mr. Davis is to make claim on the people’s behalf. Lieut. Hayward says it should be a fine souvenir and he thinks it would be worth putting in a case, but where it would be placed would of course be a matter for the people to decide. He suggests that the railway station would be a suitable place. The gun is in thorough working order, and has, as a matter of fact, been used by the Australians against the Germans, and has quite a history attached to it’s capture. Dateline - 19 December, 1919.... Captured Howitzer as Memorial The war authorities have intimated to Col. J. J. Paine, commanding the 5th. Battalion of the 20th. Regiment, their intention to present to his unit a German 42 Howitzer gun, which was captured by the 20th. Battalion of the A.I.F. This large gun will be despatched by the Dept. of Defence to Col. Paine and then the question of the town in which it will be placed will have to be decided. As Col. Paine’s command extends right out to Mudgee, Bathurst, Blayney and Lithgow, these parts may have claims to its custody. Seeing, however, that the town of Windsor is the place where the old battalion (of which the 5th. of the 20th. is now successor), was formed over 60 years ago, and that the old town is so closely identified with the early settlement of Australia, it would not seem unreasonable that Windsor should have first claim. Jan & Peter Herivel wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: Jan & Peter Herivel [mailto:herivels@pnc.com.au] > Sent: Thursday, 24 October 2002 9:11 AM > To: AUS-AIF Rootsweb; Greg Harper > Subject: RE: [AUS-NSW-PENRITH] Penrith and St Marys War Memorials > > Hi all > > The guns appear to be removed by council at various times, St Marys are > supposed to have been moved when the Great Western Highway was widened and > Penrith at the time the rotunda was demolished. The time frame for the > Penrith guns appears to have been somewhere between Nov 11, 1972 and Anzac > Day 1973. I have narrowed it down to this time based on photographs in the > Penrith Press for ceremonies on this day. > > I work part time at Penrith library so have checked archival records etc but > there doesn't appear to be any records on this. The archivist has also been > asking old council employees from parks > and gardens but no success.... So > the hunt goes on for the date of removal and also the fate of all of the > guns. In the next couple of weeks, a new page will go up on the Penrith > City ehistory war section on the war trophies (guns) and hopefully this > might assist in solving this riddle. > > Best wishes > > Jan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg Harper [mailto:geharper@froggy.com.au] > Sent: Thursday, 17 October 2002 9:24 PM > To: AUS-NSW-PENRITH-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [AUS-NSW-PENRITH] Penrith and St Marys War Memorials > > In regards to Jan's question... I wonder if the removal of the guns was done > by council and if so, is there access to council records which may describe > the removal of the guns? What council records are generally available for > public access? > > Regards, > > Greg > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jan & Peter Herivel" <herivels@pnc.com.au> > To: <AUS-NSW-PENRITH-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 9:03 AM > Subject: [AUS-NSW-PENRITH] Penrith and St Marys War Memorials > > > Hi all > > > > Does anyone know when the guns were removed from the Penrith and St Marys > > War Memorials? The Penrith rotunda was demolished sometime between 11 Nov > > 1972 (Remembrance Day) and Anzac Day 1973. > > > > Were the guns still here at that time? The St Marys guns were removed > > sometime between Jan 1960 and 1981. Does anyone have photos of the guns > at > > either of these memorials? > > > > > > If you can answer yes to any of the above questions, you are a treasure > and > > can assist greatly in filling in some of the blanks. Looking forward to > > hearing from any one on this matter > > > > Best wishes > > > > Jan > > > >

-----Original Message----- From: Jan & Peter Herivel [mailto:herivels@pnc.com.au] Sent: Thursday, 24 October 2002 9:11 AM To: AUS-AIF Rootsweb; Greg Harper Subject: RE: [AUS-NSW-PENRITH] Penrith and St Marys War Memorials Hi all The guns appear to be removed by council at various times, St Marys are supposed to have been moved when the Great Western Highway was widened and Penrith at the time the rotunda was demolished. The time frame for the Penrith guns appears to have been somewhere between Nov 11, 1972 and Anzac Day 1973. I have narrowed it down to this time based on photographs in the Penrith Press for ceremonies on this day. RE council records on this. I work part time at Penrith library so have checked archival records etc but there doesn't appear to be any records on this. The archivist has also been asking old council employees from parks and gardens but no success. I have also tried the RSLS with no success. So the hunt goes on for the date of removal and also the fate of all of the guns. In the next couple of weeks, a new page will go up on the Penrith City ehistory war section on the war trophies (guns) and hopefully this might assist in solving this riddle. Best wishes Jan -----Original Message----- From: Greg Harper [mailto:geharper@froggy.com.au] Sent: Thursday, 17 October 2002 9:24 PM To: AUS-NSW-PENRITH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-NSW-PENRITH] Penrith and St Marys War Memorials In regards to Jan's question... I wonder if the removal of the guns was done by council and if so, is there access to council records which may describe the removal of the guns? What council records are generally available for public access? Regards, Greg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan & Peter Herivel" <herivels@pnc.com.au> To: <AUS-NSW-PENRITH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 9:03 AM Subject: [AUS-NSW-PENRITH] Penrith and St Marys War Memorials > Hi all > > Does anyone know when the guns were removed from the Penrith and St Marys > War Memorials? The Penrith rotunda was demolished sometime between 11 Nov > 1972 (Remembrance Day) and Anzac Day 1973. > > Were the guns still here at that time? The St Marys guns were removed > sometime between Jan 1960 and 1981. Does anyone have photos of the guns at > either of these memorials? > > > If you can answer yes to any of the above questions, you are a treasure and > can assist greatly in filling in some of the blanks. Looking forward to > hearing from any one on this matter > > Best wishes > > Jan > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > Scanned by PeNiCillin http://safe-t-net.pnc.com.au/

Hi Ian From the documents contained in AWM 194, there is no mention of them being the property of the Federal government. Rather each community had to appoint three trustees, one of whom had to be a member of the AIF and the committee had to agree to the guns being permanently housed in a public park, building or garden, and were responsible for preservation and safe custody. They also had to arrange a ceremony for the handing over of the guns and also bear all costs. I have been in contact with the AWM over several months now and have accessed the files from the State Trophy Committees etc. A lot of the records are incomplete or missing but I was fortunate enough to obtain the details of trustees, some gun numbers etc. Additionally Ross Billett's book on war trophies mentions nothing about federal control. If anyone knows more about this, I would be happy to hear from you. Best wishes -----Original Message----- From: Ian Welch [mailto:ianwelch@coombs.anu.edu.au] Sent: Thursday, 24 October 2002 1:17 PM To: AUS-AIF-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-AIF-1914-1919 ] RE: [AUS-NSW-PENRITH] Penrith and StMarys War Memorials From Ian Welch ianwelch@coombs.anu.edu.au WWI guns were destributed around Australia but remained, as I understand it, the property of the Federal Government and are managed, if that is the term, by the Australian War Memorial. I suggest contacting the AWM re guns and in particular, any recent discussions etc. Ian ianwelch@coombs.anu.edu.au Scanned by PeNiCillin http://safe-t-net.pnc.com.au/

Hi list I am interested in finding out the origin of Denintend Place. Its in a 1980s housing estate south of Penrith CBD. Its located within a 60 acre grant to Obadiah Ikin (my ancestor) in 1810. Obadiah leased it to Thomas Rose also in 1810. The grant document says its name was Derrintend Farm. A survey map says its Denintend Farm. As its likely Obadiah gave the farm its name and lived there too we think by himself. So where does the name come from? Obadiah was batised in Whitchurch, Shropshire in 1761 and came out as a soldier in theNSW Corps on the Surprise with his family. The most likely answer is an old suburb of Birmingham - Deritend. Nothing found remotely like Denintend. Any clues anyone? By the way no one has been able to establish Obadiah's death details. Its likely he was deceased before 29 Jan 1813 as his wife is described as a widow in her will - No 42 in NSW. Grahame Thom

For those listers who have families from the St Marys area that they are researching, the 1872 Greville's Official Post Office Directory for St Marys might be of interest. The name, occupation and residence are listed on the following website: http://www.penrithcity.nsw.gov.au/history/1872grevilles.htm Danielle Scanned by PeNiCillin http://safe-t-net.pnc.com.au/

Does anyone know anything about the Royal Orange Lodge in Penrith in the 1800s? Or about the Sons and Daughters of Brinckley, which I believe was part of the Lodge. Thanks, Diane

In regards to Jan's question... I wonder if the removal of the guns was done by council and if so, is there access to council records which may describe the removal of the guns? What council records are generally available for public access? Regards, Greg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan & Peter Herivel" <herivels@pnc.com.au> To: <AUS-NSW-PENRITH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 9:03 AM Subject: [AUS-NSW-PENRITH] Penrith and St Marys War Memorials > Hi all > > Does anyone know when the guns were removed from the Penrith and St Marys > War Memorials? The Penrith rotunda was demolished sometime between 11 Nov > 1972 (Remembrance Day) and Anzac Day 1973. > > Were the guns still here at that time? The St Marys guns were removed > sometime between Jan 1960 and 1981. Does anyone have photos of the guns at > either of these memorials? > > > If you can answer yes to any of the above questions, you are a treasure and > can assist greatly in filling in some of the blanks. Looking forward to > hearing from any one on this matter > > Best wishes > > Jan > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >