The Society of Australian Genealogists (SAG) is having its annual Showcase on Friday 30 & Saturday 31 May 2003 from 10am-4pm. The day offers: * Help with Australian and overseas research * Lectures on many topics over the two days * New and secondhand book sales, charts etc * Displays and stalls by numerous government and commerical organisations * Scrapbooking * Special interest groups - British in India, German, London and Home Counties, Irish, Scottish and more * Sausage sizzle, coffee and cakes Advanced ticket sales are $10.00 for one day or $15.00 for two days. Purchase at the door and the cost is $15.00 per day. All prices include GST and programme. For further information contact the Society of Australian Genealogists on 02 9247 3953 or at www.sag.org.au Regards, Danielle The information contained in this e-mail message may be confidential information and may also be the subject of legal professional privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, disclosure or copying of this document is unauthorised. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately. Scanned by PeNiCillin http://safe-t-net.pnc.com.au/

Nepean Family History Society are holding a half-day seminar on Saturday 10 May 2003. Speakers are Selena Williams (State Archivist) on 'Tips & Tactics' for family historians using state archives; Hazel Magann on how to trace your convict ancestors. Saturday 10 May 2003 9.30am to 2.30pm Old School Hall Lawson Street, Emu Plains Cost $15.00 (includes morning tea & a light lunch) For further information contact: Rose Greene - 4735 8374 or Sue Breeze - 4735 1818 Regards, Danielle The information contained in this e-mail message may be confidential information and may also be the subject of legal professional privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, disclosure or copying of this document is unauthorised. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately. Scanned by PeNiCillin http://safe-t-net.pnc.com.au/

Good morning I've been wondering whether anyone has come across information about the HUNT family who lived in the Penrith area from about the early 1870s until the 1890s. Philip HUND (later anglicised to HUNT) emigrated from Germany to Australia in late 1852 with his wife Barbara. They arrived at Sydney in April 1853. Their growing family lived in the Campbelltown area from about the mid 1850s to early 1870s when they moved to the Penrith area. Philip died in his house at Penrith in 1892. Any information or research tips would be gratefully appreciated. Cheers Richard Hunt

Does anyone have any information on the SAWYER family who arrived in Australia in 1869 ...Ros - Qld

Hi - have received this information - Mary Elizabeth Martin, daughter of Martha (nee Price) and Robert Cooper Martin (lived Cobbora) married William Chandler. His death information notes that he died 22nd October 1909 of a malignant disease. Parents Christopher Chandler engineer and Patience nee Cook. He was born Forest Dene Gloucestershire and had been in the Colony for 44 years. He was 28 when he married Mary Elizabeth Martin. Surviving children, Louisa 35, Amelia 30, Ellen 28, Janet 21 - one male (William died 1906 or 7 - brain tumour) deceased. William owned land at Cobbora as did his wife. He later sold it and was a blacksmith. Ann

To: AUS-NSW-PENRITH-L@rootsweb.com WONDERING WHY CASTLEREAGH-PENRITH-EMU PLAINS EXISTS by John Byrnes Castlereagh Study Group http://www.webspawner.com/users/castlereagh/index.html Hello Penrith listers, Here's a few thoughts of mine about what formed the sandy plain we now call Penrith, Emu Plains and Castlereagh (really one continuous geological formation historically divided for naming-convenience by the river channel). The Castlereagh river flats land and the Emu Plains are all the same thing just divided by an east-west bit of the river, namely one big expanse of alluvium .. All this abundance of sand which attracted quarrying to the area from very early days (including as a source for concrete for Warragamba Dam), from about 1880 I think (The Department of Mines kept rather meagre of records of what went on around Penrith in quarrying the alluvium, and sand extraction has never attracted anything like the geological attention that metals mining gets). Why is that big flat wide area of river deposits there anyway? I'm uncertain, as probably you are too(?). One obvious aim of the Castlereagh study group which I hope to promote is to very comprehensively collect ALL references to everything written on Castlereagh (and make this easily available ~ for if such a bibliography already existed it could be emailed or downloaded by anybody with ease - such is the computer age). The fact is I don't have a bibliography (just the aim to see one grow) and merely append here a meagre few references. So, for all one knows, there maybe is already in the literature some publications where somebody has already explained why the sandy plain exists? If so, please forgive my ignorance of it. Equally I know there have been some significant prehistoric finds too (stone artefacts) but I don't have the references to those either (,,,, and would appreciate getting such from anybody who does). One suspects that the alluvial plain was built up somehow in connection with the observed fact that the Nepean River at Penrith diverges out eastwards from its general northwards course along the Lapstone Monocline or foot of the Blue Mountains. Downstream of its confluence with the Warragamba the Nepean River falls into alignment with a lineament named the Kooree Creek Lineament (which extends northeasterly towards Maroota). I don't know where Kooree Creek is (somewhere to the NE?) and this lineament was named by Maugher et al. (1984) as part of a bigger study of fracture patterns. This lineament might be a zone of jointing which allowed deeper weathering and softening of the strata and was where the river could more easily erode away the stone. Thus the river was diverted to the northeast but its present course does not continue all that far to the northeast before swinging back to return to the Lapstone Monocline, and in the process give us features like Birds Eye Bend. What made it divert back to the Lapstone Monocline; why didn't it just continue going northeast directly towards Windsor once it had fallen under the influence of the Koree Creek Lineament? It did likely go a bit further northeast along the lineament in the past. Nowadays the river begins to turn in its swing back westwards at the Penrith Weir but in the past it probably continued northeasterly as far as Cranebrook Road and then swung back towards the west, passing along west of the foot of the terrace (Londonderry Terrace). A previous channel of the Nepean River can easily be recognised there to have run along the foot of this terrace. There is still a mild depression there, filled by about 2m of pale grey sand overlain by 3m of black clay. This clay band has been dated at 34,200 BP (Nanson and Young, 1985). It is also noted that the Willan (1925) map also shows a line of gravels along this orientation as well (whatever that means?). Whatever it did, and why ever it did it, this lateral mobility of the river around Penrith is what formed the alluvial plain. The details of it all would be quite complex I feel, and the sediments below the Castlereagh flats should bear a rich historic record of the last thirty or forth thousand years or more (I'd take a punt at sixty thousand years myself). I wonder how much of this history will get recorded, or deciphered .. as so much of it is destined to be soon lost forever. I first had some interest in this sedimentary sequence because of the large silcrete boulders that have been hit in the gravel pits (e.g. in the pit just north of Farrells Lane and east of Cranebrook Creek, GR 855678) and which have now been placed outside the aboriginal display centre (Long's old house?) at Castlereagh ~ becoming something like Castlereagh's answer to Stonehenge I always think. At that particular spot just cited, the gravel excavator also brought up large lumps of fresh Ashfield Shale when I visited (many years ago). Several of these silcrete boulders have been recovered, apparently always at the base of the gravels and in this respect it resembles the record of such large silcrete clasts in river deposits elsewhere in the world, in that these large clasts tend to work their way down to the bottom of the bedload. Also it is typical of them to be scarred with zillions of little crescentic percussion marks that record the strikes of cobbles against them during fast flow periods. The original source of these large clasts may have been a silicified sand horizon formed anything up to 20m higher than the present river flats. Earlier on (Byrnes 1982) I'd thought that the Nepean River was likely entrenched to a stratigraphic level about 15m above the base of the Ashfield Shale. This was based upon recovery of a piece of a distinctive rock type (shale spotted with small phosphatic concretions) which had been excavated at gravel workings "downstream of Penrith Weir". As that weir is further east than the river at Castlereagh, the river bed at Castlereagh could be incised even closer to the base of the Ashfield Shale. Now a map by Willan (1925) of the Sydney District interestingly shows the "Sea Level" structure contour on the base of the Ashfield Shale as running north between Castlereagh Road and the river, and crossing the river both near Jacksons Ford and Yarramundi. The river is at about 10m about sea level just above Jacksons Ford. Very roughly then, below the Castlereagh flats the base of the Ashfield Shale (and underlying Hawkesbury Sandstone) might be down about 22m (which is the elevation of the flats above sea level). Doubtless the quarry geologists would have worked all that out long ago more precisely, but I'm not aware of any references. The prominent escarpment which forms the eastern boundary of the fertile Castlereagh river flats is cut in a geomorphic terrace of older river gravels which Walker and Hawkins (1957) named the Londonderry Terrace. The river in relatively recent times became entrenched through a narrow cutting at Castlereagh, which Walker and Hawkins called the "Castlereagh neck" (and also this is where the river from its most divergent phase re-joined the monocline). It is also apparently a prominent nickpoint in the stream channel gradient. That may correspond, some postulate, to the point of maximum upstream extent of Pleistocene low sea level influence. The gravels underlying the Castlereagh flats have been found to contain logs and radiocarbon dates on these range back to 32,000 BP and the oldest sediments might have been deposited around 42,000 BP (Nanson and Young, 1985). At the surface of the flats the unit east of Cranebrook Creek, called the McCarthy's Lane unit by Atkinson (1982) is older than the unit west of Cranebrook Creek which is called the Castlereagh Road unit. This can be thought to reflect the migration of the plains building back towards the west after the phase of maximum divergence along the Koree Creek lineament. REFERENCES Atkinson, G., 1982. Soil survey and erosion control measures for the Penrith Lakes Scheme. Soil Conservation Service of New South Wales. 74 pp. (unpubl.). Byrnes, J.G. and Ferguson, A., 1982. Lithological evidence that the Nepean River channel lies within basal Ashfield Shale at Emu Plains. Geological Survey of New South Wales. Pet Rep No 82/51. Mauger, A.J., Creasey, J.W., and Huntington, J.F., 1984. Extracts and notes on the Penrith 1:100,000 sheet, IN: The Use of Pre-development Data for Mine Design: Sydney Basin Fracture Pattern Analysis. CSIRO Division of Mineral Physics - Report for National Energy Research Development and Demonstration Program Project 81/1357. Nanson, G.C. and Young, R.W., 1985. Late Quaternary history of the Nepean River near Penrith, New South Wales. Geological Society of Australia. Abstracts 13, 25-27. Willan, T.L., 1925. Geological map of the Sydney District. Prepared under the direction of E. C. Andrews, B.A. Government Geologist, Department of Mines, New South Wales, 1925. Walker, P.H. and Hawkins, C.A., 1957. A study of river terraces and soil development on the Nepean River, New South Wales. Royal Society of New South Wales, Journal and Proceedings, 91, 67-84.

TO: AUS-NSW-PENRITH-L@rootsweb.com, jennyblyth@hotmail.com >At 10:17 AM 4/25/03 +0000, Jenny Blyth wrote: >Some web pages for people to look at: >http://groups.msn.com/JamesHowlettandCatherineHectorandFamily/_whatsnew.msnw >http://groups.msn.com/JAMIESONFAMILY1/ >http://groups.msn.com/JennyBlyth/homepage >http://groups.msn.com/HenryLeeandHarriettMuddle Thanks Jenny, And here two I made (just very basic and not a fraction as pretty as yours): http://www.webspawner.com/users/castlereagh/index.htm - Castlereagh Study Group http://www.webspawner.com/users/thebyrnes/index.html - Byrnes and Irish Study Group General purpose of them is to encourage sharing of information. Either/Both groups are free to join. Any mistakes on them will be quickly rectified if advised of. - How to join? Send an email saying you wish to belong to the group - Send Email to john.mail@ozemail.com.au For example, in more detail, the purpose re the Castlereagh one is to promote, and engage in, the sharing of information on Castlereagh. How to do that? I would suggest that "digital" is the most convenient way to go, compile and share on CD-ROM or floppies and send those via the post; but of course snail mail, talks, meetings .... all are ways to share. Possible interests: * Building a BIBLIOGRAPHY * Aboriginal, European, Natural, Geological History * Finding links to the histories of Castlereagh settler families (How many have web pages? Their URLs?) And as regards the Byrnes group, it is hoped to hold a reunion back to Castlereagh in early 2004. But please, we could do with any help as we are currently VERY small (we currently feel that many/most Byrnes'es who are descendents of the Byrnes'es buried at Castlereagh probably do not even know that they come from Castlereagh .. first of all someone has to tell them. There would presumably be a thousand or more descendents of our ancestors David and Ann who are buried in the hill cemetery, in the corner near Rev. Fulton's crypt at Castlereagh. I'm not sure how to reach as many as possible of the descendants. If you can help. of give tips on how to do a reunion, please contact me and I'd enjoy hearing from you. Kind Regards, John Graham Byrnes (Geologist, NSW govt.) St. Leonards

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Dear Peter, There is a mention of the death of a William Grinsell Burgis in the Windsor & Richmond Gazette newspaper index in 1914, would he be the person you are researching ? Best wishes, Rod & Wendy Gow Peter John Proctor wrote: > Dear List, > Does any one have any info on William Burgin / Burgess / Borgan ( my great-grandfather ) born abt 1838 England married Jane Bailey. She was born 1845 & died 1869 at Penrith . > > Regard Peter mogulones@ozemail.com.au -- ****************************************************************************** Check out our home page for information on our latest newspaper indexing projects and works in progress at http://www3.ceinternet.com.au/~rgow Indexing newspapers - a fascinating hobby - why not index your local newspaper as a resource to other family history researchers. ******************************************************************************

Dear List, Does any one have any info on Sophia Strewart born 1828 at Penrith NSW & died in 1907.Sophia married Robert Bailey at Mount Pleasant in 1846. Regard Peter mogulones@ozemail.com.au

Dear List, Does any one have any info on James Pye born 1857 at Rope Creek & died in 1949. Regard Peter mogulones@ozemail.com.au

Dear List, Does any one have any info on William Burgin / Burgess / Borgan ( my great-grandfather ) born abt 1838 England married Jane Bailey. She was born 1845 & died 1869 at Penrith . Regard Peter mogulones@ozemail.com.au

Dear List, Does any one have any info on my g- grandmother: SYLVIA PLAYER nee SMITH born 1863 at PENRITH and resided later at WILLOUGHBY NSW. Parents: Thomas & Jane SMITH nee Laimbeer Husband: William PLAYER See below for more and our web site www.thorntonhall.homestead.com Sylvia was born on 29 August 1863 in Penrith and married William Player on 28 June 1883. They had 3 children- (1) Sylvia (84/08054) married S G Randall, hotelier; (2) William Thomas., born 1886, married Josephine Morley:... (3) Sydney Reginald (88/30776) d 1953; married Emily Ginns: (3) This couple featured prominently in Penrith and were well known and highly esteemed. They ran the Red Cow Inn (Penrith, for a while after her parents retired. Sylvia's husband worked in the Railway, left, and was licensee of several hotels around Penrith then re-entered railway service as stationmaster at 3 stations. He was also a Mayor of Penrith for three successive terms and died in 1922. Sylvia died in 1929 at Willoughby NSW at her son Sydney Player's residence and is buried at the Waverley Cemetery with her husband. Regards... Laura Player Perth West Australia

>From Susan My ancestor, Arthur Acteson, was transported on England in 1835 using the name Thomas Burdeu: several different spellings, Burdine being one of them... in 1843 he married Emma Arnold in the parish of St Matthew, Windsor, using the name Thomas Arthur Acteson He had gained his ticket-of-leave in 1839 and had worked for several years in the Windsor district: it is said for his mate, Windred's, uncle I am very keen to find out about Emma's parents so if anyone can help I would be most grateful ! Thomas Burdeu went to the Californian goldfields with William Windred: I would like info about Windred's descendnants too if possible as there is quite story to pass on to them... Susan Patterson

As I'm sure some of you know, The Makings of a City: Bicentenary of European Settlement conference was held on Saturday 29 March. We have started to put together the different papers presented at the conference on our website. The web address is: http://www.penrithcity.nsw.gov.au/history/conference2003.htm Kind Regards, Danielle The information contained in this e-mail message may be confidential information and may also be the subject of legal professional privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, disclosure or copying of this document is unauthorised. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately. Scanned by PeNiCillin http://safe-t-net.pnc.com.au/

Hello Listers I'm looking for information on John Henry SMITH, born Colyton 1861, parents Thomas & Jane (nee Laimbeer) Smith; died Colyton 1916 and buried at St Mary Magdalene's churchyard, St Marys. He married Laura Ada BARNETT at Windsor in 1881 and they had 2 children, Laura (Mrs Meyer of Haberfield) and Keith B J Smith, last heard of at Gilgandra, NSW. Jack's occupation at time of death was Inspector of Conditional Purchases in the Lands Dept and had been stationed at Dubbo, Singleton and Port Macquarie respectively, but is thought to have lived on his inherited farms at Colyton at least a few years prior to his death. Several years later Laura re-married Elias John Joseph HAMON, widower; no children. Any descendants from Laura MEYER or Keith SMITH out there? Regards Jacquie Christensen, Ormiston, Qld.

Hello List - errrr, now you've woken me up! I've been researching my Penrith family for many years and mostly just observe on the list in the hope that someone will express an interest in - William Augustus SMITH born Rope's Creek, 1850 to Thomas and Jane (nee Laimbeer) Smith who built the "Red Cow" hotel, Penrith. Have lots of info on the parents and some of the more notable siblings, but William was the family rover who travelled to remote properties around Qld and N. West NSW for about 10 years after 1870 using his occupations as a bootmaker/saddler; pastoral agent/auctioneer cum licensed bookie to support his family. He was married 3 times that we know of, the first wife Jane WALTERS he married at Mudgee in 1870, probably an elopement that was later annulled, or maybe she died. Can find no record? wife No. 2 was Mary Molloy WICKHAM, born Drayton NSW & Qld, 1859, married Clermont Qld, 1875; wife No. 3 was Mary Jane MURPHY of Armidale, married Newtown, 1886; and common law wife Mrs Ann Eliza LAWLER nee HEMSWORTH in Bourke, NSW from approx 1882 - 1896. William lived with his last wife, Mary Jane Murphy, and daughter Rubie Violet (Mrs George H A MATTHEWS of Parkes, NSW) in the Penrith district from about 1896 until his death at his inherited property in Colyton in 1923 of asthma and is buried near the family plot at St Mary Magdalene's c/yard, St Marys in an unmarked grave. Regards Jacquie Christensen, Ormiston, Qld.

Hi Everyone, I have just signed on so let me introduce myself. My name is Lesley Forbes and I am researching John Weavers (convict), Mary (Nash) Smith (convict) and their descendants - no they weren't married to each other. But two of their descendants were: John Weavers and Sarah Rowe-Herbert. What I am wanting is to get a general idea of the conditions of the time. So if anyone can steer me towards the right reading matter, that would be nice. Also if there are any other "twigs" out there it would be nice to here from you. Cheers, Lesley Forbes

Dera Danielle, Noticed you are researching CHALKER. There is a mention in the - Windsor & Richmond Gazette newspaper 1911-1915 index to births deaths marriages inquests obituaries probates etc - that we published. We extracted the entries just in case you may not have seen them..... Chalker Master (State School boy) Legal Riverstone 1914 Chalker Patrick (State School boy) Funeral 11 Windsor R C Cemetery 1914 Chalker Patrick (State School boy) Obituary 11 Windsor Hospital 1914 Best wishes, Rod & Wendy Gow Danielle wrote: > > > I'm researching the Chalker/Charker line. > > Kind Regards, > > Danielle > List Admin ****************************************************************************** Check out our home page for information on our latest newspaper indexing projects and works in progress at http://www3.ceinternet.com.au/~rgow Indexing newspapers - a fascinating hobby - why not index your local newspaper as a resource to other family history researchers. ******************************************************************************