Hi Listers, I am back after a short break and am still looking for STAPLEY, FROST, & WELLER descendsnts. If there is anyone on this list researching these families I would like to hear from you Marie Young

Hi Glenys, This list doesn't cover the areas that you mentioned in your email. You would be better off sending a post to the AUS-NSW-SYDNEY list. You can find details at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/AUS-NSW-SYDNEY/ Regards, Danielle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenys Petry" <petrym@xtra.co.nz> To: <AUS-NSW-PENRITH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 8:15 PM Subject: [AUS-NSW-PENRITH] New lister - help required > Hello list - > Does this list cover the area of Liverpool, or Gladesville or Rockdale, NSW. or is there another list > Thanks > > > Glenys

Hi Glenys, Liverpool, Gladesville and Rockdale are all further from Penrith than a wombat could walk in a day I'm afraid (quite regardless of the amount of traffic). But I cannot help with other site addresses, which likely others on the list will know about. Penrith is at the very western edge of the 'Sydney' (Cumberland) plains, and right at the foot of the Blue Mountains. Cheers, John Byrnes At 22:15 14/01/04 +1300, you wrote: >Hello list - >Does this list cover the area of Liverpool, or Gladesville or Rockdale, NSW. or is there another list >Thanks > > >Glenys > > > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Hello list - Does this list cover the area of Liverpool, or Gladesville or Rockdale, NSW. or is there another list Thanks Glenys

According to the book "The Making of a Mountain Community: A Biographical Dictionary of the Springwood District" (2002) by Springwood Historians, Charles MOORE married Sarah Jane WILCOX, the daughter of one of his customers. She died in 1877, and this marriage was childless. [p231]. While visiting England and Ireland he married a widow, Annie Hill MONTGOMERY in 1883. There was no children from this marriage. Unless he had other marriages, it would appear that Charles MOORE does not have any descendants. Regards, Greg Harper ----- Original Message ----- From: "Embleton Danielle" <daniellee@penrithcity.nsw.gov.au> To: <AUS-NSW-PENRITH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 12:06 PM Subject: [AUS-NSW-PENRITH] Descendants of Charles Moore > > Is anyone researching Charles Moore who died on the 4 July 1895? He is > buried at Emu Plains Cemetery and Penrith City Council is hoping to get in > touch with any of his descendants in regard to his headstone. The headstone > needs to be repaired as it is in a dangerous condition and council would > like to speak to family members before they commence repair work.

According to the book "The Making of a Mountain Community: A Biographical Dictionary of the Springwood District" (2002) by Springwood Historians, Charles MOORE married Sarah Jane WILCOX, the daughter of one of his customers. She died in 1877, and this marriage was childless. [p231]. While visiting England and Ireland he married a widow, Annie Hill MONTGOMERY in 1883. There was no children from this marriage. Unless he had other marriages, it would appear that Charles MOORE does not have any descendants. Regards, Greg Harper ----- Original Message ----- From: "Embleton Danielle" <daniellee@penrithcity.nsw.gov.au> To: <AUS-NSW-PENRITH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 12:06 PM Subject: [AUS-NSW-PENRITH] Descendants of Charles Moore > > Is anyone researching Charles Moore who died on the 4 July 1895? He is > buried at Emu Plains Cemetery and Penrith City Council is hoping to get in > touch with any of his descendants in regard to his headstone. The headstone > needs to be repaired as it is in a dangerous condition and council would > like to speak to family members before they commence repair work.

Dear All, Thank you to all for the Chandler responses. I will surely follow up when the pace settles down from Christmas. A joyous Christmas to all through our Saviour born on that day. Ken Farlow --- Max Munro <maxco1@hylinx.com> wrote: > > > > > This is the list of CHANDLER researchers worldwide > that fellow-lister > Ned > Sinclair wanted me to post for those of you > interested in this > surname. > Could be interesting for your British researches: > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ > Hi. I am interested in this Ned Sinclair you > mention. Does he come > from Penrith? I knew a Ned Sinclair there back in > the 1950's. He lived > in King St. If this is the same person I will give > you some more info. > I am not signing this just to be mysterious. > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system > (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.553 / Virus Database: 345 - Release > Date: 18/12/03 > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > ===== Ken Farlow Phone: +61 2 43927025 Mobile: 0401 193 248 Alt Email: k_farlow@bigpond.net.au These are the reasons I believe as I do> http://www.gospelcom.net/rbc/rtb/ http://personals.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Personals New people, new possibilities. FREE for a limited time.

This is the list of CHANDLER researchers worldwide that fellow-lister Ned Sinclair wanted me to post for those of you interested in this surname. Could be interesting for your British researches: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ Hi. I am interested in this Ned Sinclair you mention. Does he come from Penrith? I knew a Ned Sinclair there back in the 1950's. He lived in King St. If this is the same person I will give you some more info. I am not signing this just to be mysterious. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.553 / Virus Database: 345 - Release Date: 18/12/03

Thanks Marlene, I will download Legacy. I've also got some others, but haven't used any enough to become proficient. I didn't know about www.abcgenealogy.com so I will try it to look up Davy Crockett, Daniel Boone et al. I did know the other two (convict group and Vinegar Hill). I took a drive out to "Vinegar Hill", where the memorial is, which is a modern cemetery ... and it is very easy to find as there is a big signpost at it saying it is a memorial project work, on the road to Windsor from Castle Hill. I didn't know if it would be hard to locate or not, but you can't miss it. I think there is some debate about the true spot of the encounter, but the memorial is presumably placed at the more favoured possibility, and it is certainly more than a bit of a hill, with a fair view from it. Regards, John ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ At 19:24 22/12/03 +1100, you wrote: >Hi John, >Thank you for posting your informative email. It just so happens that I >know of some interesting internet sites which seem to relate to the things >you are interested in: ># The Descendants of Convicts Group, Inc on >http://home.vicnet.net.au/~dcginc/welcome.htm which I might also investigate >myself at some stage, may be able to assist with that line of research. ># You probably are aware of the Vinegar Hill information on >http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~garter1/some.htm, but I've included >it just in case. ># A site I like is http://www.abcgenealogy.com/ where you could find lots to >browse around. You might especially like the link to Famous People, where I >noticed it has the ancestry of Daniel Boone etc. ># and lastly, I feel it may help you to have a program on your computer that >helps you to put in all the information step by step (provided you know who >was married to whom, and who were their children and their parents, etc) >into a very user-friendly database and then it sorts it all out for you and >draws up your Pedigree Chart for you! You can download the standard version >of Legacy 5.0 for free (as I have done) at http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/. >There are places for notes and stories about each person, where they married >and lived, etc and so long as you back it up to disks or CD regularly and >keep the backups safely 'off-site' (say, with relative), it's just as safe >(or maybe moreso) as writing it all down on bits of paper. >So much to do and no time to do it, eh! This should keep you busy for a >while! >Marlene >(Mount Annan)

This is the list of CHANDLER researchers worldwide that fellow-lister Ned Sinclair wanted me to post for those of you interested in this surname. Could be interesting for your British researches: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- CHANDLER 1877+ GLEN INNES & SYDNEY NSW AUS Contributor: CDRE JAMES A. O'FARRELL; P0 BOX 13; RANDWICK; NSW 2031 AUS Phone: (02) 9398 7777 Fax: (02) 9398 7710 E-Mail: seamusof@bigpond.net.au ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- CHANDLER 18405 SYDNEY NSW AUS Contributor: MARK PEARCE; 61 MALONGA AVE; KELLYVILLE; NSW 2155 Fax: (02) 9629 4875 E-Mail: mhpearce@tpg.com.au ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- CHANDLER 1843+ SYDNEY & GLEN INNES NSW AUS Contributor: LYNETTE ROOS; 18 FARRER PL; FRENCHS FOREST; NSW 2086 E-Mail: hlroos©bigpond.net.au ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- CHANDLER MARY ANN 1830k LEIGHTON BUZZARD BDF ENG Contributor: MRS SHEILA D. COLLINS; 30/8 28TH AVENUE; PALM BEACH; QLD 4221 E-Mail: mynameshe@hotmail.Com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- CHANDLERTHOMAS PRE 1828 BKM ENG Contributor: MRS GILLIAN E. FIGURES; 2 WEETWOOD AVE; LEEDS; WRY LSI6 5NF ENG Phone: (0113) 278 6359 Fax: (0113) 230 5190 E-Mail: giIIian.figures@virgin.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- CHANDLER C1800 SONNING & READING BRK ENG Contributor JACK MAVINS; BOX 6, GROUP 70, R.R.1; ANOLA; MAN ROE OAO CAN E-mail: None ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- CHANDLERMARY PRE 1800 ESS & SFK ENG Contributor: DIANE LYNG; 34 MCINNES RD; WEYMOUTH; AUCK 1702 NZ E-Mail: pd.lyng@xtra.co.nz ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- CHANDLER PRE 1800 RANDWICK GLS ENG Contributor: JEFF HESTER; 32 ADAM ST; COBDEN; VIC 3266 AUS E-Mail: Imhester@datafast.net.au ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- CHANDLER 1800-1900 EXTON HAM ENG Contributor: MRS MAUREEN E. SUATT; 12 WOODCOTE GREEN RD; EPSOM; SRY KTI8 E-mail: None ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- CHANDLER 1700-1880 HEADLEY & ALTON HAM ENG Contributor: MRS M.H. PETTY; 20 USSHER PL; PAKURANGA; AUCK 1706 NZ E-mail: None ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- CHANDLER 1700S HAMPTON BISHOP & OCLE PYCHARHEF ENG Contributor: CAROL BAXTER; 10 MELALEUCA OR; ST.IVES; NSW 2075 AUS E-Mail: c_baxter@optusnet.com.au ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- CHANDLER WILLIAM 1800+ MARDEN KEN ENG Contributor: MRS JULIE C. QUIGLEY; P0 BOX 498; BATHURST; NSW 2795 AUS Phone: (02) 6332 5198 Far (02) 6332 5198 E-Mail: 9consulting@ix.net.au ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- CHANDLER PRE 1750 FMRGATE KEN ENG Contributor: MICHAEL BROMLEY; 2512 E. TULSA ST; GILBERT; AZ 85296-9135 USA E-Mail: bromIey@amug.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- CHANDLER 1750+ SPELDHURST KEN ENG Contributor: MR P. WATTS; 68 SOUTHAMPTON RD; FAREHAM; HANTS P016 7EA ENG E-mail: None ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- CHANDLER ALEX. CHAS. 1843+ LIVERPOOL/PRESTON LAN ENG Contributor: MRS E.R. SEARLE; 29 EVAN ST; MITTAGONG; NSW 2575 AUS E-mail: None ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- CHANDLER 18005 BROUGHTON ASTLEY LEI ENG Contributor: LYN FULLER; 100 BLAXLAND RD; WENTWORTH FALLS; NSW 2782 AUS E-Mail: lfuller@pnc.com.au ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- CHANDLER WM WALTER C1900 MARYLEBONE LND ENG Contributor A.J. HERFIELD; 69 SCHOLES LN; CLECKHEATON; W.YKS BDI9 6LY ENG E-mail: None ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- CHANDLER PRE 1900 STEPNEY & SOIJTHWARK LND & SRY ENG Contributor: MS MARGARET A. OE NOOYER; 101 GILES RD; REDLAND BAY; QLO 4165 Phone:(07) 3206 8765 E-Mail: mdenooyer@netspace.net.au ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- CHANDLER 1770-1810 LONDON MDX ENG Contributor: MRS MAUREEN E. SUATT; 12 W000COTE GREEN RD; EPSOM; SRY KTI8 70H E-mail: None ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- CHANDLER PRE 1900 SFK&NFK ENG Contributor: ANN WINSER; 6 BERKELEY ROW; LEWES; E.SSX BN7 IEU ENG E-mail: None ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- CHANDLER 1700-1770 HAMBLEDON SRY ENG Contributor: MRS MAUREEN E. SUATT; 12 WOODCOTE GREEN RD; EPSOM; SRY KTI8 7DH ENG ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- CHANDLER 18005 SSX ENG Contributor: MRS DEBORAH RUMMERY; 8 ODELL ST; ARMIDALE; NSW 2350 AUS E-Mail: wales@emirates.net.ae ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- CHANDLER ALL WILLENHALL STS ENG Contributor: MRS M.L. LEA; 5 SUTCLIFFE ST; LITHGOW; NSW 2790 AUS E-Mail: jmlea@lisp.com.au ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- CHANDLER C1795 FOLESHILL, ST.LAWRENCE WAR ENG Contributor: MRS NORMA SEYMOUR; 16 BEECHAL ST; RUNCORN; QLD 4113 AUS Phone: (07) 3711 4535 E-Mail: normagaIl@hotmaiI.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- CHANDLER PRE 1830 BAYDON WIL ENG Contributor: MRS VALDA PARTRIDGE; HYLAND HWY; CARRAJUNG LOWER; VIC 3844 AUS E-mail: None ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- CHANDLER STEPHANA 18505 DEVIZES WIL ENG Contributor: PAUL SHIPMAN; 4 CHAPALA CL; ST.IVES; NSW 2075 AUS E-Mail: prcpshipman@yahoo.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- CHANDLER 1800+ WORCESTER WOR ENG Contributor: MRS RUTH I. LAWRENCE; 8 JULL CRES; WAIPUKURAU; HB 4176 NZ Phone: (06) 858 9791 Fax: (06) 858 9791 E-Mail: snooka.wpk@xtra.co.nz ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- CHANDLER C1750-1950 RSA Contributor: MS DIANA DAUNT; 1302 WEST SEVENTH ST; FREDERICK; MD 217024132 USA Phone: (301) 631 0266 E-Mail: dauntd@erols.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- CHANDLER CAROLINE PRE 1750 DUXBURY MA USA Contributor: MRS ISABEL HENNIGER; 487 HUNTER ST W.; PETERBOROUGH; ONT K9H 2M9 CAN E-Mail: i.henniger@sympatico.ca ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Heal" <healr@optushome.com.au> To: <AUS-NSW-PENRITH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 5:45 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-NSW-PENRITH] Regentville Estate > > Hello Ken, > > three entirely unhelpful observations: > > (i) My brother's wife's granny was a 94 year Grafton resident, > may have known them, recently died so no help there. > > (ii) There is a Chandler's falls near Wollomombi falls between > Armidale and Dorrigo > > (iii) I am related to some Chandlers in Aylesbury Buckinghamshire > c. 1810, If you trace back to there please let me know. > > Good luck > > Robert Heal > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ken Farlow" <ken_farlow@yahoo.com.au> > To: <AUS-NSW-PENRITH-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 5:24 PM > Subject: Re: [AUS-NSW-PENRITH] Regentville Estate > > > > Hi Marlene > > > > My name is Ken Farlow and my mother was born Chandler. > > > > I have had great difficulty tracing the tree as the > > family has been very hush-hush. > > > > Best I have is Richard Edward Chandler > > Born: 16 May 1874 > > Maitland NSW Australia > > Christened: > > > > Occupation:13 Oct 1915 > > Maclean NSW > > Professional Fisherman > > > > Died: > > 16 Aug 1942 > > Grafton NSW Australia > > Buried: > > 18 Aug 1942 > > Maclean NSW Australia > > > > His parents are James Chandler and Annie Undery? > > > > If you have any Chandler families in the Maitland or > > Grafton area please let me know. > > > > Regards > > Ken Farlow

Hi Ed, I took a look at some websites I have bookmarked and if you click on this link http://www.kindredkonnections.com/cgi-bin/genealogy/new/nextpedsf?3783342+000000+English+0-0+0+1 it mentions a Jean Balleine (male) of Channel Islands and several females of the same name. You may have this info, or it may fill in another blank spot. Hope it helps - I will watch out in my searches. Best wishes, Marlene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Balleine" <efcb@shaw.ca> To: <AUS-NSW-PENRITH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 12:49 PM Subject: [AUS-NSW-PENRITH] Balleines > I am looking for any Balleines who emigrated to Australia in the 1900s. I have been working on this tree for a number of years and those who left the Island of Jersey are difficult to trace. If some kind soul is aware of any by that name I would appreciate it very much > Ed > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hi John, Thank you for posting your informative email. It just so happens that I know of some interesting internet sites which seem to relate to the things you are interested in: # The Descendants of Convicts Group, Inc on http://home.vicnet.net.au/~dcginc/welcome.htm which I might also investigate myself at some stage, may be able to assist with that line of research. # You probably are aware of the Vinegar Hill information on http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~garter1/some.htm, but I've included it just in case. # A site I like is http://www.abcgenealogy.com/ where you could find lots to browse around. You might especially like the link to Famous People, where I noticed it has the ancestry of Daniel Boone etc. # and lastly, I feel it may help you to have a program on your computer that helps you to put in all the information step by step (provided you know who was married to whom, and who were their children and their parents, etc) into a very user-friendly database and then it sorts it all out for you and draws up your Pedigree Chart for you! You can download the standard version of Legacy 5.0 for free (as I have done) at http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/. There are places for notes and stories about each person, where they married and lived, etc and so long as you back it up to disks or CD regularly and keep the backups safely 'off-site' (say, with relative), it's just as safe (or maybe moreso) as writing it all down on bits of paper. So much to do and no time to do it, eh! This should keep you busy for a while! Marlene (Mount Annan) > I agree Marlene, > > > I'll repost some of my current interests here now. I can't do family trees > for nutz. > > And when it gets more remote than my granparents I get confused trying to > comprehend relationships, so I'm not a good family historian of the > 'geneological' type but I make up for it by being also interested in the > history of the places and the times. > > I'm interested in the convicts of the Sydney colony, including Molly Morgan > who wasn't a relative of mine but came on the same ship as my ancestor Ann > Reffin (Experiment, 1804). > I'm also particularly interested in the Castlereagh area. > > Generally I'm interested in things such as in "Dharug and Dungaree", the > history compilation on Penrith area; and also in the mass relocations of > the Irish/Celts in general ~ the protestanisation of them in > England-Scotland, and re-plantation back into Northern Ireland, and the > later migrations to the new world of the Americas (Davy Crockett, Daniel > Boone, Buffalo Bill .. practically all of the frontiersmen were Irish, and > the "hillbilly/redneck" culture of the US in the Appalachians, and less so > in Texas etc., is claimed by many to directly descend from the many Irish > who went there. > > Am also organising a meeting at Castlereagh next year to commemorate the > arrival of Ann Reffin, from whose union with David Burns, many people (of a > wide range of surnames) descend. This will commemorate the passing of 200 > years from when Ann's transport ship sailed into Sydney Harbour, carrying > many other female prisoners besides herself to the young penal colony. I > also hope that it might lead to some standing links between the various > surname family history groups who can trace back to her. > > Ann married David in Australia and most of the offspring and spouses moved > to Castlereagh where there was association by intermarriage to the Lees and > others. As many on this list know, Mr John Lees donated a sacred acre of > his land to Wesleyanism which came to the colony in 1812. John Lees then > built there a small Wesleyan chapel, the first in Australia (maybe the > first in the southern hemisphere???). > > I'd be interested to see a small museum arise for Castlereagh, as it is > such a historic area. The area, although small, is highly significant in > Australian history. It has the first Wesleyan chapel and the first > Catholic cemetery (non-offical and started at a time when Catholicism was > still suppressed or not recognised officially in the colony -- but > nonetheless still the first), the first academy of higher learning > (Castlereagh Academy) which was well regarded and was run by Rev. Henry > Fulton who buried Ann and later on was buried close to her. A student of > the small Castlereagh Academy also produced the first Australian-published > native-born poetry, and a poem "Fair Castlereagh" which contains possibly > one of the first laments for the change to the environment through the > cutting down of the bush. > > Next year, 2004, is also the 200 year celebration of the Castle Hill or > Vinegar Hill uprising of a significant number of Irish convicts working on > a prison farm. Quite a number of Irishmen has been transported or exiled > to New South Wales following the failed 1798 Irish war of independence. > Ann's convict husband David came here with one shipload of this group of > transportees and apparently had been sentenced in Dublin for involvement or > sympathy with the 1798 uprising although no papers survive to show > definitively why he was sent to Australia. [David himself was not > associated with the uprising, and in fact was given a job as a Constable > not long after his arrival in Australia]. > > Well, that very quickly is some of my interests again. > > > Seasons Greetings, > > > John Byrnes > (Strathfield) > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Congratulations to Danielle and Robert, and welcome to baby Rory! Hope mother and son are doing well... Sharron

Congratulations to Danielle on the birth of a next generation. Ann Lorraine Stacker wrote: > Not sure if people knew, but my staff member Danielle Embleton administers > this rootsweb list. She has just given birth to a beautiful little boy (l.4 > kg). His name is Rory Robert John Embleton. Congratulations to Danielle & > Robert on their early surprise Christmas present. > > Lorraine Stacker > Penrith Library > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

lots of whales here Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Balleine" <efcb@shaw.ca> To: <AUS-NSW-PENRITH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 12:49 PM Subject: [AUS-NSW-PENRITH] Balleines > I am looking for any Balleines who emigrated to Australia in the 1900s. I have been working on this tree for a number of years and those who left the Island of Jersey are difficult to trace. If some kind soul is aware of any by that name I would appreciate it very much > Ed > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

At 11:14 22/12/03 +1100, Marlene wrote: >Oh, and further to my previous msg: >If the problem is the way all these msgs can clog up your inbox (and I can relate), I've solved this problem by creating a special 'Family History Lists' folder and instructing Outlook Express 6 to forward mail from the subject line of various lists to a particular sub-folder. This is a great facility, you can view the messages when you have the time to read them - and various lists don't get mixed up! Even further, if we all use the same subject line for each topic, we can sort on 'subject' and see how the conversation is going. I don't know if there's an easier way, if you know of one please send a msg to the List for all to see... ;) Yes, I do the same thing. .. constantly drain messages (by type) off into other directories, in order to keep IN relatively small. Cheers, John

At 10:00 22/12/03 +1100, Marlene wrote: >Hi Listers, and Season's Greetings to all, >Just to add to this subject...being fairly new to this List and to Rootsweb Lists in general, I was also wondering about the protocol on answering requests. But, I came to the conclusion that the whole idea of subscribing to these lists is to talk back and forth about family history subjects related to the area that interest you so that everyone can be included in the 'discussion'. In addition, it also gets a little confusing to know what you've sent to the list and what to an individual and sometimes we 'List watchers' only get half the story! I think it's a very quick matter to delete the messages that aren't relevent to my field of interest. >If we all just sent messages back and forth to each other in the background - then this List would become redundant and we would end up with no list activity at all - except perhaps for a few NEW queries from time to time. I have already noticed on this list where someone recently said something like - there doesn't seem to be too much being discussed on this List. Perhaps, if we all had the chance to read what people are discussing and researching, then we'd feel included and all learn something. >Congratulations to Danielle, >Best wishes, >Marlene I agree Marlene, I'll repost some of my current interests here now. I can't do family trees for nutz. And when it gets more remote than my granparents I get confused trying to comprehend relationships, so I'm not a good family historian of the 'geneological' type but I make up for it by being also interested in the history of the places and the times. I'm interested in the convicts of the Sydney colony, including Molly Morgan who wasn't a relative of mine but came on the same ship as my ancestor Ann Reffin (Experiment, 1804). I'm also particularly interested in the Castlereagh area. Generally I'm interested in things such as in "Dharug and Dungaree", the history compilation on Penrith area; and also in the mass relocations of the Irish/Celts in general ~ the protestanisation of them in England-Scotland, and re-plantation back into Northern Ireland, and the later migrations to the new world of the Americas (Davy Crockett, Daniel Boone, Buffalo Bill .. practically all of the frontiersmen were Irish, and the "hillbilly/redneck" culture of the US in the Appalachians, and less so in Texas etc., is claimed by many to directly descend from the many Irish who went there. Am also organising a meeting at Castlereagh next year to commemorate the arrival of Ann Reffin, from whose union with David Burns, many people (of a wide range of surnames) descend. This will commemorate the passing of 200 years from when Ann's transport ship sailed into Sydney Harbour, carrying many other female prisoners besides herself to the young penal colony. I also hope that it might lead to some standing links between the various surname family history groups who can trace back to her. Ann married David in Australia and most of the offspring and spouses moved to Castlereagh where there was association by intermarriage to the Lees and others. As many on this list know, Mr John Lees donated a sacred acre of his land to Wesleyanism which came to the colony in 1812. John Lees then built there a small Wesleyan chapel, the first in Australia (maybe the first in the southern hemisphere???). I'd be interested to see a small museum arise for Castlereagh, as it is such a historic area. The area, although small, is highly significant in Australian history. It has the first Wesleyan chapel and the first Catholic cemetery (non-offical and started at a time when Catholicism was still suppressed or not recognised officially in the colony -- but nonetheless still the first), the first academy of higher learning (Castlereagh Academy) which was well regarded and was run by Rev. Henry Fulton who buried Ann and later on was buried close to her. A student of the small Castlereagh Academy also produced the first Australian-published native-born poetry, and a poem "Fair Castlereagh" which contains possibly one of the first laments for the change to the environment through the cutting down of the bush. Next year, 2004, is also the 200 year celebration of the Castle Hill or Vinegar Hill uprising of a significant number of Irish convicts working on a prison farm. Quite a number of Irishmen has been transported or exiled to New South Wales following the failed 1798 Irish war of independence. Ann's convict husband David came here with one shipload of this group of transportees and apparently had been sentenced in Dublin for involvement or sympathy with the 1798 uprising although no papers survive to show definitively why he was sent to Australia. [David himself was not associated with the uprising, and in fact was given a job as a Constable not long after his arrival in Australia]. Well, that very quickly is some of my interests again. Seasons Greetings, John Byrnes (Strathfield)

Oh, and further to my previous msg: If the problem is the way all these msgs can clog up your inbox (and I can relate), I've solved this problem by creating a special 'Family History Lists' folder and instructing Outlook Express 6 to forward mail from the subject line of various lists to a particular sub-folder. This is a great facility, you can view the messages when you have the time to read them - and various lists don't get mixed up! Even further, if we all use the same subject line for each topic, we can sort on 'subject' and see how the conversation is going. I don't know if there's an easier way, if you know of one please send a msg to the List for all to see... ;) Marlene

Hi Listers, and Season's Greetings to all, Just to add to this subject...being fairly new to this List and to Rootsweb Lists in general, I was also wondering about the protocol on answering requests. But, I came to the conclusion that the whole idea of subscribing to these lists is to talk back and forth about family history subjects related to the area that interest you so that everyone can be included in the 'discussion'. In addition, it also gets a little confusing to know what you've sent to the list and what to an individual and sometimes we 'List watchers' only get half the story! I think it's a very quick matter to delete the messages that aren't relevent to my field of interest. If we all just sent messages back and forth to each other in the background - then this List would become redundant and we would end up with no list activity at all - except perhaps for a few NEW queries from time to time. I have already noticed on this list where someone recently said something like - there doesn't seem to be too much being discussed on this List. Perhaps, if we all had the chance to read what people are discussing and researching, then we'd feel included and all learn something. Congratulations to Danielle, Best wishes, Marlene

Many thanks to Marline, Ned and Robert for your help and advice. This Balleine Tree has over 700 names and there are a lot of louse ends, Thanks again and the best of the Season to all the listers. Ed