Dear Alan, Sorry, forgot to answer your querie re: (I seem to recall you diirecting me to a business in North Sydney which reputedly had a photograph -- is that right? I can't remember now if I actually followed up on that one.) I don't think I directed you to NORTH SYDNEY address... ??? For photos of Thornton Hall... or Red Cow Hotel.... I would have advised you to go to Penrith Local Studies Library as they have some there. They generally only open from noon to 5pm... and are very helpful. It's a shame you didn't get into Thornton Hall... The fences have only been up a few years... I did ring Defence Housing in Sydney yesterday... about maintenance on the building... but they haven't returned my call as yet... Best wishes.. Laura Player Perth WA

Where exactly is Thornton Hall? Judy ----- Original Message ----- From: "laura" <player@bigpond.net.au> To: <AUS-NSW-PENRITH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 3:07 PM Subject: [AUS-NSW-PENRITH] Thornton Hall & Red Cow > Dear Alan... > Thanks for your reply.... Interesting about the Defence Dept giving you the run around... Which reminds me... I must contact them to suggest they do some maintenance to Thornton Hall... re gutters and drain pipes etc... before winter comes... and more deteriation sets in. > Because the home is now out of sight and locked up behind security fencing... it also becomes out of mind sight as well... and the deteriation is not noted or corrected... > Apparently it will still be some years before any development starts as there are still issues over the future use of the land. But is the meantime... our dear 1870's Thornton Hall is in limbo... > Cheers Laura Player > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Dear Judy & List, Thanks for your querie Judy re Thornton Hall Penrith.... which is at the end of the cul-de-sac -on Mountainview Cres.. Lemongrove- Penrith (off Railway Cres... at the end... the next street past Lemongrove Rd... (if you know the area). It looks over the North Penrith Army Land... but the street has been fenced off... by the Com Defence Dept awaiting descision on the future of the land, as to whether it will be a 900 town house estate... or a commercial developement... The Defence Dept have promised to retain & restore Thornton Hall and commemorate the colourful history which is so important to our Early Pioneering History.... and really puts Penrith on the map.... Go to my web site . www.thorntonhall.homestead.com and you can view the historical home and it's history including Red Cow Hotel (Inn)... which gramps Thomas Smith built as well (1862)... Cheers Laura Player Perth WA Where exactly is Thornton Hall? Judy ----- Original Message ----- From: "laura" <player@bigpond.net.au> To: <AUS-NSW-PENRITH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 3:07 PM Subject: [AUS-NSW-PENRITH] Thornton Hall & Red Cow > Dear Alan... > Thanks for your reply.... Interesting about the Defence Dept giving you the run around... Which reminds me... I must contact them to suggest they do some maintenance to Thornton Hall... re gutters and drain pipes etc... before winter comes... and more deteriation sets in. > Because the home is now out of sight and locked up behind security fencing... it also becomes out of mind sight as well... and the deteriation is not noted or corrected... > Apparently it will still be some years before any development starts as there are still issues over the future use of the land. But is the meantime... our dear 1870's Thornton Hall is in limbo... > Cheers Laura Player > >

Hello List, I have picked up this branch of the family once again after a break, hopefully to find anything relating to the Eaton Family of Penrith. In particular I am looking for Kenneth Albert EATON youngest son of George W & Elizabeth (Crossman) EATON, born about 1916. Any connection to this family? Would love to hear from you. Best Wishes Tracy Sunshine Coast Queensland

Hi all - Have just changed from 28th of this month to annrobina@actewagl.net.au - they kindly offer 6 months free and even the local call is free because I am on transact who just joined with actewagl Thanks - Ann (Gugler)

Hello Delma... Thanks for your email... and hope you are making ground in your research.... My William Player.... was a generation after your John Player , I think.... Anthony Rope m Elizabeth Pulley Their youngest daughter... Elizabeth Ann Rope m Thomas Player.. 30/10/1826 Out of their children... JAMES, WILLIAM, SARAH,EDWARD,THOMAS,JOHN,ELIZABETH,MARY.... My line from above was through the 5th child... Thomas... jnr Thomas Player m Hannah Evans 5/9/1854 Out of heir children, James, William, Thomas Malvina, Isabella, Mary, Violet, George & Elizabeth... My line was the 2nd child William b26/3/1859 -m- Sylvia Smith marriage date; 28/6/1883. ------------------------------------------- ---------------- Hope that clears it up for you. Please look at my website for details.. although the family tree isn't in there yet... It has some info on William Player... his wifes family (Thomas Smith) had Thornton Hall Penrith & The Red Cow Inn (Hotel).. www.thorntonhall.homestead.com Cheers Laura ----- Original Message -----

Dear Alan... Thanks for your reply.... Interesting about the Defence Dept giving you the run around... Which reminds me... I must contact them to suggest they do some maintenance to Thornton Hall... re gutters and drain pipes etc... before winter comes... and more deteriation sets in. Because the home is now out of sight and locked up behind security fencing... it also becomes out of mind sight as well... and the deteriation is not noted or corrected... Apparently it will still be some years before any development starts as there are still issues over the future use of the land. But is the meantime... our dear 1870's Thornton Hall is in limbo... Cheers Laura Player

Hello Delma... Thanks for your email... and hope you are making ground in your research.... My William Player.... was a generation after your John Player , I think.... Anthony Rope m Elizabeth Pulley Their youngest daughter... Elizabeth Ann Rope m Thomas Player.. 30/10/1826 Out of their children... JAMES, WILLIAM, SARAH,EDWARD,THOMAS,JOHN,ELIZABETH,MARY.... My line from above was through the 5th child... Thomas... jnr Thomas Player m Hannah Evans 5/9/1854 Out of heir children, James, William, Thomas Malvina, Isabella, Mary, Violet, George & Elizabeth... My line was the 2nd child William b26/3/1859 -m- Sylvia Smith marriage date; 28/6/1883. ------------------------------------------- ---------------- Hope that clears it up for you. Please look at my website for details.. although the family tree isn't in there yet... It has some info on William Player... his wifes family (Thomas Smith) had Thornton Hall Penrith & The Red Cow Inn (Hotel).. Cheers Laura www.thorntonhall.homestead.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Delma McDonald" <delaren@nnsw.quik.com.au> To: <player@bigpond.net.au> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 11:15 AM Subject: Player family > Laura , > I have just found the PENRITH site and have been brousing the messages > and found yours regarding you G.Grandmother Sylvia, although I cannot > help you there I think I may have had contact with you previously > researching the PLAYER family, I come from the line of John Playerwho > married Elizabeth Ann Peak, I have quite a bit on this family but I > just cannot find your William, is he John's brother ? > Delma McDonald , northern NSW >

Thank you to all those that responded to my story about my grandparents and the Red Cow Hotel to Lack Hotel. I love the stories from our descendants, especially when it ties in with the local history or early settlement. It is a great shame when someone passes and that wealth of information goes with them. Sharing the information is so important for future generations. It creates the tapestry of those times and makes them more personnel. In reference to Clare's question, no I am not from that line. My line is Andrews, Haddow, they were from Werrington/St Marys in the early settlement of South Creek. Their records are with Penrith City Library in the Local History Section. Thanks Laura for your comments, I am glad you enjoyed it.Congratulations on your website. Alan I tend to agree with you and I am glad that you are compiling your "Antidotes" as it is the people that makes the fabric of our history and early society. The dates, times and places are important but it is the stories from the people that gives it the flavour of these times. I am sure that there are many stories like mine that are left untold. Rhonda Hunter Rhonda Hunter

Sorry Jack I mean "ANECDOTES" not "Antidotes" I think I need a proof reader. Rhonda

Rhonda, that was a VERY interesting anecdote and I was delighted to hear from you. I have come to the conclusion, over the last three years, that it is the ANECDOTES, not the bare facts, that make family research so fascinating, and that researchers ought to be hoarding these more studiously than their usual practice of tabulating birth dates and marriage dates. I am writing all the anecdotes down for future use -- my "book", purely for myself, is currently abour 230 pages long! -- and I will add this one about the Red Cow with much pleasure. Many thanks! Alan Rhonda Hunter <rhunter@apca.com.au> wrote: This has nothing to do with your enquiry really but it does add a bit of colour to the Red Cow Hotel History or Lack Hotel. My Grandmother Mavis nee Haddow worked for a Mrs Lack as an upstairs maid for the Red Cow Hotel then known as Lack Hotel. My Grandfather Leo Robinson boarded at the the Red Cow as he was a railway worker in Penrith at the time, they met on the stairs one day on his return from work, he rushed past and cleaned himself up and asked her to the pictures, the rest is Family History. I remember her telling us that story when I was a little girl. That was 1927 when my Grandmother was 19 years old. . Rhonda Hunter ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 --------------------------------- Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies.

Hi Everyone, Just a reminder that the Penrith City History Conference third annual conference will be held next Saturday 27th March. 'The Makings of a City: Foundations of a Settlement" conference will concentrate on the 200th anniversary of Samuel Marsden's land grant at St Marys, the first in the area. Participants will also hear about the history of the Nepean Times, research at Castlereagh and the Great Western Road. If you would like to attend, or have any questions, contact Alison Spencer on 02 4732 7687 or alisons@penrithcity.nsw.gov.au Regards, Danielle Embleton

Dear Laura, and friends of the Penrith Mail List, Congratulations on your web page, Laura. I trust this will help you find others interested in your families and that you enjoy the research.... Sincerely in Searching.. Thelma Birrell at Maroochydore.. Cox Upjohn Connell of Wimborne www.angelfire.com/rnb/mrbirrell/ Jas Cox Connell Collins http://matthewbirrell.tripod.com/index.htm Bostock Betts Barker Blease Wilkinson http://birrell.1hwy.com/index.htm Scots-Irish Delahunty Fletcher Mulholland Rafferty Maltman Shearer http://matthewbirrell.50megs.com/index.html Crawford McKay Sarkies www.electricscotland.com/webclans/atoc/crawfor2.html Montgomery Down Barber Redman McGregor Streeter http://www.users.bigpond.com/mrbirrell/ Landsborough www.electricscotland.com/history/world/landsb.htm Robe (Robb) Bostock (Keith/Bristol) www.electricscotland.com/webclans/minibios/r/robe_family.htm > Dear List... > DOES ANY ONE ELSE HAVE ANY MEMOIRS OF RED COW INN OR THORNTON HALL - PENRITH ?

This has nothing to do with your enquiry really but it does add a bit of colour to the Red Cow Hotel History or Lack Hotel. My Grandmother Mavis nee Haddow worked for a Mrs Lack as an upstairs maid for the Red Cow Hotel then known as Lack Hotel. My Grandfather Leo Robinson boarded at the the Red Cow as he was a railway worker in Penrith at the time, they met on the stairs one day on his return from work, he rushed past and cleaned himself up and asked her to the pictures, the rest is Family History. I remember her telling us that story when I was a little girl. That was 1927 when my Grandmother was 19 years old. . Rhonda Hunter

I am interested in information about Henry (Harry) Lack and his wife, Mary Mulholland, who leased Thornton Hall (currently taken over by the Armed Forces), and also in information about his brother, Robert Lack, who was the proprietor of the Red Cow Inn, which, for a while, was known as the Lack Hotel. Harry's elder sister, Sarah, was the sole survivor of a mass family murder in Campbelltown in 1849; information on this would also be appreciated (Harry was my great-grandfather). Thanks! Alan Jarman. --------------------------------- Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies.

Dear List... DOES ANY ONE ELSE HAVE ANY MEMOIRS OF RED COW INN OR THORNTON HALL - PENRITH ? I was very interested to read the emails from ALAN JARMAN & RHONDA HUNTER... re Red Cow Inn & Thornton Hall - Penrith... I am Laura Player... grt grt grandaughter of Thomas Smith & wife Jane Smith nee Laimbeer who built Thornton Hall 1870's and Red Cow Inn Penrith 1862... The story of Rhonda's clan meeting on the stairs of the Red Cow... is sensational... It's the special bits .. of history that stick in our minds... that are so precious.... I have a photo of the hotel when Mary Lack's had the Red Cow... as does Penrith Local Studies Library-Penrith... If you go to my web page : www.thorntonhall.homestead.com you will find info re Thornton Hall with it's colourfull history... & and Red Cow Inn... Cheers Laura Player Perth WA

Sorry Kristine - misread the e-mail. I only have the information on John Price's family. There is someone else who has the burial register. Ann Kristine Jean Wood wrote: > Hi Listers, > I remember reading a message on the list some time ago about someone with the records of John Price and sons, undertakers, in the St Marys area. I think they were going to publish them or do look-ups? I am interested in finding records of my gt gt grandmother's burial in 1905. > Thank you > Kristine Wood > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Hi Kristine - I think the person you are searching for is me - Ann Gugler - the book is in the Penrith Library but I can send you the relevant chapters if you want them. My e-mail is annrobina@austarmetro.com.au Ann

----- Original Message ----- From: <AUS-NSW-PENRITH-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <AUS-NSW-PENRITH-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 10:00 AM Subject: AUS-NSW-PENRITH-D Digest V04 #11

Hi Listers, I remember reading a message on the list some time ago about someone with the records of John Price and sons, undertakers, in the St Marys area. I think they were going to publish them or do look-ups? I am interested in finding records of my gt gt grandmother's burial in 1905. Thank you Kristine Wood