The following speakers will be at the Shoalhaven Family Local & cultural History Far on 15th and 16th July at Nowra School of Arts. Friday 15th 11.30am Keith Campbell- Early Days of the Berry Estate 12.30 Gould Books - Digitising of the Government Gazettes 1.30 Brother and sister Paul of the LDS - LDS records 2.30 James Donohoe - The Paracensus of Australia 3.30 Alan Murrin - Transcription Services Saturday 16th 10.30 Ralph Hawkins - timbergetters of Pennant Hills 1816 - 1832 11.30 Cathy Dunn - Local Aboriginals 12.30 Marilyn Rowan - Transcription Services 1.30 Ray Thorburn - Guidlines to Researching Your Family History Enquiries Wayne Vost - wvost@swiftdsl.com.au Mary L. Lidbetter

Hi I noticed that some of you were looking for old church records. Rather than spend a fortune using BDM's or transcription agents for these records - The State Library has them on the shelf and for about a $1-00 you can get a copy of the whole page of the register or just the entry you want. I guess if they have them available, other institutions would also have them on film. SAG in Kent St Sydney have them but won't let you make a copy. You could also trty the LDS as they often have these films as well. While I am on this subject. All Tasmanian Registers are available at the State Library and the same applies. Just load the film on the printer and get full copies of the entries which in the case of births, actually has the signature of the person registering the birth. Hope this helps Frances

Hello Kim, The registration of marriages in NSW commenced in 1856 and the records before that time are only from the churches and contain far less detail than the civil record. The entry for Alexander Maine and Catherine Dolan both of Sydney shows the marriage at St Mary's Church Sydney on 7 September 1843. The witnesses were Batholomew Shea and Honora Shea and the minister's name was H G Gregory. There is a notation at the bottom of the page which says "Witnessed all the above signatures and marks J Grant of Sydney". Mr Grant appears as the witness to several other marriages at the time so he may have been a sexton. Alexander Maine is not shown as a communicant of the church whilst Catherine did not sign her name, only gave put a mark. Bartholomew was the only person to sign his name besides the minister. Before buying certificates from the Registrar of Births, Deaths and Marriages, you may care to know that many researchers are now availing themselves of one of three transcription services when getting details from the civil registration in NSW of births to 1905 and marriages and deaths to 1945. This is because they are cheaper - $A16 against $A24, the transcribers are family historians and are more likely to notice small nuances in the records, the turn around is much faster (usually 3 to 4 days) and you can order the transcriptions by email. The websites of these are: www.marbract.com.au, www.joymurrin.com.au, home.primus.com.au/lturtle/. I personally use Marbract Services and found them to be quite satisfactory. In one case, I ordered a transcription for a person who had previously ordered one through them and they put me in touch with that person. I guess that the other two transcribers would do the same as well. Regards...Rex Toomey Port Macquarie NSW Australia -----Original Message----- From: Kim Raine [mailto:kimesl@gmavt.net] Sent: Saturday, 7 May 2005 3:19 AM To: AUS-NSW-NORCO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [NORCO] Marriage St. Mary's Hello, all! Does anyone have easy access to microfilm for NSW marriages? I have found a marriage in 1843 for Alexander MAINE to a Catherine DOLAN in the online index. Indicates the marriage was Roman Catholic and at St. Mary's, Sydney (there does not seem to be a civil listing). It is a long shot for me, so I thought I would ask the list before I spent my $26 plus currency conversion cost. Thanks so much! Kim Raine Vermont, USA ==== AUS-NSW-NORCO Mailing List ==== Check out the books page on Bellingen Gen Web. Can you transcribe an index? See: www.rootsweb.com/~nswbelli/books.html and http://www.rootsweb.com/~nswbelli/transcribe.html ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Hello, all! Does anyone have easy access to microfilm for NSW marriages? I have found a marriage in 1843 for Alexander MAINE to a Catherine DOLAN in the online index. Indicates the marriage was Roman Catholic and at St. Mary's, Sydney (there does not seem to be a civil listing). It is a long shot for me, so I thought I would ask the list before I spent my $26 plus currency conversion cost. Thanks so much! Kim Raine Vermont, USA

I have recently discovered that my convict ancestor Henry BATTERSON worked for William Henry CHAPMAN of Macleay River for a period of time around 1847/48 and possibly longer. I would love to hear from anyone connected to or researching William Chapman, with a hope to filling in some of the details on Henry Batterson's life. Of particular interest would be the properties owned by W H Chapman and the types of industry he was involved in. Regards, Jenny in Brisbane Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com

Thank you to Pam & Hazel for your replies. I'm not sure the Grafton Harmans are related to mine but it was worth a try. My Harmans came from Melbourn in Cambridgeshire. Three of the brothers went to Sydney in 1854, followed by their mother, father and younger siblings in 1854. The eldest son and his wife went to Port Fairy in Victoria. Sometime after 1854 but before 1860, the remainder of the family went to Port Fairy also. I am trying to fill the gaps between the time they arrived in Sydney and then moved to Port Fairy. I thought the Grafton Harmans may have be linked as the eldest son's wife Susan REED had a sister Sybill who settled in Ulmarra. She married John REVELL. On this I thought they may have headed to family in that area. Thanks again for your help Kind Regards Merron

Hi Everyone I'm not sure if this is the right list or not. I am looking info on Edward Thomas EVITT / EVIT who lived at Harwood Island and Palmer Island in the late 1800's. TIA Karen

Our 2nd Fair will be held at Nowra School of Arts, 15th & 16th July 2005. If you have an interest in anything historical you should not miss this event. Many historically minded groups will set up displays and a variety of speakers will be giving a series of presentations over the two days - Admission Free. Contact W.vost wvost@shoal.net.au Mary L. Lidbetter

Hi I hope this is the right list :-) I am interested in finding some information about the property of William H WARHURST at East Kemspey in the early 1900's. Any info much appreciated Karen

Here are some Harmans in the Old Grafton Cemetery CEMETERY CEMETERY_ALLOTMENT OCCUPANT_NO NAME INITIALS GIVEN_NAMES DESCRIPTION DATE_OF_DEATH AGE_AT_DEATH_YEARS Grafton 49 1 HARMAN AM ANNIE MARY 15-APR-51 89 Grafton 956 74 HARMAN EH ELIZABETH HODDY 25-FEB-05 73 Grafton 48 2 HARMAN FJ FLORENCE JESSIE GRAFTON 20-DEC-67 100 Grafton 56 1 HARMAN WG WILLIAM GEORGE 06-MAR-53 93 Grafton 48 1 HARMAN W WILLIAM. MR 09-SEP-16 81 Rod On 4/11/05, Pamela Dowling <genie@free.net.nz> wrote: > Many thanks for this Rod. I'm not sure where Shirley fits in, but the > others are "mine". Hope things are good with you. > > Regards > Pam > An Aussie transplanted to Rotorua, NZ. > > At 17:59 11.04.05 -0400, you wrote: > >Here are some Harman burial in Grafton Clarence Lawn > > > >CEMETERY ALLOTMENT OCCUP_NO NAME INITIALS GIVEN_NAMES DESCRIPTION > DATE_OF_DEATH AGE_AT_DEATH > > > >Clarence Lawn 311 2 HARMAN HD HARRY DOUGLAS GRAFTON 20-OCT-78 92 > > > >Clarence Lawn 311 1 HARMAN MM MARY MONICA GRAFTON 04-NOV-75 86 > > > >Clarence Lawn 20 1 HARMAN S SHIRLEY WOOLI 17-OCT-89 53 > > > >Clarence Lawn 200 1 HARMAN WM WILLIAM MARK GRAFTON 03-APR-74 47 > >

Hi Hazel, Thanks for your input. :-) These men you mention were son and grandson of the original Grafton HARMANs - William HARMAN and his wife Elizabeth Haddy GLINN, my 2xG Grandparents. I wonder, do you know if there are any HARMAN descendants in Grafton today? Regards Pam An Aussie transplanted to Rotorua, NZ. At 22:02 7.04.05 +1000, Malcolm & Hazel FORD wrote: >The HARMAN's at Grafton were Henry Douglas k/a Harry b. 1890 Wallerawang s/o >William GEorge and Matilda Ann ASPINALL. He was a tailor and died 1978. bur. >South Grafton.

Here are some Harman burial in Grafton Clarence Lawn CEMETERY ALLOTMENT OCCUP_NO NAME INITIALS GIVEN_NAMES DESCRIPTION DATE_OF_DEATH AGE_AT_DEATH Clarence Lawn 311 2 HARMAN HD HARRY DOUGLAS GRAFTON 20-OCT-78 92 Clarence Lawn 311 1 HARMAN MM MARY MONICA GRAFTON 04-NOV-75 86 Clarence Lawn 20 1 HARMAN S SHIRLEY WOOLI 17-OCT-89 53 Clarence Lawn 200 1 HARMAN WM WILLIAM MARK GRAFTON 03-APR-74 47 Rod On 4/7/05, Merron Riddiford <riddiford@giant.net.au> wrote: > > Hi > I am new to the list. > I have noticed on the Clarence River Historical Society web site that there > were HARMAN's living in the area. > I was wondering if anyone knew where these HARMANs originated from. > I am researching my Harman ancestors in Victoria whom originally came form > Cambridgeshire > Kind Regards > Merron > > ==== AUS-NSW-NORCO Mailing List ==== > Why not put your GEDCOM on line at > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > >

Try the Clarence River Historical Society with the e-mail address of <history@nor.com.au> and the web address of http://www.nor.com.au/community/museums/index.html They will give you good service. Philip Strong (formerly Science teacher at Grafton High) >Hi listers > >Grace Elizabeth Paterson b.1888 Casino, d. 6 Jun 1945 Grafton. Has >anyone access to Daily Examiner to see if there is an obituary or >death notice - PLEASE. > >Thank you >Reg >Formerly of Tyndale -- ****************************************** Name : Philip Strong Email : plstrong@pnc.com.au Location: Blue Mountains,NSW Australia Websites: STRONG, LANE, WEDEMEYER, FOSTER http://www.pnc.com.au/~plstrong/ ******************************************

> Hello Tracie, I am interested in the Hindmarsh and Lee names in your e-mail, if they are connected to the Gerringong and Bexhill/ Clunes/Lismore areas. George Thomas Hindmarsh and Henry Lee. George Hindmarsh travelled from Gerringong to Clunes in 1882 with John and William Elliott. They all took up land at Coopers Creek Clunes. Henry Lee was in business with John Elliott at Bexhill in 1900. I look forward to hearing from you if you are connected to these two names. Regards, Carole (Elliott). > From: "Tracie King" <shaneking@ozemail.com.au> > Date: Monday, April 4, 2005 8:30 PM > To: AUS-NSW-NORCO-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: HILDEBRRAND, COLLIS, HINDMARSH, MARSHALL, SHEPPARD, LEE, HEMSLEY, > ELLEM, RYAN >

Hi listers Grace Elizabeth Paterson b.1888 Casino, d. 6 Jun 1945 Grafton. Has anyone access to Daily Examiner to see if there is an obituary or death notice - PLEASE. Thank you Reg Formerly of Tyndale

Hi Tracy, Can't help you with the rest of your names......but ELLEM....I can !! Cheers Lynne (nee Ellem) Visit our Website www.genealogy.boneworld.net or www.annforbes.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tracie King" <shaneking@ozemail.com.au> To: <AUS-NSW-NORCO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 8:30 PM Subject: HILDEBRRAND, COLLIS, HINDMARSH, MARSHALL, SHEPPARD, LEE, HEMSLEY, ELLEM, RYAN > HILDEBRRAND, COLLIS, HINDMARSH, MARSHALL, SHEPPARD, LEE, HEMSLEY, ELLEM, > RYAN > > I would very much like to be in contact with anyone who is researching > the above names, I have quiet a lot to share but also have quiet a few > gaps to fill in. > > Look forward to hearing from you soon. > > Tracie King > shaneking@ozemail.com.au > > ______________________________ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.4 - Release Date: 6/04/2005

Hi Merron, I have HARMANs who were Grafton pioneers, arriving there in late 1850s (after swimming in from England) - are these the ones you refer to? If so, they came from Deptford, Kent. Regards Pam An Aussie transplanted to Rotorua, NZ. At 20:39 7.04.05 +1000, Merron Riddiford wrote: >I have noticed on the Clarence River Historical Society web site that there >were HARMAN's living in the area. >I was wondering if anyone knew where these HARMANs originated from. >I am researching my Harman ancestors in Victoria whom originally came form >Cambridgeshire

Hi Merron, The HARMAN's at Grafton were Henry Douglas k/a Harry b. 1890 Wallerawang s/o William GEorge and Matilda Ann ASPINALL. He was a tailor and died 1978. bur. South Grafton. Married 31 Oct 1921 Grafton Mary Monica STOKES b. 1889 Grafton d/o Mark STOKES and Mary Catherine BROWN. d. Nov 1975 Issue: Monica Ethel 1922 m. William HUMBERGE Marie Lenore 1925 m. Allan YEOMANS William Mark 1927-1974 No connection to me...I do volunteer work at Grafton Historical. I am connected to the HARMANs at Maitland/Dungog who are too numerous to list. Hazel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Merron Riddiford" <riddiford@giant.net.au> To: <AUS-NSW-NORCO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 8:39 PM Subject: [NORCO] Harman > > Hi > I am new to the list. > I have noticed on the Clarence River Historical Society web site that > there were HARMAN's living in the area. > I was wondering if anyone knew where these HARMANs originated from. > I am researching my Harman ancestors in Victoria whom originally came form > Cambridgeshire > Kind Regards > Merron > > > > > ==== AUS-NSW-NORCO Mailing List ==== > Why not put your GEDCOM on line at > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > >

Hi I am new to the list. I have noticed on the Clarence River Historical Society web site that there were HARMAN's living in the area. I was wondering if anyone knew where these HARMANs originated from. I am researching my Harman ancestors in Victoria whom originally came form Cambridgeshire Kind Regards Merron

Good morning Listers, Still working on the HAMPSON family and with the kind assistance of many on the List, it is turning out to be a good yarn indeed. Still trying to find out what ship the HAMPSON family arrived on from the USA. I believe however, the year would be IN 1854, between the birth of Mary Ann in the US in 1853 and the birth of Thomas in N.S.W. around Sept in 1854. The story goes so far for the line of the rellie I am assisting with this research:- Edward and Mary HAMPSON, (nee Harrison) from Ashton Under Lyne, Lancaster England, their son:- Wright Harrison HAMPSON, born 1848 Salem Mass, married Isabella Emmeline Reid at Port Macquarie in 1870 (Isabella being the daughter of Edward and Ann Reid of Port Macquarie), their son:- Arthur William HAMPSON born at Tamworth in 1874, married Caroline E Hollis at Cootamundra in 1899, their daughter:- Daphne E. HAMPSON born in Sydney in 1905, married Howard Edgar BOLTON in 1928. (The Bolton family story is another great Saga of intrigue and mystery). I am hoping someone can throw some light on Isabella Emmeline Reid. I have found she is the daughter of Edward and Ann Reid. I can find that this couple had two sons, Charles born 1855 and James born 1862, however I am unable to find the birth of Isabella. She married Wright Harrison HAMPSON in 1870, and guessing she may have been around 18, she may have been born circa 1852. I also, am unable to find a marriage for her parents, which makes me think they could have been immigrants and Isabella was born not in Australia. Any assistance with solving this new mystery would be very much appreciated. Hoping someone has the answer. Regards, Janice Belrose - Sydney