Hi Bev Please note the posting to list re HOGAN/LOFTS connection- maybe their is a link in the chain? Natalie

Hi Anne Maye Emma LOFTS b 1862 was the daughter of Frederick LOFTS and Bridget CLARKIN. Emma married John CUSACK. in 1860 Her parents married 1858 at W. Maitland. Frederick LOFTS died in LISMORE. Ann B. HOGAN b 1885 married William R. Mc CULLY 1903. Ann's parents: Richard HOGAN and Elizabeth LOFTS who married in Lismore in 1884. Natalie

>_ Bev, the Elliotts in your "off track" list of names. Are they decendants of William and Rebecca Elliott, pioneers of the Clunes district, C.1883 to 1905???? If so, I would love to hear from you to exchange research. Regards, Carole (Elliott) _____ > From: <bmc49@bigpond.com.au> > Date: Thursday, May 19, 2005 11:26 AM > To: AUS-NSW-NORCO-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Names I'm researching in the Lismore area > > I have a lot of family history in the Richmond River area but have not posted > for some time so will try again. > Lots of good old common names I'm afraid. > Clarke; Davis; Scheibel; Lofts; Smith; Wray; Mitchell; Singh (Mullumbimby); > Off track but of interest: Larrescy; Curtis; Elliott; Godbee; Greenaway > (Grafton); Knight; Lowe; Martin; Reis; McNaughton; Rogers; Schafer; Walker. > That should keep everyone busy for a while. > > Bev.......(nee Davis) > "You don't have to drive me crazy > I'm close enough to walk " > >

Re that big list of McQUILTY connections .. they're mine and I can connect them all. At the moment I am in Singapore doing Granny duties while my daughter recovers from a severe infection so my info is at home. Have just had to extend my stay till mid June but will be back home then. However I am fairly close to publishing my family history so would love to hear more from those who have expressed an interest. At this stage I am particularly interested in the connections, not just of the family members, but who the midwives were if you have Birth Certs or who undertakers were if you have Death Certs .. not always official ones but often neighbours. Must off now but will be in touch soon. Would love to know where you all fit. Anne. Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com

Hi Listers If any one could add any information to McQUILTY research would greatly appreciate hearing from you ** *KYOGLE: Cemetery* Section CATHOLIC section A row 3 54 McQUILTY, William Thomas died 11 May 1945 Age 71 Years McQUILTY Annie Caroline died 16 July 1967 age 85 years Section Anglican sec tion C Row 2 434 McQUILTY, Douglas died 18 Sept 1950 age 21 years 433 McQUILTY, Grace Eveline died 2 JUne 1970 age 70 years Mc Section Catholic Section C Row 3 184 McQUILTY, Francis Thomas "Dad" died 16 June 1956 age 89 years 185 McQUILTY, Mary Anne "Mum" died 23 Jan 1963 age 81 years 186 McQUILTY, Francis John My dear husband died June 1969 age 68 years Section Methodistow 18 324 McQUILTY John died 2 Aug 1980 age 48 years ____________________________________________ *LISMORE: *Number Surname Given Name Sex Burial Date Death Date crematorium Cemetery placementtype placement director plaqueplaced cremnumber 22647 MCQUILTY CLARA ELIZABETH F 28-Jun-99 24-Jun-99 Lismore CREMATORIUM hold/collect COLLECT KEN RAMSAY FUNERALS KEN RAMSAY FUNERAL SERVICES 22288 MCQUILTY DARRYL NOEL M 23-Sep-98 20-Sep-98 Lismore CREMATORIUM hold/collect COLLECT KEN RAMSAY FUNERALS KEN RAMSAY FUNERAL SERVICES __________________________ QUILTY William Francis died 9 Aug 1971 age 73 years ___________________________________________ *CASINO West Street* Old Roman Catholic Section Row E plot 76 James McQUILTY died 13/04/1944 aged 73 years Ref Headstone ________________________________________________________________ *Jenny Brandis **http://www.brandis.com.au/gendata/tweedhd/mc.html*<http://www.brandis.com.au/gendata/tweedhd/mc.html> *SURNAME FIRST NAME DATE DIED AGE CEMETERY* McQUILTY E. May 5, 1957 39 YEARS BRAY PARK CATHOLIC CEMETERY MCQUILTY EUGENE Zero 00, ???? UNKNOWN MURWILLUMBAH GENERAL CEMETERY - SECTION "N" - CHURCH OF ENGLAND McQUILTY EUGENE JOHN April 23, 1945 62 YEARS MURWILLUMBAH GENERAL CEMETERY, Cnr. TREE St. & BYANGUM Rd., GENEALOGISTS EXTRACTION MCQUILTY RESERVE Zero 00, ???? UNKNOWN MURWILLUMBAH GENERAL CEMETERY - SECTION "N" - CHURCH OF ENGLAND McQUILTY VINA GERTRUDE January 28, 1972 77 YEARS MURWILLUMBAH GENERAL CEMETERY, Cnr. TREE St. & BYANGUM Rd., GENEALOGISTS EXTRACTION _____________________________________________________________________________ * NEW SOUTH WALES PIONEER Marriages 1788-1888* Surname First Name Sex index Year Suname First Name Sex Town Registration Year Registration Number MCQUILTY WILLIAM MALE 1881 SIVEWRIGHTS JANE FEMALE LISMORE 1881 5801 MCQUILTY ALICE FEMALE 1882 SCOTCHENER JOHN JAMES MALE GOULBURN 1882 3256 *NEW SOUTH WALES PIONEER BIRTHS 1788-1888* *Surname First Name Index Year Father Mother Town Religion Parish Volume Reference Number Registration Year Registration Number *MCQUILTY MARY 1851 PATRICK MARGRET ROMAN CATHOLIC FAR SOUTH COAST; CO. DAMPIER V18512400 68 1851 0 MCQUILTY WILLIAM A 1848 FRANCIS MARY ROMAN CATHOLIC IPSWICH (QLD) V18482672 70 1848 0 MCQUILTY WILLIAM 1857 EDMUND SARAH ROMAN CATHOLIC ARMIDALE V4118A VOL 72 1857 0 MCQUILTY FRANCIS T 1867 FRANCIS BETSY RICHMOND RIVER 1867 15728 MCQUILTY CATHERINE 1869 FRANCIS BETSEY RICHMOND RIVER 1869 17601 MCQUILTY JAMES 1871 FRANCIS ELIZABETH RICHMOND RIVER 1871 16955 MCQUILTY WILLIAM 1873 FRANCIS BETSEY RICHMOND RIVER 1873 17901 MCQUILTY CHARLES JOHN 1875 FRANCIS ELIZABETH RICHMOND RIVER S 1875 18918 MCQUILTY THOMAS 1877 FRANCIS BETSEY CASINO 1877 19863 MCQUILTY MARTHA 1882 WILLIAM JANE LISMORE 1882 27191 MCQUILTY EUGENE J 1882 FRANCIS ELIZABETH LISMORE 1882 27239 MCQUILTY HARRIET 1886 FRANCIS ELIZABETH LISMORE 1886 33362 MCQUILTY SUSANNAH M 1888 FRANCIS BETSEY LISMORE 1888 35043 * NEW SOUTH WALES PIONEER DEATHS 1788-1888 Suname Fist name Index Year Father Mother Town Registion Year Registration Number* MCQUILTY CATHERINE 1870 FRANCIS ELIZABETH RICHMOND RIVER 1870 5696 MCQUILTY MARTHA 1873 JOHN MARTHA RICHMOND RIVER 1873 6618 MCQUILTY FRANCIS 1875 AGE 75 YEARS DIED LISMORE RICHMOND RIVER 1875 9501 MCQUILTY CHARLES 1877 FRANCIS ELIZABETH RICHMOND RIVER 1877 8590 ________________________________________________________________________________ *NEW SOUTH WALES MARRIAGES:-1889-1918 FEDERATION* Surname First Name Sex Index Year Surname First Name Sex Town Registration Year Registration Number MCQUILTY JAMES MALE 1894 SCHRODER RACHEL FEMALE LISMORE 1894 0.4542 MCQUILTY HARRIET J FEMALE 1904 MCCULLY JOHN G MALE LISMORE 1904 9265 MCQUILTY HARRIET J FEMALE 1904 MACCULLY JOHN G MALE LISMORE 1904 9265 MCQUILTY THOMAS MALE 1907 SHIPWAY WILMOT A FEMALE LISMORE 1907 1714 MCQUILTY SUSANNAH M FEMALE 1910 WHITE ARTHUR MALE LISMORE 1910 5380 MCQUILTY LENA FEMALE 1913 JACKSON HAROLD C MALE KYOGLE 1913 14483 MCQUILTY EUGENE J MALE 1915 RITCHIE VINA G FEMALE LISMORE 1915 5619 MCQUILTY HILDA G FEMALE 1918 TUNSTED WILLIAM G MALE KYOGLE 1918 9571 MCQUILTY EILEEN M FEMALE 1918 POWER WILLIAM H MALE LISMORE 1918 12712 MCQUILTY VERA M FEMALE 1918 SCHIPP CORNELIUS A MALE BYRON BAY 1918 12911 _____________________________________________________________________________ *NEW SOUTH WALES BIRTHS 1889-1918 FEDERATION* *Surname First Name Index Year Father Mother Town Reistration Year Registration Number* MCQUILTY EDWARD 1891 FRANCIS BETSY LISMORE 1891 19283 MCQUILTY HENRIETTA R 1895 JAMES RACHEL LISMORE 1895 4561 MCQUILTY MARY V 1896 JAMES RACHAEL LISMORE 1896 22686 MCQUILTY MABEL E 1898 JAMES RACHEL LISMORE 1898 13150 MCQUILTY MARY E 1900 FRANCIS T MARY A LISMORE 1900 4406 MCQUILTY FRANCIS J P 1901 FRANCIS T MARY A LISMORE 1901 23299 MCQUILTY HILDA G 1902 WILLIAM T ANNIE C LISMORE 1902 13381 MCQUILTY ALICE M 1903 FRANCIS MARY A LISMORE 1903 22176 MCQUILTY ALMA K 1904 JAMES RACHEL LISMORE 1904 33507 MCQUILTY PEARL 1905 FRANCIS T MARY A LISMORE 1905 24348 MCQUILTY RONALD F 1906 JAMES RACHEL LISMORE 1906 14544 MCQUILTY HELENA ELIZABETH 1906 WILMOT ANN LISMORE 1906 25313 MCQUILTY KATHLEEN N M 1908 THOMAS WILMOT A LISMORE 1908 15232 MCQUILTY CHARLES J 1909 FRANCIS T MARY A LISMORE 1909 26375 MCQUILTY DOREEN A 1909 JAMES RACHEL LISMORE 1909 38084 MCQUILTY FRANCIS T 1910 THOMAS WILMOT A LISMORE 1910 5164 MCQUILTY ALFRED E 1910 WILLIAM ANNIE C LISMORE 1910 27878 MCQUILTY KEITH N 1910 WILLIAM ANNIE C LISMORE 1910 27879 MCQUILTY ELSIE 1910 FRANCIS T MARY A LISMORE 1910 39787 MCQUILTY ARTHUR N 1911 THOMAS WILMOT A LISMORE 1911 41617 MCQUILTY HAROLD G 1913 WILLIAM ANNIE C KYOGLE 1913 45312 MCQUILTY MARY M 1914 THOMAS WILMOT KYOGLE 1914 21467 MCQUILTY LENA 1914 FRANCIS T MARY A KYOGLE 1914 21478 MCQUILTY FRANCIS V 1915 EDWARD E EDITH S KYOGLE 1915 4702 MCQUILTY CECIL J 1916 JAMES RACHEL S BYRON BAY 1916 3121 MCQUILTY NINA V 1916 EUGENE J VINA G LISMORE 1916 12144 MCQUILTY DOROTHY L 1916 THOMAS WILMOT A LISMORE 1916 32807 MCQUILTY MYRA 1917 FRANCIS T MARY A KYOGLE 1917 23071 MCQUILTY ROY C 1917 EUGENE J VINA G BALLINA 1917 52850 MCQUILTY EDWARD A 1918 WILLIAM ANNIE C KYOGLE 1918 25205 M MCQUILTY EDMUND 1918 THOMAS WILMOT A LISMORE 1918 48521 _____________________________________________________________________ *DEATHS 1889-1918 FEDERATION Surname First Name Index Year Father Mother Town Registion Year Registration Number* MCQUILTY FRANCIS 1908 FRANCIS MARY LISMORE 1908 14051 MCQUILTY WILLIAM A 1914 FRANCIS MARY RYDE 1914 3896 MCQUILTY DOREEN A 1914 JAMES RACHEL S BYRON BAY 1914 12082 MCQUILTY JANE 1914 JOHN MARTHA LISMORE 1914 12740 ___________________________________________________________________________ * NEW SOUTH WALES BETWEEN THE WARS MARRIAGES- 1919- 1945 Surname First Name Sex Index Year Surname First Name Sex Town Registion Year Registration Number* MCQUILTY HENERETTA R FEMALE 1919 PAWLEY OSCAR H MALE BYRON BAY 1919 2962 MCQUILTY MARY E FEMALE 1926 CONNOLLY JAMES MALE LISMORE 1926 4470 MCQUILTY HELENA E FEMALE 1924 CONNORS PATRICK MALE KYOGLE 1924 7241 MCQUILTY ALICE M FEMALE 1923 HALLIDAY WILLIAM W H MALE KYOGLE 1923 3529 MCQUILTY WILLIAM F MALE 1926 NEWMAN GRACE E FEMALE KYOGLE 1926 11438 MCQUILTY PEARL J FEMALE 1923 RALLEY ALBERT D MALE KYOGLE 1923 12882 MCQUILTY KATHLEEN N M FEMALE 1934 BROWN ALBERT MALE KYOGLE 1934 13041 MCQUILTY RONALD F MALE 1930 REGAN SYLVIA E FEMALE DRUMMOYNE 1930 5448 MCQUILTY JAMES C MALE 1935 STANFIELD EVA G FEMALE CASINO 1935 7857 MCQUILTY FRANCIS J MALE 1935 TITMARSH CLARA E FEMALE CASINO 1935 18094 MCQUILTY ALFRED EXTON MALE 1936 HOGAN LEAH EDNA FEMALE KYOGLE 1936 18810 MCQUILTY HAROLD GORDON MALE 1939 TISDELI CEDELIA CLARENZA FEMALE CASINO 1939 15739 MCQUILTY MARY M FEMALE 1934 MUTTON LIONEL T MALE CASINO 1934 6997 MCQUILTY PEARL J FEMALE 1923 RALLEY ALBERT D MALE KYOGLE 1923 12882 MCQUILTY KATHLEEN N M FEMALE 1934 BROWN ALBERT MALE KYOGLE 1934 13041 MCQUILTY RONALD F MALE 1930 REGAN SYLVIA E FEMALE DRUMMOYNE 1930 5448 MCQUILTY JAMES C MALE 1935 STANFIELD EVA G FEMALE CASINO 1935 7857 MCQUILTY FRANCIS J MALE 1935 TITMARSH CLARA E FEMALE CASINO 1935 18094 MCQUILTY ALFRED EXTON MALE 1936 HOGAN LEAH EDNA FEMALE KYOGLE 1936 18810 MCQUILTY HAROLD GORDON MALE 1939 TISDELI CEDELIA CLARENZA FEMALE CASINO 1939 15739 MCQUILTY MARY M FEMALE 1934 MUTTON LIONEL T MALE CASINO 1934 6997 MCQUILTY PEARL J FEMALE 1923 RALLEY ALBERT D MALE KYOGLE 1923 12882 MCQUILTY KATHLEEN N M FEMALE 1934 BROWN ALBERT MALE KYOGLE 1934 13041 MCQUILTY RONALD F MALE 1930 REGAN SYLVIA E FEMALE DRUMMOYNE 1930 5448 MCQUILTY JAMES C MALE 1935 STANFIELD EVA G FEMALE CASINO 1935 7857 MCQUILTY FRANCIS J MALE 1935 TITMARSH CLARA E FEMALE CASINO 1935 18094 MCQUILTY ALFRED EXTON MALE 1936 HOGAN LEAH EDNA FEMALE KYOGLE 1936 18810 MCQUILTY HAROLD GORDON MALE 1939 TISDELI CEDELIA CLARENZA FEMALE CASINO 1939 15739 MCQUILTY MARY M FEMALE 1934 MUTTON LIONEL T MALE CASINO 1934 6997 MCQUILTY MARGARET LENA FEMALE 1936 RAYNER ALBERT POULSEN MALE KYOGLE 1936 18814 MCQUILTY DOROTHY LORAINE FEMALE 1939 VALLETT RAYMOND WEITH MALE CASINO 1939 15718 MCQUILTY NINA VERDUN FEMALE 1937 WILLOWS WALTER WILLIAM MALE LISMORE 1937 22834 MCQUILTY VERONICA ALICE FEMALE 1939 YATES ERNEST STANLEY MALE CASINO 1939 25321 MCQUILTY LEILA MAY FEMALE 1943 BENNETT KENNETH WALLACE MALE MURWILLUMBAH 1943 11276 MCQUILTY MARIE PATRICIA FEMALE 1940 FISHER WILLIAM JAMES MALE KYOGLE 1940 5503 MCQUILTY IRENE CLAIRE FEMALE 1944 KENNEDY LEON THOMAS MALE MURWILLUMBAH 1944 24079 MCQUILTY ARTHUR NOEL MALE 1940 MACLACHLAN BERYL BERNICE FEMALE SYDNEY 1940 7231 R MCQUILTY ARTHUR NOEL MALE 1940 MCLACHLAN BERYL BERNICE FEMALE SYDNEY 1940 7231 MCQUILTY ROY CHARLES MALE 1941 GARRARD LILA IRIS FEMALE MURWILLUMBAH 1941 2639 MCQUILTY FRANCIS THOMAS MALE 1941 MACLACHLAN DORIS DULCIE FEMALE GLEN INNES 1941 10490 R MCQUILTY FRANCIS THOMAS MALE 1941 MCLACHLAN DORIS DULCIE FEMALE GLEN INNES 1941 10490 MCQUILTY EDWARD ALLEN MALE 1943 CHAPMAN MAVIS FEMALE KYOGLE 1943 23127 MCQUILTY EDMUND SHIPWAY MALE 1944 NORRIS RITA MAUDE RUSSELL FEMALE SYDNEY 1944 7354 R MCQUILTY EDMUND SHIPWAY MALE 1944 RUSSELL RITA MAUDE FEMALE SYDNEY 1944 7354 MCQUILTY CECIL JAMES MALE 1945 MILLER BERENICE JOAN FEMALE ASHFIELD 1945 1036 MCQUILTY ERIC BERNARD MALE 1945 VIDLER MILLICENT JESSIE FEMALE LISMORE 1945 3286 MCQUILTY ELIZABETH MERCY FEMALE 1940 SIMONS GORDON ARCHIBALD MALE MURWILLUMBAH 1940 21126 *NEW SOUTH WALES BETWEEN THE WARS DEATHS- 1919- 1945 Surname First Name Index Year Father Mother Town Registration Year Registration Number *MCQUILTY ALBERT A 1921 FREDERICK ELIZABETH M KYOGLE 1921 13722 MCQUILTY KERRY CHARLES 1941 ROY CHARLES LILA IRIS MURWILLUMBAH 1941 18616 MCQUILTY JAMES 1944 FRANCIS ELIZABETH CASINO 1944 8218 MCQUILTY EUGENE JOHN 1945 FRANCIS ELIZABETH MUSWELLBROOK 1945 10756 MCQUILTY WILLIAM THOMAS 1945 FRANCIS BETSY KYOGLE 1945 9918 *INDEX OF OBITUARIES AND DEATH NOTICES:* Compiled from Society Files by Members of the Society Collated and Checked by Margaret Henderson Richmond River Historical Society, Inc. Lismore, 1996-2002 MCQUILTY, Eric James 1996 In memoriam - died 2 July 1995. MCQUILTY, Francis John (Jack) 1969 Buried Kyogle. MCQUILTY, Francis Thomas (Frank?) 1956 MCQUILTY, James Charles 1971 MCQUILTY, Mary Anne (nee HALL) 1963 _______________________________________________________ *THE RYERSON INDEX NAME DATE AGE TYPE PLACE PUBLISHED * McQUILTY,Arthur Frederick 26MAY1977 Death late of Randwick 01JUN1977 SMH McQUILTY,Cecil James 10FEB1987 Death late of Leumeah 12FEB1987 SMH McQUILTY,Cedelia Clarenza 15JAN1994 78 Funl late of Alstonville 17JAN1994 LNS McQUILTY,Christine Anne 30JAN1996C Funl late of Kororo 0JAN1996 CCA McQUILTY,Clara Elizabeth 24JUN1999 94 Death at Caroona NH, Goonellabah, formerly of North Lismore & Kyogle 29JUN1999 LNS McQUILTY,Drue Thomas 07JAN2001 36 Death late of Lawnton 10JAN2001 BCM McQUILTY,Eric Bernard 02APR1979 56 Death late of Woy Woy 04APR1979 SMH McQUILTY,Eric James 02JUL1995 59 Funl late of Backmede 03JUL1995 LNS McQUILTY,Harold Gordon 30JUL2001 87 Funl late of Alstonville 31JUL2001 LNS McQUILTY,Harold Gordon 03AUG2001P Legal late of Alstonville 03AUG2001 LNS McQUILTY,Mark James 13SEP1995 42 Death late of Ruse 14SEP1995 SMH McQUILTY,Robert Francis 06OCT1999 Funl at Mullumbimby Hospital 08OCT1999 LNS MCQUILTY,Terrence Patrick 20SEP1993 46 Death late of Normanhurst 22SEP1993 SMH _____________________________________________ Vera Grace McQUILTY Birth Christening: Death: Burial: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Spouses -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1. *Cornelius Albert SCHIPP Birth Christening: Death: Burial: Marriage: 1918 - Byron Bay, NSW -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Children -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1. Allan J SCHIPP 2. Stillborn SCHIPP 3. Living ______________________________ *John McQuilty* Born: - Marr: - Died: - Spouses: Clara Elizabeth Titmarsh Born: 5 NOV 1904 - Died: - Other Spouses: _________________________________________ *Descendants of William Mc QUILTY * 1 William Mc QUILTY .. +Jane SEVEWRIGHT ....... 2 Martha Mc QUILTY _____________________________________ * Descendants of Jack Mc QUILTY *1 Jack Mc QUILTY .. +Vivian . ....... 2 Irene Clare Mc QUILTY ........... +Leon Thomas (Jerry) KENNEDY ** Rod

Dear Anne I have a note about two McDONOUGH families, one from Glen Innes and one from Roseberry near Kyogle. Eileen McDONOUGH married George Lorimer GREENTREE (Lorrie) in 1940 at Glen Innes and had two children with him, Mary in 1941 and Peter in 1943. She died at Gunnedah on 2 June 1980. Another Eileen (Eileen MANEWELL) married J. McDONOUGH. Her parents were Bill MANEWELL and Daisy ALLISON. This family is mentioned in Bruce WILSON's book "Kyogle and District Early Settlers" published probably around 1980. Bill MANEWELL took his family to the Kyogle district in 1915 by bullock waggon and worked at Roseberry in the timber industry. This Eileen and her siblings went to school at The Risk. Not much information, but hope it helps. Bill Moyle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Maye" <a_mayezing@yahoo.com.au> To: <AUS-NSW-NORCO-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 10:31 AM Subject: MCQUILTY/SHIPWAY/MCDONOUGH/EXTON/NIELSEN/SCHROEDER(var) >I have been lurking on the List for some time while > researching my family especially with its North Coast > connections. > > The above names are central to this research and I > would love to hear from other researchers following > any of the above and their connections. > > In addition any connections to early Blakebrook > families (1840s) are of interest. > > Other names are: > > WOOD; SIVEWRIGHT; MCGUINESS; JONES; CUSACK; MCKINNON; > MCCULLY; WHITE; > > Anne Maye > > Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. > http://au.movies.yahoo.com > > ______________________________

I have a lot of family history in the Richmond River area but have not posted for some time so will try again. Lots of good old common names I'm afraid. Clarke; Davis; Scheibel; Lofts; Smith; Wray; Mitchell; Singh (Mullumbimby); Off track but of interest: Larrescy; Curtis; Elliott; Godbee; Greenaway (Grafton); Knight; Lowe; Martin; Reis; McNaughton; Rogers; Schafer; Walker. That should keep everyone busy for a while. Bev.......(nee Davis) "You don't have to drive me crazy I'm close enough to walk "

Hi Bev Not sure if I've talked with you before, but if you are a descendant of Edward Davis and Phyllis Scheibel, I'd love to hear from you. regards Regina --- bmc49@bigpond.com.au wrote: > I have a lot of family history in the Richmond River > area but have not posted for some time so will try > again. > Lots of good old common names I'm afraid. > Clarke; Davis; Scheibel; Lofts; Smith; Wray; > Mitchell; Singh (Mullumbimby); > Off track but of interest: Larrescy; Curtis; > Elliott; Godbee; Greenaway (Grafton); Knight; Lowe; > Martin; Reis; McNaughton; Rogers; Schafer; Walker. > That should keep everyone busy for a while. > > Bev.......(nee Davis) > "You don't have to drive me crazy > I'm close enough to walk " > > > ==== AUS-NSW-NORCO Mailing List ==== > NSW Births Deaths and Marriages Index on line > http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/searchHistoricalRecords.htm > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and > search for your ancestors at the same time. Share > your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > > Genealogy website = http://www.geocities.com/regina_craig/ Updated, fact only website = http://www.gencircles.com/users/regina1/4 ___________________________________________________________ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com

Hi Saw mention of SIVEWRIGHT and Mc QUILTY and interested in same Rod

I have been lurking on the List for some time while researching my family especially with its North Coast connections. The above names are central to this research and I would love to hear from other researchers following any of the above and their connections. In addition any connections to early Blakebrook families (1840s) are of interest. Other names are: WOOD; SIVEWRIGHT; MCGUINESS; JONES; CUSACK; MCKINNON; MCCULLY; WHITE; Anne Maye Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com

Hi Anne I also have an interest in the Exton family... eg the descendants of James Exton and Susannah Lancaster. Would like to hear from you. regards Regina --- Anne Maye <a_mayezing@yahoo.com.au> wrote: > I have been lurking on the List for some time while > researching my family especially with its North > Coast > connections. > > The above names are central to this research and I > would love to hear from other researchers following > any of the above and their connections. > > In addition any connections to early Blakebrook > families (1840s) are of interest. > > Other names are: > > WOOD; SIVEWRIGHT; MCGUINESS; JONES; CUSACK; > MCKINNON; > MCCULLY; WHITE; > > Anne Maye > > Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! > Movies. > http://au.movies.yahoo.com > > > ==== AUS-NSW-NORCO Mailing List ==== > Why not put your GEDCOM on line at > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million > records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the > world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

Hello all I have been following this topic, Last week I went to my Local Studies Centre at the library and in the course of the day photocopied several pages of both the QLD and the NSW Pioneer BMD Index from M/Fiche. On each page of the NSW BMD it states - Copywright 1993 The Crown On each page of the QLD BMD it states - Copywright - The State Of Queensland 1997 However both request you to ;- NSW - Please quote EVENT, REGISTRATION YEAR & NUMBER of VOLUME REFERENCE when ordering certificates. QLD - PLEASE QUOTE FULL NAME, EVENT AND REGISTRATION NO WHEN ORDERING CERTIFICATES. I am no solicitor, but I consider that when anyone is replying to a lookup request, they include the words "To assist you When ordering certificates.............." They are complying with copywright. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry" <call@hunterlink.net.au> To: <AUS-NSW-NORCO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 11:22 AM Subject: [NORCO] RE: Copyright matters > > Hi all, > > My advice has been that if the material is reproduced in its original form > copyright does apply. However if the data has been altered, copyright then > is with the person who made the changes. > For example, in my case. I have copied entries from parish registers into > a > data base and then rearranged the data. As you all know the entries in a > parish register are in chronological order. So if looking for family > members > one needs to know the date of the event. > However when I rearrange the data and sort it by family surname the family > is reconstituted. This is significant change to the format of the original > data. Another example is when the entries from the three registers i.e > Birth > death and marriage are combined in one data base. > > However I am not a copyright expert. I suggest that if in doubt do as I > have > done and contact the Intellectual Property & Copyright Librarian at the > State Library > > Htioi > Terry > > > > > ==== AUS-NSW-NORCO Mailing List ==== > Why not put your GEDCOM on line at > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.6 - Release Date: 6/05/2005 > >

I didn't get a chance to check e-mail until this morning. . .but. . wow. .. Thank you, everyone, for all of the input, and Rex for the information from the entry. It is an odd entry for a Roman Catholic church, isn't it? In some ways? But they can't be my people, so that settles that. As to other things mentioned: my Alexander and Catherine were in Port Macquarie from 1841-ish to 1845-ish. There was apparently a visiting RC priest at some point, but no church, so their children's births are recorded Parramatta/St. James. I am looking for their marriage. As I said, this was a long shot. Alexander was French and a RAINE (I saw no other MAINEs and could not find it as a surname, so was hoping for a misspellng - by most accounts, Alex must have had quite an accent to his English). Catherine was Irish and used mostly GIBLIN, but also DEVLIN and COTTON. I'm running out of ideas for finding their marriage, perhaps starting to grasp at straws, and may have to accept the fact that they never took that step (or recorded it), despite being RC. As to copyright and the church -- I once posted to New Zealand list a series of entries from a never-copyrighted work in which a family historian had recorded very early church entries. I got e-mail by way of someone from the priest/archivist (who got wind of it I don't know how), telling me I should cease and desist. I pointed out that I was taking the entries from elsewhere. Correct or not, he was adamant on the fact that the church still held copyright. Kim On Fri, May 6, 2005 7:38 pm, Ezitree said: > Hello Kim, > The entry for Alexander Maine and Catherine Dolan both of Sydney shows the > marriage at St Mary's Church Sydney on 7 September 1843. The witnesses were Batholomew Shea and Honora Shea and the minister's name was H G Gregory. There is a notation at the bottom of the page which says "Witnessed all the above signatures and marks J Grant of Sydney".

Dear John and List, I will stand corrected if need be but it is my understanding that the first 123 volumes of the Birth Death and Marriage records were copied onto microfilm by the then Archives Office of NSW, without the authority of the Attorney General who holds the copyright, but it it noted on the start of each reel that the records are subject to copyright and not to be copied. Sincerely,Bill > Hi Rex & List, > > I was a little surprised by your comment, and I quote; "This is because > the original copyright of these records vests with the church that created > them. SAG is doing the correct thing by not allowing copies." >

Hi John and other interested listeners, Perhaps our discussion does not belong in Norco but some other general news group. Hopefully, it is not TOO boring to others and maybe a little bit interesting in light of the heavy usage we family historians make of these records. When I said that "...copyright lasts 70 years "after the death of the creator..." I was only quoting what is on the copyright website. I was also confused by the tangle of words that are used in copyright legislation and information papers. In one paper (Family Histories and Copyright - G42) they state that the "...copyright passes to another person (or organisation) when the owner dies. If no beneficiaries are named in the copyright owner's will, it is inherited by the person who inherits the residue of the estate, or to the next of kin if there is no will." I have sent them an email requesting clarification of what this really means. Perhaps the answer lies in the specifics of when the records are actually published. Does the copyright start from the date the first microfilm of early church records was offered for sale rather than from the date it was first created? The (NSW) 'Archives in Brief No 74 - Research and copyright and your use of State archives' generally says that material NOT published remains permanently in copyright. Therefore does the reproduction of the early church records on microfilm constitute publication? In general, I personally want to abide by the requirements of organizations that provide access to this type of information. They do not have to give family historians access to their church records. Whilst being beaut historical documents, their church records were originally created to record the sacraments of the church. That they retained these documents over the years and normally make them available for perusal for a small cost, is a wonderful boon to all of us. If they say we shouldn't make reader prints, well I am happy with that. I guess that we will just have to agree to disagree. This is my last post on the subject. Regards...Rex Port Macquarie NSW

Hi all, My advice has been that if the material is reproduced in its original form copyright does apply. However if the data has been altered, copyright then is with the person who made the changes. For example, in my case. I have copied entries from parish registers into a data base and then rearranged the data. As you all know the entries in a parish register are in chronological order. So if looking for family members one needs to know the date of the event. However when I rearrange the data and sort it by family surname the family is reconstituted. This is significant change to the format of the original data. Another example is when the entries from the three registers i.e Birth death and marriage are combined in one data base. However I am not a copyright expert. I suggest that if in doubt do as I have done and contact the Intellectual Property & Copyright Librarian at the State Library Htioi Terry

Hello John and other interested listeners on the list, Firstly, let me state that I am not a lawyer - just another family historian trying to understand a very complex issue. Whilst copyright duration used to be 50 years, this changed to 70 years after 31 December 2004 as a result of the Free Trade Agreement with the USA. Secondly, the copyright lasts 70 years "after the death of the creator." As these records were created by ministers of the church for the (sacramental) purposes of church, the records probably then come under the category of material created by "employees". This states that where a work is made by an employee as part of that person's job, the employer will usually own the work. I guess this is similar to Crown Copyright. However, there are lots of "probably" and "usually" words here. Therefore, the implication is that whilst the church still is in existence, they still hold the copyright of church material until 70 years after the church closes down. I found this and other related information on the Australian Copyright Website www.copyright.org.au/ Please do not read this as legal advice. As I said above, it is a very complex issue and worthwhile discussing. Regards...Rex

My understanding is that these pre 1856 records were microfilmed and transcribed as part of a project following Federation. This is where the Churches sent in their Parrish Registers and they were transcribed and microfilmed. This project extended into WW1 and resources became a little stretched. I understand that some registers were sent to Sydney, never transcribed and never returned to their original source and have disappeared. When you go to the State archives there are some church records which are not to be photocopied ( not sure of the reason as they would be outside the 50 years ). I have searched through early records at the Mitchell Library ( and found transcription errors ) and have never had a problem getting a print. I agree with John - the records are pubicly available on the index - with errors if you can think laterally and overcome them. A copy ( or transcription ) is also available from BDMs. Trevor in Albion Park. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Caling" <acarina@actewagl.net.au> To: <AUS-NSW-NORCO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 8:29 PM Subject: Re: [NORCO] Old Church Records > Hi Rex & List, > > I was a little surprised by your comment, and I quote; "This is because the > original copyright of these records vests with the church that created them. > SAG is doing the correct thing by not allowing copies." > > Given that the official Government recording of these records commence in > 1856, the churches or any other organisation would not still hold copyright > over the documents under the current law. Copyright is not definitely > infinite. There is a clearly defined term (which I think is about 50 years) > where copyright applies over any written, published or produced article. > Once this time period is reached the documents then become free of copyright > and available for use by anyone. It is a common courtesy to acknowledge the > source or original authorof an article even if it is not under copyright. > > Since it is almost 150 years since the last church recording was done there > is absolutely no way these records would be still under copyright or any > church could lay claim to them. Even if SAG or a church body has transcribed > the records they would still be in their original form, therefore the > original copyright provisions would apply. If SAG or anyone else transcribes > the records and alters or adds to them substantially they may then claim > copyright however, that document would then not be a true and accurate copy > of the original and next to useless for any purpose. Just rearranging the > order of the data in an article does not constitute ownership under > copyright law. > > Therefore there must be some other reason for not allowing copying of these > articles. Use of the word "copyright" is probably just to scare off those > who are not familiar with the law. > > John Caling > Canberra > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ezitree" <ezitree@tsn.cc> > To: <AUS-NSW-NORCO-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 4:08 PM > Subject: RE: [NORCO] Old Church Records > > > > Hello Frances and All, > > > > Unless the Registrar of Births, Deaths and Marriages has changed the > > copying > > restrictions, the State Library should not be allowing reader print copies > > of the early church records. This is because the original copyright of > > these records vests with the church that created them. SAG is doing the > > correct thing by not allowing copies. > <<< SNIP >>> > > > > ==== AUS-NSW-NORCO Mailing List ==== > Got the address of a really useful website? List it at > http://resources.rootsweb.com/world/Australia/NewSouthWales/ > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > >

Hi Rex & List, I was a little surprised by your comment, and I quote; "This is because the original copyright of these records vests with the church that created them. SAG is doing the correct thing by not allowing copies." Given that the official Government recording of these records commence in 1856, the churches or any other organisation would not still hold copyright over the documents under the current law. Copyright is not definitely infinite. There is a clearly defined term (which I think is about 50 years) where copyright applies over any written, published or produced article. Once this time period is reached the documents then become free of copyright and available for use by anyone. It is a common courtesy to acknowledge the source or original authorof an article even if it is not under copyright. Since it is almost 150 years since the last church recording was done there is absolutely no way these records would be still under copyright or any church could lay claim to them. Even if SAG or a church body has transcribed the records they would still be in their original form, therefore the original copyright provisions would apply. If SAG or anyone else transcribes the records and alters or adds to them substantially they may then claim copyright however, that document would then not be a true and accurate copy of the original and next to useless for any purpose. Just rearranging the order of the data in an article does not constitute ownership under copyright law. Therefore there must be some other reason for not allowing copying of these articles. Use of the word "copyright" is probably just to scare off those who are not familiar with the law. John Caling Canberra ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ezitree" <ezitree@tsn.cc> To: <AUS-NSW-NORCO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 4:08 PM Subject: RE: [NORCO] Old Church Records > Hello Frances and All, > > Unless the Registrar of Births, Deaths and Marriages has changed the > copying > restrictions, the State Library should not be allowing reader print copies > of the early church records. This is because the original copyright of > these records vests with the church that created them. SAG is doing the > correct thing by not allowing copies. <<< SNIP >>>

Hello Frances and All, Unless the Registrar of Births, Deaths and Marriages has changed the copying restrictions, the State Library should not be allowing reader print copies of the early church records. This is because the original copyright of these records vests with the church that created them. SAG is doing the correct thing by not allowing copies. In any event, I suggest that if you need to get copies of early church records, get permission from the church or church archive that holds them. Most would be happy to provide copies on receipt of a request with a donation or their regular fee. The reason to go to the original church records is that the 'Early Church Records' in the Archive Resource Kit (ARK) are often copies created from the clergy returns and hence the likelihood of transcription error is greater. Also, the original church records quite often have the signatures of marriage parties provided they were literate. Although getting a bit dated now, the publication "Parish Registers in Australia" by Nick Vine Hall (1990) is an excellent guide to the location of church records. I certainly subscribe to looking up the Early Church Records in the ARK when the registration number of the particular entry from the registrar's web or CD-ROM index indicates such an entry is present. This number will be in the format of 'V1840225 24A/1840', where the year is 1840, the volume number is 24A and the entry number is 225. However, please refer to the notes that accompany the ARK as there is quite a lot of mistakes in the filming of these records. Regards...Rex Toomey Port Macquarie NSW