Hello Deb, Of course you are correct - it was Eliza who married Wm. Belton - Lydia and Wm Bramble snr. were her parents, and Jane was her sister. Wm. Bramble was arrested a number of times in regard to cattle duffing and other offences, the last record I have is that he was sent to Sydney for trial, but I couldn't find whether he actually was gaoled. It is quite a while since I read through my files, so am a bit vague on details - :-) I have the record of his trial which I can send to you - he stole goods to the value of 80 guineas which resulted in his 14 year sentence, he was only a youngster, a hard start to life for a lad. He did put his brain to good use in obtaining several packages of land and ran cattle on a huge run between Port Stephens and the Myall lakes. When the Robertson Land Act was introduced in about 1872, he used his sons as proxy owners to meet the regulations. He fenced off a narrow neck of land between Smiths and another lake, effectively enclosing his land by water, using the ocean and lakes as boundaries.. I am sorry that I don't have a photo of Jane among my files after all. If you send me names of interest to you, I will check for them. Cheers Marje > > Thankyou for taking the time to look for a photo for me. Much > appreciated. > > I'm pretty certain it wasn't my William BUCKMAN walking home with the 2nd > William BRAMBLE - he was the son in law of William BRAMBLE 1804-1887 & as > far as I know he was in Nambucca where he lived. William BRAMBLE > 1840-1892 > had a daughter Alice who married Edward "Ted" BUCKMAN. I was assuming he > was the BUCKMAN In-Law that was mentioned in the article I read (as he is > the only Buckman to marry any of this particular William Bramble's > daughters > that I know of so far in my research & they were 'of Tamboy' as stated in > article). > > Re William Bramble Snr, I did read (back in 2004 on > http://www.jenwilletts.com/eraring.htm ) that he was a renowned cattle > thief...... so he was never caught/punished?... pity he didn't put his > crafty thinking to some good purpose :o). I think "the old curmudgeon" is > a > great nickname. I've always felt a little sad knowing that he was really > just a kid when he first found trouble though. Stealing food... must've > been hungry. > > In your reply to Marg you said you were descended from Lydia who married > William BELTON. I thought Lydia married James PALMER & Eliza was the > daughter to marry William BELTON (according to marr reg'ns & also Vicki > Hails work > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hails/thesis.htm) ? Or > is > that not the William BELTON you are talking about? > > Thanks again, > Deb. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marjedawn_1" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 5:24 PM > Subject: Re: [HV] William BRAMBLE 1804-1887 (was: New NLA site) > > >> Hi Deb, >> >> Thank you for your interest in the Bramble saga. >> >> I have some photos of the family so will check for your Jane Elizabeth. >> Apparently she married Wm Buckman in 1874. >> According to the news item it was her husband who was walking home with >> her >> father, Wm Bramble. . >> >> Wm Bramble Snr was a convict per Mary II,1822, who served out his >> sentence >> of 14 years plus an extra 2 years for assault committed soon after >> arrival. >> Reputed to have a rather bad temper and his penchant for collecting other >> people's, albeit unbranded, cattle has earned him the title of "the old >> curmudgeon" from MargM and myself as we researched his movements. >> Despite his several appearances in court rooms I have not found that he >> actually served a sentence for his cattle duffing. >> >> If you would like to exchange notes, please contact me offline. >> >> Cheers >> Marje >> Port Macquarie. >> > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message