Thanks Ken, That explains the curious "Wedsworth" record. Cheers, John (Sydney) On Thu Mar 24 20:16 , Kenneth EDWARDS sent: Hi all. In 1870, Fred's brother Joshua also named his child Frederick Wordsworth (Wedsworth !).. its also interesting to note that some of the other children had names of uncles and grandparents....eg.. William Thompson in 1870, Handley T in 1862 and Sophia J.E.A in 1875.I would be interested to see the birth certificates for Marina E (1861) and Frederick W (1868).. just to satisfy my curiosity about the fathers middle name.Even if it was proven that his name was Wordsworth, it would only be one of a number of claims that are in dispute... was the person who died in 1867 Mary Ann BUGG, or was it, as the papers claim, his Mistress Louisa MASON ?. strong evidence suggests that Mary went on to die as Mrs BURROWS in 1905 ! Ken.