Hi list Hoping to find some other researchers of FREEMAN who were in Patricks Plains And Maitland area in the 1850's up who might be able to help with an anomaly With this family. I have a friend Tracy who is descended from this family and has a lot of Info from family, but on closer inspection of bdm site, ancestry etc I see Something that doesn't seem to add up right. My friend Tracy's g/father was a Francis Stephen Robert Freeman b. 1905 Lochinvar to Andrew E Freeman and wife Frances M Cooper who m. 1884 West Maitland They have Andrew E's father as George E and that this George E married a Margaret McManus 1862 Patricks Plains who had a 12 kids in Patricks Plains (but no Andrew E). Looking at bdms there is 2 Andrew E's listed both in 1856, 1 to George & Mary & 1 to George & Elizabeth in Maitland. I can find a death of 1 in 1918 Morpeth to George & Mary and this Andrew is given in Tracy's info as being Frances's husband. Frances is listed on 1930 electoral in Morpeth then in West Maitland after This with no sign of her husband. I haven't come across any definite deaths for the George & Margaret above Yet but are not listed on electoral rolls and no definites on the 1891 & 1901 NSW census on ancestry. Searching Google has given me some sites of FREEMANS from Patricks Plains For George & Mary nee Burns who have a Andrew but nothing has been traced on Him. It shows this couple dying in Patrick's Plains long after George & Margaret married. I did notice that both George's were having kids in Patricks Plains at roughly same time so proves there were 2 George's in the Area at same time. So now I need to know how Tracy's family know that Andrew's father George is Linked to Margaret McManus. I think someone has mixed the two families Together and not really researched properly. I am trying to get Tracy to Purchase some certificates to help work it out. In the meantime if any other Freeman researchers of Patricks Plains can shed Some light on the 2 George's would be a great help. I do know that Mary's George descends from the Samuel Freeman etc. I do notice that both George's use the name Emanuel with their descendants So wonder if they are both related in some way. Regards Heather Macdonald

Dear Heather, Just as a warning that everything, absolutely everything has to be checked. Today at the Penrith FHS Fair I worked with a couple who were married in England. They have viewed the records recording their marriage nearly 50 years ago and the town name and district are quite clearly written on them. On Ancestry the details are entirely different, and so are the marriage details of a few friends who married around the same time. Obviously the transcription is wrong, and was not double checked. While it may be corrected after this was drawn to the attention of Ancestry, it is a warning that everything is not exactly correct. Someone not knowing the exact details would record the wrong information as shown as being "gospel", but it is wrong. Have you tried the TROVE website for a Death or Obituary in the Maitland Mercury, or the Gow index of the same paper, along with many other sources? An Obituary just may mention the parents and wife to help identify which one you need. Sincerely, Bill > > Hoping to find some other researchers of FREEMAN who were in Patricks > Plains > > And Maitland area in the 1850's up who might be able to help with an > anomaly > > With this family. > > I have a friend Tracy who is descended from this family and has a lot of > Info from family, but on closer inspection of bdm site, ancestry etc I see > Something that doesn't seem to add up right. >

Hello Heather, Have you been able to sight 'The Singleton Pioneer Register' ?. It has 4 Freeman listed= William; Robert; Charles and George. If you cannot access this book, let me know as I can send detail. HTH. Bennie.

Hello Heather, The following is extracted from the Singleton Pioneer Register, which was published about 1990. FREEMAN. GEORGE. A wheelwright by trade- he m. 22/3/1841 @ Whittingham [near Singleton]- St. Andrews, to Mary Ann Burns, [Smith], who was b. 9/10/1821 to Thomas Burns & Elizaberth Sandall, or Tyrell/Turrell. He d. 7/7/1891. He lived at Patricks Plains and Lochinvar. It is very unusual that his date/place of birth is not shown, nor the names of the parents. ISSUE. George. b. 1/1/1839; Thomas. b. 1842; John b. 1844; William. b. 1848; Andrew. b. 1850; James. b. 1852; Annie. b. 1853; Elizabeth. b. 1855; Mary. b. 1859; Eliza. b. 1861; & Walter. b. 1868. [ Mary's first husband was a Pallett/Palate and her second was a John Crane--17/2/1890. [ I guess this is the date of marriage] Mary Ann Burns' father died in 1824, and she was brought up as SMITH by her mother and her second husband, John Smith. Also have listing for William Freeman. b. 1811/1812 at Richmond--s/o Samuel; Robert Freeman, b. 20/9/1836 at Patricks Plains, and Charles Arthur b. 20/3/1867 at Singleton. The data for Charles, Robert & William was entered by Mrs. D. Freeman, 57 Elwers Rd., Rosebud. Vic. 3939. The data for George came from S&L Bennett, 9A Linden Ave, Linden. NSW. 2778. I have no idea if these addresses are still current. The Singleton Family History Society also holds some data relating to George Freeman. Finally, I have noticed that the Registrar General used two spellings for Patricks Plain-- or Patrick Plains. You need to check both, however the latest BDM records on line seem to have solved the problem by not asking the question. I trust that you get something useful from this diatribe. Bennie. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heather Macdonald" <heather_ann_mac@yahoo.com.au> To: <aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2011 4:41 PM Subject: [HV] George Freeman of Singleton/Maitland > Hi list > > Hoping to find some other researchers of FREEMAN who were in Patricks > Plains > > And Maitland area in the 1850's up who might be able to help with an > anomaly > > With this family. > > I have a friend Tracy who is descended from this family and has a lot of > Info from family, but on closer inspection of bdm site, ancestry etc I see > Something that doesn't seem to add up right. > > My friend Tracy's g/father was a Francis Stephen Robert Freeman b. 1905 > Lochinvar to > Andrew E Freeman and wife Frances M Cooper who m. 1884 West Maitland > > They have Andrew E's father as George E and that this George E married a > Margaret McManus 1862 Patricks Plains who had a 12 kids in Patricks Plains > (but no Andrew E). > > Looking at bdms there is 2 Andrew E's listed both in 1856, 1 to George & > Mary & 1 to George & Elizabeth in Maitland. I can find a death of 1 in > 1918 > Morpeth to George & Mary and this Andrew is given in Tracy's info as being > Frances's husband. > > Frances is listed on 1930 electoral in Morpeth then in West Maitland after > This with no sign of her husband. > > I haven't come across any definite deaths for the George & Margaret above > Yet but are not listed on electoral rolls and no definites on the 1891 & > 1901 NSW census on ancestry. > > Searching Google has given me some sites of FREEMANS from Patricks Plains > For George & Mary nee Burns who have a Andrew but nothing has been traced > on > > Him. It shows this couple dying in Patrick's Plains long after George & > Margaret married. I did notice that both George's were having kids in > Patricks Plains at roughly same time so proves there were 2 George's in > the > Area at same time. > > So now I need to know how Tracy's family know that Andrew's father George > is > > Linked to Margaret McManus. I think someone has mixed the two families > Together and not really researched properly. I am trying to get Tracy to > Purchase some certificates to help work it out. > > In the meantime if any other Freeman researchers of Patricks Plains can > shed > > Some light on the 2 George's would be a great help. I do know that Mary's > George descends from the Samuel Freeman etc. > > I do notice that both George's use the name Emanuel with their descendants > So wonder if they are both related in some way. > > Regards > Heather Macdonald > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message