Hello Jenelle, In contrast to the version that they went to the Culgoa after breakout from Cockatoo Island (which is with the URL sent here recently re the BDM article that contains photo of the Thunderbolt's death certificate) there's accounts of Fred or Mrs Thunderbolt, Mary Ann Bugg, which don't have them going to the Culgoa at all - Far from going direct to Bourke thence on up the Culgoa one says "On one occasion they even rode as far west as Bourke. During this time, Ward and Mary Ann Bugg managed to have four children" - as if they only got to Bourke later on? But if you check online BDM you'll find "Thuderbolts" around Angledool. I'm certainly not sure what it all means. Also there was supposedly a child registered of the`very same name ("Frederick Wordsworth Ward") .. one of their children ["she had a fourth child not long before her death, as a son Frederick Wordsworth Ward was registered in the 'Tamworth Circuit' after her death in early 1868 to Frederick & Mary Ann Ward. This birth may have contributed to her death"], but if so where is that in the online BDM records. Seems very puzzling stuff one way or another? Cheers, John ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On Thu Mar 24 16:40 , 'Jenelle Mccarrick' sent: Some of my ancestors were around that area,Angledool... PAGE, COLLINS, COVENEY.. Jenelle. -----Original Message----- From: [1]aus-nsw-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com [[2]aus-nsw-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com','','','')">[3]aus-nsw-hunt er-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Sent: Thursday, 24 March 2011 5:52 PM To: [4]aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HV] Thunderbolts middle name Hi Richard, Yes I would be interested in any/all of that too. As I think I sent to the list ... (?).... Fred Ward is a non-exist on BDM. But try searching for Thunderbolt surname. You'll find they exist. They lived and died at Angledool area .. north of Narran Lake, Culgoa River area, back of Bourke. So I was wondering what does all that mean. I just got sent some great detail for this area, by a list member. Cheers, John ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ At 09:51 PM 23/03/2011 -0700, you wrote: >Hello > >Not sure if this message has been posted as I had a failure notice. > >On the subject of rewriting history, I've been looking for something I read, I >think it was by Errol Lea-Scarlett, arguing that the 1870 destruction of convict >records was due to the hated stain and the desire of a prosperous new middle >class to erase our convict origins. Views of Thunderbolt's career could be seen >in the same way, in the sense that if he escaped and it was covered up >by police history has been rewritten to suit a prevailing mindset. This has >been the thesis of recent books on the subject. And if so then just maybe the >truth could be sought out.. > >Regards > >Richard > > > > > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [5]AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [6]AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - [7]www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1498/3525 - Release Date: 03/23/11 Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [8]AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ) References 1. javascript:top.opencompose('aus-nsw-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com','','','') 2. javascript:top.opencompose('<a href= 3. javascript:top.opencompose('aus-nsw-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com','','','') 4. javascript:top.opencompose('aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com','','','') 5. javascript:top.opencompose('AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com','','','') 6. javascript:top.opencompose('AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com','','','') 7. file://localhost/tmp/parse.pl?redirect=http://www.avg.com 8. javascript:top.opencompose('AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com','','','')

John, Good Morning, If you go back to the early days of family history being recorded from the old Govt. and Church Records in New South Wales, a lot of this work was done by inmates of the Gaols in Sydney (and maybe elsewhere). It is very probable a lot of those people were not as well educated as they could have been, and a lot didn't give a hoot whether they recorded them properly or not, so the result was that a lot of mistakes were on those early micro-fiche, and that info was eventually put onto the internet. I started working on my family trees almost 40 years ago, and to my knowledge some of this information has not been revised. It is quite possible that birth, marriage and death registrations from country areas never got to the State Government Registrar - careless handling, didn't care if it got there or not, washed away crossing a fast flowing creek, burnt in a bush fire, used to light a camp fire on which to boil the billy, held up by Bush Rangers - you can probably think up any number of reasons why it is not in the official records - remember, a lot of people were not educated very well, if indeed they had any education at all. Aren't we lucky we have as much info as we do. The only photograph I have of my paternal grandfather is a "mug shot" taken in Goulburn Gaol in the very early 1900s. This Gaol was the first in NSW where inmates were photographed, and my grandfather was staying there for a three year holiday because he and two brothers kept gold dust and tiny nuggets in their socks after a day's work in the gold mines on the NSW tablelands. I have some info on his trial, and he pleaded with the Judge to let his two younger brothers go free, and he "took the rap" for all of them. The Judge agreed and off he went to Goulburn, and my grandmother, my father and his two sisters (all very young) lived with family around the Blayney area during that time. When my grandfather completed his sentence, that same Judge got him job with the Water Board in Sydney because of his experience with explosives, and my grandfather worked there until his retirement some 30 odd years later. I can still see in my mind, my grandfather standing in our back garden in Willoughby talking to my father in the early 1940s, and I was only three when he died in 1942 - he used to bring me an ice cream in a little cardboard bucket, which was a real treat in the days of World War ll. I hope you find as much as possible on your family, even if it does not show up in public records. happy hunting. Liz. On 24/03/2011 8:00 PM, john.mail@ozemail.com.au wrote: > Hello Jenelle, > In contrast to the version that they went to the Culgoa after breakout from > Cockatoo Island (which is with the URL sent here recently re the BDM article > that contains photo of the Thunderbolt's death certificate) there's accounts > of Fred or Mrs Thunderbolt, Mary Ann Bugg, which don't have them going to > the Culgoa at all - Far from going direct to Bourke thence on up the Culgoa > one says "On one occasion they even rode as far west as Bourke. During this > time, Ward and Mary Ann Bugg managed to have four children" - as if they > only got to Bourke later on? > But if you check online BDM you'll find "Thuderbolts" around Angledool. > I'm certainly not sure what it all means. > Also there was supposedly a child registered of the`very same name > ("Frederick Wordsworth Ward") .. one of their children ["she had a fourth > child not long before her death, as a son Frederick Wordsworth Ward was > registered in the 'Tamworth Circuit' after her death in early 1868 to > Frederick& Mary Ann Ward. This birth may have contributed to her death"], > but if so where is that in the online BDM records. > Seems very puzzling stuff one way or another? > Cheers, > John > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > On Thu Mar 24 16:40 , 'Jenelle Mccarrick' sent: > > Some of my ancestors were around that area,Angledool... PAGE, COLLINS, > COVENEY.. > Jenelle. > -----Original Message----- > From: [1]aus-nsw-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com > [[2]aus-nsw-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com','','','')">[3]aus-nsw-hunt > er-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John > Sent: Thursday, 24 March 2011 5:52 PM > To: [4]aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [HV] Thunderbolts middle name > Hi Richard, > Yes I would be interested in any/all of that too. > As I think I sent to the list ... (?).... Fred Ward is a non-exist on BDM. > But try searching for Thunderbolt surname. > You'll find they exist. > They lived and died at Angledool area .. north of Narran Lake, Culgoa > River > area, back of Bourke. > So I was wondering what does all that mean. > I just got sent some great detail for this area, by a list member. > Cheers, > John > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > At 09:51 PM 23/03/2011 -0700, you wrote: > >Hello > > > >Not sure if this message has been posted as I had a failure notice. > > > >On the subject of rewriting history, I've been looking for something I > read, I > >think it was by Errol Lea-Scarlett, arguing that the 1870 destruction of > convict > >records was due to the hated stain and the desire of a prosperous new > middle > >class to erase our convict origins. Views of Thunderbolt's career could > be seen > >in the same way, in the sense that if he escaped and it was covered up > >by police history has been rewritten to suit a prevailing mindset. 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