PS: Re Frederick Wordsworth Ward Jr born somewhere around Tamworth and registered after Mary Ann's death ... I first searched to 1870 and failed to find it. I then increased search range to 1890 ... and still failed to find it. (Although there is a curious "Frederick Wedsworth Ward" birth registered: ...) """"" 12476/1870 WARD FREDERICK WEDSWORTH JOSHUA M SARAH MAITLAND """"" However, if instead you just search ALL Frederick Ward births .... over entire search span, it does pop up then" """" V18681400 161/1868 WARD FREDERICK W FREDERICK W MARY A """" That's apparently it ... Frederick Wordsworth Ward, born to Mary Ann Bugg. Yet search for all Ward births in year 1868 and you will not find it !!! Why is that? There seems to be some funny things about the system? Does that registration say who the informant was ... etc. Maybe the most recent author has considered all these things. Cheers, John in was registered in the 'Tamworth Circuit' after her death in early 1868 On Thu Mar 24 17:00 , 'john.mail@ozemail.com.au' sent: Hello Jenelle, In contrast to the version that they went to the Culgoa after breakout from Cockatoo Island (which is with the URL sent here recently re the BDM article that contains photo of the Thunderbolt's death certificate) there's accounts of Fred or Mrs Thunderbolt, Mary Ann Bugg, which don't have them going to the Culgoa at all - Far from going direct to Bourke thence on up the Culgoa one says "On one occasion they even rode as far west as Bourke. During this time, Ward and Mary Ann Bugg managed to have four children" - as if they only got to Bourke later on? But if you check online BDM you'll find "Thuderbolts" around Angledool. I'm certainly not sure what it all means. Also there was supposedly a child registered of the`very same name ("Frederick Wordsworth Ward") .. one of their children ["she had a fourth child not long before her death, as a son Frederick Wordsworth Ward was registered in the 'Tamworth Circuit' after her death in early 1868 to Frederick & Mary Ann Ward. This birth may have contributed to her death"], but if so where is that in the online BDM records. Seems very puzzling stuff one way or another? Cheers, John ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On Thu Mar 24 16:40 , 'Jenelle Mccarrick' sent: Some of my ancestors were around that area,Angledool... PAGE, COLLINS, COVENEY.. Jenelle. -----Original Message----- From: [1][1]aus-nsw-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com [[2][2]aus-nsw-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com','','','')">[3]aus-nsw-h unt [3]er-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Sent: Thursday, 24 March 2011 5:52 PM To: [4][4]aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HV] Thunderbolts middle name Hi Richard, Yes I would be interested in any/all of that too. As I think I sent to the list ... (?).... Fred Ward is a non-exist on BDM. But try searching for Thunderbolt surname. You'll find they exist. They lived and died at Angledool area .. north of Narran Lake, Culgoa River area, back of Bourke. So I was wondering what does all that mean. I just got sent some great detail for this area, by a list member. Cheers, John ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ At 09:51 PM 23/03/2011 -0700, you wrote: >Hello > >Not sure if this message has been posted as I had a failure notice. > >On the subject of rewriting history, I've been looking for something I read, I >think it was by Errol Lea-Scarlett, arguing that the 1870 destruction of convict >records was due to the hated stain and the desire of a prosperous new middle >class to erase our convict origins. Views of Thunderbolt's career could be seen >in the same way, in the sense that if he escaped and it was covered up >by police history has been rewritten to suit a prevailing mindset. This has >been the thesis of recent books on the subject. And if so then just maybe the >truth could be sought out.. > >Regards > >Richard > > > > > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! References 1. javascript:top.opencompose('aus-nsw-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com','','','') 2. javascript:top.opencompose('aus-nsw-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com','','','') 3. javascript:top.opencompose('er-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com','','','') 4. javascript:top.opencompose('aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com','','','')

Hi John and listers I just checked the old Pioneer series of CDs (limiting my search to 1868) for comparison with the online version and got exactly the same info plus denomination Wesleyan Methodist and Registration Year 1868, Registration No. 0. Judy > > However, if instead you just search ALL Frederick Ward births .... > over > entire search span, it does pop up then" > """" > > V18681400 161/1868 WARD FREDERICK W FREDERICK W MARY A > > """" > That's apparently it ... Frederick Wordsworth Ward, born to Mary Ann > Bugg. > Yet search for all Ward births in year 1868 and you will not find it !!! > Why is that? There seems to be some funny things about the system? > Does that registration say who the informant was ... etc. > Maybe the most recent author has considered all these things. > Cheers, > John >>

Hi all. In 1870, Fred's brother Joshua also named his child Frederick Wordsworth (Wedsworth !).. its also interesting to note that some of the other children had names of uncles and grandparents....eg.. William Thompson in 1870, Handley T in 1862 and Sophia J.E.A in 1875.I would be interested to see the birth certificates for Marina E (1861) and Frederick W (1868).. just to satisfy my curiosity about the fathers middle name.Even if it was proven that his name was Wordsworth, it would only be one of a number of claims that are in dispute... was the person who died in 1867 Mary Ann BUGG, or was it, as the papers claim, his Mistress Louisa MASON ?. strong evidence suggests that Mary went on to die as Mrs BURROWS in 1905 ! Ken.