Hi I am trying to ascertain the actual dates of birth of several of the children of Joseph and Bridget Walmsley. I am aware of the actual birth dates of Ellen, Alice and Joseph, but not of Robert circa 1856, Mary circa 1860, Frederick circa 186,1 William circa 1865, Lavinia circa 1867 and Constance circa 1871. They were all born in Newcastle. I would appreciate any assistance in obtaining actual birth dates. regards John Bird

Hello Hazel The letter you mention sounds very interesting.  I'm sure both Bruce and myself would be keen to see it.  I'll send you my contact details if you like.   What do you mean when you say that you gave the book to a bushranger impersonator? Its always interesting to learn about Captain Thunderbolt, there are so many stories and finding the truth through death certificates would go some of the way toward clearing up the mystery.  Sorry if this post comes through with question marks everywhere, I don't know how to stop it happening. Regards Richard  

Dear Heather, Just as a warning that everything, absolutely everything has to be checked. Today at the Penrith FHS Fair I worked with a couple who were married in England. They have viewed the records recording their marriage nearly 50 years ago and the town name and district are quite clearly written on them. On Ancestry the details are entirely different, and so are the marriage details of a few friends who married around the same time. Obviously the transcription is wrong, and was not double checked. While it may be corrected after this was drawn to the attention of Ancestry, it is a warning that everything is not exactly correct. Someone not knowing the exact details would record the wrong information as shown as being "gospel", but it is wrong. Have you tried the TROVE website for a Death or Obituary in the Maitland Mercury, or the Gow index of the same paper, along with many other sources? An Obituary just may mention the parents and wife to help identify which one you need. Sincerely, Bill > > Hoping to find some other researchers of FREEMAN who were in Patricks > Plains > > And Maitland area in the 1850's up who might be able to help with an > anomaly > > With this family. > > I have a friend Tracy who is descended from this family and has a lot of > Info from family, but on closer inspection of bdm site, ancestry etc I see > Something that doesn't seem to add up right. >

Hello to Richard & Bruce I have only done very limited research into Thunderbolt as my stepfather Arthur Comber was interested in the man. Arthur's uncle was Thomas Mason who was one of Thunderbolts apprentices his father was Thomas Edward Comber who married Theresa Tolly/Tolley on 24 Feb 1909. Theresa sister Charlotte Tolly/Tolley married 1889 both marriages took place in the Armidale area. Arthur always told me that Thunderbolt escaped to England though I have never looked into it. I will have to check but about 15 years back just prior to his death Arthur gave me a letter written by Thomas Mason with some details in it and a book. The book I gave to a bushranger impersonator the letter is still here amongst my files I will have a look and if I can locate it (can't promise) I would be only to happy to give it to one of you. Other family names that connect to Mason are: COMBER, TOLLY, NORTHEY, GEARY. The only other item I can remember in the latter was a lady named Mrs Blanch who owned a public house at Uralla. You most probably know all the above I have sent this info so you will know I did check some of the info Arthur gave me handed down from his mother and father. Warm Regards Hazel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard" <gerard_drew@yahoo.com.au> To: <AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2011 2:47 PM Subject: [HV] Captain Thunderbolt > Hello > > Thanks for your response Bruce. I'll go through the list when I have time. > I > guess tracking down Mulheron certificates would be a good way to learn > more > about Thunderbolt, case of getting hold of them. Something else to look > into... I read the recent book about Thunderbolt, fascinating thesis that > he > escaped to live in America, but I wonder if it can really be proven? > > > Regards > > Richard > > > > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi list Hoping to find some other researchers of FREEMAN who were in Patricks Plains And Maitland area in the 1850's up who might be able to help with an anomaly With this family. I have a friend Tracy who is descended from this family and has a lot of Info from family, but on closer inspection of bdm site, ancestry etc I see Something that doesn't seem to add up right. My friend Tracy's g/father was a Francis Stephen Robert Freeman b. 1905 Lochinvar to Andrew E Freeman and wife Frances M Cooper who m. 1884 West Maitland They have Andrew E's father as George E and that this George E married a Margaret McManus 1862 Patricks Plains who had a 12 kids in Patricks Plains (but no Andrew E). Looking at bdms there is 2 Andrew E's listed both in 1856, 1 to George & Mary & 1 to George & Elizabeth in Maitland. I can find a death of 1 in 1918 Morpeth to George & Mary and this Andrew is given in Tracy's info as being Frances's husband. Frances is listed on 1930 electoral in Morpeth then in West Maitland after This with no sign of her husband. I haven't come across any definite deaths for the George & Margaret above Yet but are not listed on electoral rolls and no definites on the 1891 & 1901 NSW census on ancestry. Searching Google has given me some sites of FREEMANS from Patricks Plains For George & Mary nee Burns who have a Andrew but nothing has been traced on Him. It shows this couple dying in Patrick's Plains long after George & Margaret married. I did notice that both George's were having kids in Patricks Plains at roughly same time so proves there were 2 George's in the Area at same time. So now I need to know how Tracy's family know that Andrew's father George is Linked to Margaret McManus. I think someone has mixed the two families Together and not really researched properly. I am trying to get Tracy to Purchase some certificates to help work it out. In the meantime if any other Freeman researchers of Patricks Plains can shed Some light on the 2 George's would be a great help. I do know that Mary's George descends from the Samuel Freeman etc. I do notice that both George's use the name Emanuel with their descendants So wonder if they are both related in some way. Regards Heather Macdonald

Hello Thanks for your response Bruce.  I'll go through the list when I have time.  I guess tracking down Mulheron certificates would be a good way to learn more about Thunderbolt, case of getting hold of them.  Something else to look into...  I read the recent book about Thunderbolt, fascinating thesis that he escaped to live in America, but I wonder if it can really be proven?   Regards Richard  

Thanks, Jenelle Lots of reading to do there! I've bookmarked the site and will return later to do more research. Bruce Fairhall On 12/03/2011 5:19 PM, Jenelle Mccarrick wrote: > http://users.tpg.com.au/users/barrymor/thunderbolt.html> > Guess you have read this site and asked him some questions.. > Jenelle.

No worries, I just googled bits and pieces of information that was posted, there's a lot there... Jenelle. -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Fairhall Sent: Saturday, 12 March 2011 4:33 PM To: aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HV] Captain Thunderbolt Thanks, Jenelle Lots of reading to do there! I've bookmarked the site and will return later to do more research. Bruce Fairhall On 12/03/2011 5:19 PM, Jenelle Mccarrick wrote: > http://users.tpg.com.au/users/barrymor/thunderbolt.html> > Guess you have read this site and asked him some questions.. > Jenelle. Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1498/3501 - Release Date: 03/11/11

G'day Richard No time to give you a full run-down at present, but try starting your exploration at: http://www.fairhall.id.au/families/myline/p684.htm#i17085 I know the link was tenuous and certainly not proved, but rated as "very likely". Until proven otherwise, I'll leave Thunderbolt on my tree! Let me know if you discover more, please, or if you want me to uncover the Mulheron link for you. Bruce Fairhall*EMAIL:* bruce@fairhall.id.au *HOME PAGE:* www.fairhall.id.au *MAIL:* P.O. Box 333, North Richmond NSW 2754 Australia Main genealogy interest: FAIRHALL (world-wide) Also researching: Fairall, Fairehall, Fairhale and Fayerhall, and the families who are associated with them by marriage On 12/03/2011 3:18 PM, Richard wrote: > Hello > > Last year I posted a query asking whether anyone knew of a Mulheron connection to > the family of Fred Ward, or bushranger Captain Thunderbolt? The post went on to > say that my aunt married Dennis Tearle Mulheron and my father told me of this > connection and said that the family was Irish Catholic. Bruce Fairhall answered my question in a private mail, explaining that there was > a very distant connection. However, I have forgotten the details and am unable > to find this mail. I wonder if Bruce, if he is still a member of the list, > would be able to repeat the details of just how Mulheron and Ward are related?

http://users.tpg.com.au/users/barrymor/thunderbolt.html Guess you have read this site and asked him some questions.. Jenelle.

Hi Richard, I don't know but I was once trying to find out where exactly is Fred Ward most likely to have been born, Freeman's Reach or somewhere else in the Windsor area. Cheers, John On Sat Mar 12 12:18 , Richard sent: Hello Last year I posted a query asking whether anyone knewof a Mulheron connection to the family of Fred Ward, or bushranger Captain Thunderbolt? The post went on to say that my aunt married Dennis Tearle Mulheron and my father told me of this connection and said that the family was Irish Catholic. Bruce Fairhall answered my question in a private mail, explaining that there was a very distant connection. However, I have forgotten the details and am unable to find this mail. I wonder if Bruce, if he is still a member of the list, would be able to repeat the details of just how Mulheron and Ward are related? Thanks for your help again, much appreciated. Richard Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [1]AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ) References 1. javascript:top.opencompose('AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com','','','')

Hello   Last year I posted a query asking whether anyone knewof a Mulheron connection to the family of Fred Ward, or bushranger Captain Thunderbolt? The post went on to say that my aunt married Dennis Tearle Mulheron and my father told me of this connection and said that the family was Irish Catholic.  Bruce Fairhall answered my question in a private mail, explaining that there was a very distant connection.  However, I have forgotten the details and am unable to find this mail.  I wonder if Bruce, if he is still a member of the list, would be able to repeat the details of just how Mulheron and Ward are related? Thanks for your help again, much appreciated. Richard   

Hi Tim   Do you know Julia's mother's name? If you do, I suggest you do a search for her under her mother's maiden name - she may have been born prior to her mother marrying a Ryan and she took the Ryan surname. I have this occurring in my family tree, which is also Ryan based. In my case Elizabeth Ryan gave birth to a daughter then married James Smails and the daughter took the Smails surname and named James as her father when she married even though her birth was registered under the name of Ryan with no father named.   I am also looking for a birth for one of Elizabeth's sisters. Her name is Honora and she only became known to me via her parent's death certificates as she was named as a child of their marriage but todate I have been able to find a birth registration for her. I have come to the conclusion Honora is the name she was known to the family as but may not necessarily be her christian name or the name her birth was registered under. These Ryan's are a difficult bunch to piece together.   Good luck.   Roseanne  

Julia Martha Mary Ann Ryan married Thomas William Smith on 18 July 1893 in Yass. Various NSW BDM certificates I have provide bits of information. There is one reference to her father being Patrick Ryan. Her ages and dates suggest she was born sometime between 1866 and 1871 - most likely 1866-1867. There are several references to her being born in Denman NSW. There was an Ann Ryan born 1869 in Muswellbrook but she died the same year. There was a Martha Ryan who had lots of kids in Muswellbrook around that time but they all died in 1870 and none had this person's name. Something must be wrong. Either ... She was lying about her age She was not born in Denman (or anywhere within cooee of Yass) Her father's name was not Patrick In any case I can't find anyone that fits the bill on the NSW BDM index. Is that normal?? I think she must have been born overseas. But it even says Denman, Hunter River on one of the certs. I'm out of ideas ? I've searched Trove as well but no luck there either. I do know of one other of my ancestors who's birth was not registered - maybe this is another such case.?? Regards Tim Jones

St Patricks Plains was the old name for Singleton . .· ´¨¨)) -:¦:- ¸.·´ .·´¨¨)) ((¸¸.·´ ..·´ -:¦:- -:¦:- ((¸¸.·´*.` Jenny McCarthy JP Brightwaters on beautiful Lake Macquarie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter.W.Coleman" <pwcoleman@bigpond.com> To: <AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 9:17 PM Subject: [HV] St Patrick's is in the Maitland area? Hi, My name is Peter and I'm new to the list; could someone please tell me where St Patrick's is in the Maitland area? As I am researching my GGG/grandfather who according to one of his children birth certificate's was listed as a farmer living in St Patrick's in 1856, Also would there be old maps of this place. Thanks Peter Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, My name is Peter and I'm new to the list; could someone please tell me where St Patrick's is in the Maitland area? As I am researching my GGG/grandfather who according to one of his children birth certificate's was listed as a farmer living in St Patrick's in 1856, Also would there be old maps of this place. Thanks Peter

Sorry Denise, I have no info on any member of the Llewellyn family except William Hodges Llewellyn. Good luck with your search. Llew Hodges

Many thanks to those listers who helped in my search for info on William Hodges Llewellyn. Your efforts are much appreciated. Llew Hodges

Hello, I have a Margaret llewellyn who married David Wilson. I do not know any more on them except that their son Thomas Wilson born abt 1853 or 1855 and he died 3rd November 1938, he married an Elizabeth on 29th Oct 1881 Perkins Street,Newcastle,NSW,Australia. Do you know of them?? Denise ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill" <oldboybill@westnet.com.au> To: "maryllew" <mistyridge181@bigpond.com>; <aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2011 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [HV] Llewellyn > Dear Llew, > > The Ryerson Index has only indexed the Newcastle Herald from Jun 1994, and > then there are days missing, months in a couple of years. The index is > updated fairly regularly, > fortnightly, so always worth looking again. > >> > > > > >> I am seeking information on the marriage or death of William Hodges >> LLEWELLYN b. 1897 at Wallsend. On the 1954 NSW census he is listed as an >> ice >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Beresfield Crematorium LLEWELLYN Linda Baden 06/09/1977 34 Hobart Rd New Lambton 77 LOGGIA 12/6 E/153 58488 MargaretB Lake Macquarie NSW Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "maryllew"To: <AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2011 6:47 PM Subject: [HV] Llewellyn >I am seeking information on the marriage or death of William Hodges