Hi Richard, If you check BDM online he doesn't appear to have been a registered birth(?). Even the cold hard facts of the governor general's last Sunday lunch are quickly lost if the guv'mint or someone aren't doing their job. Perhaps they had a budget cut the year Thunderbolt was born and decided only to register two out of every five births at Wilberforce. I'm particularly interested in just how gaps in records came about. Or in any published studies on such. For convict records there's been a few studies, apparently, of how records came to get lost, or wilfully destroyed. But what happened to those studies? Perhaps they got lost too? I suspect it is all very complicated ... if only we knew. Cheers, John On Mon Mar 21 18:27 , Richard sent: Hello Does anyone have certificates of Thunderbolt's family - the BDM certificates? These should reveal the cold hard facts of the family lineage.. Richard Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [1]AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ) References 1. javascript:top.opencompose('AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com','','','')

John   There is this place called 'the big black hole' which is the resting place for many government and other records - I am sure you have heard of it. If someone could find where it is then maybe we would all get our family history brick walls broken down.   --- On Mon, 21/3/11, john.mail@ozemail.com.au <john.mail@ozemail.com.au> wrote: From: john.mail@ozemail.com.au <john.mail@ozemail.com.au> Subject: Re: [HV] Thunderbolts middle name To: aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com Received: Monday, 21 March, 2011, 9:44 PM    Hi Richard,    If  you  check  BDM online he doesn't appear to have been a registered    birth(?).    Even the cold hard facts of the governor general's last Sunday lunch are    quickly lost if the guv'mint or someone aren't doing their job.    Perhaps they had a budget cut the year Thunderbolt was born and decided only    to register two out of every five births at Wilberforce.    I'm particularly interested in just how gaps in records came about.    Or in any published studies on such.    For convict records there's been a few studies, apparently, of how records    came to get lost, or wilfully destroyed.    But what happened to those studies?   Perhaps they got lost too?    I suspect it is all very complicated ... if only we knew.    Cheers,    John    On Mon Mar 21 18:27 , Richard sent:          Hello      Does  anyone  have  certificates  of Thunderbolt's family - the BDM      certificates?      These should reveal the cold hard facts of the family lineage..      Richard      

Hello Does anyone have certificates of Thunderbolt's family - the BDM certificates?   These should reveal the cold hard facts of the family lineage.. Richard

Hi listers, I learnt of Mocavo a few days ago from a newsletter email I receive from Eastman's Online Genealogy. Hopefully Australian content will be available in the future. Already US people are complaining that their websites are not included yet (including pages people have generated from particular genealogy software) so looks like it will be popular, although some at this stage are complaining that Google is still better. Mocavo has a link to Suggest a site if you want pages added. If you are interested in what people are saying, see the following 2 Eastman articles: http://tinyurl.com/5vcwfmn http://tinyurl.com/6g62pqr You can also subscribe to Eastman's daily emails on the above pages - they include informative articles on new things in genealogy including websites, software & gadgets useful for family historians. Although it has international content (incl AUS&NZ) it is US based, but I have found it to be useful in keeping up to date with what is happening in the genealogy world. There is an Australian website with similar up-to-date usefulness but as it has a commercial slant to it as well, I'm not sure I can mention it here. Since starting family history years ago I have subscribed to whatever reputable newsletter emails are relevant to my research eg. SAG (has a web tips section), SRNSW "Now & Then", one starting with G which has to remain nameless here as per Rootsweb rules as it is an Australian genealogy shop, etc. I can't tell you how invaluable they have been in addition to good old Google & family history magazines. I don't always have time to read all of them but I do skim them for new links relevant to me. Whenever new links or developments appear on the Rootsweb lists I belong to, I have usually already received them from one of my newsletters. If you want to keep ahead I encourage you to search for the newsletter subscription links on any reputable websites you use. Of course there is usually Facebook, Twitter & RSS feeds now, but I prefer the good old fashioned email - less of a time waster for me personally. Deb. -----Original Message----- From: Jordan Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 8:46 AM To: aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com Subject: [HV] New search engine Have just learnt of a new search engine whose spider indexes genealogy webs: http://www.mocavo.com/ <snipped>

> From: jmac2005@tpg.com.au > To: aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com > Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 17:25:22 +1000 > Subject: Re: [HV] Thunderbolts middle name > > Ken, > Have you looked at every newspaper site, every certificate, every government > and police gazette, every coroner's inquest, every witness statement, state > library of New South Wales, National Archives, family connections, family > diaries, the bush ranger sites....just sayin.. > Jenelle. Hi Janelle.. I think i get what you are saying.. No i havn't looked at every avenue mentioned !.. but i've been at this for a long time and still i havn't found his full name mentioned by any reputable source.I must also mention that my main interest is in Sarah, her offspring and her connection to him.. Mother or Sister ? Ken

Did you read this, also www.searchwhateveraustralia.com.au Jenelle. -----Original Message----- Subject: Ned Kelly World - Australia's Famous Bushrangers-FREDERICK WARD http://www.nedkellysworld.com.au/bushrangers/ward_f.htm ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1498/3516 - Release Date: 03/19/11

Ken, Have you looked at every newspaper site, every certificate, every government and police gazette, every coroner's inquest, every witness statement, state library of New South Wales, National Archives, family connections, family diaries, the bush ranger sites....just sayin.. Jenelle. -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth EDWARDS Sent: Sunday, 20 March 2011 5:17 PM To: aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com Subject: [HV] Thunderbolts middle name Hi all.. Have been trying to piece together the mess that is the story of Thunderbolt.. After looking at what's available on the net it becomes clear that everyone has their own version of the story, when in fact there can only be one correct version.I just feel its time to stop milking the legend and deal with the cold hard facts. To start things rolling, i thought i would ask the simple question.. Is there an official entry to "Wordsworth" being his middle name ?? Cheers .. Ken. Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1498/3516 - Release Date: 03/19/11

Hi all.. Have been trying to piece together the mess that is the story of Thunderbolt.. After looking at what's available on the net it becomes clear that everyone has their own version of the story, when in fact there can only be one correct version.I just feel its time to stop milking the legend and deal with the cold hard facts. To start things rolling, i thought i would ask the simple question.. Is there an official entry to "Wordsworth" being his middle name ?? Cheers .. Ken.

Have just learnt of a new search engine whose spider indexes genealogy webs: http://www.mocavo.com/ with search tips at their blog: http://blog.mocavo.com/ Their blurb says: "The world’s largest free genealogy search engine, Mocavo.com, provides genealogists access to the best free genealogy content on the web including billions of names, dates and places worldwide. Mocavo.com seeks to index and make searchable all of the world’s free genealogy information. While Mocavo.com discovers new sites every day, some of the existing sites searchable on Mocavo.com include genealogy message boards, family trees, state and local historical societies, the Library of Congress, National Archives, Ellis Island, Find A Grave, the Internet Archive, various U.S. state archives, and many tens of thousands of genealogy sites built by individuals. Similar to other search engines, Mocavo.com honors site owners by linking directly to their content."

The people aat FamilySearch.org are moviing some of their servers to a new location. I am a (non-LDS) volunteer indexer and have been advised, inter alia" "There may be occasional downtime over the next few weeks as we monitor the system and tune it for optimal performance. We appreciate your continued patience during this adjustment period." The new site is at: https://www.familysearch.org/ The "old" is still at: http://www.familysearch.org/eng/ You can join the volunteers at: https://indexing.familysearch.org/newuser/nuhome.jsf?3.7.11 On 19/03/2011, faye lucas <fayelucas@yahoo.com> wrote: > There is a new and old site  .the new one is not working to get to the old > one scroll down and look to the right says something about getting to the > old site,click on there and it should be the same log in as before.But do > not try to use the new site or it freezes you out. > Hope this helps, > Faye > > --- On Fri, 18/3/11, Ian Wright <ianwright2@bigpond.com> wrote: > > > From: Ian Wright <ianwright2@bigpond.com> > Subject: [HV] IGI Website > To: "AUS-NSW-Hunter-Valley-L@rootsweb.com" > <AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY@rootsweb.com> > Received: Friday, 18 March, 2011, 7:25 PM > > > Hello Listers, >                       Is anybody else experiencing connection difficulties > with the Family Search website?? > > Ian Wright > > > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Ian Yes I did yesterday and eventually just gave up. Regards Hazel in Lethbridge Park

Hello Listers, Is anybody else experiencing connection difficulties with the Family Search website?? Ian Wright

There is a new and old site  .the new one is not working to get to the old one scroll down and look to the right says something about getting to the old site,click on there and it should be the same log in as before.But do not try to use the new site or it freezes you out. Hope this helps, Faye --- On Fri, 18/3/11, Ian Wright <ianwright2@bigpond.com> wrote: From: Ian Wright <ianwright2@bigpond.com> Subject: [HV] IGI Website To: "AUS-NSW-Hunter-Valley-L@rootsweb.com" <AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY@rootsweb.com> Received: Friday, 18 March, 2011, 7:25 PM Hello Listers,                       Is anybody else experiencing connection difficulties with the Family Search website?? Ian Wright Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Listers If you find a really helpful site, please let us all know No one has mentioned this ? http://tinyurl.com/4odpy63 Bye MargM Hunter Valley List Admin

In case it is of interest to anyone I have a copy of the death certificate of Frederick Ward alias Thunderbolt. At the 1993 Royal Easter Show the Registrar Generals Dept had a stand and were giving away photocopies of this death certificate as a souvenir. The death took place on 25 May 1870 at Kentucky Ponds, district of Armidale. The columns for parents names and marriage and children were all marked "unknown". If anyone would like further information I'd happy to supply it. Regards Kerrie

----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard" <gerard_drew@yahoo.com.au> To: <AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 8:38 PM Subject: [HV] Captain Thunderbolt Its always interesting to learn about Captain Thunderbolt, there are so many stories and finding the truth through death certificates would go some of the way toward clearing up the mystery. Hi Richard Theres a ref to the Captain in http://thelatestoldnews.wordpress.com/ Bye MargM Hunter Valley List Admin

Heather I have been reading your queries to the list. Margaret McMANUS caught my eye. I didn't think much about it until you mentioned Emanuel. I have Emanuel PINTOUX (1842-1913) m: 1865 Patricks Plains, to Margaret McMANUS (1844-1907) daughter of Bernard and Ann Both Emanuel and Margaret are buried at Hillgrove Long shot I know, but wonder if there is a connection there somewhere. MargaretB Lake Macquarie NSW Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heather Macdonald" To: <aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 9:22 PM Subject: [HV] George freeman > Hi > > After looking at the births etc on bdm site I have come to the conclusion > that my friends' family has somehow confused George snr and George jnr as > the same person . > > I got back to Tracy today and have told her this and that it would be > beneficial to get some certs. I did do searches on trove last night and > this > morning with some surprising news items regarding George and the death of > Margaret nee McManus in 1929 in Sydney , as a widow. > > I also found a item on Andrew E's marriage to Frances...only it says > Andrew > was the youngest son of John in Singleton...my searches on bdm shows no > Andrew's to a John. Was hoping to find a death for Andrew Emanuel on Trove > but nothing yet. >

Hi After looking at the births etc on bdm site I have come to the conclusion that my friends' family has somehow confused George snr and George jnr as the same person . I got back to Tracy today and have told her this and that it would be beneficial to get some certs. I did do searches on trove last night and this morning with some surprising news items regarding George and the death of Margaret nee McManus in 1929 in Sydney , as a widow. I also found a item on Andrew E's marriage to Frances...only it says Andrew was the youngest son of John in Singleton...my searches on bdm shows no Andrew's to a John. Was hoping to find a death for Andrew Emanuel on Trove but nothing yet. Thanks for your reply Heather Macdonald

Hello John, Sorry, I cannot help with your enquiry re the Walmsley family. I have researched the family of James Bird and Sarah Schofield of the Paterson district and wonder if you are connected to this family? 1837 - 1950's + If so I have information to share if of of interest to you. Regards, Marjorie Bird. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Bird" <johnkb13@hotmail.com> To: <aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 11:58 AM Subject: [HV] Walmsley family > > Hi I am trying to ascertain the actual dates of birth of several of the > children of Joseph and Bridget Walmsley. I am aware of the actual birth > dates of Ellen, Alice and Joseph, but not of Robert circa 1856, Mary circa > 1860, Frederick circa 186,1 William circa 1865, Lavinia circa 1867 and > Constance circa 1871. They were all born in Newcastle. > I would appreciate any assistance in obtaining actual birth dates. > regards > > John Bird > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi listers, Seeking information from the family of WILLIAM JOSEPH BRAY ( known in Australia as WILLIAM JOSEPH CHAPMAN born 1858 Co. Cork, Ireland, , who settled in the Newcastle, NSW, area. His father was Joseph BRAY, (not CHAPMAN ), and he had a son COLIN COURT CHAPMAN MBE., and a Grandson COLIN FIRTH CHAPMAN. WJ. also had a daughter named GEORGINA ALICE. My main interest is in JOSEPH BRAY, a soldier with the Royal Engineers, born England c1834. He was the father of WILLIAM JOSEPH and he deserted in Montreal, Canada, and lived and died in Vermont, USA in 1899. I wish to know exactly where in England JOSEPH was born and when, plus his parents names if known. ( He may also have been baptised as WILLIAM JOSEPH. William Joseph had two other families, the first named Chapman (his legal wife) and second name Campbell, ( 1st de-facto ). The Newcastle Chapmans are from his second de-facto wife. Please reply with any info to kcam7375@bigpond.net.au Cheers, Lex. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHAPMAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message