Hi Janice, Don't know about the late 1850s, but according to the Colonization Circular issued by Her Majesty's Colonial Land and Emigration Commissioners in May 1854, which provided info for people leaving Great Britain at that time, ag labourers migrating to NSW could expect, as at 30 Sept 1853: £25 to £30 per annum with rations and lodging, consisting of a dwelling, with a ration of 10 lbs of meat, 10 lbs of flour, 2 lbs of sugar and 4 ozs of tea (or milk in lieu of sugar and tea), per week. Female farm servants received £14 per annum at that date. but note "The wives of farm labourers with families do not receive this amount of money wages, as a sufficient quantity of food is generally allowed for the support of their children, and a corresponding reduction from the money wages is of course made." It varied from state to state, some states indicating different rates for married and single labourers. Let me know if you would like details for the other states. Info from a facsimile edition of the Colonization Circular pub by Macbeth Genealogical Books in 1990. HTH Judy

Good morning Listers, I am hoping SKS can assist me with what waged could have been paid to Agriculture Labourers in the late 1850s. I just need this information for a friend to fill in the story of Irish settlers who arrived in the Colony in the 1850s. Cheers Janice Belrose - Sydney

HI Hazel How interesting! Thank you for this information. To everyone on the Hunter Valley list - have a great Easter and ANZAC Day break. Cheers Carol -----Original Message----- From: Hazel Magann Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 2:30 PM To: aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HV] Land grants Hi Carol I have just re-checked the Colonial Secretary Index to Land Grants and Leases Cumberland and Elsewhere 1792-1865 and the only Swan is William at Bankstown. I checked the Col Sec Papers 1788-1825 and your man is there as having land but he is not listed. Cheers Hazel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Morris" <carol135@tpg.com.au> To: <aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [HV] Land grants > Hi Hazel > > Thank you for this information. William is not a relative but John Swan > was > granted land by Governor Macquarie in Paterson. Hmmm.... > > Regards > > Carol > > -----Original Message----- > From: Hazel Magann > Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 8:00 PM > To: aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [HV] Land grants > > Good evening Carol > Sorry no John Swan in the Col Sec Index there is however a William Swan > who > was granted 100 acres in the Bankstown area. It is register 4 page 77 > location Reel: 2561 7/449. > > Regards > Hazel > > > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Re posted from the Qld mailing list as a story of interest Does any one know of or can find an earlier Golden wedding celebration here ?? Bye MargM List Admin To: <aus-qld@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 7:42 AM Subject: Re: [AUS-QLD] Leonard and Catherine GERHARDT What a delightful story! I am interested in the claim that it's the first golden wedding anniversary in the Australian colonies. I realise that life expectancies back then weren't what they are today. However, I also know from my own family history, many people did survive into old age nonetheless. Even if only 1 person in 100 make it to their mid-70s (a typical age for a golden wedding anniversary), then the chances of a couple surviving that long together would be 1 in 10,000 and the population of Australia was far bigger than that. So I would have thought, statistically, there should have been a lot more golden wedding anniversaries happening. So I did a bit of looking around and it seems this Toowoomba couple was not the first, as the earliest newspaper reference I can find to a golden wedding here in Australia is this one from 1864: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article39131610 "A Golden Wedding.- Lately, at Tanunda, a man and woman named Frichse celebrated the fiftieth anniversary of their wedding-day. They are aged respectively 75 and 72 years, and their little jubilee was enlivened by the presence and gifts of many of their neighbours. The party attended divine service, and the Bev. Dr. Muecke preached an appropriate sermon, after which the day was spent in harmless festivity." So it seems the standard reward for 50 years of married life was a church service followed by "harmless festivity". Given that our Toowoomba couple's celebrations were conducted with a "just appreciation of the Sabbath", one can only assume that golden wedding anniversary celebrations had the potential to be wild affairs if not carefully managed. Interestingly, both stories appears to involve a German couple, and a number of WWW sites do say that silver and golden wedding anniversaries are in fact a German custom. http://marriage.about.com/od/anniversariescelebrations/a/annivhistory.htm This makes me wonder if golden wedding anniversaries might have been happening in the wider community but not celebrated (and hence not reported). In this regard take a look at this 1867 article which mentions the silver wedding of the King and Queen of Denmark (hmm, Lutherans again!) and provides an explanation of the terms "silver wedding" and "golden wedding": http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article13151675 The Princess and Prince will in May visit Paris, and proceed to Denmark to be present at the 25th anniversary of the marriage of their Majesties the King and Queen -- their "Silver Wedding," as it is called. The 50th anniversary of the married life is called the "Golden Wedding". so perhaps the practice of celebrating silver/golden wedding anniversary was not commonplace at the time that it needed to be explained.

Hi Carol I have just re-checked the Colonial Secretary Index to Land Grants and Leases Cumberland and Elsewhere 1792-1865 and the only Swan is William at Bankstown. I checked the Col Sec Papers 1788-1825 and your man is there as having land but he is not listed. Cheers Hazel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Morris" <carol135@tpg.com.au> To: <aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [HV] Land grants > Hi Hazel > > Thank you for this information. William is not a relative but John Swan > was > granted land by Governor Macquarie in Paterson. Hmmm.... > > Regards > > Carol > > -----Original Message----- > From: Hazel Magann > Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 8:00 PM > To: aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [HV] Land grants > > Good evening Carol > Sorry no John Swan in the Col Sec Index there is however a William Swan > who > was granted 100 acres in the Bankstown area. It is register 4 page 77 > location Reel: 2561 7/449. > > Regards > Hazel > > > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Hazel Thank you for this information. William is not a relative but John Swan was granted land by Governor Macquarie in Paterson. Hmmm.... Regards Carol -----Original Message----- From: Hazel Magann Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 8:00 PM To: aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HV] Land grants Good evening Carol Sorry no John Swan in the Col Sec Index there is however a William Swan who was granted 100 acres in the Bankstown area. It is register 4 page 77 location Reel: 2561 7/449. Regards Hazel

Dear Tim, It would appear that the Doctor who was treating this woman, was not in a position to issue a Certificate as to the actual cause of death. It could be as simple as the Doctor was away on holidays. The death was then referred to the Coroner, and Police would have prepared reports. Possibly also a Post Mortem was carried out on the body. When the City Coroner took everything into account he felt that there was no need for a formal Inquest, so dispensed with an Inquest. It is possible that all those reports are filed, and would be held at State Records, however, they are not available in the same manner as all other records are, so you will have to write to the City Coroner at Glebe, and seek approval to view the file. Further information on Inquests can be found in the Help Sheet, Archives in Brief No. 4 which you will find on www.records.nsw.gov.au Sincerely, Bill > Her record says "inquest dispensed with" by "city coroner". > Is this normal just because she was old and at a hospital?? > Or should I look into it further for something sinister ... suggestions > where to start looking?

It was a non suspicious death, so the inquest was dispensed with. All deaths in Nursing Homes are referred to the Coroner and if not suspicious, the inquest is dispensed with . .· ´¨¨)) -:¦:- ¸.·´ .·´¨¨)) ((¸¸.·´ ..·´ -:¦:- -:¦:- ((¸¸.·´*.` Jenny McCarthy JP Brightwaters on beautiful Lake Macquarie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Jones" <tc.jones@bigpond.com> To: <aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 10:11 AM Subject: [HV] "inquest dispensed with" by "city coroner" Hi listers, Her record says "inquest dispensed with" by "city coroner". Is this normal just because she was old and at a hospital?? Or should I look into it further for something sinister ... suggestions where to start looking? Regards Tim Jones 22 Jun 1970 - Death of Irene Veronica Underwood [nee Smith] - age 83 Place of Death : AMON CONVALESCENT HOSPITAL, PETERSHAM, USUAL RESIDENCE ARMON (sic) CONVALESCENT HOSPITAL, PETERSHAM, Cause of Death : CORONARY THROMBOSIS Duration : INQUEST DISPENSED WITH 27 AUG 1970 Medical Attendant : K. SCHIRMER, CITY CORONER Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi listers, Her record says "inquest dispensed with" by "city coroner". Is this normal just because she was old and at a hospital?? Or should I look into it further for something sinister ... suggestions where to start looking? Regards Tim Jones 22 Jun 1970 - Death of Irene Veronica Underwood [nee Smith] - age 83 Place of Death : AMON CONVALESCENT HOSPITAL, PETERSHAM, USUAL RESIDENCE ARMON (sic) CONVALESCENT HOSPITAL, PETERSHAM, Cause of Death : CORONARY THROMBOSIS Duration : INQUEST DISPENSED WITH 27 AUG 1970 Medical Attendant : K. SCHIRMER, CITY CORONER

Good evening Carol Sorry no John Swan in the Col Sec Index there is however a William Swan who was granted 100 acres in the Bankstown area. It is register 4 page 77 location Reel: 2561 7/449. Regards Hazel

HI Hazel Could I be so bold to ask if you could look up my ancestor, John Swan, please? He was in the Paterson area. Thank you very much. Carol -----Original Message----- From: Hazel Magann Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 6:56 AM To: pwcoleman@bigpond.com ; aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HV] Land grants Hi Peter At this immediate time I am transcribling the Col Sec Land Grants, Leases and Purchases. If you send the person's details I will see what I can locate for you. Regards Hazel

Dear Peter, If you go to use the link Marg put in cut the Ihaven't off after the 8. A simple space makes a lot of difference and this may save you some frustration. Sincerely, Bill > http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/guides-and-finding-aids/short-guide-8/short-guide-8Ihaven't > come across any specific list just for Maitland. Depending onwhattime > period the Parish maps data base may help?The Land & Property Info Office > behind the Hyde Park Barracks is the mainrepository.Could be a ref in the > Maitland Mercury ?If before 1856 might be a ref in > http://gazette.slv.vic.gov.au/ .Bye MargMHunter Valley List > Admin

Hi Jenny, Where did your Rowland Family Originate? My Rowland Family originated with George ROWLAND b. 1770 Market Overcon, Rutland, m. Anne PYNE (26 Jan 1795 in Wittering, Nth Hamptonshire, England) his son George ROWLAND b 03 Dec 1808 Greetham, Rutland, England m. Mary OSBOURNE b. 09 Oct 1809 in Saxby, Liecester, Leicestershire, England d. 02 Aug 1840 in Sewstern, Leicestershire, England (Aged 33) he then married Elizabeth HARDY nee PRIEL 23 Jul 1843 in Buckminster, Leicestershire, England. George ROWLAND d. 16 Jun 1881 in Bungawalbin Creek, New South Wales Australia his daughter Anne ROWLAND b. 17 Sep 1847 Crows Nest, Richmond River, New South Wales, Australia d. 13 Oct 1928 in Rosalie, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia. m. George MORLEY (b. 28 May 1841 Boston, Lincolnshire England d. 20 Jun 1902 Dragon Street, Warwick, Queensland, Australia), 13 Mar 1874 in District Registrar's Office, Warwick, Queensland, Australia. George ROWLAND and Family arrived in Sydney 26 Jun 1844 aboard "Britton" as an Assistant Passenger. Are they any relation to you? Brian M Morley Ipswich, Queensland -------Original Message------- From: Jenny Myers Date: 13/04/2011 8:29:53 PM To: aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HV] re ROWLAND Hi Vicki, where did your ROWLAND family originate? My family originated in Sussex, Eng., my grandparents came out to Sydney firstly in 1914, returned to Eng. 1920 and then returned in 1926 after my mum was born. Regards, Jenny

Hi Peter, There is a series of books/CDs (one for each County) from Royal Australian Historical Society. "Compiled from each county's parish maps; contains alphabetical lists of all surnames of the first title holders. Parish maps also shown." The one you would be looking for is: First Titleholders of Land in the County of Northumberland by Geoff Cannon. Listed at a number of libraries at WorldCat http://www.worldcat.org It can also be purchased through Maitland & District Genealogical Society but is quite expensive. The order form gives a better description of what is included. Looks good to me! http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ausmfhc/ Hope this helps, Deb. -----Original Message----- From: Peter.W.Coleman Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 4:47 AM To: AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY@rootsweb.com Subject: [HV] Land grants Is there a list of land grants for the Maitland area ? Any advise where I should look?

----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter.W.Coleman" <pwcoleman@bigpond.com> To: <AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 6:47 AM Subject: [HV] Land grants > Hi forum members, > > Is there a list of land grants for the Maitland > area ? Any advise where I should look? > > > Hi Peter A good place to start is Google. NSW State Records has alot of info http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/guides-and-finding-aids/short-guide-8/short-guide-8Ihaven't come across any specific list just for Maitland. Depending onwhattime period the Parish maps data base may help?The Land & Property Info Office behind the Hyde Park Barracks is the mainrepository.Could be a ref in the Maitland Mercury ?If before 1856 might be a ref in http://gazette.slv.vic.gov.au/ .Bye MargMHunter Valley List Admin

Hi Lisa I am sorry I have just done a complete check of the index I am compiling and neither of your gentleman's names appear. Warm Regards Hazel

sent from my Telstra NEXTG™ handset -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-hunter-valley-request@rootsweb.com <aus-nsw-hunter-valley-request@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, 15 April 2011 5:07 PM To: aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com <aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> Subject: AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY Digest, Vol 6, Issue 82 Quoting the entire text of a previous message or returning whole message digest in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. Today's Topics: 1. Rowlands (Denis & Vicki Moran) 2. Land grants (Peter.W.Coleman) 3. Re: Land grants (Hazel Magann) 4. Obituaries Australia just launched (Yvonne Scrivener) 5. Re: Obituaries Australia just launched (Ray) 6. Re: Land grants (lisa mc murray) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:07:19 +1000 From: "Denis & Vicki Moran" <dvmoran@tpg.com.au> Subject: [HV] Rowlands To: <AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <000001cbfa83$5c860d60$15922820$@com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Jenny My Rowlands were from London. William, who was the second husband of my ancestor Jane Downey, was born in Stepney 1836. I guess I am interested in them because the children that William and Jane had would be in my family tree. Regards Vicki ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 06:47:25 +1000 From: "Peter.W.Coleman" <pwcoleman@bigpond.com> Subject: [HV] Land grants To: <AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <000001cbfae5$298c5ab0$6401a8c0@petere5f193cad> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Hi forum members, Is there a list of land grants for the Maitland area ? Any advise where I should look? Thanks PC ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 06:56:36 +1000 From: "Hazel Magann" <hazelmagann@optusnet.com.au> Subject: Re: [HV] Land grants To: <pwcoleman@bigpond.com>, <aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <7D17686E47474183B02B2EB41F721012@john> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi Peter At this immediate time I am transcribling the Col Sec Land Grants, Leases and Purchases. If you send the person's details I will see what I can locate for you. Regards Hazel ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 07:57:11 +1000 From: "Yvonne Scrivener" <scrivener@iinet.net.au> Subject: [HV] Obituaries Australia just launched To: <aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <BBE9E975FF1E40F086464E6A63547A22@YvonnePC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" A new site launched this month: http://oa.anu.edu.au/ <quote>Obituaries Australia is a digital repository of obituaries published in newspapers, journals, magazines and bulletins. Here you will find the life stories of Australians from the earliest times to the present. This site is hosted by the National Centre of Biography at the Australian National University, which also produces the award-winning Australian Dictionary of Biography. While the ADB focuses on the lives of notable Australians, Obituaries Australia offers a more egalitarian sample of the Australian experience by reproducing, in a convenient online format, published obituaries relevant to the history of Australia.<endquote> Yvonne Scrivener Canberra ACT Australia ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 08:06:12 +1000 From: "Ray" <ray15@optusnet.com.au> Subject: Re: [HV] Obituaries Australia just launched To: <aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <006101cbfaf0$2b784b30$0401a8c0@rhb946ce934ceb> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Yvonne: what a wonderful resource. Thank you very much for posting it. ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yvonne Scrivener" <scrivener@iinet.net.au> >A new site launched this month: > > http://oa.anu.edu.au/ ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 17:21:57 -0600 From: lisa mc murray <lisajoy60@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [HV] Land grants To: Hunter Valley <aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <SNT106-W19F58D51053DC047A6322CA2AD0@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Hazel Could you also look for Duncan McLennan and Archibald McLennan in the Williams River District - Underbank and Tillegra. Thanks You wrote: > Hi Peter > At this immediate time I am transcribling the Col Sec Land Grants, Leases > and Purchases. > > If you send the person's details I will see what I can locate for you. > > Regards > Hazel ------------------------------ To contact the AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY list administrator, send an email to AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY-admin@rootsweb.com. 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Yvonne: what a wonderful resource. Thank you very much for posting it. ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yvonne Scrivener" <scrivener@iinet.net.au> >A new site launched this month: > > http://oa.anu.edu.au/

A new site launched this month: http://oa.anu.edu.au/ <quote>Obituaries Australia is a digital repository of obituaries published in newspapers, journals, magazines and bulletins. Here you will find the life stories of Australians from the earliest times to the present. This site is hosted by the National Centre of Biography at the Australian National University, which also produces the award-winning Australian Dictionary of Biography. While the ADB focuses on the lives of notable Australians, Obituaries Australia offers a more egalitarian sample of the Australian experience by reproducing, in a convenient online format, published obituaries relevant to the history of Australia.<endquote> Yvonne Scrivener Canberra ACT Australia

Hi Peter At this immediate time I am transcribling the Col Sec Land Grants, Leases and Purchases. If you send the person's details I will see what I can locate for you. Regards Hazel