Hi Bill Thank you for your response. My enquiry relates to my great grandfather Albert Edward Bird who was brought to Australian to run professionally in 1869 , promoted as Long Distance Champion of England. He competed at Newcastle and in December 1870 married Alice Walmsley who was a daughter of the initial proprietor of the City Arms Joseph Walmsley. I was thinking they may have met at the Hotel. That it was a rendezvous for sporting fraternity strengthens that view. regards John : oldboybill@westnet.com.au > To: aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com > Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 21:09:25 +1000 > Subject: Re: [HV] Walmsley family / City Arms Hotel > > Dear John, > > If you spend a bit of time looking at the Sands Directory you will find it > mentioned there probably year after year until demolition. Some entries have > the name of the publican. Just not sure what year the Sands started to > included Newcastle entries. > > Every Liquor License has to be renewed Annually. They are mentioned in the > Government Gazette, about August, each year in the Licensing District, and > this would be the Hunter District. State Records would have the butts of the > license with some details on it. > > Sincerely, Bill > > > Not sure ? if you have seen this snippet on the www, or if it helps ? > > > > The long-gone City Arms Hotel stood on the eastern corner of Hunter and > > Market streets from 1870. > > It was a popular rendezvous for the sporting fraternity and was rebuilt in > > 1905 as the Central Hotel. > > It later became the Hotel Hunter and is today unrecognisable in the Hunter > > Street Mall. > > Part of it is now occupied by the Sanity record store opposite Market > > Square. > > > > taken from > > http://www.hotelsnewcastle.com.au/hotels-newcastle-articles/2006/9/16/all-over-bar-the-shouting/ > > [1996] > > > > > > A partial phot (on Flickr) > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/3271386590/ > > > > > > > > Diane > > Hills District > > Nth West Sydney > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > From: "John Bird" <johnkb13@hotmail.com> > > Sent: Friday, May 20, 2011 9:53 AM > > To: <aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> > > Subject: [HV] Walmsley family > > > >> Hi > >> I would like to find out more about Joseph Walmsley and the City Arms > >> Hotel Newcastle. He was the who was proprietor of the hotel in the > >> 1870s. > >> Any information would be greatly appreciated. > >> regards > >> John > > > > > > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > > reply...... Thank you! > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear John, If you spend a bit of time looking at the Sands Directory you will find it mentioned there probably year after year until demolition. Some entries have the name of the publican. Just not sure what year the Sands started to included Newcastle entries. Every Liquor License has to be renewed Annually. They are mentioned in the Government Gazette, about August, each year in the Licensing District, and this would be the Hunter District. State Records would have the butts of the license with some details on it. Sincerely, Bill > Not sure ? if you have seen this snippet on the www, or if it helps ? > > The long-gone City Arms Hotel stood on the eastern corner of Hunter and > Market streets from 1870. > It was a popular rendezvous for the sporting fraternity and was rebuilt in > 1905 as the Central Hotel. > It later became the Hotel Hunter and is today unrecognisable in the Hunter > Street Mall. > Part of it is now occupied by the Sanity record store opposite Market > Square. > > taken from > http://www.hotelsnewcastle.com.au/hotels-newcastle-articles/2006/9/16/all-over-bar-the-shouting/ > [1996] > > > A partial phot (on Flickr) > http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/3271386590/ > > > > Diane > Hills District > Nth West Sydney > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "John Bird" <johnkb13@hotmail.com> > Sent: Friday, May 20, 2011 9:53 AM > To: <aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [HV] Walmsley family > >> Hi >> I would like to find out more about Joseph Walmsley and the City Arms >> Hotel Newcastle. He was the who was proprietor of the hotel in the >> 1870s. >> Any information would be greatly appreciated. >> regards >> John > > > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi John, Not sure ? if you have seen this snippet on the www, or if it helps ? The long-gone City Arms Hotel stood on the eastern corner of Hunter and Market streets from 1870. It was a popular rendezvous for the sporting fraternity and was rebuilt in 1905 as the Central Hotel. It later became the Hotel Hunter and is today unrecognisable in the Hunter Street Mall. Part of it is now occupied by the Sanity record store opposite Market Square. taken from http://www.hotelsnewcastle.com.au/hotels-newcastle-articles/2006/9/16/all-over-bar-the-shouting/ [1996] A partial phot (on Flickr) http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/3271386590/ Diane Hills District Nth West Sydney -------------------------------------------------- From: "John Bird" <johnkb13@hotmail.com> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2011 9:53 AM To: <aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> Subject: [HV] Walmsley family > Hi > I would like to find out more about Joseph Walmsley and the City Arms > Hotel Newcastle. He was the who was proprietor of the hotel in the 1870s. > Any information would be greatly appreciated. > regards > John

John did you go through the newspapers on line through the National library of Australia digitizing project, google, State Library of New South Wales? Jenelle. -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Bird Sent: Friday, 20 May 2011 9:54 AM To: aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com Subject: [HV] Walmsley family Hi I would like to find out more about Joseph Walmsley and the City Arms Hotel Newcastle. He was the who was proprietor of the hotel in the 1870s. Any information would be greatly appreciated. regards John Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1375 / Virus Database: 1509/3647 - Release Date: 05/19/11

Hi I would like to find out more about Joseph Walmsley and the City Arms Hotel Newcastle. He was the who was proprietor of the hotel in the 1870s. Any information would be greatly appreciated. regards John

Dear Heather, This is my husband's family, I do have fairly extensive information about it. Kind regards, Janice Bellamy -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of aus-nsw-hunter-valley-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, 19 May 2011 5:01 PM To: aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com Subject: AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY Digest, Vol 6, Issue 102 Quoting the entire text of a previous message or returning whole message digest in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. Today's Topics: 1. Thomas & Caroline Bellamy nee Chapman (Heather Macdonald) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 13:11:41 +1000 (AUS Eastern Standard Time) From: "Heather Macdonald" <heather_ann_mac@yahoo.com.au> Subject: [HV] Thomas & Caroline Bellamy nee Chapman To: <AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <4DD48A6D.000003.01668@HEATHER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="utf-8" Hi List Hoping to find anyone who has researched the above couple who married in the Maitland district 1881. Trying to find marriage on Maitland films but no luck so far to find out where they come from etc to help knock down a brick wall. Most of their kids were born in Maitland but last one was in the Paterson area 1895. Hoping to also find deaths or anything relevant for this couple, nothing concrete to go on so far.... have checked maitland histroy circle's website and trawled though the records they have online but they all seem to belong to the Thomas & Minnie Bellamy who m. 1876 Maitland thanks to anyone who can shed some light! ?Heather Macdonald ?Heather Macdonald ------------------------------ To contact the AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY list administrator, send an email to AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY mailing list, send an email to AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY Digest, Vol 6, Issue 102 *****************************************************

Hi List Hoping to find anyone who has researched the above couple who married in the Maitland district 1881. Trying to find marriage on Maitland films but no luck so far to find out where they come from etc to help knock down a brick wall. Most of their kids were born in Maitland but last one was in the Paterson area 1895. Hoping to also find deaths or anything relevant for this couple, nothing concrete to go on so far.... have checked maitland histroy circle's website and trawled though the records they have online but they all seem to belong to the Thomas & Minnie Bellamy who m. 1876 Maitland thanks to anyone who can shed some light! Heather Macdonald Heather Macdonald

> Hi Listers > > We have just transcribed with permission from NLA, the Journal of J.H.Bent > on the convict ship Broxbornebury in 1814. Bent was the first Supreme > Court > Judge in Australia. It tells of the journey and life on the ship on its > way > to Australia. My wife's ggggrandfather George Williams was also on this ship with his wife, Mary and son Vincent George Williams and Vincent's half brothers Edward and Frederick Hunt. Some details of these families and associated families can be found on our website www.williamsfamilyoz.com > > Anyone interested can they contact me on my email address using the above subject line. It is 100 pages book printed on A4 and the RRP is $36 plus postage. If I can get enough people interested I can waive the postage. The book has been transcribed with original spelling and punctuations, though paragraphs have been inserted for ease of reading. Also relevant maps of areas have been included. Regards Wal

Dear Listers I am trying to find out any information about James SMITH and Esther COMODY (sic) who were married in Wollombi in 1857. They were witnesses to my husband’s great-grandparents, William MANN and Sarah LILLEY, marriage in Wollombi in 1862. I have no idea if they were friends of the couple or “professional” marriage witnesses. Any information about their lives may be the clue to finding out about Sarah LILLEY’s parents’ ancestry, convicts John LILLEY (Minerva 1824) and Catherine CARMODY (Pyramus 1836) who served out their time with George LODER in the Patrick Plains area. Here’s hoping for any little snippet of information. Wendy Lindsay Mackay, Qld

Hi Listers We have just transcribed with permission from NLA, the Journal of J.H.Bent on the convict ship Broxbornebury in 1814. Bent was the first Supreme Court Judge in Australia. It tells of the journey and life on the ship on its way to Australia. It is 100 pages printed on A4. My wife's ggggrandfather George Williams was also on this ship with his wife, Mary and son Vincent George Williams and Vincent's half brothers Edward and Frederick Hunt. Anyone interested can they contact me on my email address Regards Wal

Hello Tim. If you google for "who was who in america" (USING the inverted commas), you will receive lots of hits; many by the publishing company of that publication. Here is a link to the wikipedia entry for that company, which was my first hit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marquis_Who%27s_Who It would appear that they have been publishing lots of hard-copy Who's Who titles for a while now, including Who WAS who. Another of the hits was from the publishing company, advertising that they now have an online service, but it means paying a subscription to access it, and my guess is that it will not be cheap to do so. HTH: Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Jones" <tc.jones@bigpond.com> > > There is a reference on a rootsweb page which gives a source of "Who Was > Who > in America" for details of Henry Eckford's father but I don't believe the > source has been quoted correctly. > > Does anyone have a contact who has access to that book (I don't know which > volume/year). ...

Hi listers There is a reference on a rootsweb page which gives a source of "Who Was Who in America" for details of Henry Eckford's father but I don't believe the source has been quoted correctly. Does anyone have a contact who has access to that book (I don't know which volume/year). Name: John Eckford Sex: M Marriage Janet E. Black Children . Henry Eckford b: 12 MAR 1775 in Irvine, Scotland, of New York City Sources: .Type: Book Title: Who Was Who in America http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET <http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=general-society&i d=I3612#s1> &db=general-society&id=I3612#s1 Tim Jones 711/66 Bowman St Pyrmont NSW 2009 0417-432-374

Hi Ann Thanks for that. Will make a note of it. Cheers Jude On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Maitland Family History Circle Inc. <MFHC@exemail.com.au> wrote: > Hello Jude > > This might help >

Hello Jude This might help you eliminate some, Robert Stewart died 14 June 1900 Maitland was 33 and born at Farley, NSW. Ann On 7/05/2011 4:29 PM, jude winter wrote: > Hello Listers, > > Have just joined the list an am hoping to smash down some brick walls. > > I'm not sure if I have been on this list before. It has been several years since > I have done any research. But now I work part-time so have more hours > to get back > to it, > > I am researching Robert STEWART and Mary O'NEIL/O'NEILE/O'NEAL/NEIL. > > Robert was born in Stirling, Scotland C1807, died West Maitland C1900. > Robert married Mary > at the Catholic Church, West Maitland on 15th September 1840. > > Mary was born in County Kerry, Ireland C1814 and died West Maitland C1898. > > Both came to Australia as convicts. Robert arrived in 1830 after being > sentenced 7 years > for stealing butter. > > Mary came to Australia in 1837 after being sentenced 7 years for > stealing from a > dwelling house. > > I have purchased a couple of death certificates but they were the > wrong ones. There > were too many to buy them all. > > They had five children > > William C1840 - 1892 > Ellen C1843 - > Robert 1845 - > James Alexander 1849 - 1936 (my g grandfather) > David 1853 - > > I look forward to hearing from anyone that may be related or can offer any > assistance. > > Cheers > Jude > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Listers, Have just joined the list an am hoping to smash down some brick walls. I'm not sure if I have been on this list before. It has been several years since I have done any research. But now I work part-time so have more hours to get back to it, I am researching Robert STEWART and Mary O'NEIL/O'NEILE/O'NEAL/NEIL. Robert was born in Stirling, Scotland C1807, died West Maitland C1900. Robert married Mary at the Catholic Church, West Maitland on 15th September 1840. Mary was born in County Kerry, Ireland C1814 and died West Maitland C1898. Both came to Australia as convicts. Robert arrived in 1830 after being sentenced 7 years for stealing butter. Mary came to Australia in 1837 after being sentenced 7 years for stealing from a dwelling house. I have purchased a couple of death certificates but they were the wrong ones. There were too many to buy them all. They had five children William C1840 - 1892 Ellen C1843 - Robert 1845 - James Alexander 1849 - 1936 (my g grandfather) David 1853 - I look forward to hearing from anyone that may be related or can offer any assistance. Cheers Jude

Thanks Ray, might be worth a try. Will keep you posted. Jan On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 8:16 PM, Ray <ray15@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > Hello Jan. > > I agree with your previous responders: that to the best of my knowledge, > they will have been destroyed. > BUT you could google to try to make e-mail contact with the HISTORICAL > section of Australia Post; and put your question to them; and perhaps then > share their response back here with us. > > Before they sold the Sydney GPO to make it into an international hotel, the > historical section was located in that building, and was run by a wonderful > man who loved his work and had just so much knowledge, and lots of Post > Office historical publications and items. He'd have been sure to give you > an > authoritative answer. Hopefully there will be someone equally knowedgeable > and dedicated in a similar role today, to assist you. > > Good luck with it. > Ray > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Janet Petty" <irookpup@gmail.com> > > > Can anyone tell me if unclaimed letters in the general post office > Sydney, > > 1852, have been preserved and are available to read anywhere? > > > > Thanks > > Jan > > > >

Hello Heather, The following is extracted from the Singleton Pioneer Register, which was published about 1990. FREEMAN. GEORGE. A wheelwright by trade- he m. 22/3/1841 @ Whittingham [near Singleton]- St. Andrews, to Mary Ann Burns, [Smith], who was b. 9/10/1821 to Thomas Burns & Elizaberth Sandall, or Tyrell/Turrell. He d. 7/7/1891. He lived at Patricks Plains and Lochinvar. It is very unusual that his date/place of birth is not shown, nor the names of the parents. ISSUE. George. b. 1/1/1839; Thomas. b. 1842; John b. 1844; William. b. 1848; Andrew. b. 1850; James. b. 1852; Annie. b. 1853; Elizabeth. b. 1855; Mary. b. 1859; Eliza. b. 1861; & Walter. b. 1868. [ Mary's first husband was a Pallett/Palate and her second was a John Crane--17/2/1890. [ I guess this is the date of marriage] Mary Ann Burns' father died in 1824, and she was brought up as SMITH by her mother and her second husband, John Smith. Also have listing for William Freeman. b. 1811/1812 at Richmond--s/o Samuel; Robert Freeman, b. 20/9/1836 at Patricks Plains, and Charles Arthur b. 20/3/1867 at Singleton. The data for Charles, Robert & William was entered by Mrs. D. Freeman, 57 Elwers Rd., Rosebud. Vic. 3939. The data for George came from S&L Bennett, 9A Linden Ave, Linden. NSW. 2778. I have no idea if these addresses are still current. The Singleton Family History Society also holds some data relating to George Freeman. Finally, I have noticed that the Registrar General used two spellings for Patricks Plain-- or Patrick Plains. You need to check both, however the latest BDM records on line seem to have solved the problem by not asking the question. I trust that you get something useful from this diatribe. Bennie. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heather Macdonald" <heather_ann_mac@yahoo.com.au> To: <aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2011 4:41 PM Subject: [HV] George Freeman of Singleton/Maitland > Hi list > > Hoping to find some other researchers of FREEMAN who were in Patricks > Plains > > And Maitland area in the 1850's up who might be able to help with an > anomaly > > With this family. > > I have a friend Tracy who is descended from this family and has a lot of > Info from family, but on closer inspection of bdm site, ancestry etc I see > Something that doesn't seem to add up right. > > My friend Tracy's g/father was a Francis Stephen Robert Freeman b. 1905 > Lochinvar to > Andrew E Freeman and wife Frances M Cooper who m. 1884 West Maitland > > They have Andrew E's father as George E and that this George E married a > Margaret McManus 1862 Patricks Plains who had a 12 kids in Patricks Plains > (but no Andrew E). > > Looking at bdms there is 2 Andrew E's listed both in 1856, 1 to George & > Mary & 1 to George & Elizabeth in Maitland. I can find a death of 1 in > 1918 > Morpeth to George & Mary and this Andrew is given in Tracy's info as being > Frances's husband. > > Frances is listed on 1930 electoral in Morpeth then in West Maitland after > This with no sign of her husband. > > I haven't come across any definite deaths for the George & Margaret above > Yet but are not listed on electoral rolls and no definites on the 1891 & > 1901 NSW census on ancestry. > > Searching Google has given me some sites of FREEMANS from Patricks Plains > For George & Mary nee Burns who have a Andrew but nothing has been traced > on > > Him. It shows this couple dying in Patrick's Plains long after George & > Margaret married. I did notice that both George's were having kids in > Patricks Plains at roughly same time so proves there were 2 George's in > the > Area at same time. > > So now I need to know how Tracy's family know that Andrew's father George > is > > Linked to Margaret McManus. I think someone has mixed the two families > Together and not really researched properly. I am trying to get Tracy to > Purchase some certificates to help work it out. > > In the meantime if any other Freeman researchers of Patricks Plains can > shed > > Some light on the 2 George's would be a great help. I do know that Mary's > George descends from the Samuel Freeman etc. > > I do notice that both George's use the name Emanuel with their descendants > So wonder if they are both related in some way. > > Regards > Heather Macdonald > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On Wednesday 04 May 2011 18:34:19 Pam Dowling wrote: > Unclaimed Letters used to be advertised in the Govt Gazettes, (just the > list of names) but you'd need to be looking for a very unusual name to be > able to identify a specific recipient from the lists. And also, it strikes > me that if the recipient wasn't to be found where the letter was sent, and > it had to be advertised in Unclaimed Letters, then it's not going to be > much help to you. > I found two rellies in the same newspaper list! I was looking for my PYWELL family but also found my gg-uncle John VERCOE. It confirmed where the people in England thought they were. -- ==== Michael Lightfoot Canberra, Australia OPC Merther, St Breock & Egloshayle, Cornwall see http://www.cornwall-opc.org michael.lightfoot@pcug.org.au ====

Dear Fay, It is simply the name and location that is published in the Government Gazette. Pages and pages of them. The actual letters is what was sought, and they were destroyed. Sincerely, Bill > Unclaimed letters are available in the Government gazzettes. > Fay

Hello Pam and Marg, Thank you both for your replies. I have gained access at last. Regards, Marje -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of MargM Sent: Wednesday, 4 May 2011 8:11 AM To: aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HV] Greville's Post Office Direstory 1872 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pam Dowling" <genie@free.net.nz> To: <aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 2:28 AM Subject: Re: [HV] Greville's Post Office Direstory 1872