Hello I have found quite a few family members moved from Alexandra Victoria to Newcastle in the early 1900's. Some Areas were Broadmeadow, Lambton, Hamilton. Looking for people who are researching Mary Jane Cottier Melville James Jones Elizabeth Harris nee Jones who supposedly married 2nd husband Evan Harris before 1902 William Hartley who married Harriet Kearney nee Jones Violet Ellen nee Jones Horatio Jones who believe left a donation to the Mayfield Orphanage Elmer Most all originated from Alexandra in Victoria Esp looking for the marriage of Harris to Jones Regards Kate

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jordan" <paynescrossing@gmail.com> To: "aus-nsw-hunter-valley" <aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 1:53 AM Subject: [HV] Lookup request 1901 Census ENG/WLS; NSW Electoral Rolls > Hi Listers > > I don't have a subscription to Ancestry but have located via their > index a 1901 Census entry: > > Thomas C Morgan > Age: 33 > Spouse: Amy E > Hampshire > Household schedule no.: 111 > > Their index says that Amy was 82 which I suspect is a mistranscription of > 32. Hi Ian Yes it is . Have sent copy to you > > Also interested in members of the household. He was b in Constantinople ! Thats a rather excotic location ! I haven't checked the electoral rolls yet but I believe in the 1950s > Amy Elizabeth MORGAN was living at 84 Main Road, Cardiff Heights. > > If some kind person or persons could check the 1901 England Census and > the NSW Electoral Rolls, I would be grateful. > Amy Elizabeth was in the rolls to 1943 .......... Copy sent direct Bye MargM Hunter Valley List Admin

Hi Listers I don't have a subscription to Ancestry but have located via their index a 1901 Census entry: Thomas C Morgan Age: 33 Spouse: Amy E Hampshire Household schedule no.: 111 Their index says that Amy was 82 which I suspect is a mistranscription of 32. Also interested in members of the household. I believe they were married Jun Qtr 1898 in the South Stoneham district, Hampshire (Thomas Charles MORGAN and Amy Elizabeth LOOSEMORE). At some stage, Thomas, an engineer, and Amy and whatever family they had at that stage (research ongoing!) came to Australia. By 1915 they were living at Islington, NSW. In the NSW BDM Index, there is a death in 1941 registered at Wallsend for Thomas Charles MORGAN giving his parents as William John and Eleanor Jane; there is a 1964 death registered at Wallsend for Amy Elizabeth MORGAN giving parents as William and Margaret. I haven't checked the electoral rolls yet but I believe in the 1950s Amy Elizabeth MORGAN was living at 84 Main Road, Cardiff Heights. If some kind person or persons could check the 1901 England Census and the NSW Electoral Rolls, I would be grateful. Regards

I am putting in an order for the above book if anyone would like a copy please email me of list for cost. Regards Tracie King

Hello Marg: once more: thank you for another excellent hyperlink. You must read very widely to keep coming up with these for us. With gratitude. Ray. ----- Original Message ----- From: "MargM" <genknut@exemail.com.au> > Found in the SAGEN mailing list http://pericles.ipaustralia.gov.au/ols/auspat/ > The Australian government has put online a new database that lists patent > applications going back as far as 1904. The database contains over 1.6 > million patent applications covering all of Australia and can be searched > by > inventor's name (including spelling variations) as well as type of > invention. This is not the normal type of website that a genealogist would > think to look at but it might be a great website to search if you think > one > of your ancestors may have been an inventor, scientist, engineer or > tinkerer. Certainly, it doesn't hurt to take a look. Access is free.

Found in the SAGEN mailing list One of those if you dont look web sites ! http://pericles.ipaustralia.gov.au/ols/auspat/ The Australian government has put online a new database that lists patent applications going back as far as 1904. The database contains over 1.6 million patent applications covering all of Australia and can be searched by inventor's name (including spelling variations) as well as type of invention. This is not the normal type of website that a genealogist would think to look at but it might be a great website to search if you think one of your ancestors may have been an inventor, scientist, engineer or tinkerer. Certainly, it doesn't hurt to take a look. Access is free. Enjoy MargM List Admin

What I found out is that Julia's mother (Martha Priest) and 5 of her siblings died in the massive 1870 floods in Denman. Only Julia (4 years old) and her father Patrick Ryan survived by clinging to a tree. Her birth certificate says "unnamed" which is why I couldn't find her. Thanks to Muswellbrook FHS for finding her for me. Tim Jones - Mobile: 0417-432-374 711/66 Bowman St, Pyrmont NSW 2009 -----Original Message----- From: Tim Jones Sent: Thursday, 10 March, 2011 12:42 AM To: aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com Subject: [HV] Julia Martha Mary Ann Ryan appeared out of nowhere Julia Martha Mary Ann Ryan married Thomas William Smith on 18 July 1893 in Yass.

Thanks, Ray. I don’t mind a puzzle when it involves history. It is amazing what you can learn from other people’s family history puzzles. Deb. -----Original Message----- From: Ray Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 4:48 PM To: aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HV] Durham Street is now Denman Street, West Maitland What an excellent sleuthing and analysis, Deb. Congratulations. Ray

Hi Ken, According to the news of the day ... DISTRIBUTION of 201 Male Convicts, who arrived by the Java. Assigned to Private Service : 173 To Public Service as follows - Mineral Surveyor : 7 Hyde Park Barrack : 1 In hospital : 4 Unfit for Assignment : 4 Sent to Port Macquarie : 2 Sent to Carter's Barrack : 10 In all 201 F. A. HELY. Principal Superintendent of Convicts' Office, 3d December, 1833. Sydney Herald (9th December 1833) Can't see him listed (by name or ship) in the '37 Muster. Diane From: Ken Thompson Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 6:18 PM To: aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com ; Diane Subject: Michael Minchan Thank you for the information Diane. It is very encouraging. I wondered if the spelling of the name as I had it was correct, but couldn't find a record for any close variant. I am particularly keen to find out who he was assigned to, either on arrival or shortly afterwards. Regards Ken Hi Ken, A few clues ... Michael Minchan, Native of Kerry, Ireland, was a Schoolmaster and was tried for Manslaughter. >From State Records NSW ... MINCHAN Michael - Java 1833 Ticket of Leave 42/3202; On the recommendation of Commissioner of Crown Lands New England 48/0463 14 Aug 1848 Ticket of Leave Passport [4/4270; Reel 977] MINEHAN Michael - Java 1833 42/3202 Ticket of Leave [4/4170; Reel 946] District: Port Macquarie; Tried: Kerry Diane Hills District Nth West Sydney

What an excellent sleuthing and analysis, Deb. Congratulations. Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deb" <oneleaf@bigpond.net.au> > I have come to the conclusion that Durham Street became Northumberland > Street, but today is Denman Street, West Maitland. This makes sense as > Margaret says it was in the vicinity of the Rose Inn, which was on High > Street, West Maitland (backing onto the river - so somewhere on the bend > of > the river). > > The following are references as to how I came to this conclusion. Hope > you > can follow. (State Records description of a record including "Denman or > Northumberland or Durham Street" is a dead giveaway!

Thank you for the information Diane. It is very encouraging. I wondered if the spelling of the name as I had it was correct, but couldn't find a record for any close variant. I am particularly keen to find out who he was assigned to, either on arrival or shortly afterwards. Regards Ken Hi Ken, A few clues ... Michael Minchan, Native of Kerry, Ireland, was a Schoolmaster and was tried for Manslaughter. >From State Records NSW ... MINCHAN Michael - Java 1833 Ticket of Leave 42/3202; On the recommendation of Commissioner of Crown Lands New England 48/0463 14 Aug 1848 Ticket of Leave Passport [4/4270; Reel 977] MINEHAN Michael - Java 1833 42/3202 Ticket of Leave [4/4170; Reel 946] District: Port Macquarie; Tried: Kerry Diane Hills District Nth West Sydney

Hi everyone Just a quick reply to thank everyone who contributed to helping me get to the bottom of where exactly Durham Street was in West Maitland. It is appreciated very much and from my very young days of living down there in childhood, I can recall precisely where that is now. Thanks again Margaret ************************* Margaret Bauer Qld, Australia bauerm@tpg.com.au *************************

Hi Margaret & listers, I have come to the conclusion that Durham Street became Northumberland Street, but today is Denman Street, West Maitland. This makes sense as Margaret says it was in the vicinity of the Rose Inn, which was on High Street, West Maitland (backing onto the river - so somewhere on the bend of the river). The following are references as to how I came to this conclusion. Hope you can follow. (State Records description of a record including "Denman or Northumberland or Durham Street" is a dead giveaway! '.....was about to turn off from High-street to see a sick woman. She was then near Durham street. A man suddenly came up, said she was just the woman he wanted, dragged her down John-street, .....' '.....was at this time passing near the Northumberland Bridge, and heard the noise of a woman moaning. Looking over the rails, and seeing a man and woman in John street,.....' The Maitland Mercury & Hunter River General Advertiser, 9 Mar 1858 pg 1 http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article18642597 'The course he asked the Council to adopt was not without precedent. They would remember that the name of Durham-street was changed to that of Northumberland-street, ...' The Maitland Mercury & Hunter River General Advertiser, 2 Mar 1886 pg 6 http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article18878610 'Near the Northumberland Bridge, High-street, West Maitland.' The Maitland Mercury & Hunter River General Advertiser, 7 Jun 1862 pg 1 http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article18688742 'NORTHUMBERLAND BRIDGE, IMMEDIATELY OPPOSITE THE NORTHUMBERLAND HOTEL' The Maitland Mercury & Hunter River General Advertiser, 26 Oct 1861 pg 4 http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article18684797 'Primary Application - Charles William Genge 1 rood 34 perches in Denman or Northumberland or Durham Street in John & Gawler Streets in Municipality West Maitland Parish Maitland County Northumberland Volume 2969 Folio 215' http://investigator.records.nsw.gov.au/Entity.aspx?Path=\Item\379717 Finally, on the 1912 Maitland parish map (earliest online), it shows Durham street where Denman Street is today. The word DURHAM is so small & faint, I never would have seen it without the knowledge of the previous references to focus on a particular area. (I had already checked the map when Margaret first sent the message to list & not seen it). http://parishmaps.lands.nsw.gov.au/pmap.html Deb. -----Original Message----- From: Margaret Bauer Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 6:40 AM To: AUS-NSW-Hunter-Valley-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HV] Durham Street West Maitland Hi Listers In the course of research, I have come upon a family who resided in "Durham Street, West Maitland". Being from Maitland many years ago now, I could not recall a street of that name, and so I have checked on the map to see just where this is but nothing seems to show up........................<snipped>

Try this link, as the other is no longer correct: http://www.lpma.nsw.gov.au/survey_and_maps/maps_and_imagery/parish_maps Bruce Fairhall On 25/05/2011 2:07 PM, Michael Lightfoot wrote: > > Margaret Bauer wrote: >> Hi Listers >> >> In the course of research, I have come upon a family who resided in >> "Durham >> Street, West Maitland". > > This site of old parish maps in NSW may assist: > > http://www.lands.nsw.gov.au/survey_maps/maps_and_imagery/parish_maps >

I didn't even open it. Guessed it was something unfavourable and marked it as "Junk". "There was a completely off topic message posted to this list this morning . Have unsubscribed that persons email address and reported them to Gmail for using a Gmail address to post SPAM."

Dear Bill,Heather & Pam, Thanks for your replies re Bellamy; you're in front of me, I didn't even know about James' second marriage. I only have James, his parents (both convicts) & daughter Charlotte. All other info welcome. Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pam Dowling" <genie@free.net.nz> To: <aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [HV] Bellamy Family > Hi Heather, Ian and Bill, > > Yes, the same family. My interest is in the marriage with Faith Winton > HARMAN:

Thanks Marg. I thought it was totally out of character for you and the list and could see it was not your email address. Regards Jan Koperberg Blue Mountains ----- Original Message ----- From: "MargM" <genknut@exemail.com.au> To: <AUS-NSW-Hunter-Valley@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 8:24 AM Subject: [HV] Inapropriate post > > There was a completely off topic message posted to this list this morning > . > Have unsubscribed that persons email address and reported them to Gmail > for > using a Gmail address to post SPAM. > > > Bye > MargM > Hunter Valley List Admin > > > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

There was a completely off topic message posted to this list this morning . Have unsubscribed that persons email address and reported them to Gmail for using a Gmail address to post SPAM. Bye MargM Hunter Valley List Admin

----- Original Message ----- From: <tl2668@gmail.com> To: <aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 3:20 AM Subject: [HV] hey > Hi , this is so completely worth it > http://email.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?zi=1/XJ&sdn=email&zu=http://cnbc7.com And so completely off topic for this mailing list MargM Hunter Valley List Admin

Hi Ken, A few clues ... Michael Minchan, Native of Kerry, Ireland, was a Schoolmaster and was tried for Manslaughter. >From State Records NSW ... MINCHAN Michael - Java 1833 Ticket of Leave 42/3202; On the recommendation of Commissioner of Crown Lands New England 48/0463 14 Aug 1848 Ticket of Leave Passport [4/4270; Reel 977] MINEHAN Michael - Java 1833 42/3202 Ticket of Leave [4/4170; Reel 946] District: Port Macquarie; Tried: Kerry Diane Hills District Nth West Sydney -------------------------------------------------- From: "Ken Thompson" <kethomps@tpg.com.au> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 6:12 PM To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com>; <aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> Subject: [HV] Convict Michael Minchan > Does anyone have any information on Michael Minchan, who is reported as > arriving on the Java ? I suppose this was on 18.11.1833 because there was > no previous arrival as far as I can discover. I think he must have been > taken directly to the Hunter, but he isn't listed in Free Settler or > Felon. > > Ken Thompson