Jim Thank you for that Information.I still enjoy a beer myself ! Lindsay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Sarginson" <jimwen@bigpond.net.au> To: <aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [HV] State Records photo ? > > Hi Lindsay, > > Zara Street is still there,The old Beaches Hotel was removed in the 60s > I remember having a beer there in the early 60s,it was down from the > hospital. > Zara Street had many boarding houses in the early 1900s > I think the Beaches Hotel that you have mentioned is The Beach Hotel at > Merewether > it over looks Merewether beach. > >

Marg, Further to my earlier messages re this photo, further research has revealed that the said Frederick Ash commenced business in Hunter Street in 1855, moving to larger, rented premises on the corner of King & Brown Streets in 1860. His premises in the now Civic precinct were built in 1904. Ian Wright ----- Original Message ----- From: "MargM" <genknut@exemail.com.au> To: <AUS-NSW-Hunter-Valley@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 5:28 PM Subject: [HV] State Records photo ? > > State Records want to know what this photo is of > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/state-records-nsw/5763060299 > > > I thinks its Newcastle before Fort Scratchley was built ?......... Any > one > any other ideas ?

Hi Lindsay, Zara Street is still there,The old Beaches Hotel was removed in the 60s I remember having a beer there in the early 60s,it was down from the hospital. Zara Street had many boarding houses in the early 1900s I think the Beaches Hotel that you have mentioned is The Beach Hotel at Merewether it over looks Merewether beach. Jim Sarginson > From: ljpoppy@bigpond.com > To: aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 22:48:03 +1000 > Subject: Re: [HV] State Records photo ? > > Hi Jim > > You seem to know the area? Would you know if "The Beaches" [ I think a > boarding house] was at the top of Zara St? > > This place and street name appear in a book.circ. before 1920 that belonged > to my Gran Olive Lawson. > I am led to believe that The Beaches Hotel now stands on the same site now > at the top of the hill, > and it is no longer called Zara St?? > > Lindsay Jansson > > > > > > Jim Sarginson > > > > > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Marg, I was unable to find that photo, but some dates might help. The hospital in the form it is in the photo was c 1866 before a second wing was added sometime after 1884. Boatman's Row cottages were built 1892,so the row of terraces can't be them. Fort Scratchley was built from 1881 to 1882, but there was a miltary installation on that site prior. The sign on the building in the foreground reads "F.Ash Importer"; undoubtedly this would be Frederick Ash who started his business in Newcastle in 1855, but I doubt this is his extant store in the Civic precinct. Ian Wright

Marg, It is definitely Newcastle. The large building to the right is the early Newcastle Hospital; it features in one of Ralph Snowball's photos dated 1890. The row of terrace houses to the left is "Boatman's Row", now opposite the entrance to Fort Scratchly. I have seen this photo before somewhere, so I'll start looking & let you know if I find it. Ian Wright ----- Original Message ----- From: "MargM" <genknut@exemail.com.au> To: <AUS-NSW-Hunter-Valley@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 5:28 PM Subject: [HV] State Records photo ? > > State Records want to know what this photo is of > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/state-records-nsw/5763060299 > > > I thinks its Newcastle before Fort Scratchley was built ?......... Any > one > any other ideas ? > > > > Was in their latest Archives Outside newsletter > > > Bye > > MargM > Hunter Valley List Admin > > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Marg, I too thought it was Newcastle, thinking the headland was Nobby's. I found this on the website below: "...N1719 Contrasting effects - A.B.C. building and old weather-worn house, beyond is St. Philips in Watt Street with amplifiers projecting from belfry. To the left is Royal Newcastle Hospital new wing..." If someone can look at the photograph N1719 as mentioned then it can be confirmed, if it is Newcastle. http://www.Newcastle.edu.au/Resources/Divisions/Academic/Library/Cultural%20Collections/pdf/dombrain.pdfThough the two storey building on the right near the shore, looks like aCatholic school. Then I thought the terrace houses reminded me of Meribumblaon the South Coast.Cheers,Janice.----- Original Message -----From: "MargaretB" <mbergies@optusnet.com.au>To: <aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com>Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 5:41 PMSubject: Re: [HV] State Records photo ?> Hi Marg>> The building in the centre right third, is that the Royal Newcastle> Hospital.?>> MargaretB> Lake Macquarie> NSW Australia>> ----- Original Message -----> From: "MargM" <genknut@exemail.com.au>> To: <AUS-NSW-Hunter-Valley@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 5:28 PM> Subject: [HV] State Records photo ?>>>> State Records want to know what this photo is of

----- Original Message ----- From: "Roseanne Howard" <rmh_53@yahoo.com.au> To: <aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 6:22 PM Subject: Re: [HV] What HUNTER VALLEY family/local history websites do youhave bookmarked? Not everyone on the list has hunter valley descendants but I get more information from here than the manning river or norco lists which cover the areas of my main interest so that could be why some of us are as you so kindly put it - 'fence sitters'. Hi Roseanne Any mailing list is an empty box unless subscribers join in answering queries , posting useful info . Alas both the Manning River & Norco lists are moribund at the moment , which is a shame. FWIW I certainly haven't got any Hunter Valley ancestry! I am just very interested in Australian history and in Hunter Valley and NSW Central Coast in particular are fascinating areas . Bye MargM Hunter Valley List Admin

Hi Jim You seem to know the area? Would you know if "The Beaches" [ I think a boarding house] was at the top of Zara St? This place and street name appear in a book.circ. before 1920 that belonged to my Gran Olive Lawson. I am led to believe that The Beaches Hotel now stands on the same site now at the top of the hill, and it is no longer called Zara St?? Lindsay Jansson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Sarginson" <jimwen@bigpond.net.au> To: <aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 9:29 PM Subject: Re: [HV] State Records photo ? > > Hi, > > Looks like it was taken from Nobbys,that is Zara Street Power station in > the forground. > > > Jim Sarginson >

Hi, Looks like it was taken from Nobbys,that is Zara Street Power station in the forground. Jim Sarginson > > > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

One taken from the opposite side http://www.flickr.com/photos/state-records-nsw/4952339207/in/set-72157605422568483/ MargaretB Lake Macquarie NSW Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "MargM" <genknut@exemail.com.au> To: <aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 5:55 PM Subject: Re: [HV] State Records photo ? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MargaretB" <mbergies@optusnet.com.au> > To: <aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 5:41 PM > Subject: Re: [HV] State Records photo ? > > >> Hi Marg >> >> The building in the centre right third, is that the Royal Newcastle >> Hospital.?

----- Original Message ----- From: "MargaretB" <mbergies@optusnet.com.au> To: <aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 5:41 PM Subject: Re: [HV] State Records photo ? > Hi Marg > > The building in the centre right third, is that the Royal Newcastle > Hospital.? > Hello MargaretB Sorry dont know......... not a native Novocastrian !! Any one else know ? Bye MargM Hunter Valley List Admin

Hi Marg The building in the centre right third, is that the Royal Newcastle Hospital.? MargaretB Lake Macquarie NSW Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "MargM" <genknut@exemail.com.au> To: <AUS-NSW-Hunter-Valley@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 5:28 PM Subject: [HV] State Records photo ? > > State Records want to know what this photo is of

State Records want to know what this photo is of http://www.flickr.com/photos/state-records-nsw/5763060299 I thinks its Newcastle before Fort Scratchley was built ?......... Any one any other ideas ? Was in their latest Archives Outside newsletter Bye MargM Hunter Valley List Admin

Not everyone on the list has hunter valley descendants but I get more information from here than the manning river or norco lists which cover the areas of my main interest so that could be why some of us are as you so kindly put it - 'fence sitters'. From: MargM <genknut@exemail.com.au> To: AUS-NSW-Hunter-Valley@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, 5 June 2011 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [HV] What HUNTER VALLEY family/local history websites do you have bookmarked? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jordan" <paynescrossing@gmail.com> To: "aus-nsw-hunter-valley" <aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2011 6:56 PM Subject: [HV] What HUNTER VALLEY family/local history websites do you havebookmarked? > About this time last year we had a thread to share Hunter Valley > bookmarks. Some of the links are dead and there are some new sites, so > I thought I might kick it off again. > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/AUS-NSW-Hunter-Valley/2010-05/1275135488 > > > What Hunter Valley resources do you have bookmarked? Hi Ian Are you & I  the only genes to have any Hunter sites bookmarked  ? I have http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/sets/72157605132739200/ http://www.jenwilletts.com/ http://www.newcastle.nsw.gov.au/about_newcastle/history_and_heritage http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ausmfhc/index2.html http://www.xroyvision.com.au/singleton/sfhspage.htm I had a couple of dead links too ! There are a lot of fence sitters on this list ......... Share your knowledge so we can all learn ! Bye             MargM Hunter Valley List Admin Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Subject: Re: [HV] What HUNTER VALLEY family/local history websites do youhave bookmarked? > > Hello Marg > > Here are my Favourites for the Hunter > > http://www.huntervalleygenealogy.com/ > > http://www.newcastle.edu.au/service/library/ > > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ausmfhc/index2.html > > http://www.nla.gov.au/ferg/volume/13299611_vol.html > > http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/title/8 > > Regards Alan > > >

Hi Marg > Are you & I  the only genes to have any Hunter sites bookmarked  ? Last year, Jan had some I've included: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/AUS-NSW-Hunter-Valley/2010-05/1275172383 ... and John added a couple of local history ones (love them too!) http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/AUS-NSW-Hunter-Valley/2010-05/1275313193 But there must be more.; they don't have to be bookmarks, just sites you use regularly for Hunter Valley family/local history research. Regards Ian J

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jordan" <paynescrossing@gmail.com> To: "aus-nsw-hunter-valley" <aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2011 6:56 PM Subject: [HV] What HUNTER VALLEY family/local history websites do you havebookmarked? > About this time last year we had a thread to share Hunter Valley > bookmarks. Some of the links are dead and there are some new sites, so > I thought I might kick it off again. > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/AUS-NSW-Hunter-Valley/2010-05/1275135488 > > > What Hunter Valley resources do you have bookmarked? Hi Ian Are you & I the only genes to have any Hunter sites bookmarked ? I have http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/sets/72157605132739200/ http://www.jenwilletts.com/ http://www.newcastle.nsw.gov.au/about_newcastle/history_and_heritage http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ausmfhc/index2.html http://www.xroyvision.com.au/singleton/sfhspage.htm I had a couple of dead links too ! There are a lot of fence sitters on this list ......... Share your knowledge so we can all learn ! Bye MargM Hunter Valley List Admin

About this time last year we had a thread to share Hunter Valley bookmarks. Some of the links are dead and there are some new sites, so I thought I might kick it off again. http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/AUS-NSW-Hunter-Valley/2010-05/1275135488 What Hunter Valley resources do you have bookmarked? Of course there is this list itself which you can browse or search from this landing page: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-NSW-Hunter-Valley.html There's also other mailing lists / discussion boards at: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY.html and http://www.huntervalleygenealogy.com/ Starting with Newcastle & environs ... Newcastle City Council http://www.newcastle.nsw.gov.au/ - Cemeteries (includes short historical sketches) http://www.newcastle.nsw.gov.au/about_newcastle/city_and_suburbs/cemeteries - searchable database http://www.newcastle.nsw.gov.au/services/newcastle_library/local_studies/local_studies_e-resources/cemetery_index or unframed at: http://www1.newcastle.nsw.gov.au/library/cemetery_search.cfm - History and Heritage start page http://www.newcastle.nsw.gov.au/about_newcastle/history_and_heritage The Library: http://www.newcastle.nsw.gov.au/services/newcastle_library has heaps besides the cemetery database. For example, the Newcastle Morning Herald index, searchable online (1869-1943) or downloadable PDFs (1944-84) http://www.newcastle.nsw.gov.au/services/newcastle_library/local_studies/local_studies_e-resources/newcastle_morning_herald_index using the following subject index terms: http://www2.ncc.nsw.gov.au/library/herald_subjects_1.cfm They have also a growing digital library: http://www.newcastle.nsw.gov.au/services/newcastle_library/local_studies/digital_collections including Gregson's history of the AA Co. http://www.newcastle.nsw.gov.au/services/newcastle_library/local_studies/digital_collections/digital_books2/australian_agriculture_company There's the Hunter place names index (useful for finding out changes of names of suburbs and streets) http://www.newcastle.nsw.gov.au/services/newcastle_library/local_studies/local_studies_e-resources/hunter_place_names_index The photo bank (see link for online searching) http://www.newcastle.nsw.gov.au/services/newcastle_library/local_studies/local_studies_e-resources/hunter_photo_bank or search several collections at once at: http://collections.ncc.nsw.gov.au/keemu/pages/nrm/ University of Newcastle Cultural collections: http://www.newcastle.edu.au/service/library/our-libraries/cultural-collections/ and photo sets at Flickr http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/sets/ and, also on Flickr, their "Digital Scriptorium" http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/collections/72157600879517929/ at their website, the Virtual Coquun-Hunter River Project (a digital repository of early accounts and descriptions of the Hunter Region) http://libguides.newcastle.edu.au/content.php?pid=94364&sid=705242 Jen Willet's research at: http://www.jenwilletts.com/index.htm The Patricia May's work at: http://www.huntervalleygenealogy.com/ Lake Macquarie .... Suburb history: http://www.lakemac.infohunt.nsw.gov.au/library/lhist/suburb/suburb.htm and the Library photo collection http://www.lakemac.com.au/pagephoto.aspx?tmpt=search&pid=481&vid=17 Maitland .... Council heritage pages (includes link to cemetery database) http://www.maitland.nsw.gov.au/Heritage Hunter Councils: not much of family history interest but has links to HV council websites (some with rather poor heritage resources): http://www.huntercouncils.com.au/index.html Singleton ... Family History Society Singleton inc http://www.xroyvision.com.au/singleton/sfhspage.htm And at Trove ... The Maitland Mercury & Hunter River General Advertiser (NSW : 1843-1893) http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/title/8 What can you add? Regards Ian J

Hi Marg and listers I have just discovered that the LDS indexers have been working on the ENG/WLS Census database. Sometimes an ancestry.com search doesn't produce the goods and having a second index is handy. Point your browser at: https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1&recordType=Census&countryId=1927033 or use this shorter link: http://tinyurl.com/LDS-ENG-WLS-Census-Collection The latest update was the 4th April 2011. The 1881 Index is by household which is why, I suspect, that the number of records is 5,962,278. There is no index for 1871. There are no images but a link to findmypast but you need a $ub$cription or pay-a$-you-go to view their images. Regards Ian J

Hi MargM and listers thank you very much for these; and thanks to the person who replied off-list: I have replied OFF-LIST as well. (Reply post snipped below) On 03/06/2011, MargM <genknut@exemail.com.au> wrote: > Subject: [HV] Lookup request 1901 Census ENG/WLS; NSW Electoral Rolls >> Their index says that Amy was 82 which I suspect is a mistranscription of 32. > Yes it is . Have sent copy to you Thought a 50 year age difference unlikely! The numbers have been transposed and she is 28. > He was b in Constantinople ! Thats a rather excotic location ! It will be fun to track that down. Wonder what the connection could be? Can't be many CoE churches in Constantinople. I just checked the LDS Catalog and they have a filming of Parish register transcripts, 1835-1878, Church of England in Turkey, Anglican Chaplaincy (Constantinople). The LDS also have the 1881 Census indexed and cross-referenced and I have found the MORGAN family back in England: there are four children born in Constantinople over an 8 or 9 year period. He is an engineer (according to a 1959 marriage certificate for one of the children and consistent with this Census record) which probably brought him to Newcastle: he is not listed in the 1901 Federal Directory in the lists of engineers, nor in Islington/Tighes Hill. Haven't found their immigration details yet. > Amy Elizabeth was in the rolls to 1943 .......... Copy sent direct > MargM > Hunter Valley List Admin