This Sarah MANTLE married a George Thomas BRADSHAW on 8 December 1880 in Newcastle as a spinster; Father William MANTLE; Mother Charlotte NEWTON; Reg 4340. Sarah BRADSHAW died on 8 September 1894 in Newcastle and his buried at Cof E Cemetery, Waverley, NSW. Father William MANTLE; Mother Charlotte NEWTON. This Sarah MANTLE is also supposed to have married Charles DILLON in 1877 at Brisbane Water, NSW and had a daughter to him in 1880 who died 4 weeks later 11 Apr 1880 (as per a couple of Trees on the internet). I searched the NSW BDM and I found that there were 3 X Sarah MANTLE born: Sarah J Mantle to John and Ann in 1850 Sarah A Mantle to William and Charlotte in Maitland in 1857 and finally Sarah A Mantle to John Sarah in Maitland in 1861. The other marriage is: Sarah MANTLE m David E JAMES in 1885 in Lambton. Was my Sarah MANTLE a bigamist or has someone got the wrong information in their Family Tree? Shirlee Wellington, NZ

Dear Shirlee, Lesson number one is not to simply believe what someone else has researched, without further proof, such as certificates of birth, marriage and death. We can get transcriptions, which are cheaper. Our records, if filled in correctly, will give details of parents, other siblings, place of burial or birth etc, which will help to prove who is who. There will not be that information in the 1850 as it is only really a Baptism Record. Official Registration started in 1856. Sincerely, Bill > This Sarah MANTLE married a George Thomas BRADSHAW on 8 December 1880 in > Newcastle as a spinster; Father William MANTLE; Mother Charlotte NEWTON; > Reg 4340. > > Sarah BRADSHAW died on 8 September 1894 in Newcastle and his buried at > Cof E Cemetery, Waverley, NSW. Father William MANTLE; Mother Charlotte > NEWTON. > > This Sarah MANTLE is also supposed to have married Charles DILLON in 1877 > at Brisbane Water, NSW and had a daughter to him in 1880 who died 4 weeks > later 11 Apr 1880 (as per a couple of Trees on the internet). > > I searched the NSW BDM and I found that there were 3 X Sarah MANTLE born: > Sarah J Mantle to John and Ann in 1850 > Sarah A Mantle to William and Charlotte in Maitland in 1857 and > finally Sarah A Mantle to John Sarah in Maitland in 1861. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Jan and list If I could just add some detail to Bill's excellent advice ... A search using the State Records Archives Investigator leads to this agency page: http://investigator.records.nsw.gov.au/Entity.aspx?Path=\Agency\442 This gives a brief history of the gaol etc and towards the bottom of the entry it gives "Record series created by this agency:" which you can expand into 33 items: http://investigator.records.nsw.gov.au/Entity.aspx?Path=\Agency\442\Series\Creating Some of these records relate to your period of interest - follow the link for each series of interest. e.g. http://investigator.records.nsw.gov.au/Entity.aspx?Path=\Series\2320 That entry will tell you if the series is available online, has been microfilmed etc As Ann has pointed out, some of these microfilms will be held by local family history societies or libraries. Otherwise, as Bill has said, you'll need to travel to a Reading Room ... As for photos. if I can add this to Ann's kind post: The State Records index to Gaol Photograph Books is a work in progress. You can see what has been done so far at: http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/indexes-online/gaol-records/index-to-the-gaol-photographs For Maitland Gaol, there is this note: "Please note there are two series for the Maitland Gaol Photograph Books NRS2326 [1885-1898] & NRS2327 [1875-1930]. NRS2327 appears to have been kept at the State Penitentiary, Long Bay. For the period 1885-1898 you may get two search results for a prisoners. Where the dates of both series overlap the information about prisoners is primarily the same although there will be cases where there is additional information. Please consider this when you are placing a copy order." Regards

Never mind Liz, it was a lovely story. Judy > Sorry, I should have sent my email to Bill on his own web address, and > not to the List. >

Sorry, I should have sent my email to Bill on his own web address, and not to the List. Liz.

Hello Bill, I have some records from Goulburn Gaol where an ancestor of mine spent 3 years in the very early 1900s. From memory Goulburn was the first Gaol to have inmates photographed, and if it had not been for this photo, I would not have any of this man. It is an interesting story in my family history, and I can just remember my grandfather Jim in his later years in 1941/1942, when he came to visit us, usually on a Saturday afternoon. The memory is made stronger, in that he used to bring me a little ice cream in a cardboard "bucket" !! After Jim's sentence was completed, the judge from the trial got him a job with the Water Board, and years later he was working in the inner western suburbs of Sydney. The group he was with, were putting in the huge water mains that are underground, and one of his mates went down into the hole they had dug, not realising there was gas in there as well as water, and he collapsed and his body was washed further down this main. My grandfather jumped in after him but could not rescue him, and Jim was brought back up again, probably not in a marvellous state either! For this event, he was awarded the Royal Humane Society Medal for Bravery. Jim died in July, 1942, aged about 70, so I was three and a half. Isn't family history fascinating. Liz. On 11/07/2011 11:52 AM, Bill wrote: > Dear Jan, > Whatever records "survived" are held by State Records, Kingswood. > If you go to www.records.nsw.gov.au you will find an Archives in Brief (Help > Sheet) on Goals. > It is possible that there is a photograph also in the Goal Photograph Book. -

both the Maitland & District Genealogical Society http://www.mdgs.org.au/ and Maitland Gaol http://www.maitlandgaol.com.au/ hold the films of Maitland Gaol entry and description books. I think the gaol also has the gaol photos but you would need to contact them. I take it you have already searched the NSW State Records website and the Police Gazettes?? Ann Campbell On 11/07/2011 11:32 AM, Jan wrote: > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Maitland Gaol Records > Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 23:43:01 +1000 > From: Jan<janet-haggart@netspace.net.au> > To: > > > > Hello List > > I am hoping someone can tell me if the Maitland gaol registers are > available for searching. My husband's grandfather John HALLETT was > sentenced to nine months there for perjury in 1869. Any help would be > greatly appreciated.. > > Thanks > Jan Haggart > > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear Jan, Whatever records "survived" are held by State Records, Kingswood. If you go to www.records.nsw.gov.au you will find an Archives in Brief (Help Sheet) on Goals. It is possible that there is a photograph also in the Goal Photograph Book. Some of these have been microfilmed, although this date may be a bit early.. After conviction, anyone sentenced to six months goal or more is also mentioned in the Police Gazette. Also a possibility is that there are Court Records depending on the Court and the type of case. In reality you need to go to Kingswood yourself. Be prepared to spend the day there, take lunch as there are no shops nearby. While you will have to do the looking yourself, the Archivists on duty will steer you in the right direction what to look for. Sincerely, Bill > > I am hoping someone can tell me if the Maitland gaol registers are > available for searching. My husband's grandfather John HALLETT was > sentenced to nine months there for perjury in 1869. Any help would be > greatly appreciated..

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Maitland Gaol Records Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 23:43:01 +1000 From: Jan <janet-haggart@netspace.net.au> To: Hello List I am hoping someone can tell me if the Maitland gaol registers are available for searching. My husband's grandfather John HALLETT was sentenced to nine months there for perjury in 1869. Any help would be greatly appreciated.. Thanks Jan Haggart

Hi Marg Thought our members would be interested in the info on Queensland certificates that you wrote on 4.7.2011. Would it be alright if I included it in this month's Lake Macquarie Family History Group Newsletter. Hope you are keeping well and warm Pat Patricia D West on Beautiful Lake Macquarie

Good afternoon list, Anyone who had relatives who were Police attached to Windsor Police Station between 1862 and 2010 might be interested in a book "Leaving the Barracks" by Heather Smith which is to be launched on ?Sunday 31 Jul 2011. Copies of the book will be avialable from the Author @ $25 each. ksmith34@bigpond.com Sincerely, Bill

The CC FHS has a new web site............ thought it worth spruiking ! http://centralcoastfhs.org.au/ Bye MargM List Admin and member of NSW Central Coast FHS Gosford NSW

STOP PRESS.....GSV advises: VICTORIAN BDM REGISTRY FEE CHANGES From 1 July 2010, fees for some of the Registry's products and services will increase, including: standard birth, marriage, relationship or revocation, death, single status and change of name certificates PLEASE NOTE THERE IS NO INCREASE TO FEES RELATING TO HISTORICAL INDEX SEARCHES, THE PURCHASING OF UNCERTIFIED IMAGES, OR OF HISTORICAL CD OR DVD PRODUCTS Bill <snip> > And yesterday on rechecking some info on their web site I > discovered that from 1 Jul 2011 certs will now cost $37 > till 30 Jun was $36. > > > Still could be worse, SA certs cost $43 ........... Dunno how > that is justified ? VIC ones only cost $17.50 and you can > download them . > > Bye > > MargM > List Admin >

Thanks Marg. It was nice of you to write to them, and to then share their response with us. Much appreciated. That they are digitising all records is great for the future. It would be nice to hope that this will result in cheaper certificates in the future -- but I won't be holding my breath waiting for that. ha ha. ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "MargM" <genknut@exemail.com.au> > > Public access to QLD marriage indexes has been stuck at 1939 for > quite a long time( On line to 1934 - on fiche to 1939) > > In some frustration I sent the QLD BDMS an email late last week > and got a very prompt reply > > At this point in time I am unable to advise when further Marriage indexes will be released. Currently this office is updating the Death indexes up to 1980 and also we have embarked on a project to digitalise all this Registry's records. Once this these projects are completed we will be releasing more Birth and Marriage indexes. Unfortunately I am unable to give you a time frame for this. ... Customer Contact Officer Registry of Births, Deaths & Marriages Phone : 07 - 3247 5811 > > And yesterday on rechecking some info on their web site I > discovered that from 1 Jul 2011 certs will now cost $37 > till 30 Jun was $36.

Yeh they had plenty of time to do it since 1974..but tough the North Qld area got Yasi..no matter how much planning go into flood mitigation..we are more prepared and save our stuff in the north we just have to prop the rest of the state up... Jenelle. -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lindsay Jansson Sent: Monday, 4 July 2011 6:52 PM To: aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HV] QLD roots.......... Anyone interested ? It's a pity the Government did not rectify both these matters beforehand, i.e. flood mitigation and their Archives..they have had ample time for both? But like most governments,they sit on their hands and then blame everyone else for their mistakes? Lindsay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenelle Mccarrick" <jmac2005@tpg.com.au> To: <aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 04, 2011 6:29 PM Subject: Re: [HV] QLD roots.......... Anyone interested ? > You should appreciate the fact that we have had a Cat 5 cyclone through > here, as well as floods, decimated crops, you can use the Ask a librarian > service for BDM notices, most cemeteries are on line...get off the > Queensland government backs, how do you know the library didn't go under > in > the floods... > Jenelle. > > - Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1388 / Virus Database: 1516/3742 - Release Date: 07/03/11

It's a pity the Government did not rectify both these matters beforehand, i.e. flood mitigation and their Archives..they have had ample time for both? But like most governments,they sit on their hands and then blame everyone else for their mistakes? Lindsay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenelle Mccarrick" <jmac2005@tpg.com.au> To: <aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 04, 2011 6:29 PM Subject: Re: [HV] QLD roots.......... Anyone interested ? > You should appreciate the fact that we have had a Cat 5 cyclone through > here, as well as floods, decimated crops, you can use the Ask a librarian > service for BDM notices, most cemeteries are on line...get off the > Queensland government backs, how do you know the library didn't go under > in > the floods... > Jenelle. > > -

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenelle Mccarrick" <jmac2005@tpg.com.au> To: <aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 04, 2011 6:29 PM Subject: Re: [HV] QLD roots.......... Anyone interested ? > You should appreciate the fact that we have had a Cat 5 cyclone through > here, as well as floods, decimated crops, you can use the Ask a librarian > service for BDM notices, most cemeteries are on line...get off the > Queensland government backs, how do you know the library didn't go under > in > the floods... > Jenelle. > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-nsw-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-nsw-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of MargM > Sent: Monday, 4 July 2011 5:13 PM > To: AUSTRALIA@rootsweb.com; AUS-NSW-SYDNEY@rootsweb.com; AUS NSW CC; > AUS-NSW-Hunter-Valley@rootsweb.com; AUS-NSW-NEW-ENGLAND@rootsweb.com; > aus-chinese@rootsweb.com > Subject: [HV] QLD roots.......... Anyone interested ? > > > > Public access to QLD marriage indexes has been stuck at 1939 for > quite a long time( On line to 1934 - on fiche to 1939) > > In some frustration I sent the QLD BDMS an email late last week > and got a very prompt reply > > >> At this point in time I am unable to advise when further >> Marriage >> indexes will be released. >> Currently this office is updating the Death indexes up to 1980 >> and also >> we have embarked on a project to digitalise all this Registry's >> records. >> Once this these projects are completed we will be releasing >> more Birth >> and Marriage indexes. Unfortunately I am unable to give you a >> time frame >> for this. >> >> >> Regards >>> Customer Contact Officer >> Registry of Births, Deaths & Marriages >> Phone : 07 - 3247 5811 > > And yesterday on rechecking some info on their web site I > discovered that from 1 Jul 2011 certs will now cost $37 > till 30 Jun was $36. > > > Still could be worse, SA certs cost $43 ........... Dunno how > that is justified ? VIC ones only cost $17.50 and you can > download them . > > Bye > > MargM > List Admin > > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1388 / Virus Database: 1516/3742 - Release Date: 07/03/11 > > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You should appreciate the fact that we have had a Cat 5 cyclone through here, as well as floods, decimated crops, you can use the Ask a librarian service for BDM notices, most cemeteries are on line...get off the Queensland government backs, how do you know the library didn't go under in the floods... Jenelle. -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of MargM Sent: Monday, 4 July 2011 5:13 PM To: AUSTRALIA@rootsweb.com; AUS-NSW-SYDNEY@rootsweb.com; AUS NSW CC; AUS-NSW-Hunter-Valley@rootsweb.com; AUS-NSW-NEW-ENGLAND@rootsweb.com; aus-chinese@rootsweb.com Subject: [HV] QLD roots.......... Anyone interested ? Public access to QLD marriage indexes has been stuck at 1939 for quite a long time( On line to 1934 - on fiche to 1939) In some frustration I sent the QLD BDMS an email late last week and got a very prompt reply > At this point in time I am unable to advise when further > Marriage > indexes will be released. > Currently this office is updating the Death indexes up to 1980 > and also > we have embarked on a project to digitalise all this Registry's > records. > Once this these projects are completed we will be releasing > more Birth > and Marriage indexes. Unfortunately I am unable to give you a > time frame > for this. > > > Regards >> Customer Contact Officer > Registry of Births, Deaths & Marriages > Phone : 07 - 3247 5811 And yesterday on rechecking some info on their web site I discovered that from 1 Jul 2011 certs will now cost $37 till 30 Jun was $36. Still could be worse, SA certs cost $43 ........... Dunno how that is justified ? VIC ones only cost $17.50 and you can download them . Bye MargM List Admin Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1388 / Virus Database: 1516/3742 - Release Date: 07/03/11

Shhhhh ... Don't let the Victorians know about it ... they'll only cash in big time like all the others :-)) " VIC ones only cost $17.50 and you can download them ."

Public access to QLD marriage indexes has been stuck at 1939 for quite a long time( On line to 1934 - on fiche to 1939) In some frustration I sent the QLD BDMS an email late last week and got a very prompt reply > At this point in time I am unable to advise when further > Marriage > indexes will be released. > Currently this office is updating the Death indexes up to 1980 > and also > we have embarked on a project to digitalise all this Registry's > records. > Once this these projects are completed we will be releasing > more Birth > and Marriage indexes. Unfortunately I am unable to give you a > time frame > for this. > > > Regards >> Customer Contact Officer > Registry of Births, Deaths & Marriages > Phone : 07 - 3247 5811 And yesterday on rechecking some info on their web site I discovered that from 1 Jul 2011 certs will now cost $37 till 30 Jun was $36. Still could be worse, SA certs cost $43 ........... Dunno how that is justified ? VIC ones only cost $17.50 and you can download them . Bye MargM List Admin