Re message from Chris Ralph; >My 3rd great grandfather James HICKS was transported to NSW in 1830. >Briefly, his story is as follows: ............... >2. There are a couple of references from James Hicks' ticket of leave, and >I wonder where I should go to follow up these references, which are 50/3078 >and 51/1815. State Records NSW has numerous on-line records, including a link to Tickets of Leave http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/the_state_archives_945.asp >3. Does anyone have any ideas just where I might locate the old Sparke >estate at Woodberry and Woodlands in the Lower Hunter Valley? http://www.jenwilletts.com/1837%20Settlers.htm has both a map & info concerning Sparke senior & Junior. "Mines, Wines & People" by W S Parkes et al refers to both having the first name of John, so don't overlook a 'wrong' first name. >4. Apart from Dungog and Maitland and the Sparke estate, is there anywhere >else you would recommend I try to see during my visit? Or is there anything >else I might realistically do to prepare for my visit during the next two >weeks? You've clearly done lots of research, but perhaps have overlooked a considerable amount of on-line info available here in Oz. Try Google but see if you can restrict the search to Oz sites. Try general searches first, like "Hunter Valley History". State Records in particular will point you to repositories you might need to visit for in depth info - you'll need to prepare. It might be worthwhile contacting Cessnock Library & Uni of Newcastle library to see what they have & possibly pre arrange a visit. Above all soak up the atmosphere & beauty of the Lower Hunter - it really is a very pleasant place to stay. Enjoy! Glenn Collyer (Sunny Sydney!)

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Hello Chris, No doubt you have been swamped with advice - here is my tuppence worth. Jen Willett's web site has many pages referring to the Hunter Valley. This is the home page which has a search facility - http://www.jenwilletts.com/index.htm http://www.jenwilletts.com/searchaction2.php I entered the name Hicks into the search box and found references to James Hicks re the abduction of the Slater lass - Entered "Woodlands" and found 2 refs, from the second, it appears that the property may have been in the Hexham district, near Newcastle and on the Hunter R. near the junction of the Pacific and New England highways. http://www.jenwilletts.com/earlysettler4.htm This page has 5 maps of the Hunter region, this is a map of the Williams R. c 1837 perhaps too early but still of interest. It is a pleasant drive from Maitland to Paterson, a small township on the Williams R. which passes by many of the old properties in the district. There is an active and informative Historical Society and Museum in the old courthouse, open from 1pm on Sundays where information on the places and people mentioned may be found http://www.tocal.com/homestead/museum/ Dungog information at http://www.dungog.nsw.gov.au/about/1003/1010.html Hope this helps, Marje

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Hello Listers, My 3rd great grandfather James HICKS was transported to NSW in 1830. Briefly, his story is as follows: He was convicted of stealing lambs at Hertford Quarter Sessions in England in 1829, and was sentenced to death. This penalty was within days commuted to transportation to NSW for life. He was at the time married and was the father of one infant son. His wife Mary was expecting a second child, who was born as he was detained on a prison hulk awaiting transportation. That expected child was my 2nd great grandfather. Both James & Mary HICKS were illiterate, so it is unlikely that they were able to communicate after his departure from English shores. His family was never reunited with him in Australia, and no recollection of this traumatic episode was passed down the generations. I discovered these sad details only in recent years. Once landed in NSW in May 1830, James was assigned to work on Edward Sparke's estate. I understand that this was located at Woodberry and Woodlands in the Lower Hunter Valley. In 1839 James was granted a ticket of leave in the Maitland district. In 1845 he was permitted to change this to the Dungog district. By 1848 he had ended up working for a small settler on the Williams River, named James Slater. It was at that point that he got himself into further trouble when he abducted Slater's teenage daughter, the consequence of which was that he served a year in Maitland Gaol. A second ticket of leave was granted to him in 1851, when he was to remain in the Illawarra district. I have no further clear history following the issue of that document. However, I see that there was a James HICKS living back in Dungog in 1866 and 1872, who may or may not have been my ancestor. My purpose in offering this account is that I have an opportunity to visit these areas for just two days later this month, flying out from England on 17th September. I hope to spend 19th-21st September looking around the places where my 3rd great grandfather lived out the second part of his life. In order to make the most of this opportunity, it would be helpful if anyone could offer advice or information on the following questions which I have: 1. Where on the Williams River was James Slater and his family living in 1848? Is there any way of discovering this from local directories of the time? The only mention I have in the newspaper report says: "It appeared from the evidence of James Slater and Susannah Slater that Slater was a small settler living on the William River, and that in 1848 the prisoner was working and living with him for a short time". 2. There are a couple of references from James Hicks' ticket of leave, and I wonder where I should go to follow up these references, which are 50/3078 and 51/1815. 3. Does anyone have any ideas just where I might locate the old Sparke estate at Woodberry and Woodlands in the Lower Hunter Valley? 4. Apart from Dungog and Maitland and the Sparke estate, is there anywhere else you would recommend I try to see during my visit? Or is there anything else I might realistically do to prepare for my visit during the next two weeks? Many thanks for any ideas. >From a grey, wet day in England, Chris Ralph

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Dear Wal, You may need to look at NSW State Archives. There's more info on inqests at http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/archives_in_brief_4_1264.asp Good luck, Wayne ----- Original Message ----- From: "wal & ron" <walron@iprimus.com.au> Subject: [HV] Death Inquiry > G'day Everyone, > > I am seeking information into an Inquiry that was held way back in 1877 into > the death of one James TIGHE who died 10 Nov 1877 at Goodooga NSW and buried > 11 Nov 1877. > > The Inquiry was conducted by a H.I.ADAMS, JP of Currawillinghi. > > Now please, could anyone advise me of where I may look to find a report > appertaining to this Inquiry? > > Many thanks > Wal Towells > Newcastle > Australia

Lynette you need to go to the State Records Site. www.nsw.gov.au search the deceased estate files. That should help you. Kaye www.bananatv.com/familytreechecklist.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynette Begg" <lynetteb@optusnet.com.au> To: "AUS-NSW-Hunter-Valley-L@rootsweb.com" <AUS-NSW-Hunter-Valley@rootsweb.com>; "AUS-NSW-SYDNEY-L@rootsweb.com" <AUS-NSW-SYDNEY@rootsweb.com>; <AUSTRALIA@rootsweb.com>; "AUS-NSW-NEW-ENGLAND-L@rootsweb.com" <AUS-NSW-NEW-ENGLAND@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 8:34 AM Subject: [HV] NSW Probate Index

Does anyone have the NSW Probate index? If so, I would love a lookup for several SUTHERLAND ancestors in the NSW Probate records please. Robert SUTHERLAND d 1866 Robert SUTHERLAND d 1896 David SUTHERLAND d 1900 George SUTHERLAND d 1905 William Henry SUTHERLAND d 1911 David SUTHERLAND d 1939 Daniel SUTHERLAND d 1946 Thank you very much for any help you can give me. Lynette Lynette Begg P.O. Box 289 East Maitland NSW 2323 Australia BROBBEL One Name Study - brobbel@one-name.org Guild of One Name Studies www.one-name.org member 4139 researching BROBBELs worldwide from all time periods. SUTHERLAND Family Reunion for descendants of Robert SUTHERLAND and Grace LOUTFOOT / LIGHTFOOT on 14th & 15th October 2006 at St. John's Centre, Morpeth NSW Australia. Their grandchildren's surnames SUTHERLAND, HOY, RODEY, TICKLE, SMITH, WINTERS, HENDERSON, WESTWATER, SMART, PETERSON, ISLES and MEDEW. http://www.geocities.com/sutherlandreunion New England surnames from late 1800s - BERRY, BRIDGE, CARTER, CHERRY, EGAN, FARDELL, FENERTY, FRANCIS, GODLEY, GOODWIN, HANSEN, HATCH, HAYDON, HERON, HOLDER, HOY, HUNTER, JONES, KELLY, LISLE, McMILLAN, OGILVIE, RODEY, SCOTT, SMITH (James from Niangala), STEIR, SUTHERLAND, TICKLE (Henry from Quipolly), WADDS, WEBB, WINTERS, WOOD, WRIGHT

Dear Listers Just tripped over this : http://tinyurl.com/jkewm Its been around quite a long time on a couple of films . An excellent addition to on line indexes Bye MargM List Admin Sydney, New England, Hunter Valley, Central Coast , Australia lists Happy hunting

Maree, did you check the John DUNN families in the BDMs for one who had children Mary Ann *and* Robert, because it looks like Robert could have been her brother? The births of children to John DUNNs would give you an idea of which might be the right one because you could get an idea from the birth area which might be the correct family. According to Nick Vine Hall's "Parish Registers In Australia" The St Matthew's Marriages 1835-1892 are held on film/fiche at SAG, so you may get lucky if you are able to check these. The originals might have the father's occupation and should have had the mother's name. Unless Murphy was doing the recording. Regards Pam An Aussie transplanted to Rotorua, NZ At 18:22 30.08.06 +1000, Maree Elliott wrote: >I have a marriage certificate for my gg grandparents who were married 3rd January 1870 at St Matthews Catholic church, Windsor. There names were Edwin Carberry and Mary Ann Dunn. The gg grandmother was under 21 and her father John gave consent. The witnesses were Robert Dunn and Eliza Jane Stahl.

Hoping someone can help I have a marriage certificate for my gg grandparents who were married 3rd January 1870 at St Matthews Catholic church, Windsor. There names were Edwin Carberry and Mary Ann Dunn. The gg grandmother was under 21 and her father John gave consent. The witnesses were Robert Dunn and Eliza Jane Stahl. My problem is there are no other names of parents on this certificate and when I looked on NSW BDM I found lots of John Dunn's with a few possibilities. Would the church records have the parents names and occupations recorded? If so are the church records with the said named church or are the records kept somewhere else? Thank you Maree Elliott Scone

G'day Everyone, I am seeking information into an Inquiry that was held way back in 1877 into the death of one James TIGHE who died 10 Nov 1877 at Goodooga NSW and buried 11 Nov 1877. The Inquiry was conducted by a H.I.ADAMS, JP of Currawillinghi. Now please, could anyone advise me of where I may look to find a report appertaining to this Inquiry? Many thanks Wal Towells Newcastle Australia -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 20694 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now!

I am still searching for an image and description of William Evans home on "Bellevue" next door to Andrew Lang's estate "Dunmore". My G/Grandparents George and Annis Lang Tucker lived there from 1870 to C.1889. Any help or suggestions gratefully received. Carole.

Dear Jan What a fantastic find for someone/anyone. You must be congratulated even if this is NOT the Robert S Stapylton in question. I congratulate you. The people on DPS sites in the past have been amazing and I continue to be so impressed with people's behavior and good will. The report below is fantastic and I am not even connected to the persons. I just wanted to express my thoughts. Cheers Carolyn Jan Koperberg wrote: > I cut the following insert to "In search" in the Daily Telegraph earlier > this year "Robert S Stapylton - born 1896, Orange, NSW, where his father, > Henry, was postmaster. After working with the PMG in NSW country areas, > including Cowra and Campbelltown, he retired to Springwood, where he died in > 1966. Seeking a photo of Robert, or a group photo in which he appears, for > his 84 year old daughter. Contact A. King, apk@optusnet.com.au". The > Stapylton family had property in what was North Springwood, now Winmalee, > in the early 1900's and are mentioned in "Hawkesbury Road and the > development of North Springwood" by Lindsay Paish. You might like to > contact the Historian at the Springwood Library on 02 4723 5053 or contact > the Blue Mountains Family History Society Inc, P.O. Box 97, Springwood, 2777 > or visit their website www.rootsweb.com/~nswbmfhs and send an email. They > were a well known family and there is a street in Winmalee named after > them - "Stapylton Street". I knew one of the Stapylton family members in > the late 60's. The Robert Stapylton mentioned above may not be the same > Robert Stapylton you are looking for, but could give you a lead. > Good luck > Jan Koperberg > Blue Mountains > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carole Douch" <douch1@pacific.net.au> > To: <AUS-NSW-SE-L@rootsweb.com>; <AUS-NSW-PILLIGA-L@rootsweb.com>; > <AUS-NSW-Hunter-Valley-L@rootsweb.com>; <aus-nsw@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 7:29 PM > Subject: [HV] Duff/ Elliott/ Seddon/ > > > >> Is any one related to these families. >> >> Im helping a lady find her fathers relatives , as her parents seperated >> when she was young ,and her mother burnt all the papers and photos, she >> wants to contact her relatives. This is all the information she has on the >> families. >> >> >> >> George Duff married Ada Sarah Elliott in 1904, they had 4 children, >> >> Allan Seddon Duff, b 1913 married Norah Glover >> >> Mervyn George Duff b 1908 married Irene Martin, 1929 in >> Granville >> >> Milton R. b 1910 married Doreen Ibbett , 1929 in >> Auburn >> >> Lily O b1905 married Robert Stapylton , 1927 >> in Penrith >> >> >> They came from the Katoomba area. >> >> >> thanks carole >> >> >> NSW >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.6/428 - Release Date: 25/08/2006 >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

I cut the following insert to "In search" in the Daily Telegraph earlier this year "Robert S Stapylton - born 1896, Orange, NSW, where his father, Henry, was postmaster. After working with the PMG in NSW country areas, including Cowra and Campbelltown, he retired to Springwood, where he died in 1966. Seeking a photo of Robert, or a group photo in which he appears, for his 84 year old daughter. Contact A. King, apk@optusnet.com.au". The Stapylton family had property in what was North Springwood, now Winmalee, in the early 1900's and are mentioned in "Hawkesbury Road and the development of North Springwood" by Lindsay Paish. You might like to contact the Historian at the Springwood Library on 02 4723 5053 or contact the Blue Mountains Family History Society Inc, P.O. Box 97, Springwood, 2777 or visit their website www.rootsweb.com/~nswbmfhs and send an email. They were a well known family and there is a street in Winmalee named after them - "Stapylton Street". I knew one of the Stapylton family members in the late 60's. The Robert Stapylton mentioned above may not be the same Robert Stapylton you are looking for, but could give you a lead. Good luck Jan Koperberg Blue Mountains ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carole Douch" <douch1@pacific.net.au> To: <AUS-NSW-SE-L@rootsweb.com>; <AUS-NSW-PILLIGA-L@rootsweb.com>; <AUS-NSW-Hunter-Valley-L@rootsweb.com>; <aus-nsw@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 7:29 PM Subject: [HV] Duff/ Elliott/ Seddon/ > Is any one related to these families. > > Im helping a lady find her fathers relatives , as her parents seperated > when she was young ,and her mother burnt all the papers and photos, she > wants to contact her relatives. This is all the information she has on the > families. > > > > George Duff married Ada Sarah Elliott in 1904, they had 4 children, > > Allan Seddon Duff, b 1913 married Norah Glover > > Mervyn George Duff b 1908 married Irene Martin, 1929 in > Granville > > Milton R. b 1910 married Doreen Ibbett , 1929 in > Auburn > > Lily O b1905 married Robert Stapylton , 1927 > in Penrith > > > They came from the Katoomba area. > > > thanks carole > > > NSW > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.6/428 - Release Date: 25/08/2006 >

Is any one related to these families. Im helping a lady find her fathers relatives , as her parents seperated when she was young ,and her mother burnt all the papers and photos, she wants to contact her relatives. This is all the information she has on the families. George Duff married Ada Sarah Elliott in 1904, they had 4 children, Allan Seddon Duff, b 1913 married Norah Glover Mervyn George Duff b 1908 married Irene Martin, 1929 in Granville Milton R. b 1910 married Doreen Ibbett , 1929 in Auburn Lily O b1905 married Robert Stapylton , 1927 in Penrith They came from the Katoomba area. thanks carole NSW

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Would some one be able to take a photo of a grave in the Kurri C of E cemetry for me please , email me off line, for details, thanks carole NSW

William Henry Montgomery R.N. arrived on "Galatea" in 1870. Four years later married Emily Pepper. Some of 10 sons & daughters married, hopefully. (Twins) William and Henry, James and John MONTGOMERY. W.H.MONTGOMERY b.1849 Sussex U.K.. m.1874 EMILY PEPPER of Hunter River at 51 George Street, Nth Sydney. Issue:- GEORGE HENRY Montgomery. born/died 1875 Twins JOHN & JAMES Montgomery b.1876 Waterloo MARION Montgomery b.1878 at Greta Twins WILLIAM and HENRY Montgomery b.1879 Greta EMILY KATE Montgomery b.1881 Greta HAMILTON Montgomery b.1883 Newcastle ANNABELL Montgomery b.1885 Newcastle THOMAS ROWLAND Montgomery ? b.1887 Hamilton Other names are ANNABELL MONTGOMERY b.1885 Newcastle m.1916 Wickham to ARTHUR WHITING.. Annabell Whiting d.1961 Hamilton Annabell & Arthur had son "MONTY" MONTGOMERY ?? b.6th Aug.1917 Paddington. Monty MONTGOMERY m.1941 ? McMURTRIE at TERALBA. I have a great deal to share from 20 years research. Thelma (Bostock) Birrell at Maroochydore.