Greetings, Thankyou, everyone for your responses, your time and your talent.I shall be following all the leads in the near future. John has indicated that the SS DELUNGRA was sent to Davey Jones's Locker half a century ago. Information on DELUNGRA'S Centenary Celebrations can be found at our ,under construction website, at www.delungra.net. Everyone is welcome particularly those with a connection such as Jenny's. At the 1919 launch, a Walsh Island speaker described Delungra as a town,nearby, in the Newcastle District . By stretching you imagination one could agree, but the facts are, Delungra is within 100 kms of the Queensland Border, halfway between Moree and Inverell on the Gwydir Highway ! RUSSELLEB

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Hi Chris, I'm at a bit of a loss to understand the reason for this message. I, along with several others, have already answered this for you on another list. Perhaps you were trying cross-posting. FWIW, you'll find that often the same people are on a lot of these lists, and cross posting is unnecessary annoying and time-wasting. The best idea is probably to choose one list - the one that is *most appropriate* and on-topic, for your query and take it from there. In this case it's not immediately obvious why your query is relevant to HV or PJ lists, so I'm assuming my comments may help you use lists more effectively. Best wishes Pam An Aussie transplanted to Rotorua, NZ At 15:49 6.09.06 +0100, Chris Ralph wrote: >Still trying to find out a bit more about my ancestor James Hicks. I have been >advised to ask the list whether anyone has access to "The Joan Reece Indexes", >and if so whether they would be able to run a check for me at some point. I am >particularly interested in the references 45/9270, 50/3078, and 51/1815, which, >it has been suggested, refer to letters which are recorded in the Colonial >Secretary's correspondence books.

Sorry, Acting on advice of another lister only. I'll have to plead ignorance, or perhaps even insanity. I tend to accept what people tell me I should do, when they appear to know more than me. Anyway, thanks for your thoughts. Chris Ralph (A pom whose ancestor was "transplanted" to NSW) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pam Dowling" <genie@free.net.nz> To: "Chris Ralph" <egbert_multivarious@yahoo.co.uk>; <AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 7:05 AM Subject: Re: [HV] Colonial Secretary's correspondence > Hi Chris, > > I'm at a bit of a loss to understand the reason for this message. I, along > with several others, have already answered this for you on another list. > > Perhaps you were trying cross-posting. FWIW, you'll find that often the > same people are on a lot of these lists, and cross posting is unnecessary > annoying and time-wasting. The best idea is probably to choose one list - > the one that is *most appropriate* and on-topic, for your query and take it > from there. In this case it's not immediately obvious why your query is > relevant to HV or PJ lists, so I'm assuming my comments may help you use > lists more effectively. > > Best wishes > Pam > An Aussie transplanted to Rotorua, NZ

I have a copy of Shaping the Hunter and there is no mention of the Delungra, sorry ..· ´¨¨)) -:¦:- ¸.·´ .·´¨¨)) ((¸¸.·´ ..·´ -:¦:- -:¦:- ((¸¸.·´*.` Jenny McCarthy Brightwaters N.S.W. on beautiful Lake Macquarie

Hi Listers Thank you all for your replies to my Maitland Asylum query. Haven't had time to follow up any suggestions yet. Just wanted to ask if anyone knows whether or not the complete NSW (particularly in the Singleton area) Parish Records before 1857 have been transcribed to the NSW BDM index? Would there be more Parish Records available at the Parishes? Trying to find a marriage for 2 ex-convicts John Lilley and Catherine Carmody in about 1843 which is when Catherine obtained her TOL. Her first child was born about 1844. John was buried at All Saints Church of England Singleton in 1850 so maybe this is where they married although Catherine was an Roman Catholic.The children were all born at Patrick Plains. Thanks in anticipation. Wendy Mackay, Queensland

HI Russell Only last Saturday 2/9/2006, the Newcastle Morning Herald ran a feature article on Walsh Island, pages 12-13 of the H2 section. Written by Mike Scanlon it gives a brief rundown on the history of the site, I have checked the relevant pages but it does not mention the name of the ship. There is mention of another book which may give more information, Shaping the Hunter 1983. MargaretB Lake Macquarie NSW Australia

Hi Listers Thank you all for your replies to my Maitland Asylum query. Haven't had time to follow up any suggestions yet. Just wanted to ask if anyone knows whether or not the complete NSW (particularly in the Singleton area) Parish Records before 1857 have been transcribed to the NSW BDM index? Would there be more Parish Records available at the Parishes? Trying to find a marriage for 2 ex-convicts John Lilley and Catherine Carmody in about 1843 which is when Catherine obtained her TOL. Her first child was born about 1844. John was buried at All Saints Church of England Singleton in 1850 so maybe this is where they married although Catherine was an Roman Catholic.The children were all born at Patrick Plains. Thanks in anticipation. Wendy IN THE BEAUTIFUL WHITSUNDAY CITY OF MACKAY

Still trying to find out a bit more about my ancestor James Hicks. I have been advised to ask the list whether anyone has access to "The Joan Reece Indexes", and if so whether they would be able to run a check for me at some point. I am particularly interested in the references 45/9270, 50/3078, and 51/1815, which, it has been suggested, refer to letters which are recorded in the Colonial Secretary's correspondence books. Many thanks. Chris Ralph

Bev, I had a look via Google and the book appears to be called Beyond the Black Stump. This link http://www.blackstump.com.au/btbs.htm says a copy can be purchased from Coolah Shire, not sure how old the website is, though.... Here is a link to Coolah Shire, snail mail address plus phone number. http://www.warrumbungle.nsw.gov.au/ Good luck! Juliette

Hi Can someone on the list please tell me where/ how i can purchase a copy of Around the Black Stump" the history of Coolah Dunedoo Mendooran areas. researched by Roy Cameron and edited by Kathielyn Job. I have a few coppied pages but would like to purchase the whole book Cheers Bev Driver Lake Albert Wagga Wagga

Below is an extract from a web site "Brew Family Ships". "SS Corio Reg. No. 128788, code lettering VJCG, a steel twin screw steamer of 3346 gross register tons and 1934 net, with 1 deck, and triple expansion steam engines which could attain 520hp. She was built in 1919, originally as M.V. Delungra, by the N.S.W. Government Dockyard in Newcastle, N.S.W., owned by Huddart Parker of Melbourne, and registered in that port. She had a length of 331 feet, a width of 47.9 feet and a depth of 26 feet. Albert Halewood Brew served on her from 5 - 17 August 1936, 18 August to 29 December 1936, 8 March to 20 September 1937, 21 - 25 September 1937, 28 October to 20 December 1937, 27 January to 26 April 1938, and 18 May to 22 July 1938 as an engineer in the Australian Merchant Service. Some 13 years later, on 26 February 1951, Corio was lost when she ran aground on Admella Rock on Carpenters Reef in South Australia, in heavy fog. She was on her way from Rapid Bay to Port Kembla with a crew of 43 and carrying a cargo of Limestone under the command of Master Charles M. Rasmussen. She lies at 38° Lat. 140 Long." John Tainsh Subject: [HV] S.S. DELUNGRA Can anyone assist me tracking down a ship launched in 1919 at Walsh Island ? This cargo ship was named the S.S.DELUNGRA and was the first of the steel ships built for the Commonwealth Government at the end of WW1.

Greetings, Can anyone assist me tracking down a ship launched in 1919 at Walsh Island ? This cargo ship was named the S.S.DELUNGRA and was the first of the steel ships built for the Commonwealth Government at the end of WW1. The small town of DELUNGRA , population 330, celebrates its Centenary Year on Australia Day 2007. I am gathering information on the above ship for a small celebratory publication. We know from newspaper cuttings much about this ship's birth, but little about its subsequent fate. The last we heard on the subject, is a local photo,of the SS DELUNGRA berthed at Launceston,TAS, during 1947. Perhaps one of our listers knows of this vessel and can give me some details. So far I have been unable to find any trace of the DELUNGRA at any on line site. The boat was constructed at the same time as BHP was fireing up, and that steelworks was only able to supply about fifty percent of the plate to the new Walsh Island complex. Any suggestions? thanks. RUSSELLEB

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Dear Caroline, Joseph Broadbent Holmes was born on Godstone, Surrey England 0n 13/7/1817. Baptised at St Nicholas on 14/8/1817. He died at the Wilderness on 17/12/1897. He married Harriet Pawsey Phillips (born 9/11/1813 at Newnham, Gloucs., parents Charles Philips and Phoebe Maxwell) at Westbury-on-Severn in Gloucestershire in on 31/11/1841. Within a year they had travelled to Australia, and soon after purchased a property from a Robert Coulson, not far from Allandale, near Maitland in the Hunter Valley. It was, in fact, not far from where I live. I understand that th name "Wilderness" came from the name of a lake in Cumberland. He built a house near Black Creek and developed a vineyard. In 1852 he was the president of the Hunter River Vineyard Association in 1852. His eventual property was 2,000 acres in size of which 100 acres was under grapes. The family had a close association with the local Anglican minister, who kept a detailed diary (often mentioning the Holmes family). One of the eight children, Maxwell Pillips Holmes, married the minister's daughter Mary Anne Glennie. I have three foolscap pages of info on the family, a copy of a picture of the house and the Rev. Glennie's diary is available. In the family tree I have the next generation and some of his grandchildren. I guess we should exchange notes!! John Goswell >Looking for a Holmes researcher who can give me some information re Joseph >Broadbent Holmes of 'The Wilderness' & 'Caerphilly' at Rothbury - my gg.grandfather >was William Boughton & according to family lore, he was brought out to Australia >in 1842 by Joseph Broadbent Holmes, 'a winegrower from Exeter, Devon'.

Looking for a Holmes researcher who can give me some information re Joseph Broadbent Holmes of 'The Wilderness' & 'Caerphilly' at Rothbury - my gg.grandfather was William Boughton & according to family lore, he was brought out to Australia in 1842 by Joseph Broadbent Holmes, 'a winegrower from Exeter, Devon'. I've since found Joseph's baptism in Surrey & his marriage in Gloucestershire. Has anybody found him in the 1841 census & does he have any connection to Exeter? Was he a winemaker before he came to Australia? In 1841 William Boughton was an agricultural labourer living with his parents in Minsterworth, Glos. (which was an area that grew cider apples). Significantly, in that it substantiates a connection between the two families, in 1841 William's wife-to-be, Eliza Virgo, was employed as a female servant in the household where Harriet Phillips, Joseph's wife-to-be, resided in Newnham, Glos. Thanks for any help, Caroline

Hello Chris, There is a James Slater listed on the 1859-1860 Electoral Roll for the Lower Hunter electoral district of Sinclair Point."Sinclair's Point" appears on today's Govt. Topographic map of the Maitland District; located on the Eastern side of the Williams River, 2.5 kms North of the village of Seaham.The present Seaham to Glen Oak Road runs right along the Western side of the River opposite "Sinclairs Point." Named after Peter Sinclair who was granted the land (1050 acres) in 1823, but he became indebted & the land was sold in 1825.The land was further subdivided in the early 1870s. Listed in the 1867 Post Office Directory for Seaham is Grace Slater, Snr & Thomas Slater Jnr, both farmers of Sinclairs Point.The local Newspaper of the time, the "Maitland Mercury" is available to peruse online, you may be able to find something about the 1851 abduction from there, if you haven't already done so. In 1919, the following were eligible to vote in the Seaham Polling Place;- Evelyn H. SPARKE, Domestic Duties, Leslie R.SPARKE, Farmer & Stanley SPARKE, Labourer. Descendants, perhaps?? The Local History Section of the Newcastle Regional Library in Laman Street Newcastle would have a copy of the Electoral rolls; perhaps you could contact them online (Google) & since you are only paying a fleeting visit from such a distance, they may be able to do some further research before you arrive. I hope this helps a bit, please contact me should I be able to help any further. Regards, from a warm & sunny, but very dry Hunter Valley, Ian Wright.

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Thank you so much for all the suggestions. We have more or less identified, (we think), the location of the old Sparke estate where James Hicks served his initial 9 years of penal servitude, (somewhere apparently between Ironbank Creek & Thornton on the Newcastle to Maitland road), and are planning a visit to Maitland Gaol, and to Dungog. We're still trying to pin down where the Slater homestead was, but perhaps that will become clearer in time through somebody's kindness. So, jet-lag permitting, we are looking forward to what we hope will be a special experience. Please will you accept my thanks to all on the list who have taken time offering their advice. I have tried to respond to some in person, but have been rather overwhelmed by the kind response. Best wishes from a beautiful late summer day in southern England. Chris Ralph

Hello Marg Please tweak me back to Mime. With thanks Chris Randall clrandall@optusnet.com.au