Hi Marg, Thanks for your email and it could be one of the ways to go for info. Regards John -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of MargM Sent: Tuesday, 23 January 2007 3:44 PM To: aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HV] 32 CHILDREN- KING Info ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Rice" <jrice@westnet.com.au> To: <aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 2:16 AM Subject: [HV] 32 CHILDREN

Hi Jennelle, Thanks for your email. I have been into Rootsweb.com and Ancestors.com but can still only find 21 children Many thanks John -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jenelle McCarrick Sent: Tuesday, 23 January 2007 3:52 PM To: aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HV] 32 CHILDREN John, I just went into the www.rootsweb.com world connect page, there are 2 submissions there with email contact, one has 21 children listed, might be worth a look. If you've not used it before, I just did a search for SURNAME King, then Richard, heaps came up on spouse side type in Locock, if you can't find it, let me know I'll send you the link. A google search on Richard King and Camilla locock, Cessnock produced a hit by someone looking back in 2001 for this family. Jenelle. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Rice" <jrice@westnet.com.au> To: <aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 1:52 AM Subject: Re: [HV] 32 CHILDREN

----- Original Message ----- From: "John Rice" <jrice@westnet.com.au> To: <aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 2:16 AM Subject: [HV] 32 CHILDREN > Hi Listers, > > > > I am researching my GG granduncle, Richard King b1838 > and his wife Camilla > Locock b1843. They were married in 1859 at Hexham. I > have seen reports in > various internet sites that they had 32 children. I have > found 21 in the BDM > records, the 1st child born in 1860 and the last child > born in 1889. I > believe they resided in the Cessnock area. > Hi John There are some KING entries in Pat MAYs Huntervalleygenealogy surname lists including 2 for Cessnock http://www.huntervalleygenealogy.com/fam_kl.php Bye MargM Hunter Valley List Admin

Hi John. 32 Children - Streuth. Fair enough not having TV in those days, but surely there must have been some sort of other entertainment to keep those folks out of trouble ! I suggest you try contacting Newcastle Library and also some of the Family Hist. places around the Upper Hunter Region. Good luck in your endeavors. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Rice" <jrice@westnet.com.au> To: <aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 2:16 AM Subject: [HV] 32 CHILDREN

Hi Gary, The children I have found so far are all from the Maitland area, bar 1 who was their 1st born in Wollongong. Thanks for your email Regards John -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Gary Bond Sent: Tuesday, 23 January 2007 4:26 PM To: 'aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com' Subject: [HV] 32 children Hi John A very interesting problem!! Just a thought, when I was going through the NSW BDM for my WHEATLEYs I found 12 children with the right Father and Mother. However on further checking I noticed that half were born in Redfern or there abouts and the others in the North Sydney area. As my mob came from North Sydney I concluded that I was looking at two entirely different families. Any chance that you are having the same problem?? Gary in Sydney ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

John Transcripts are a lot cheaper and there are 3 transcription agents at least for NSW go to NSW BDM and you will find them I use Marilyn Rowan http://www.marbract.com.au/ may use Joy http://www.joymurrin.com.au/NSW%20BDM%20TRANSCRIPTIONS.htm Christene

I have heard of this family, and that there was official congratulations from royalty for their effort. My understanding was that he had more than one wife. Have you checked the Cessnock Pioneer Register? John G (residing not far from Cessnock) >I am researching my GG granduncle, Richard King b1838 and his wife Camilla >Locock b1843. They were married in 1859 at Hexham. I have seen reports in >various internet sites that they had 32 children. I have found 21 in the >BDM >records, the 1st child born in 1860 and the last child born in 1889. I >believe they resided in the Cessnock area.

John, As this isn't your main line you may not want to be spending any money finding out who these 32 children were. BUT, if you are, maybe pick a few births at intervals and obtain transcripts - previously born siblings should be shown. Another source might be obituaries - if Richard and Camilla died in the Maitland area, you would expect to find a good newspaper article about the family. Yvonne Scrivener Wagga Wagga NSW Australia -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Rice Sent: Thursday, 25 January 2007 3:21 AM To: aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HV] 32 CHILDREN Hi Yvonne, Thanks again for your help. Will try your suggestion Regards John -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Yvonne Scrivener Sent: Tuesday, 23 January 2007 1:51 PM To: aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HV] 32 CHILDREN John, Have you looked for deaths of any of the children? I haven't worked on my NSW families for some time now, but I do recall finding some children's deaths recorded in the NSW BDMs, but no births. I haven't bought the death certificates, but guess that maybe the deaths occurred very quickly following or during the birth. Yvonne Scrivener Wagga Wagga NSW Australia -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Rice Sent: Thursday, 25 January 2007 2:46 AM To: aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HV] 32 CHILDREN Hi Yvonne, The 21 children I found were all single births. I am wondering if some may have been adopted ? Regards John ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________ NOD32 2000 (20070123) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com

John, I just went into the www.rootsweb.com world connect page, there are 2 submissions there with email contact, one has 21 children listed, might be worth a look. If you've not used it before, I just did a search for SURNAME King, then Richard, heaps came up on spouse side type in Locock, if you can't find it, let me know I'll send you the link. A google search on Richard King and Camilla locock, Cessnock produced a hit by someone looking back in 2001 for this family. Jenelle. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Rice" <jrice@westnet.com.au> To: <aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 1:52 AM Subject: Re: [HV] 32 CHILDREN > Hi Judy, > I am hoping a relation may see this and advise the names of the children. > I > don't know if they could fit that many names on a certificate > Regards > John > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-nsw-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-nsw-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of judy > waterer > Sent: Tuesday, 23 January 2007 1:35 PM > To: aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [HV] 32 CHILDREN > > Hi John, > > The death of a Camilla King (daughter of Thomas and Lucy) was reg. at > Wollombi, No. 2990 in 1914. Is this the one? > Her death cert., or a transcription, should give info on all the > children, provided the informant knew of course. > HTH > Judy. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.8/649 - Release Date: 23/01/2007 > 8:40 PM > >

Hi Yvonne, I am hoping with a bit of luck I maybe able to obtain the answers I am looking for, on this website list. I may have to spend money at a later date on certificates. Regards John -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Yvonne Scrivener Sent: Tuesday, 23 January 2007 2:55 PM To: aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HV] 32 CHILDREN John, As this isn't your main line you may not want to be spending any money finding out who these 32 children were. BUT, if you are, maybe pick a few births at intervals and obtain transcripts - previously born siblings should be shown. Another source might be obituaries - if Richard and Camilla died in the Maitland area, you would expect to find a good newspaper article about the family. Yvonne Scrivener Wagga Wagga NSW Australia -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Rice Sent: Thursday, 25 January 2007 3:21 AM To: aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HV] 32 CHILDREN

hi Did you look at the deaths and match them Camilla is given some variations Commella Cornelia Comalla etc try King just with Richard and C* for the mum I see that they had a few children named after a dead sibling.....as in at least 2 Marys Christene

Now that would be a big table and a big turkey for Christmas I thought my Hannah Taper with 62 grqdchikdren wsa good this leaves me stunned either parents death certs would give you a clue...and maybe a headsone surely there are spme descendents out there working as well good luck Christene

Sometimes, if an unmarried daughter had a child, the baby was registered with parents' names which were actually the names of the baby's grandparents! Look closely at the later births. Is there a cross reference? A birth registration place different from the usual place of abode? Jan On 25/01/2007, at 2:16 AM, John Rice wrote: > Hi Listers, > > > > I am researching my GG granduncle, Richard King b1838 and his wife > Camilla > Locock b1843. They were married in 1859 at Hexham. I have seen > reports in > various internet sites that they had 32 children. I have found 21 in > the BDM > records, the 1st child born in 1860 and the last child born in 1889. I > believe they resided in the Cessnock area. > > Does any other lister have any info re this family ? > > Many thanks > > John Rice > > Hervey Bay Qld > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

John, Have you looked for deaths of any of the children? I haven't worked on my NSW families for some time now, but I do recall finding some children's deaths recorded in the NSW BDMs, but no births. I haven't bought the death certificates, but guess that maybe the deaths occurred very quickly following or during the birth. Yvonne Scrivener Wagga Wagga NSW Australia -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Rice Sent: Thursday, 25 January 2007 2:46 AM To: aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HV] 32 CHILDREN Hi Yvonne, The 21 children I found were all single births. I am wondering if some may have been adopted ? Regards John -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Yvonne Scrivener Sent: Tuesday, 23 January 2007 1:29 PM To: aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HV] 32 CHILDREN John, Does this family of yours have a history of multiple births? 32 pregnancies seems excessive, but a few sets of twins, triplets etc may well account for the number. Let us know when you work it all out - I'm intrigued! Yvonne Scrivener Wagga Wagga NSW Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Rice" <jrice@westnet.com.au> To: <aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 2:16 AM Subject: [HV] 32 CHILDREN ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________ NOD32 2000 (20070123) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com

Hi Jennette, Thank you for your email and I will try your suggestion. I agree that it must be sad to have so many die at such a young age. Regards John -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jennette Gest Sent: Tuesday, 23 January 2007 2:18 PM To: aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HV] 32 CHILDREN Hi John If you put in the online deaths King Father Richard & mother Cam* will bring some up & Com* check up to 1976. It must of been very hard to have so many but to have a lot of them die as babies even harder. Jennette Gest nee Byrne QLD AUS jgest@tpg.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Rice" <jrice@westnet.com.au> To: <aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 1:16 AM Subject: [HV] 32 CHILDREN

Oh well it must be true, I think I would want more than a mantle clock for having 32 children. Must be in the guiness book of records surely. Kaye www.bananatv.com/familytreechecklist.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Rice" <jrice@westnet.com.au> To: <aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 2:37 AM Subject: Re: [HV] 32 CHILDREN > Hi Kaye > There was an article in the Cessnock Eagle 28 OCT 1949 about the 32 > children > but the copy of the article I received is barely readable. One researcher > in > Rootsweb said that they received a mantle clock from Queen Victoria. > Regards

Hi John, The death of a Camilla King (daughter of Thomas and Lucy) was reg. at Wollombi, No. 2990 in 1914. Is this the one? Her death cert., or a transcription, should give info on all the children, provided the informant knew of course. HTH Judy. John Rice wrote: >I am researching my GG granduncle, Richard King b1838 and his wife Camilla >Locock b1843. They were married in 1859 at Hexham. I have seen reports in >various internet sites that they had 32 children. I have found 21 in the BDM >records, the 1st child born in 1860 and the last child born in 1889. I >believe they resided in the Cessnock area. > > >

John, Does this family of yours have a history of multiple births? 32 pregnancies seems excessive, but a few sets of twins, triplets etc may well account for the number. Let us know when you work it all out - I'm intrigued! Yvonne Scrivener Wagga Wagga NSW Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Rice" <jrice@westnet.com.au> To: <aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 2:16 AM Subject: [HV] 32 CHILDREN > Hi Listers, > > > > I am researching my GG granduncle, Richard King b1838 and his wife Camilla > Locock b1843. They were married in 1859 at Hexham. I have seen reports in > various internet ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________ NOD32 2000 (20070123) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com

Hi Yvonne, Thanks again for your help. Will try your suggestion Regards John -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Yvonne Scrivener Sent: Tuesday, 23 January 2007 1:51 PM To: aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HV] 32 CHILDREN John, Have you looked for deaths of any of the children? I haven't worked on my NSW families for some time now, but I do recall finding some children's deaths recorded in the NSW BDMs, but no births. I haven't bought the death certificates, but guess that maybe the deaths occurred very quickly following or during the birth. Yvonne Scrivener Wagga Wagga NSW Australia -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Rice Sent: Thursday, 25 January 2007 2:46 AM To: aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HV] 32 CHILDREN Hi Yvonne, The 21 children I found were all single births. I am wondering if some may have been adopted ? Regards John

Are you sure they are all theirs????? Seems like a hell of a lot of children. Maybe their son married a woman with the same Christian name as his mother and they had some...............Just a thought. Kaye www.bananatv.com/familytreechecklist.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Rice" <jrice@westnet.com.au> To: <aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 2:16 AM Subject: [HV] 32 CHILDREN > Hi Listers, > > > > I am researching my GG granduncle, Richard King b1838 and his wife Camilla > Locock b1843. They were married in 1859 at Hexham. I have seen reports in > various internet