Thanks for that Terry. The family had no idea he was married previously. All the information you have given is the same as the marriage certificate including parents, which I have, except for under "Conjugal Status" he states "Settler". I have managed to find his first wife (another Sarah) who was a widow having come to the colony with her first husband and 2 children in 1849. The Maun threw me a bit but must have been a transcription error as his first wife's death index gives the name as Mann. Didn't keep his bed cold for too long did he!! Still can't find his arrival in Australia. We think about 1838 according to length of time in the colony on his death. BTW is it usual to have differing dates? My certificate gives 8 July 1862 and yours is 20 August 1862. Maybe Banns or something? Regards Wendy Lindsay Mackay, Queensland ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry" <call@hunterlink.net.au> To: <aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 1:39 PM Subject: Re: [HV] Mann / Maun > > Hi, > > The 'Wollombi District Anglican Marriages 1856 - 1900' has the following > interesting entry:- > > 20 August 1862 at St. John's Wollombi; > William MAUN Widower, (wife died 15 Aug 1862) born England age 39 yrs and > Sarah TILLY age 16 years born Patricks Plains. > Grooms Parents: Robert MAUN and Mary Ann Sizeland; > Brides Parents: John TILLY and Catherine. > Witnesses: James SMITH and Esther SMITH > > Htioi > > Terry > > home.pacific.net.au/~tandd > > > Hi Sharon > I notice you are researching a Mann family. My husband has William Edward > Mann b abt 1823 UK who married Sarah Lilley/Lilly 8 Jul 1862 Wollombi. > William died 19 Jan 1888 in Tamworth. Any link? > Cheers Wendy > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

A list of the children can be found on Rootweb's World Connect Project and on Ancestry.com. There are only 21 children listed. ..· ´¨¨)) -:¦:- ¸.·´ .·´¨¨)) ((¸¸.·´ ..·´ -:¦:- -:¦:- ((¸¸.·´*.` Jenny McCarthy Brightwaters N.S.W. on beautiful Lake Macquarie

Thanks Tracey for your help. Regards, Allie > >Hi Allie> Yes the house is still there. Now there is a newer one built in the same> design on the lower side of McGrane Street. It was actually a hospital> before the doctors residence.> Cheers> Tracey> _________________________________________________________________ Be one of the first to try Windows Live Mail. http://ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionId=5d21c51a-b161-4314-9b0e-4911fb2b2e6d

Hi, The 'Wollombi District Anglican Marriages 1856 - 1900' has the following interesting entry:- 20 August 1862 at St. John's Wollombi; William MAUN Widower, (wife died 15 Aug 1862) born England age 39 yrs and Sarah TILLY age 16 years born Patricks Plains. Grooms Parents: Robert MAUN and Mary Ann Sizeland; Brides Parents: John TILLY and Catherine. Witnesses: James SMITH and Esther SMITH Htioi Terry home.pacific.net.au/~tandd Hi Sharon I notice you are researching a Mann family. My husband has William Edward Mann b abt 1823 UK who married Sarah Lilley/Lilly 8 Jul 1862 Wollombi. William died 19 Jan 1888 in Tamworth. Any link? Cheers Wendy

Like Brian and many others, I too would be interested to read a list of all the "KING" children's names. Regards, Jill ----------------- At 01:06 PM 25/01/2007, you wrote: >Jenny, >Have you got a list of the children, I could not find them on rootsweb as >you suggested. >My Son -In - Law is a KING from Muswellbrook. > >Brian M Morley >Ipswich Queensland Australia

Hi Listers, If you wish to see names of children try ancestry.co.uk and put in Camella Locock and you will find entries for her. Camella was Richard King wife Regards John Rice

Jenny, Have you got a list of the children, I could not find them on rootsweb as you suggested. My Son -In - Law is a KING from Muswellbrook. Brian M Morley Ipswich Queensland Australia -------Original Message------- From: Jenny McCarthy Date: 24/01/07 18:47:21 To: aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HV] King Family I found this article from the Maitland Mercury on a CD I hold: LARGEST FAMILY IN AUSTRALIA BELONGS TO A MT VIEW COUPLE Richard and Camilla King

On working out the dates mentioned in the article, I assume it was written around 1916 ..· ´¨¨)) -:¦:- ¸.·´ .·´¨¨)) ((¸¸.·´ ..·´ -:¦:- -:¦:- ((¸¸.·´*.` Jenny McCarthy Brightwaters N.S.W. on beautiful Lake Macquarie

Couldn't be before 1900. As the article says: "The above facts have been brought under the notice of the Prime Minister of Australia and the ...." , it must be after 29 March 1901 when Edmund Barton became the first Prime Minister of Australia. Also the article records: Writing to the editor of The Globe Mr King says:- " I was eight years of age when I arrived in Australia [ possibly 1844] and my wife thirteen [1856]. We were married at Hexham NSW. [1859] We have been married fifty three years on the 2nd of August 1910 and my wife, who gave birth to thirty children, was seventy three on the 31st January last. I was seventy eight on the 1st September." While the ages don't appear, at a cursory glance, to tally, I would tend to suggest 1910 as the year of the article. The language pattern could indicate it was written after 31 Jan 1910 and before 2 Aug 1910. Jan On 25/01/2007, at 8:44 AM, Jenny McCarthy wrote: > There is no date on the article in the Maitland Mercury but it must > have > been before 1900 > > > ..· ´¨¨)) -:¦:- > ¸.·´ .·´¨¨)) > ((¸¸.·´ ..·´ -:¦:- > -:¦:- ((¸¸.·´*.` > Jenny McCarthy > Brightwaters N.S.W. > on beautiful Lake Macquarie > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

It would appear that the article in the Maitland Mercury was published in 1916. I have found that both Richard and Camilla King are buried in Ellalong Cemetery ..· ´¨¨)) -:¦:- ¸.·´ .·´¨¨)) ((¸¸.·´ ..·´ -:¦:- -:¦:- ((¸¸.·´*.` Jenny McCarthy Brightwaters N.S.W. on beautiful Lake Macquarie

Dear Jenny, I found the article very interesting, thank you for posting it. Marie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenny McCarthy" <bardensbay@exemail.com.au> To: <aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [HV] King Family There is no date on the article in the Maitland Mercury but it must have been before 1900 ..· ´¨¨)) -:¦:- ¸.·´ .·´¨¨)) ((¸¸.·´ ..·´ -:¦:- -:¦:- ((¸¸.·´*.` Jenny McCarthy Brightwaters N.S.W. on beautiful Lake Macquarie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.8/649 - Release Date: 23/01/07 8:40 PM

There is no date on the article in the Maitland Mercury but it must have been before 1900 ..· ´¨¨)) -:¦:- ¸.·´ .·´¨¨)) ((¸¸.·´ ..·´ -:¦:- -:¦:- ((¸¸.·´*.` Jenny McCarthy Brightwaters N.S.W. on beautiful Lake Macquarie

Hi Jenny, Thank you for your time and effort you put into the article re the King family and their children It made great reading Regards John Rice -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jenny McCarthy Sent: Wednesday, 24 January 2007 12:47 AM To: aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HV] King Family

Jenny has the article got the date on it? Marie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenny McCarthy" <bardensbay@exemail.com.au> To: <aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 7:47 PM Subject: Re: [HV] King Family I found this article from the Maitland Mercury on a CD I hold: LARGEST FAMILY IN AUSTRALIA BELONGS TO A MT VIEW COUPLE Richard and Camilla King The search initiated by The Globe with a view to locating the largest family in Australia has revealed one of thirty. They are Mr and Mrs Richard King of Mt View via Cessnock NSW. The above facts have been brought under the notice of the Prime Minister of Australia and the Acting Premier of NSW. These gentlemen believe that "the baby is the best Immigrant" and no doubt recognise in some way the largest family in Australia. Writing to the editor of The Globe Mr King says:- "I desire to state that I came from Oxfordshire England and my wife came from Somersetshire. I was eight years of age when I arrived in Australia and my wife thirteen. We were married at Hexham NSW. We have been married fifty three years on the 2nd of August 1910 and my wife, who gave birth to thirty children, was seventy three on the 31st January last. I was seventy eight on the 1st September. When we had been married three months we were both engaged by Mr John Manning to go to Twofold Bay. My wife has given birth to thirty children, twenty eight of which were christened. The other two (twins) did not live. The first child was born on the steamer travelling from Twofold Bay to Sydney. We had three children born on the Prince of Wales' Birthday in different years, and two born on the Queen's Birthday." So far this appears to be the largest family in Australia. In order, however, that there be no doubt, the award will not be made for six weeks. If in that period we do not hear of a larger family the award will be made. (Richard was presented with a clock from Queen Victoria) It will be revealed that, when The Globe search for the largest family in Australia commenced, we published a portrait of Mr and Mrs Perkins of Hull England who have twenty eight children. This was held to be the largest family in the Kingdom. If that is so, it would appear that Australia has the honour of being the home of the parents of the largest white family in the Empire, because, though we searched all the available records, we cannot find a trace of any family that approaches even the English record. In France, the home of small family circles, strange to say, there are several over twenty, and in Germany there are at least two of twenty five. To France, if you can believe what is written in stone, goes the honour of being the birthplace of the Mother of the largest family the world has ever known. There is preserved in The Carnavalet Museum, an old tombstone taken from the old cemetery of St Marcel in Paris. It bears the inscription:- " Here lies the mother of fifty one children and all poor, Charlotte Beauleau, wife of Charles Brorport aged eighty April 6 1807" Taken from The Maitland Mercury ..· ´¨¨)) -:¦:- ¸.·´ .·´¨¨)) ((¸¸.·´ ..·´ -:¦:- -:¦:- ((¸¸.·´*.` Jenny McCarthy Brightwaters N.S.W. on beautiful Lake Macquarie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.8/649 - Release Date: 23/01/07 8:40 PM

Hi Tracie Attached is my Jaeger info so far! Smiles Sharon Healey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tracie King" <shaneking@ozemail.com.au> To: <AUS-NSW-Hunter-Valley-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 10:00 PM Subject: [HV] Jaeger Family > Is anyone researching the Jaeger family I am trying to connect a Jaeger to > our family as they came from the same area as mine in Singleton but it > seems > the further I go the more in the mud I get. > > > > So far I have got > > > > Charles JAGEAR married Amy Jones in Wickham 1923, then I got his death > Charles Frederick JAEGER died 1964 in Belmont son of Edward Peter and > Annie > Maria. On searching I have found Charles Frederick Jaeger war records > which > says he was born in Belmont 1903 > > > > Then I found Charles F Jaegear born in Singleton 1903 to Annie M no > mention > of a father, I kept searching and found Annie married to Edward J Woolmer. > Then found the death of Annie which says her parents were Cornelius and > Mary > Elizabeth. > > > > There is a marriage for a Cornelius Jaeger and Mary A Swan in Singleton > 1897. In 1909 there is a death for a CORNELIUS W son of William and Annie > M > at West Maitland. > > > > I can't find any mention of an Annie Jaeger being born to CORNELIUS so I > am > not sure if I am up the right tree. > > > > I need to find out if Annie was the Jaeger and if her parents were William > and Annie M. > > > > Any help would be very much appreciated. > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > Tracie King > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hmmmm...the 51 children is a stretch if one does the maths, unless there were MANY multiple births. My own great-great grandmother had 2 sets of twins within her own family of 12, so that is always possible. But 51?..... Louise ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenny McCarthy" <bardensbay@exemail.com.au> To: <aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 7:47 PM Subject: Re: [HV] King Family I found this article from the Maitland Mercury on a CD I hold: LARGEST FAMILY IN AUSTRALIA BELONGS TO A MT VIEW COUPLE Richard and Camilla King The search initiated by The Globe with a view to locating the largest family in Australia has revealed one of thirty. They are Mr and Mrs Richard King of Mt View via Cessnock NSW. The above facts have been brought under the notice of the Prime Minister of Australia and the Acting Premier of NSW. These gentlemen believe that "the baby is the best Immigrant" and no doubt recognise in some way the largest family in Australia. Writing to the editor of The Globe Mr King says:- "I desire to state that I came from Oxfordshire England and my wife came from Somersetshire. I was eight years of age when I arrived in Australia and my wife thirteen. We were married at Hexham NSW. We have been married fifty three years on the 2nd of August 1910 and my wife, who gave birth to thirty children, was seventy three on the 31st January last. I was seventy eight on the 1st September. When we had been married three months we were both engaged by Mr John Manning to go to Twofold Bay. My wife has given birth to thirty children, twenty eight of which were christened. The other two (twins) did not live. The first child was born on the steamer travelling from Twofold Bay to Sydney. We had three children born on the Prince of Wales' Birthday in different years, and two born on the Queen's Birthday." So far this appears to be the largest family in Australia. In order, however, that there be no doubt, the award will not be made for six weeks. If in that period we do not hear of a larger family the award will be made. (Richard was presented with a clock from Queen Victoria) It will be revealed that, when The Globe search for the largest family in Australia commenced, we published a portrait of Mr and Mrs Perkins of Hull England who have twenty eight children. This was held to be the largest family in the Kingdom. If that is so, it would appear that Australia has the honour of being the home of the parents of the largest white family in the Empire, because, though we searched all the available records, we cannot find a trace of any family that approaches even the English record. In France, the home of small family circles, strange to say, there are several over twenty, and in Germany there are at least two of twenty five. To France, if you can believe what is written in stone, goes the honour of being the birthplace of the Mother of the largest family the world has ever known. There is preserved in The Carnavalet Museum, an old tombstone taken from the old cemetery of St Marcel in Paris. It bears the inscription:- " Here lies the mother of fifty one children and all poor, Charlotte Beauleau, wife of Charles Brorport aged eighty April 6 1807" Taken from The Maitland Mercury ..· ´¨¨)) -:¦:- ¸.·´ .·´¨¨)) ((¸¸.·´ ..·´ -:¦:- -:¦:- ((¸¸.·´*.` Jenny McCarthy Brightwaters N.S.W. on beautiful Lake Macquarie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Is anyone researching the Jaeger family I am trying to connect a Jaeger to our family as they came from the same area as mine in Singleton but it seems the further I go the more in the mud I get. So far I have got Charles JAGEAR married Amy Jones in Wickham 1923, then I got his death Charles Frederick JAEGER died 1964 in Belmont son of Edward Peter and Annie Maria. On searching I have found Charles Frederick Jaeger war records which says he was born in Belmont 1903 Then I found Charles F Jaegear born in Singleton 1903 to Annie M no mention of a father, I kept searching and found Annie married to Edward J Woolmer. Then found the death of Annie which says her parents were Cornelius and Mary Elizabeth. There is a marriage for a Cornelius Jaeger and Mary A Swan in Singleton 1897. In 1909 there is a death for a CORNELIUS W son of William and Annie M at West Maitland. I can't find any mention of an Annie Jaeger being born to CORNELIUS so I am not sure if I am up the right tree. I need to find out if Annie was the Jaeger and if her parents were William and Annie M. Any help would be very much appreciated. Thanks in advance Tracie King

I found this article from the Maitland Mercury on a CD I hold: LARGEST FAMILY IN AUSTRALIA BELONGS TO A MT VIEW COUPLE Richard and Camilla King The search initiated by The Globe with a view to locating the largest family in Australia has revealed one of thirty. They are Mr and Mrs Richard King of Mt View via Cessnock NSW. The above facts have been brought under the notice of the Prime Minister of Australia and the Acting Premier of NSW. These gentlemen believe that "the baby is the best Immigrant" and no doubt recognise in some way the largest family in Australia. Writing to the editor of The Globe Mr King says:- "I desire to state that I came from Oxfordshire England and my wife came from Somersetshire. I was eight years of age when I arrived in Australia and my wife thirteen. We were married at Hexham NSW. We have been married fifty three years on the 2nd of August 1910 and my wife, who gave birth to thirty children, was seventy three on the 31st January last. I was seventy eight on the 1st September. When we had been married three months we were both engaged by Mr John Manning to go to Twofold Bay. My wife has given birth to thirty children, twenty eight of which were christened. The other two (twins) did not live. The first child was born on the steamer travelling from Twofold Bay to Sydney. We had three children born on the Prince of Wales' Birthday in different years, and two born on the Queen's Birthday." So far this appears to be the largest family in Australia. In order, however, that there be no doubt, the award will not be made for six weeks. If in that period we do not hear of a larger family the award will be made. (Richard was presented with a clock from Queen Victoria) It will be revealed that, when The Globe search for the largest family in Australia commenced, we published a portrait of Mr and Mrs Perkins of Hull England who have twenty eight children. This was held to be the largest family in the Kingdom. If that is so, it would appear that Australia has the honour of being the home of the parents of the largest white family in the Empire, because, though we searched all the available records, we cannot find a trace of any family that approaches even the English record. In France, the home of small family circles, strange to say, there are several over twenty, and in Germany there are at least two of twenty five. To France, if you can believe what is written in stone, goes the honour of being the birthplace of the Mother of the largest family the world has ever known. There is preserved in The Carnavalet Museum, an old tombstone taken from the old cemetery of St Marcel in Paris. It bears the inscription:- " Here lies the mother of fifty one children and all poor, Charlotte Beauleau, wife of Charles Brorport aged eighty April 6 1807" Taken from The Maitland Mercury ..· ´¨¨)) -:¦:- ¸.·´ .·´¨¨)) ((¸¸.·´ ..·´ -:¦:- -:¦:- ((¸¸.·´*.` Jenny McCarthy Brightwaters N.S.W. on beautiful Lake Macquarie

>Hi Allie Yes the house is still there. Now there is a newer one built in the same design on the lower side of McGrane Street. It was actually a hospital before the doctors residence. Cheers Tracey Hi > Could someone who is familiar with Cessnock please let me know if the > house on the corner of McGrane Street, Cessnock is still there. I believe > it was called 'Glenmore', and at one time belonged to a doctor and used as > a private hospital, and afterwards was let for residential purposes. > > Thank you, > Allie > _________________________________________________________________ > Be one of the first to try Windows Live Mail. > http://ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionId=5d21c51a-b161-4314-9b0e-4911fb2b2e6d > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

John, This is quite a productive little thread you've got going today! Now I have a family where the mother's maiden name was variously spelled WELSH/WELSH/WELCH. Catherine WELSH married Samuel CORDWELL in Sydney in 1819. they later moved to the Hunter region, where Catherine died near Lochinvar in 1857. Her parents were Patrick and Julia WALSH. Any connection? Yvonne Scrivener Wagga Wagga NSW Australia -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Rice Sent: Thursday, 25 January 2007 10:12 AM To: aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HV] King Family Hi Jennelle, Yes, it is my Hannah that is in the rootsweb.com As you can see that is another story of its own. There are 3 spelling used in Hannah's family. Some spelt it as Walsh or Welsh and Welch. My mothers sister middle name was Welch, so this is the spelling I use in my tree. Regards John -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jenelle McCarrick Sent: Tuesday, 23 January 2007 7:45 PM To: aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HV] King Family John, if Hannah King was born in England, there are hits for this family in the www.rootsweb.com world connect page. the same place where I found Richard King/Camilla Locock. Jenelle. ----- Original Message ----- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________ NOD32 2001 (20070124) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com