Thank you to everyone who contacted me suggesting I try the Uniting Church Archives, I had done so previously and am awaiting the results. Regards Victor Moymow

Hi Everyone, Much excitement and activity today whilst I wasn't looking! Better post my interests: McDermott (Gurr, Dorney, Corrigan, O'Brien, McNamara, Coyne) Guy (Hadfield, Davis, Jenkins, Taylor) Hadfield (Guy, Magin, Williams, Quetcher, Sample, Crockett, Wilson, Sharpe, Berwick). McGuirk (Garland,Cassell, Rosevear) Lawrence (Lill, Keppie, Soper, Dare, Tremberth, Eastment, Armfield) Cheers, Sharon McDermott

Hello List, I would like to hear from anyone researching the family of John (1866-1928) & Barbara Apthorpe, nee Wheatley (1868-1942) they lived in the Kurri Kurri/Cessnock/West Maitland area and had 6 children: William 1891; Alma 1893; Reginald 1895; Henry 1899; Alice 1901; Hedley 1907. Look forward to hearing from you. Victor Moymow

I've been reading list input lately but like a number of other listers have not had a lot to add. However, I've been happily collecting information on my Hunter Valley families from the National Archives, NSW State Archives and the various armed service sites which if anyone has an interest in the families below I'm more than happy to share. To add more families to the current thread, my family which can be viewed at http://awt.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=SHOW <http://awt.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=SHOW&db=:3169387&recno=0&t i=5538> &db=:3169387&recno=0&ti=5538 includes the following Hunter Valley names: Heinrich BUFFIER (BOUFFIER on naturalisation in 1866) who arrived with wife Catherina Web(b)er and son Johannes on the Parland in 1849. They were part of the German families brought out to help establish the wine industry in the Hunter. Families in my direct line that the Buffiers/Bouffiers married into or who married into them include: GALVIN (James and Mary (O'Connor) from Clare Ireland arriving on the Garland in 1852 with Patrick, Michael and Mary). James was a farmer and is listed, I believe, at http://www.nswlocalhistory.com.au/singleton1885.htm . My grandfather Daniel Galvin, one of Michael Galvin and Catherine Flanagan's children, was, according to his birth certificate, born at Wybong Creek. Daniel was a miner, coal sinker and I believe a mine manager in the Hunter. Daniel married Catherine Bouffier, a granddaughter of Heinrich and Catherina. If anybody has an interest in the Galvins I've loaded part of a scan from their shipping records which shows where they came from and both sets of parent's details onto the Y-IRL site. I can forward the full scan on or you can join the Y-IRL group and view it there. I understood the Galvins were from Innes Clare but I'm not sure that's correct given the information on the scan. SMITH (Patrick who arrived I think on the Jessie in 1838) as an 18 year old. He was sponsored by William Rutland (King Billy). Patrick was from Blackwater Bridge, Cavan Ireland. Patrick married Mary SMITH. Patrick was a carrier and is listed in Grevilles for Cessnock. One of the interesting and sad items I collected recently was from NSW State Archives where I got a copy of bankruptcy papers for Patrick. Patrick and Mary's daughter, Mary Agnes Smith married Martin Bouffier, one of Heinrich and Catherina's sons. Martin remarried on Mary's death to Honorah McGrane daughter of Bernard McGrane. There were 16 children from Martin's two marriages so there have to be more relations scattered around the county side now. Mary Smith arrived on the George Fife in 1840 as a 10 year old. Her parents were John and Mary SMITH and they were from Ardnamurchan Scotland. John Smith was a farmer in the Hunter I believe, although with Smith as a surname it's proved difficult to get a lot of information about them. However, the same site above, nswlocalhistory, has a number of John Smiths listed in the Hunter. John and Mary's other children were Lachlan (18), Roderick (16), George (12), Margaret (9). I believe George lived in the Hunter because Patrick indicated when his creditors came calling that he had sold his brother in law George, his bullocks. I have been unable to trace Lachlan, Roderick or George, not being able to find them on a NSW marriage or death search or with listings to various boards, including the Australian Smiths board. All of these families were Catholics and I think my next step is to look for Catholic Church records/schooling etc. Having said that, there was a note about a Patrick Smith's involvement in a request made to the National Schools Board in 1866 for a school at Cessnock. This was in the book "Cessnock 1826-1954" which I think was written by William Broomfield. That book includes a lot of references to Hunter families. The 1866 request was supported by people of all denominations CE, RC and EC (whatever that last was). Other family names associated with the Bouffier family are: BRIDGE, CHAPPLE, BURKE (Martin and Mary's daughter's married into these families). ALEXANDER, ROOTS, POGNOSKI, MORSE, JORGENSEN, COTTER & BULL (Martin and Honorah's daughters married into these families). Joe Bouffier, Martin's brother married Grace McGrane, another of Bernard's daughters. Families their daughters married into include: PENTLAND, OSBORNE (A Pentland descendant has just made contact with me if anyone has an interest in this family). Finally, one of my mother's cousins was Frank HURLEY. If anyone has an interest in that family I would be keen to correspond. Not I hasten to add that I know anything more about the family than has been reported, but I would be interested in finding out whether they have any Bouffier information. I'm very keen to get any photos of the family. I have been sent photos of the various Bouffier and Smith gravestones in the Hunter Valley and was also sent very kindly by another lister, a photo of Martin Bouffier who was an early council man with Singleton Council. Happy to share these if anyone is interested. Best wishes all in your searches. Anne Whiteford

Hi Maureen Thank you for the reply. Yes that is our ETTINGER line. Philipp and Elizabetha's daughter Clara was my mother-in-law's grandmother. Clara (1859-1918 born at Hillend) married Lewis T Morris (1856-1912 born at sea) and their daughter Barbara Ettinger Morris married Thomas Hammond MOORE. Barbara and Thomas were my husband's grandparents. I would love any information you have on the descendants of Catherine and Franz. Many thanks Catherine Canberra ----- Original Message ----- From: "crawleybigpond.net.au" <crawley@bigpond.net.au> To: <marker@webone.com.au> Cc: <aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 5:16 PM Subject: ETTINGER > Catherine > > Is your Ettinger line from Phillip & Elizabeth (nee Schweikert) Ettinger? > Their daughter Catherine Mary Ettinger b 23/3/1856 Richmond NSW died > 22/7/1916 Maitland West. > > Catherine married Franz Joseph Herrmann (b 1853 Lorch Germany d 30/1/1921 > Sth Maitland) Franz was the nephew to my g-g-grandfather Kasper Joseph > Dreis. > > Franz parents Peter Herrmann & Clara Maria Dreis. Clara was born > 13/11/1813 Lorch German and died 1877 St George NSW) the family arrived in > Sydney aboard the 'Catteauz Watell' in 1855. After Franz & Catherine > married 25/8/1875 at Parramatta the family moved to the Maitland area > possibly to be with Catherines side of the family as the Hermann's stayed > in Sydney. > > Would you like details on the descendants of Franz & Catherine Herrmann > Maureen > Sunshine Coast Qld >

Hi Listers Unfortunately I have probably broken every copyright law in the State so will not post the complete story, instead I shall tell you where to find it and some other interesting bits and pieces. I am a member of both the Lake Macquarie & District Historical Society and the Lake Macquarie Family History Group. Both of these Associations have records on most of the information you require, I will ask JenM to fill you in on the details of the Family History Group as she is President of it. With the Historical Society I am Librarian and Treasurer. We are based at the Heritage Centre, Victory Parade, Toronto in the old Toronto Railway station on Greenway 1, we are open Sun and Wed afternoons 1-4pm, by arrangement touring groups etc can be catered for, our fees are simple (by donation), we are a registered not for profit Society and are self funded. We have an extensive collection (42 years worth) of photographs, newsclippings and books, which I have started indexing (became Librarian last Wednesday), we do not have the facilities (people, money or access) for internet exposure but I have tried to setup a form of online information with Ninemsn Groups and also an email address which is lmdhs@hotmail.com (notice it's free...lol) which I monitor. Recently I found a website that allows you to make your own online library of books http://www.librarything.com/ just type in the name or author and it fills in all the details for you, including ISBN and Dewey system, which I hope will make indexing the catalogue easier, once complete I will need to find out how to gain exposure of the finished (never finished) product. Hope this is not too off topic for the list MargM or out of bounds as I don't wish to tread on anyones toes, so I will apologise in advance if anyone is offended. MargaretB Lake Macquarie NSW Australia

Hi everyone I have been one of the fence sitters too. Well here goes - some of my families in the area are: PRYOR Maitland, Quirindi and other various Hunter Valley towns. Basically, descendants of James and his five children who arrived on the Orontes in 1838 I think it was. My lot come from the eldest son Thomas. Bouveng Middle Brook- Scone then Murrurundi Descended from Karl (Charles) Magnus Oscar Bouveng from Uppsala, Sweden. Crothers From Quirindi and surroundings areas. Bridget arrived with some of her children from Poyntzpass, Armagh, Ireland. The following are families connected to the above. DOWNEY, SHERRY, ROWLAND, YOUNG, MATTOCKS, BURGESS, FORDHAM, HICKS, SKELTON, GILL, SHELTON, KING, DEVINE,BUTLER & HEWITT Would love to hear from anyone interested. Vicki

Hi MargM Have we now broken the record for the most posts in two days? lol MargaretB Lake Macquarie NSW Australia You have broken the record for the least number of messages posted to the Hunter Valley list ....to date there have been just 7 for March

Replied to Ralph off list MargaretB Lake Macquarie NSW Australia

Hi Liz Was your Charles Humphrey a boat builder? MargaretB Lake Macquarie NSW Australia

Hi John Just logged on and haven't had time to check my records yet, I will get back to the list with what information I have on your requests. MargaretB Lake Macquarie NSW Australia

Hi everyone My Hunter Valley research interests are shown below. I have quite a lot of information but always love to make contact with new descendants and researchers and share information. My brickwall is that I have never been able to find a death record for Margaret BEATTIE (nee LONG), wife of David BEATTIE of Singleton (please see below) so if anyone could help me with this I would be very grateful. Thanks Rosemary 1. Families of Phillip THORLEY and Mary GRIFFITHS 2. Families of two brothers, David BEATTIE and William BEATTIE David BEATTIE b about 1818 Tyrone, Ireland d 1898, Singleton, NSW m Margaret LONG 1848 Fintona, Ireland William BEATTIE b about 1813 Tyrone, Ireland d 1878, Phoenix Park, NSW m Sarah CUTHBERTSON 1839 Fintona, Ireland Some surnames related through marriage to the BEATTIE brothers: BOYD, CARTER, DUGAN, DYETT, FARLEY, FINKE, GALE, HARBORNE, HATCHER, HELLYER, HEUSTON, HORNE, MCGOWAN, MOXHAM, MURRIE, NEEMS, PARMETER, PARTRIDGE, REARDON, RICHARDSON, SIM, STEWART, STUBBS, THORLEY, THRIFT

Re Methodist Archives Uniting Church (New South Wales Synod) Church Records and Historical Society, Archives and Research Centre Address 3 Blackwood Place, North Parramatta 2151 Postal Address PO Box 2395, North Parramatta 2151 Telephone (02) 9683-3147 Open Mon and Tues 9:15am-3:45pm. On 20/03/2007, at 2:01 PM, Michael Wise wrote: > Hi John and Kieth, > Try to locate the Methodist Church > Archives,you > might get lucky,years ago I got a diary entry from them on someone > connected > with the subject church. the details have long gone from my records. > Cheers, Michael > .

Maureen, I was an apprentice at Cardiff Railway Workshops 1962 to 1968. One of my colleagues was John Plumridge who I think came from the Waratah area. Haven't heard of him in 40 years though Phillip Carruthers Brisbane, Australia +617 3273 5531 . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Saunders" <peters41@bigpond.net.au> To: <AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 8:37 AM Subject: [HV] PLUMRIDGE SURNAME > Hi Listers, > > I am researching the PLUMRIDGE surname, particularly in the > Newcastle/Hunter > Valley area. It is not a very common name in Australia, and I would be > interested to hear from any listers with connections to the name, or > anyone > who may know or have known anyone of that surname. > > TIA, > Maureen. > > Researching Hunter Valley Names - > PLUMRIDGE, HICKEY, SAUNDERS, EICHORN, WALTERBACK, GETTS, QUINN > > > > Surnames only typed in all caps are easier to read off a computer screen > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.13/726 - Release Date: > 18/03/2007 3:34 PM > >

Catherine Is your Ettinger line from Phillip & Elizabeth (nee Schweikert) Ettinger? Their daughter Catherine Mary Ettinger b 23/3/1856 Richmond NSW died 22/7/1916 Maitland West. Catherine married Franz Joseph Herrmann (b 1853 Lorch Germany d 30/1/1921 Sth Maitland) Franz was the nephew to my g-g-grandfather Kasper Joseph Dreis. Franz parents Peter Herrmann & Clara Maria Dreis. Clara was born 13/11/1813 Lorch German and died 1877 St George NSW) the family arrived in Sydney aboard the 'Catteauz Watell' in 1855. After Franz & Catherine married 25/8/1875 at Parramatta the family moved to the Maitland area possibly to be with Catherines side of the family as the Hermann's stayed in Sydney. Would you like details on the descendants of Franz & Catherine Herrmann Maureen Sunshine Coast Qld

Hullo list - Yes, yet another fence-sitter! I'm looking for any info about Patrick John KELLEHER who lived in High St Maitland in the war years. Can't find a birth altho' his marriage cert says he was born in Syd and estimated year would be c1888. The cert says his parents were James William KELLEHER, Labourer and Mary Elizabeth CASSIDY. Patrick owned or trained racehorses. He married Sarah Maggie SLYNEY in Leichardt in 1916 and they lived for some years in Sydney, Petersham was one place. She is my direct relative. Her parents were Edward SLYNEY and Sarah Elizabeth MORAN. Any info appreciated. TIA, Alice

Thanks MargM, I have a copy - Probate was granted 11 January, 1940 in an amount of Pds2981. 0. 8. Cheers Rex -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com ] On Behalf Of MargM Sent: Tuesday, 20 March 2007 4:34 p.m. To: AUS-NSW-Hunter-Valley@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HV] Albert Harman - probate packet etc ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rex M Roberts" <rxroberts@paradise.net.nz> To: <aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [HV] Wheatley & Harman Families > Hi Victor, > Albert [or Herbert as he was born] is my Great > Grand Uncle on the Harman side. Here is a copy of > some notes I have on him and a transcript of his > Death certificate > Hi Rex & Victor Your Albert HARMAN left a will , so should be a probate packet and deceased estate file out at NSW State Records, Kingswood . Some the Probate index fiche are hard to read and I cant make out the ref number , just wont focus Bye MargM Hunter Valley List Admin Surnames only typed in all caps are easier to read off a computer screen ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Margaret It was in the main street (Bridge St), on the right, when travelling north...... just before Brook Street. It was opposite what was Campbell's store (the clock tower is still there). I'm talking of the 1950's when my grandmother would take me there occasionally for an ice-cream. Liz P > > Thank you Liz, do you remember where abouts the cafe was located? What > year? > > thanks > Margaret Smith-White

Hi Victor, Albert [or Herbert as he was born] is my Great Grand Uncle on the Harman side. Here is a copy of some notes I have on him and a transcript of his Death certificate Albert's home at Oswald was 'Riverview' which was rebuilt by him uphill in 1904-06 following the destruction of the original home after being washed away in the 1895 flood. Lived in by his son Hamilton until 1966 when it was sold out of the family. Copy of the Death Entry registered as # 243 at West Maitland on 30 October, 1939 by C D DEWHAM, District Registrar held which records the death of Albert HARMAN on 27 October, 1939 at The Maitland Hospital, West Maitland Municipality, late of Oswald, Lochinvar, Kearsley Shire, aged 79, a Retired Farmer, born in Oswald, Lochinvar, NSW. Certifying Medical Attendant Dr P M SOLLING [Registered] who last saw him on 27 October, 1939. Father Walter HARMAN, Farmer and Mother Charlotte née ASHTON. Informant H C HARMAN, son of Oswald, Lochinvar. Methodist Funeral Service conducted 29 October, 1939 by Rev David McLOUGHLIN followed by burial at the Methodist Cemetery, Oswald. Witnesses O J CLARKE and I B YORK. Undertaker Henry H FRY of the firm of Fry Bros.. He was married at Bishop's Bridge, NSW to Elizabeth WHEATLEY at the age of 22 years. Children of the marriage Hamilton C 56 years, Ernest A 50, Hilda M 48, Mabel J 45, Harold C 35 living and two males and one female deceased. The following Obituary was published in the Maitland Mercury on Saturday, 28 October, 1939: MR A HARMAN DEATH OF OSWALD RESIDENT -etc etc I have a lot of data on the family which I would be delighted to exchange with you off list. Cheers, Rex Roberts, Waikanae Beach, Kapiti, NZ -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com ] On Behalf Of Victor & Keith Sent: Tuesday, 20 March 2007 12:48 p.m. To: aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com Subject: [HV] Wheatley & Harman Families I would like to make contact with anyone researching the Wheatley and Harman of Greta NSW.

I've turned up some interesting information on my GG uncle, Henry Joseph Cantwell, and his wife Ida Florence Wilks, and was wondering if anyone else has come across them. Henry Cantwell (b May 1896, Greta; d 13 Nov 1962) married Ida Florence Wiilks (b 1899 West Maitland, d 8 Aug 1990, Elizabeth Bay). He was the son of James Cantwell and Ellen Byrnes. On enlisting in the army at the start of WW1, he gave his occupation as a butcher. Fortunately for my research (and unfortunately for him), he was severely wounded during the war and I've now turned up years of paperwork from him and his wife to various Government departments about his treatment, pensions and the like. From these, I've discovered that Henry became a journalist with the Sun and the Sydney Morning Herald. By the 1950s, he was an editor with the SMH at the same time as his nephew John Kenneth Cantwell (more on him in a moment) was a proof reader on the paper. I've written to the SMH to see if they have any records or if there's anyone still around that remembers Henry but with no response to date. As for Henry's wife Ida, she gives her occupation as a violinist with the Sydney Symphony Orchestra, but again my efforts at finding out more have gone without response. Returning to John (Jack) Cantwell (born East Greta), he was an author and playwright who led an itinerant life. I've just turned up one of his books, Never a Closing Door, and from the dust jacket I've learned he was a dishwasher in London, a public bar pianist in Canada, London and elsewhere, a casual reporter for an Ontario (Canada) newspaper, and a proof reader for newspapers on three continents. Jack was in the RAAF during the war, apparently as a scriptwriter and announcer with Allied Forces Radio. I've also found out that he received a BA from Sydney University in 1948, and qualified as an English teacher but never taught. The circumstances of his death on 23 February 1966 at Potts Point are still sensitive with some family members so I won't go into details here, but I'd love to find out more about Jack as he was quite a flamboyant character from what I've learned so far. According to family tales, the Cantwells also had connections to the Maitland Mercury but I haven't been able to prove (or disprove) this so far. What makes this very interesting for me is I'm also a writer, poet and journalist (although I've given up the latter) who's travelled the world, worked in the press and on radio and, while working for the Singleton Argus some years back, also wrote for the Maitland Mercury. All without knowing the family history! Anyway, if anyone has come across these people, I'd appreciate them getting touch. Dennis PS I have time to write this as we're having fierce blizzards here in NE Scotland. It certainly makes a change from the Hunter. Dennis Johnstone Email: dennis@donjon1.demon.co.uk Blog: http://stonehead.wordpress.com