Hello Louise, You mentioned you had a book on Hunter Valley Inns and Inn Keepers, I wonder if you have any reference in there to the "Union Inn". I don't know where it was located in the Hunter, but I assume around Seaham, Clarencetown, area. Thanks in advance Judy

Good Afternoon, The history of German Immigration to NSW and the Hunter Valley is well documented. For example see:- Vondra, J. German Speaking Settlers in Australia. Patterson. J. Assisted and Unassisted German Immigrants to NSW. 1849 - 1859. Nadell, G. Letters from German Immigrants in NSW in RAHS Vol. 39 Part 15 1953. Parkes W.S. German Immigration to the Hunter Valley in the Mid-19th Century in Guilford, E. (ed.) Journal Of Hunter Valley History. Vol 2 No 1 1986. Williams, M. Non-British immigration to Australia during the 19th century. In Lemon & Pollock Studies in overseas settlement and population. Burkhardt, G. The Places of Origin of German Immigrants to NSW 1849 - 1860. State Archives In Brief No 50 German Migration and settlement in NSW. Cloos, P. & Tampke, J. Greetings from the Land where milk and honey flows. The German Emigration to NSW 1838 - 1858. -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of johngoswell@iprimus.com.au Sent: Wednesday, 21 March 2007 12:24 PM To: aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com Subject: [HV] German Immigration It appears to be generally not well known that there was a major recruitment program to bring German people to the Hunter Valley.

Hi All Must admit I'm a fence sitter , just doing my thing then "whamo"... Alongs comes Heather . Most helpful with my Craft enquiry... o.k we are related via them somewhere along the line ...oh no! I mention the surname Gill in one of our emails and you guessed it we are related again.. Great news another cousin This List is fantastic so thanks MargM for turning the "heat up" on using the list more Looking forward to finding more cousins Regards Bev

Hello John I have a Welch line in my tree. Nicholas Lister Welch married Maria ? They had a son Nicholas Lister Welch born 4.10.1895, I don't know where, but died 1963 in Wallsend. and he married Ruby Rebecca Hill, the sister of my grandmother. They had 2 children Artherine "Enie" Welch and Josie Welch. I don't know if they fit into your family at all? According to the Pioneer Cemetery listing for Raymond Terrace, there are a couple of burials - these may help you. WELCH, George, died 13.3.1857, infant, son of Joseph and Hannah WELCH, Patrick, d 23.3.1858, Infant, son of John and Ann WELSH, James, d 19.8.1856, infant, son of Patrick and Catherine WELSH, Jeffery, d 7.8.1872, 37 yrs, born Tipperary regards Judy

Hi listers, I've just returned to Newcastle from Queensland and picked up the end thread of German immigration. If anyone can shed some light for me please on my family line: Peter Wilhelm RASELL/RASSEL b abt.1817 and his wife (maiden name) Marian Maglena PREINSER b1823, later to be known as Peter William RUSSEL/RUSSELL and Mary Margaret RUSSEL/RUSSELL arrived on the ship "Beulah" in 1849. He was a vine-dresser and she was a straw bonnett maker and they came with the German emigrants to help start/upgrade the wine industry in Australia with their skills, Sailing with them was a daughter Regina Wilhelmina Justina RASSEL b1843 who later married a Frederick ARENDT in Bathurst in 1861. Another daughter Margarita RASSEL b1847 in Germany died on the voyage in 1849 aboad the "Beulah" and was "buried at sea". A further nine children were born in Australia and Marian/Mary remarried a Thomas MANNELL in Bathurst in 1881 following the death of her husband Peter in 1860 in Bathurst. Question: As they were brought out to Australia for the wine industry, who employed them and where did they work and under what conditions? It seems that a lot of the action centred around the Bathurst area. Can anyone help? Neal McCormack leahm@telpacific.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: <aus-nsw-hunter-valley-request@rootsweb.com> To: <aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 5:52 AM Subject: AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY Digest, Vol 2, Issue 68 > > > [HV] > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Must have been something in the water ! (MargM) > 2. Re: Books We Have Read (Perplexed) > 3. Re: Books We Have Read (Louise Reynolds) > 4. Re: PLUMRIDGE SURNAME (John) > 5. Re: Missed all the excitement!!! (Brian M Morley) > 6. Interesting people - Cantwells and Wilks (Dennis Johnstone) > 7. Henry REEVES (guardsue2006-centralcoastnsw@yahoo.com.au) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 22:55:18 +1100 > From: "MargM" <genknut@optusnet.com.au> > Subject: Re: [HV] Must have been something in the water ! > To: <aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <013401c76ae6$aa103640$0201010a@ownerc72bf9569> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MargaretB" <mbergies@kooee.com.au> > To: <aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 8:16 PM > Subject: Re: [HV] Has everyone given genealogy the flick ? > > >> Hi MargM >> >> Have we now broken the record for the most posts in two >> days? lol >> > Hello MargaretB > > My quick count is 92 . What an amazing difference > Thanks for all your input . Still alot sitting on the > fence though . > > So how about all the subscribers who have never posted > anything introduce yourselves ?? Easily be cousins out > here who dont know you're there > > > Sweet dreams ...................... ! > > > Bye > MargM > Hunter Valley List Admin > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 23:16:22 +1100 > From: "Perplexed" <awhitefo@bigpond.net.au> > Subject: Re: [HV] Books We Have Read > To: <aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <001d01c76ae9$92dd4f50$7400a8c0@MAINPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I would be very interested in the German Immigration (my > Buffier/Bouffiers) came from the Wiesbaden area in 1849 (on the Parland > which brought many German families out). > > I'm also interested in the Scottish influence with John and Mary Smith > and their 5 children arriving from Ardnamurchan in 1840. > > I would be very grateful if a scanned copy could be sent (if possible). > My email address is > > awhitefo@bigpond.net.au. > > I live in Canberra and if you want any records/information from the > National Library I would be happy to get it for you. > > Cheers > > Anne Whiteford > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-nsw-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-nsw-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Louise > Reynolds > Sent: Tuesday, 20 March 2007 12:58 PM > To: aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com > Subject: [HV] Books We Have Read > > Hello all, > > Alas, the only Hunter Valley associated book I have in my library is a > volume of the Journal of Hunter Valley History - 1986. > > The articles are: > > 1/. German Immigration to the Hunter in the mid 19th C > > 2/. John Earl of Glenridding > > 3/. Hunter Valley Inns and Innkeepers > > 4/. Enduring Fabric: Life and Society in the Upper Hunter > > 5/. Impressions of Early Newcastle, 1825-1840 > > 6/. John Gillies, Member for Maitland > > 7/. Government Cottages at Hunter River > > 8/. Charles Hughes: An Early Innkeeper at Newcastle, Maitland and Black > Creek > > 9/. Scottish Influence in the Upper Hunter > > If anyone is interested in details from any of these articles, please > let me know. > > Louise in Melbourne > > Surnames only typed in all caps are easier to read off a computer > screen > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 23:46:53 +1100 > From: "Louise Reynolds" <louise@planetlighting.com> > Subject: Re: [HV] Books We Have Read > To: <aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <052201c76aed$d6f65610$f6e5a8c0@louise038433ad> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hi Anne, > > Firstly, there is nothing in the article on the Scots influence - in fact > it > lists no names (now I look closely) and is quite general. > > The article about the Geman settlers has no mention of Buffier (or > variants). In relation to the "Parland" it says: > > "The German families in the first three immigrant ships which arrived in > Port Jackson in 1849 - Beulah, Parland and Harmony - came from a cluster > of > wine-making villages and towns, mentioned above....>(here a long list).... > > The German vinedressers, like their wives, who also worked in the fields, > were overworked and underpaid, bullied, and generally treated with ill > respect". > > Sorry, I cannot scan at the moment> After a big V attack my scanner and > laptop no longer seem to be talking to each other and I need some quiet > time > to sort it out. > > Regards > > Louise > Melbourne > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Perplexed" <awhitefo@bigpond.net.au> > To: <aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 11:16 PM > Subject: Re: [HV] Books We Have Read > > >>I would be very interested in the German Immigration (my >> Buffier/Bouffiers) came from the Wiesbaden area in 1849 (on the Parland >> which brought many German families out). >> >> I'm also interested in the Scottish influence with John and Mary Smith >> and their 5 children arriving from Ardnamurchan in 1840. >> >> I would be very grateful if a scanned copy could be sent (if possible). >> My email address is >> >> awhitefo@bigpond.net.au. >> >> I live in Canberra and if you want any records/information from the >> National Library I would be happy to get it for you. >> >> Cheers >> >> Anne Whiteford >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: aus-nsw-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:aus-nsw-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Louise >> Reynolds >> Sent: Tuesday, 20 March 2007 12:58 PM >> To: aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [HV] Books We Have Read >> >> Hello all, >> >> Alas, the only Hunter Valley associated book I have in my library is a >> volume of the Journal of Hunter Valley History - 1986. >> >> The articles are: >> >> 1/. German Immigration to the Hunter in the mid 19th C >> >> 2/. John Earl of Glenridding >> >> 3/. Hunter Valley Inns and Innkeepers >> >> 4/. Enduring Fabric: Life and Society in the Upper Hunter >> >> 5/. Impressions of Early Newcastle, 1825-1840 >> >> 6/. John Gillies, Member for Maitland >> >> 7/. Government Cottages at Hunter River >> >> 8/. Charles Hughes: An Early Innkeeper at Newcastle, Maitland and Black >> Creek >> >> 9/. Scottish Influence in the Upper Hunter >> >> If anyone is interested in details from any of these articles, please >> let me know. >> >> Louise in Melbourne >> >> Surnames only typed in all caps are easier to read off a computer >> screen >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> Surnames only typed in all caps are easier to read off a computer screen >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 00:30:39 +1100 > From: John <john.mail@ozemail.com.au> > Subject: Re: [HV] PLUMRIDGE SURNAME > To: aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20070321003039.009a79b0@pop.ozemail.com.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > Hello Maureen, > > > You wrote PLUMRIDGE - " ... is not a very common name in Australia, and I > would be interested to hear from any listers with connections to the name, > or anyone who may know or have known anyone of that surname." > > I've only ever known one Plumridge. > > A very nice man and I'm sure he'd be happy to help you .. although I have > no idea if he has relatives in Newcastle area ... but seeing just about > everybody has or has had *some* relatives in the Newcastle area (even me) > it would be quite likely. > > He is a geologist named Colin Plumridge - A very systematic explorer for > gold and copper and such. > > Did a great deal of work in the Bourke area, and elsewhere. > > You can easily see/find about him or his work (and probably find his > contact within some such) via Google [and a few such finds I place below]. > > Best Regards, > > > > John (Sydney) > > > > ~~~ > > [PDF] GS REPORT TITLE PAGEFile Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML > Collected By Colin Plumridge North Broken Hill Ltd 1975-1979 ... samples > collected by Colin Plumridge during the period 1975-79 for North Broken > Hill Ltd on ... > www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/37209/Cobar_Geochem_GS_Report.pdf > - Similar pages > > Geological Survey of NSW - Geochemistry of gossan samples ...This report > relates to part of a geological prospecting program of reconnaissance rock > chip samples collected by Colin Plumridge during the period 1975-79 ... > www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/aboutus/resources/majorpubs/reports/geochemistry-gossan-s > amples-cobar-nyngan - 13k - Cached - Similar pages > > [PDF] rimfire pacific mining nlFile Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as > HTML > Mr Colin Plumridge, who is a Member of The Australian Institute of Mining > and Metallurgy, with over 30 years experience in the mineral exploration > ... > www.rimfire.com.au/PDF/Drill%20program%20starts%20at%20Fifield.pdf - > Similar pages > > Rimfire Pacific Mining NL - ManagementColin Plumridge is responsible for > the implementation of the Company's entire portfolio of exploration > projects. Colin is a Member of the Geological Society ... > www.rimfire.com.au/management.htm - 19k - Cached - Similar pages > [ More results from www.rimfire.com.au ] > > [PDF] Department of Primary IndustriesFile Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - > View > as HTML > SAVAGE, COLIN LAURENCE PLUMRIDGE, DAFYDD. ARTHUR BEVAN AND JOY ELIZABETH > PLUMRIDGE,. area of 4 units. Application for renewal received 27. > November, > 2006. ... > www.advertising.nswp.commerce.nsw.gov.au/.../1st_December-Part_2.pdf - > Similar pages > > [PDF] GOVERNMENT GAZETTEFile Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML > Colin Laurence Plumridge and Joy Elizabeth Plumridge, 1133;. Comet > Resources Limited, 680, 1079, 1704;. Compass Resources N.L., 142; ... > www.advertising.nswp.commerce.nsw.gov.au/.../Index_January_to_March_2004.pdf > - Similar pages > [ More results from www.advertising.nswp.commerce.nsw.gov.au ] > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > At 06:37 PM 3/20/2007 +1000, you wrote: > >>Maureen, > >>I was an apprentice at Cardiff Railway Workshops 1962 to 1968. One of my >>colleagues was John Plumridge who I think came from the Waratah area. >>Haven't heard of him in 40 years though > >>Phillip Carruthers >>Brisbane, Australia >>+617 3273 5531 > >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Peter Saunders" <peters41@bigpond.net.au> >>To: <AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 8:37 AM >>Subject: [HV] PLUMRIDGE SURNAME >> >> >>> Hi Listers, >>> >>> I am researching the PLUMRIDGE surname, particularly in the >>> Newcastle/Hunter >>> Valley area. It is not a very common name in Australia, and I would be >>> interested to hear from any listers with connections to the name, or >>> anyone >>> who may know or have known anyone of that surname. >>> >>> TIA, >>> Maureen. >>> >>> Researching Hunter Valley Names - >>> PLUMRIDGE, HICKEY, SAUNDERS, EICHORN, WALTERBACK, GETTS, QUINN > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 01:50:41 +1000 > From: "Brian M Morley" <bmo06298@bigpond.net.au> > Subject: Re: [HV] Missed all the excitement!!! > To: <aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <460002C8.000001.03652@BIGGUY> > Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi Sharon, > I notice that you have interest in the Corrigan Family? > I too, have interest in the Corrigan Family as follows: > "Sarah Botsford" arrived 16 Feb 1842 - sailed from Greenock 12 Oct 1841. > Eliza Gorrel (also written as Gore), 18y, farm servt, gone to brother at > Parramatta, brought out by J Miller, under protection of James & Mary > Corrigan- a cousin of latter, native of Maheracroft Fermagh, parents John > & > Susan- father is alive, a farm & dairy servt, good health, likely to be > useful, c/e, can read, no complaints, James & Mary paid her passage. > Also on board- > Nobel Corrigan, 18y, S/O James & Mary, b. Lowthers Town Fermagh (parents > on > board) > Irvine Corrigan, 25y, S/O James & Mary, b. Lowthers Town Fermagh, farm > labr > Francis Corrigan, 27y, S/O James & Mary, b. Lowthers Town Fermagh, farm > labr > William Corrigan, 18y, S/O James & Mary, b. Lowthers Town Fermagh > Margaret Corrigan, 21y, d/O James & Mary, b. Maheracroft Fermagh (under > protection of parents) > Susan Corrigan, 23y, d/O James & Mary, Maheracroft Fermagh (under > protection > of parents) > > James & Mary Corrigan were free passengers but are not listed anywhere on > the shipping films. Records also say that some of the kids went to Patrick > Plains to seek employment (they probably all went). > > I have not actively pursued the Corrigan Family to a great extent as I am > mainly interested in Elizabeth GORRELL she is my Gt Gt Grandmother. > I was wondering if they are the same CORRIGAN Family as yours? > > Brian M Morley > Ipswich Queensland Australia > > -------Original Message------- > > From: Sharon McDermott > Date: 20/03/2007 21:10:51 > To: HV List > Subject: [HV] Missed all the excitement!!! > > Hi Everyone, > > Much excitement and activity today whilst I wasn't looking! Better post my > interests: > > McDermott (Gurr, Dorney, Corrigan, O'Brien, McNamara, Coyne) > > Guy (Hadfield, Davis, Jenkins, Taylor) > > Hadfield (Guy, Magin, Williams, Quetcher, Sample, Crockett, Wilson, > Sharpe, > Berwick). > > McGuirk (Garland,Cassell, Rosevear) > > Lawrence (Lill, Keppie, Soper, Dare, Tremberth, Eastment, Armfield) > > Cheers, > > Sharon McDermott > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 16:12:49 +0000 > From: Dennis Johnstone <dennis@donjon1.demon.co.uk> > Subject: [HV] Interesting people - Cantwells and Wilks > To: AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <1BAB0053-6113-4266-B9BD-E1C22F97DAFA@donjon1.demon.co.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > I've turned up some interesting information on my GG uncle, Henry > Joseph Cantwell, and his wife Ida Florence Wilks, and was wondering > if anyone else has come across them. > > Henry Cantwell (b May 1896, Greta; d 13 Nov 1962) married Ida > Florence Wiilks (b 1899 West Maitland, d 8 Aug 1990, Elizabeth Bay). > He was the son of James Cantwell and Ellen Byrnes. > > On enlisting in the army at the start of WW1, he gave his occupation > as a butcher. Fortunately for my research (and unfortunately for > him), he was severely wounded during the war and I've now turned up > years of paperwork from him and his wife to various Government > departments about his treatment, pensions and the like. > > From these, I've discovered that Henry became a journalist with the > Sun and the Sydney Morning Herald. By the 1950s, he was an editor > with the SMH at the same time as his nephew John Kenneth Cantwell > (more on him in a moment) was a proof reader on the paper. I've > written to the SMH to see if they have any records or if there's > anyone still around that remembers Henry but with no response to date. > > As for Henry's wife Ida, she gives her occupation as a violinist with > the Sydney Symphony Orchestra, but again my efforts at finding out > more have gone without response. > > Returning to John (Jack) Cantwell (born East Greta), he was an author > and playwright who led an itinerant life. I've just turned up one of > his books, Never a Closing Door, and from the dust jacket I've > learned he was a dishwasher in London, a public bar pianist in > Canada, London and elsewhere, a casual reporter for an Ontario > (Canada) newspaper, and a proof reader for newspapers on three > continents. > > Jack was in the RAAF during the war, apparently as a scriptwriter and > announcer with Allied Forces Radio. I've also found out that he > received a BA from Sydney University in 1948, and qualified as an > English teacher but never taught. > > The circumstances of his death on 23 February 1966 at Potts Point are > still sensitive with some family members so I won't go into details > here, but I'd love to find out more about Jack as he was quite a > flamboyant character from what I've learned so far. > > According to family tales, the Cantwells also had connections to the > Maitland Mercury but I haven't been able to prove (or disprove) this > so far. > > What makes this very interesting for me is I'm also a writer, poet > and journalist (although I've given up the latter) who's travelled > the world, worked in the press and on radio and, while working for > the Singleton Argus some years back, also wrote for the Maitland > Mercury. All without knowing the family history! > > Anyway, if anyone has come across these people, I'd appreciate them > getting touch. > > Dennis > > PS I have time to write this as we're having fierce blizzards here in > NE Scotland. It certainly makes a change from the Hunter. > > Dennis Johnstone > Email: dennis@donjon1.demon.co.uk > Blog: http://stonehead.wordpress.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 11:52:27 -0700 (PDT) > From: guardsue2006-centralcoastnsw@yahoo.com.au > Subject: [HV] Henry REEVES > To: aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <310663.35544.qm@web55515.mail.re4.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Louise, thank you, and to all the listers who take the time to reply to > our queries and for the interesting stories on families in our local area. > > Sue > Central Coast > > "Some former convicts proved to be amazingly successful in their > innkeeping > activities and went on to expand their business interests into other areas > and to become prosperous. Notable among these were Henry Reeves of > Maitland > and John Smith of Newcastle". > > Journal of Hunter Valley History > Vol 2, No 1 > 1986 > > Regards > > Louise > Melbourne > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY list administrator, send an email to > AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY mailing list, send an email > to AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY Digest, Vol 2, Issue 68 > **************************************************** > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.18.13/725 - Release Date: > 17/03/2007 12:33 PM > >

Hi All I am yet another fence-sitter coming out of the woodwork! I am interested in information regarding George Edward HARRIS who married Elizabeth Ann JARRETT in New Lambton in 1898. Children of the couple included George Edward (My Great Grandfather), Lydia, Mildred, Mary and Leonora (possibly others not yet discovered). Regards Belinda

Guilty as charged! lol but have enjoyed reading everyone's posts unfortunately none have relevant information on my family interests, the answers to my several brick walls lay buried in Scotland, Ireland & Wales literally!! So have been spending most of my time trying unsuccessfully to find those 'hidden' clues, and suspect that only a trip to the relevant countries Record Offices will reveal answers - of course that trip depends on my winning the lotto!! LOL However have listed my surname interests just in case someone else 'lurking' has information. Still chasing: Bernard/Barnard McGOWAN - one source suggests born C 1812 Glasgow Scot. as that is where he was trialled/sentenced Sept 25. 1829 however can find no records of birth - parents names unknown; another suggestion was he was born in Ireland, but since I don't know parents names/county etc Irish websites have not been helpful. Bernard sailed from Sheerness on Marquis of Huntley Apr 4 1830 sentenced to 14 yrs transportation; I have the Oz family tree information since his arrival. Robert & Sinah EVANS - Know family lived in Llangynog Montgomeryshire Wales and via 1841 Census have found their children still at home then, my ancestor John Evans had left home prior to census, but I have his Oz history; Est. Robert born c1786 (age 55 in census), Sinah born c1791 (age 50 in census), unable to find 1. Sinah surname; 2. marriage record; death records for either. Edward & Mary GRIMES (nee McMullen) - believe married c1813 Co Roscommon Ireland; arr. Oz aboard "Hooghley" dep. Ireland 1827; believe he was one member of the 24 Royal Veterans Company aboard ship. unable to find parentage of either Edward/Mary; no death record for Edward & no record of return to UK. James & Rachel McCURDY (nee Richards) - very confused gentleman! claimed to be convict on "Tottenham" 1818 - no records/convict indents found, nor any record of being transported on convict ship; some believe James came to the colony under a different name which is unknown, and he maybe Irish!? James claimed on marriage cert to have come free to the colony but on everything else he states he was a convict!? 1828 Census noted 'Free by servitude; Catholic; Ship - Tottenham, Occ. Baker. Rachel RICHARDS - one very interesting lady & another identify crisis! convict arr Oz on "Lord Wellington" 1820; She had applied to the governor for permission to marry one John Haslam and then James McCurdy. Marriage register Dec 8 1823 McCurdy James - Rachel Richards; Rachel died 1873 aged 72 yrs at Lane Cove Road, her father was stated to be Richard Williams mother unknown on Death Cert. 1828 Census Surname as Richards/McCurdy. Enter John Haslam - to add more confusion! On his Cert. of Freedom May 1824, his wife stated to be Rachel Richards; also on Rachel's Cert of Freedom Mar. 1832 John Haslam was noted as husband. Maybe she was a bigamist? who knows! Thanks to everyone who has tried to help with my search of McGowan in the past but he along with the others remain a mystery to me and others researching them with whom I've had contact. Sharon Other names of interest: BULL - Isle of Wight; ROSER - Sussex Eng; MICKELBOROUGH - Norfolk Eng; Jenner - Norfolk Eng; BOWDITCH - Newingham Eng;

Hi Helen, No mention of BROUGHTON in this article. Regards Louise in Melbourne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helen" <khelenk@austarnet.com.au> To: <aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 6:54 AM Subject: [HV] JOHN BROUGHTON Snr. > Re: Books We Have Read > I was wondering if there may be any available information regarding > my greatGrandfather: > JOHN BROUGHTON, SNR, who about 1835 came to Australia, possibly > with his brother, WILLIAM BROUGHTON, from ARKSEY, BENTLEY, DONCASTER, > YORKSHIRE, England: > John Snr. owned the Criterion Hotel and J. Broughton's Bond Store, at > 23 and 25 Hunter Street East in Newcastle in 1891. > Helen. > Atherton, Cairns Hinterland, Nth Queensland. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Surnames only typed in all caps are easier to read off a computer screen > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Gee you must be a hard woman to please Marg M.! You issue your plea. The list goes "gang-busters". And here you are still asking for MORE fence-sitters to join it. LOTS AND LOTS OF LAUGHS!! Ray (having trouble keeping up with the flood of messages) . More LOLs. ----- Original Message ----- From: "MargM" <genknut@optusnet.com.au> To: <aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 9:55 PM Subject: Re: [HV] Must have been something in the water ! ... > My quick count is 92 . What an amazing difference > Thanks for all your input . Still alot sitting on the > fence though . > So how about all the subscribers who have never posted anything introduce yourselves ?? Easily be cousins out here who dont know you're there > Sweet dreams ...................... ! > Bye > MargM > Hunter Valley List Admin

Sorry forgot to say, Thanks, cheers Liz Norfolk Island -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Liz McCoy Sent: Wednesday, 21 March 2007 12:41 PM To: aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HV] Charles Henry HUMPHREY Hi, Margaret.... I have no knowledge of him being a boat builder, I don't have much on his early life, I still have not found how and where he came into Australia but after his marriage to Emma Harris in Sydney, three of their eldest children were born at Armidale, then the rest in Marrickville, he was on the first Burwood council and became a prominent resident in the Burwood - Concord area, he purchased a lot of William Wentworth's Estate. His only sister Louisa is buried with him at Rookwood Cemetery -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of MargaretB Sent: Tuesday, 20 March 2007 8:28 PM To: aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HV] Charles Henry HUMPHREY Hi Liz Was your Charles Humphrey a boat builder? MargaretB Lake Macquarie NSW Australia Surnames only typed in all caps are easier to read off a computer screen ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Surnames only typed in all caps are easier to read off a computer screen ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, Margaret.... I have no knowledge of him being a boat builder, I don't have much on his early life, I still have not found how and where he came into Australia but after his marriage to Emma Harris in Sydney, three of their eldest children were born at Armidale, then the rest in Marrickville, he was on the first Burwood council and became a prominent resident in the Burwood - Concord area, he purchased a lot of William Wentworth's Estate. His only sister Louisa is buried with him at Rookwood Cemetery -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of MargaretB Sent: Tuesday, 20 March 2007 8:28 PM To: aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HV] Charles Henry HUMPHREY Hi Liz Was your Charles Humphrey a boat builder? MargaretB Lake Macquarie NSW Australia Surnames only typed in all caps are easier to read off a computer screen ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Margaret, thanks for your reply, I have no idea where in Currie Currie it was, I would love to know, I'd say it would have to have been, around the 1930s-40s. I would love to find any information on Mary, John and Tom Macphail or any of their descendants, Cheers Liz Norfolk Island -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of margaret smith-white Sent: Tuesday, 20 March 2007 1:55 PM To: AUS-NSW-Hunter-Valley-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HV] Sunshine Cafe Thank you Liz, do you remember where abouts the cafe was located? What year? thanks Margaret Smith-White _________________________________________________________________ Advertisement: Want FREE talk & text to 5 Telstra numbers? Find out how http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fadsfac%2Enet%2Flink%2Easp%3F cc%3DTEL243%2E40035%2E0%26clk%3D1%26creativeID%3D56076&_t=761565722&_r=Hotma il_email_tagline_1March07&_m=EXT

It appears to be generally not well known that there was a major recruitment program to bring German people to the Hunter Valley. >From memory (I'm not on the right computer), there were representations to the governor to allow this, as it was not permitted beforehand (this was an English penal colony). They pleaded that a wine industry could be established but they needed experienced vineyard workers. The French were not in the "good books" at the time and there had been a major famine etc in Germany (2 million left in a decade or so mostly to America). German workers, mainly vinedressors, were brought over literally by the shipload, after successful recruiting in the Rhine Valley. Interestingly the Germans integrated with the English here in the Hunter Valley (they were Catholic so intermarried without problems) as opposed to South Australia (they were mostly Lutheran there). We, therfore do not have German towns and settlements such as Handorf. John Goswell > >This one is for Anne re German immigration. > >There is a good book called 'Greetings from the Land where Milk and Honey > >Flows: The German Immigration to NSW 1838-1858' edited by Patricia Cloos >and >Jurgen Tampke published in 1993. It used to be available at the NSW State > >Library Shop. > >It discusses how they were 'enticed' into coming to Australia; a number of > >letters and diary entries written by the immigrants (3 letters from >passengers who travelled on the 'Parland'); and the ships and passenger >lists during those years. > >

Hello Dennis. As you are in Scotland, you might not be aware that the Sydney Morning Herald newspaper has an RSVP column (don't know if it is daily or weekly, sorry) where anyone can BRIEFLY list people who they are searching for, reunions, etc. Try an online search, as the SMH is freely available EACH DAY (not for past papers) on-line; and details should be given there on how to send a request to the RSVP column. Alternatively, someone on this list who reads the paper daily might be able to give you the answer immediately. You could try writing two separate entries to them for publication in that part of the paper; and as I assume that many ex-staff would read "their" paper religiously, you might hit a wider audience, with a better response than just writing to the bureaucrats. Also, I think that the Sydney Symphony Orchestra is attached to the ABC (Australian Broadcasting Commission), so if you tried to contact say the Librarian there (I am married to a librarian, and LOVE them and their positive and helpful attitudes to researchers); she might be able to help you also; or at least to put you in touch with the relevant people. Librarians generally go out of their way to go that extra distance to try to help us all. And on a slightly different tack, there is a library and archives of some sort attached to the Sydney Opera House. At the SSO performs there, it is not unlikely that they might also have something on your relevant person. Hoping that amidst all of this verbiage there might be something to help you. Good Luck: Ray in Oz. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Johnstone" <dennis@donjon1.demon.co.uk> To: <AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 2:12 AM ... I've written to the SMH to see if they have any records or if there's anyone still around that remembers Henry but with no response to date. > As for Henry's wife Ida, she gives her occupation as a violinist with the Sydney Symphony Orchestra, but again my efforts at finding out more have gone without response. ... > > Dennis > PS I have time to write this as we're having fierce blizzards here in NE Scotland. It certainly makes a change from the Hunter. > > Dennis Johnstone > Email: dennis@donjon1.demon.co.uk > Blog: http://stonehead.wordpress.com

I have John SIMONS who was born in 1843, son of John SIMONS/ SIMMONS and Mary Anne TAYLOR. My info is that he is the brother of Edward SIMONS (b. 1839) who married Harriet Maria BURGESS in 1860. She died in 1870, and he re-married to Catherine HARDES in 1874 in Maitland. In total, Edward had at least 14 children. Rosalee Shaw researching SHAW,SINCLAIR, SYME, BURGESS, BANFIELD, GRANT,JENNINGS, SULLIVAN, CADBY, TOOLE families associated with the areas of Wallsend, Minmi, Maitland, Paterson and Brisbane Waters in NSW. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Victor & Keith" <vickeith@bigpond.net.au> To: <AUS-NSW-Hunter-Valley-L@rootsweb.com> Cc: <AUS-NSW-Genanz-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 10:10 AM Subject: [HV] Simons & Wheatley Maitland > Trying to locate the family of John Simons (c1843-1913) married Jane > Wheatley (1851-1912) lived in Church Street Maitland NSW and had Ernest > George 1875 Tamworth; Clara May 1878 Tamworth-died 1896 West Maitland; Eva > Gertrude 1880 Maitland; Mabel Barbara 1886 Maitland. > > Mabel married Max Hart 1910 Woollahra and had Lewis 1911 Sydney; Jane 1912 > Sydney; Rita 1913 Sydney; Rufus John 1914 Newcastle; Sylvis 1918 > Newcastle. > > Max & Mabel went to the USA where son Ronald was born. Max died in USA > and Mabel and children returned to NSW where she remarried to John Cain in > 1927 at Hamilton NSW. > > She divorced John Cain and died in 1961. She ran a tearooms in Parramatta > with her son Lew who also died in 1961. > > Haven't been able to locate anything further on other children. > > Any help welcome. > > Regards > > Victor Moymow > > Surnames only typed in all caps are easier to read off a computer screen > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

John. As always your postings provide valuable information. I had not previously been aware of the likely connection between the religion of the German immigrants and their settlement into the host community. Thank you for that. A lot of German people, mostly off the ship "Caesar" I think, settled in the Eden and Monaro areas of NSW; and to the best of my knowledge they did not ever settle into German communities or leave German placenames; but rather they integrated, now seemingly seamlessly -- although it might not have seemed to be so at the time -- into the local communities, inter-marrying with the Anglos etc. To date I have not done even a superficial analysis of their religions, but that will now be something else to add to my "to do" list -- as if it weren't long enough already. LOL. Once again I thank you for revealing this line of thought. Regards: Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: <johngoswell@iprimus.com.au> To: <aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 11:24 AM Subject: [HV] German Immigration ... Interestingly the Germans integrated with the English here in the Hunter Valley (they were Catholic so intermarried without problems) as opposed to South Australia (they were mostly Lutheran there). We, therefore do not have German towns and settlements such as Hahndorf. > > John Goswell

Hi all Another fence sitter. Early on (previous email addies) was not just a fence sitter but work and family commitments took over and now love to read and keep up with the list and a very occasional posting. This one is for Anne re German immigration. There is a good book called 'Greetings from the Land where Milk and Honey Flows: The German Immigration to NSW 1838-1858' edited by Patricia Cloos and Jurgen Tampke published in 1993. It used to be available at the NSW State Library Shop. It discusses how they were 'enticed' into coming to Australia; a number of letters and diary entries written by the immigrants (3 letters from passengers who travelled on the 'Parland'); and the ships and passenger lists during those years. There is an index but this only lists the main families although if you know the ship they arrived on they will be listed in the passenger lists. As are the 'BUFFIER' family listed. It is a good book for insights and understanding their lives at that time. My direct family came out on the first of these ships the 'Kinnear' in 1838. They are the SECKOLD family and although some ended up later in the Hunter Valley they were contracted to the MacARTHURs at Camden Park. I do have numerous branches of family in the Hunter Valley and continue to find more names all the time. My main direct ancestor is George WEAKLEY and Hannah SCARF who arrived on the 'Lady Raffles' on 12 September 1839 (listed as WAKELY). originally working for a MARSHALL they then had land in the Hexham area and were dairy farmers. The main road after the expressway is named after them 'Weakleys Road' crossing over a creek or bridge also called Weakley. George charged a toll at one stage for anyone crossing the creek through his property. >From them there are many descendant families. Cheers Debbie Chaplin > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 23:16:22 +1100 > From: "Perplexed" <awhitefo@bigpond.net.au> > Subject: Re: [HV] Books We Have Read > To: <aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <001d01c76ae9$92dd4f50$7400a8c0@MAINPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I would be very interested in the German Immigration (my > Buffier/Bouffiers) came from the Wiesbaden area in 1849 (on the Parland > which brought many German families out). > > I'm also interested in the Scottish influence with John and Mary Smith > and their 5 children arriving from Ardnamurchan in 1840. > > I would be very grateful if a scanned copy could be sent (if possible). > My email address is > > awhitefo@bigpond.net.au. > > I live in Canberra and if you want any records/information from the > National Library I would be happy to get it for you. > > Cheers > > Anne Whiteford

Hello Rosemary, My father knew 'Ted' Beattie--the Gouldsville post-master--very well. Dad had a farm about 800 meters from Ted's house--which also served as the Post Office and exchange. Dad went to Ted's place at night, and they would play draughts. This was about 1913. Ted kept bees and made 'Honey Beer' or mead. Both David & Margaret are buried at the C. of E. cemetery at Whittingham--the main C. of E. cemetery for Singleton. Unfortunately, I cannot see it 'on-line'--but the S.F.H.S. would have it listed and available for purchase. This may not help you if there is no headstone. When I went to school [1936]-- I rode my pony past the old Beattie home at Gouldsville--which was deserted--made of slabs with an iron roof--now demolished. The Beatties owned what was known as Boggy Flat. The telephone service didn't last long--due to lack of support. There were only 2 subscribers--my uncle Frank--Gouldsville 1 and my father--Gouldsville 2. I also have some knowledge of a few of the other names you mention--e.g. Thrift, Thorley, Harbourne, etc. I have further detail if you require it. Regards, Bennie.

Thanks very much for the advice. It's much appreciated. Anne -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Louise Reynolds Sent: Tuesday, 20 March 2007 11:47 PM To: aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HV] Books We Have Read Hi Anne, Firstly, there is nothing in the article on the Scots influence - in fact it lists no names (now I look closely) and is quite general. The article about the Geman settlers has no mention of Buffier (or variants). In relation to the "Parland" it says: "The German families in the first three immigrant ships which arrived in Port Jackson in 1849 - Beulah, Parland and Harmony - came from a cluster of wine-making villages and towns, mentioned above....>(here a long list).... The German vinedressers, like their wives, who also worked in the fields, were overworked and underpaid, bullied, and generally treated with ill respect".

Hi Vicki I have BURGESS interests in the Hunter Valley. My crew were John Burgess and his wife Janet RIDDELL (MCCUBBIN) who died and are buried in the Tarro / Buttai area. They had 2 sons and one daughter. The daughter Harriet Maria married Edward SIMONS or SIMMONS. One son Thomas married Angelina BANFIELD had had numerous children. The other son, John is a bit of a brick wall. Rosalee Shaw researching SHAW,SINCLAIR, SYME, BURGESS, BANFIELD, GRANT,JENNINGS, SULLIVAN, CADBY, TOOLE families associated with the areas of Wallsend, Minmi, Maitland, Paterson and Brisbane Waters in NSW. ----- Original Message ----- From: "VICKI and Denis" <dvmoran@bigpond.net.au> To: <AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 8:28 PM Subject: [HV] Interests in H/Valley area > Hi everyone > > I have been one of the fence sitters too. Well here goes - some of my > families in the area are: > > > > PRYOR Maitland, Quirindi and other various Hunter Valley towns. > Basically, > descendants of James and his five children who arrived on the Orontes in > 1838 I think it was. My lot come from the eldest son Thomas. > > > > Bouveng Middle Brook- Scone then Murrurundi Descended from Karl > (Charles) > Magnus Oscar Bouveng from Uppsala, Sweden. > > > > Crothers From Quirindi and surroundings areas. Bridget arrived with some > of her children from Poyntzpass, Armagh, Ireland. > > > > The following are families connected to the above. > > > > DOWNEY, SHERRY, ROWLAND, YOUNG, MATTOCKS, BURGESS, FORDHAM, HICKS, > SKELTON, > GILL, SHELTON, KING, DEVINE,BUTLER & HEWITT > > > > Would love to hear from anyone interested. > > > > Vicki > > Surnames only typed in all caps are easier to read off a computer screen > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message