Oh well, it was worth trying! Thanks for Daniel, but I was hoping for a Michael! Yvonne -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of judy waterer Sent: Wednesday, 21 March 2007 6:39 PM To: aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HV] Books We Have Read - Morpeth and I by A P Elkin - POWER Sorry, only one, Yvonne, and not actually in the district at all. Rev. Daniel POWER (Roman Catholic) is mentioned as following the pioneering priest Fr. Therry in the Colony in 1826. The RC Parish of Morpeth was not constituted until 1875 and he appears as part of a general introduction to that topic. Judy Yvonne Scrivener wrote: >Hi Judy, > >Phoenix Park was, I believe over the river from Morpeth, so would you have >any POWER mentions in your book 'Morpeth and I' please? > > > > > > Surnames only typed in all caps are easier to read off a computer screen ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________ NOD32 2130 (20070321) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com

Hi, Would it be too much trouble to check if it mentions the coming of the railway to Morpeth? My ancestor (WHITEHEAD) sold up his Wheat Sheaf Hotel on the banks of the Hunter there in June 1865 and moved to Muswellbrook because it was destined to be the site of the Queen's Wharf Railway Station. TIA Judy The Eccles Family wrote: >Hi Everyone, >I found a magazine in my local newsagency about the Great Northern Railway. >On Friday March 30 2007, the railway will be celebrating it's 150 >anniversery. The first line was from Newcastle to Maitland. >The Commemorative Issue was put out by the Australian Railway Historical >Society. >It contains lots of pictures of trains and the story of the Railway in >Newcastle but there is no information on the working people of the railway, >although there is some information on the contractor Wright and Randle. >... > >

Hi Marg & list, I'm guilty..... My convict ancestor James GRIFFITHS married Sarah McGILVRAY at Paterson in 1844. They lived on the property "Tillimby" - Boughton Flats - Paterson where they raised their family of 7, until James & Sarah & baby daughter drowned in the Paterson River on christmas day 1858. Two of the children, John & James were taken in by the TATTERSALL family & later married Hannah & Louisa TATTERSALL. I have no idea what happened to the other children. Sometime after James & Sarah's death the children changed the spelling of their surname to GRIFFIS. Other surnames that married into my convicts family are: TATTERSALL, COOTE, NORTHAM Lyn Jobson (nee Griffis) Forster NSW Aust.

Sorry June, none of those names appear. Did they go to Morpeth? It's on the Hunter and not near Grafton. Judy. june m robinson wrote: >Hi Judy, interested in the Families of Hackett, Cameron. Mc Lucas. Ross all >from arounf the grafton area. > thanks. June > >

Sorry, only one, Yvonne, and not actually in the district at all. Rev. Daniel POWER (Roman Catholic) is mentioned as following the pioneering priest Fr. Therry in the Colony in 1826. The RC Parish of Morpeth was not constituted until 1875 and he appears as part of a general introduction to that topic. Judy Yvonne Scrivener wrote: >Hi Judy, > >Phoenix Park was, I believe over the river from Morpeth, so would you have >any POWER mentions in your book 'Morpeth and I' please? > > > > > >

Listers, Some German names from the Hunter Valley are Idstein, Edstein, Post, Bambach, Benecke, Ikin, Kauter, Jaeger, & Rothhaugst. All of these have connections to my spouse's family. Would love to hear from others who are linked to these names. I have a copy of "Greetings from the land where Milk & Honey Flows" and am happy to do look ups. Regards Paul Robinson and the body of the message

Hi Benny and Brian, Not my Corrigans - I have Hugh Corrigan of Irish Catholic extraction, married Ellen McDermott in Feb 1852. Certainly didn't own any land or businesses! thanks, Sharon Subject: Re: [HV] Missed all the excitement!!! > Brian, you are correct--a branch of the Corrigan family from Enniskillen, > came to OZ with their relatives--the Glass family. I think they were > related > by marriage. They settled about Singleton in the 1840-1850 era. William > Corrigan & Alexander Glass began a carrying business in partnership from > Morpeth to all points north and north-west. They were very successful, > having 120 teams on the road at one time. They arrived in OZ 1/4/1839 per > the 'Argyle'--Alexander's wife being Eliza Jane Corrigan of Fermanagh > before > marriage. Eliza ran a store in Singleton and bought a considerable amount > of > land in the district. The Corrigan family later acquired some of this land > at Glassville [now Gouldsville]--near Singleton. > One son, John Corrigan Glass was awarded the CBE in 1958--for services > to Performing Arts. Have further detail if required. > Regards. > Bennie. > > > Surnames only typed in all caps are easier to read off a computer screen > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Now that John has made mention of the following.......... >>In 1812 "The Vineyard" was aquired by Hannibal Hawkins Macarthur; and in 1817 John, William and James Macarthur returned from Europe with a range of vine cuttings to propagate at Camden Park.<< My husband's convict James WILLIAMS (arr Marquis of Wellington 27 Jan 1815 after being held on the hulk 'Laurel' on Langston Harbour since 1 Jun 1814) was assigned as a servant to Hannibal Macarthur on his arrival. James married 21 Mar 1818 Parramatta to Catharine HANCY/Hancey b c1795 London, the dau of Free Settlers William HANCY and wife Sarah MCDONALD (Minorca 14 Dec 1801) who were granted land at Castle/Baulkham Hills off Showground Rd. >From the Colonial Secretary's correspondence, James was sent to Newcastle on the Lady Nelson in 1819 after his marriage, 1821 he was assigned to Macguire's Gang, 1822 his Petition for a ToL, was re-assigned, his conduct was in question and he was working as a Baker. Still in 1822 he had been re-assigned to McGuire's Gang in Sydney and the Rev. G A Middleton requested he be given a pass with his family to Newcastle. 1823 James had his Passport issued and on the 1828 Census James was in the employ of G A Middleton at 'Glenrose' Patricks Plain. James and Catharine had 15 children .............. James Phillip 1817 mar Ann KELLY 1842 East Maitland John 1819 d 1819 Parramatta George Frederick 1821 mar Margaret QUIN 1842 Maitland Thomas 1824 d 1824 Parramatta Eliza Catharine 1825 mar John COLLINS 1849 Maitland Julia Ann 1825 mar John HAGEN 1848 Hinton (2) James NEAL Louisa Margaret 1827 mar John Hill GARVEN 1846 (John's 2nd mar) Charles William 1829 mar Margaret WRIGHT 1852 Ipswich Sarah Sophie 1831 mar William HARDY (Storekeeper) 1849 Maitland Frances Charlotte 1832 mar Thomas SMITH 1855 Maitland (Thomas was of French descent) *Matilda Lucinda 1834 mar Charles KERR 1857 East Maitland Adelaide Susannah 1836 d 1837 Maitland Adelaide Georgina 1838 mar Alfred Charles WEISS 1861 East Maitland Lucy Melvina 1841 d 1842 Maitland In James early years at Maitland he became a Miller purchasing a Mill at West Maitland, the family home was in Williams St, East Maitland where he died in 1850 and Sarah in 1879. Although the HANCY family were perceived to be of the RC faith, James and Catharine's family were christened and married into the C of E, Presbyterian and Wesleyan churches. I have been contacted by many descendants of this family on most lines. In the meantime I spend time researching the lineage of Matilda Lucinda and Charles KERR from Scotland (but where in Scotland??) who mar into the MEYER family of the Kingdom of Hannover (arr Free Settlers on Wilhelmsburg to Hobart Town 1855), my own family lines from Scotland, Sussex, London and Westminster (I am a first generation Australian). I could write on the German settlements, it would take too long, most were of the Lutheran or Catholic faith, if there weren't Lutheran churches where they were living I have found most became involved with the C of E. >From memory Jocelyn from Sydney was collecting information on the vinters, vinedressers etc who arr on the Parland and worked in the lower Hunter area, a check of the list archives going back probably 4 +yrs would find such information. The rest of my time is taken up on a golf committee, restoring and playing with heritage 'putt-putt' boats (have to keep the other half on the right side), the occasional Friday volunteer at Speers Point Library Information Services and President of Lake Macquarie Family History Group Inc. Web site at www.lmfhg.org.au Sorry, I don't have any spare time to sit on the fence, only sleep on it! Regards Jenny M

Hi Everyone, I found a magazine in my local newsagency about the Great Northern Railway. On Friday March 30 2007, the railway will be celebrating it's 150 anniversery. The first line was from Newcastle to Maitland. The Commemorative Issue was put out by the Australian Railway Historical Society. It contains lots of pictures of trains and the story of the Railway in Newcastle but there is no information on the working people of the railway, although there is some information on the contractor Wright and Randle. My interest stems from my husband's connection to the Wrightson family and Bray family. George Wrightson (1815-1885) and his family came to Newcastle with the first train. Thomas Bray (1821-1893) was a sawyer from Cornwall who worked as a sleeper cutter.

I am afraid that my posting may have been taken the wrong way... "2 million left in a decade or so mostly to America" When I said about 2 million Germans left Germany over a couple of decades, I was not saying that there were 2 million left in Germany. Therefore it does tally with your statement that a million left between 1851 and 1860. John Goswell >I'd read somewhere that the peak period of leaving Germany was in the >1850s, and that between 1851-1860 more than a million people left Germany, >this being the peak decade of exodus >(maybe in: McClelland, James, 1982. A history of Germany and guide to >tracing immigrants who came to Australia from Germany). How does that >tally with "2 million left", could that also be talking about the 1850s? >

Hi Judy, Phoenix Park was, I believe over the river from Morpeth, so would you have any POWER mentions in your book 'Morpeth and I' please? Thanks, Yvonne Scrivener Wagga Wagga NSW Australia -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of judy waterer Sent: Wednesday, 21 March 2007 4:50 PM To: aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HV] Books We Have Read I have a copy of "Morpeth and I" written by A.P.Elkin to mark the centenary of St James' Church, Morpeth in 1937. Better known as a Professor of Anthropology at Sydney University, Elkin was also an ordained Anglican minister who worked at one time in the Newcastle Diocese, including a period as Rector of St James'. In addition to its emphasis on Anglican Church history, there is considerable general information about the township of Morpeth, its businesses and its people, and a very comprehensive index. I found some nice first hand information on one of my ancestors there in the 1850s and ' 60s actually recalled by a very old resident interviewed by Elkin for the book in the 1930s. I am happy to do look ups for anyone with an interest in 19th century Morpeth. Judy. Surnames only typed in all caps are easier to read off a computer screen ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________ NOD32 2130 (20070321) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com

Hi Judy, interested in the Families of Hackett, Cameron. Mc Lucas. Ross all from arounf the grafton area. thanks. June ----- Original Message ----- From: "judy waterer" <judyw@hi-speed.com.au> To: <aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [HV] Books We Have Read >I have a copy of "Morpeth and I" written by A.P.Elkin to mark the > centenary of St James' Church, Morpeth in 1937. > > > > > > Judy. > Surnames only typed in all caps are easier to read off a computer screen > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.18.14/727 - Release Date: > 19/03/2007 11:49 AM > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 7707 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now!

I have a copy of "Morpeth and I" written by A.P.Elkin to mark the centenary of St James' Church, Morpeth in 1937. Better known as a Professor of Anthropology at Sydney University, Elkin was also an ordained Anglican minister who worked at one time in the Newcastle Diocese, including a period as Rector of St James'. In addition to its emphasis on Anglican Church history, there is considerable general information about the township of Morpeth, its businesses and its people, and a very comprehensive index. I found some nice first hand information on one of my ancestors there in the 1850s and ' 60s actually recalled by a very old resident interviewed by Elkin for the book in the 1930s. I am happy to do look ups for anyone with an interest in 19th century Morpeth. Judy.

Hi Marg Did you perchance have any further luck with that Somers query? ..· ´¨¨)) -:¦:- ¸.·´ .·´¨¨)) ((¸¸.·´ ..·´ -:¦:- -:¦:- ((¸¸.·´*.` Jenny McCarthy Brightwaters N.S.W. on beautiful Lake Macquarie

Hello, Here's a few things I think I "know" of this German vinedressers' immigration topic .. but might not be too correct. Thanks for the reference - as some of my ancestors (Grandfather's family) were German immigrants, brought to work in vineyards of large estate owners, yet I had not known about that book by Patricia Cloos and Jurgen Tampke which should obviously be very relevant. Mine went to the Nepean River valley west of Sydney, not to the Hunter. But the principles are presumably similar, so I'll say what I "know" (with the proviso that it might be wrong .... e.g. I could not find for "my Germans" any records at all of how they entered the colony, although I know they must obviously have come by ship). On the Nepean virtually all of the richer agricultural families "brought out" German wine workers in the mid 1800s. This includes the Coxes at Mulgoa, the Blaxlands at Wallacia-Luddenham area, and the Macarthur family at Camden Park. The first vines arrived in Australia in 1788 with the First Fleet. They did no good at se vines were first planted out at Farm Cove and were soon replanted to Parramatta. In 1791, Governor Phillip reported that he had established a three-acre vineyard at Parramatta, and that a settler named Schaffer had also planted one acre of vines. No "Schaffer" rather sounds German ... so many the first non-government vine growing in Australia has German handiwork to it? Someone would certainly know the full facts .. I just assume that. Phillip Schaeffer's vineyard farm was named, not unsurprisingly "The Vineyard". "The Vineyard" was later leased to William Cox, until 1803. Later on Gregory Blaxland also took over the lease of "The Vineyard" at Parramatta, and later still a Macarthur had it. Coxes and Blaxlands (and Macarthurs) acquired extensive holdings along the Nepean Valley and expanded their wine interests there. But also along the Nepean the most notable early effort at grape growing was by Captain John Macarthur at Camden Park. Camden Park played a vital roll in the fledgling wine industry through its importation and distribution of vine cuttings throughout NSW and the Barossa Valley. In 1812 "The Vineyard" was aquired by Hannibal Hawkins Macarthur; and in 1817 John, William and James Macarthur returned from Europe with a range of vine cuttings to propagate at Camden Park. In 1824, 14 acres of vineyards were established on the Mulgoa property "Winbourne" that was owned by George Cox, the son of William Cox. Winbourne is where my German ancestors were - surnames Steiner and Rheinhardt. Typically (after 1837, under the Bounty system of assisted migration) I think the German vinedressers arrived under five-year contracts. I think the majority were Catholics but I don't know for sure. The Macarthurs apparently let them attend Catholic services but they had to go to the government or Anglican service first ... as least I think I read that somewhere. By way of anecdotes (not German), Henry Parkes worked on one of the Nepean Vineyards too. And one of the domestics at Winbourne gave birth to a Louisa who was the mother of Henry Lawson. Parkes, on of the subsequently most famous ever to come to the banks of the Nepean didn't like his first impressions there. He arrived in Sydney with this wife in 1839 and recorded what it was like to labour in a vineyard there (when he worked at Regentville vineyard). They lived in a hut where "the morning sunshine, the noontide shower, and the white moonlight of midnight gushed in on us alike." He wrote to his sister back in England "The slavemasters of New South Wales require their servants to work for them from sunrise to sunset ...". In 1860s disastrous flooding and consequential rust outbreaks along the Nepean ruined many a small tennant type farmer there .. and it seems many left and went west, or to the Hunter, or to the Riverina after that. I'd read somewhere that the peak period of leaving Germany was in the 1850s, and that between 1851-1860 more than a million people left Germany, this being the peak decade of exodus (maybe in: McClelland, James, 1982. A history of Germany and guide to tracing immigrants who came to Australia from Germany). How does that tally with "2 million left", could that also be talking about the 1850s? At that time I think many German immigrants also went to Grafton area. Regards, John (Sydney) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ At 12:24 PM 3/21/2007 +1100, you wrote: >It appears to be generally not well known that there was a major recruitment >program to bring German people to the Hunter Valley. >>From memory (I'm not on the right computer), there were representations to >the governor to allow this, as it was not permitted beforehand (this was >an English penal colony). They pleaded that a wine industry could be established >but they needed experienced vineyard workers. The French were not in the >"good books" at the time and there had been a major famine etc in Germany >(2 million left in a decade or so mostly to America). German workers, mainly >vinedressors, were brought over literally by the shipload, after successful >recruiting in the Rhine Valley. >Interestingly the Germans integrated with the English here in the Hunter >Valley (they were Catholic so intermarried without problems) as opposed to >South Australia (they were mostly Lutheran there). We, therfore do not have >German towns and settlements such as Handorf. >John Goswell >>This one is for Anne re German immigration. >> >>There is a good book called 'Greetings from the Land where Milk and Honey >> >>Flows: The German Immigration to NSW 1838-1858' edited by Patricia Cloos >>and Jurgen Tampke published in 1993. It used to be available at the NSW State >>Library Shop. >> >>It discusses how they were 'enticed' into coming to Australia; a number >of >> >>letters and diary entries written by the immigrants (3 letters from >>passengers who travelled on the 'Parland'); and the ships and passenger > >>lists during those years. >> >> > >

Hi Marg, I am one of the sitters too. But read every email which all takes up time. Have printed off the Teralba as it seems to be very interesting. Families interesed in Hacketts, Wrights. Cameron, Mclucas. Ross, to name just a few. regards June ----- Original Message ----- From: "MargM" <genknut@optusnet.com.au> To: <AUS-NSW-Hunter-Valley@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 9:36 AM Subject: [HV] Thank you ! > Wow ! what a great response .Your werent all asleep after > all ! > Makes for a much more interesting list if some messages > are posted > > Strangely had 3 unsubscribe ...... .No accounting for > taste ! > > > Bye > MargM > Hunter Valley List Admin > > Surnames only typed in all caps are easier to read off a computer screen > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.18.14/727 - Release Date: > 19/03/2007 11:49 AM > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 7707 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now!

Hello Dennis, I have the book, now out of print, "Play On! : 60 years of music-making with the Sydney Symphony Orchestra" by Philip Sametz. Sydney, ABC, 1992. They began in the thirties. Several members of the Orchestra are mentioned, but your Ida is not listed in the index under either WILKS or CANTWELL While they perform at the Opera House the Orchestra's headquarters are in Pitt Street, Sydney, and they do have an archivist there who might be able to help you. The postal address is Sydney Symphony, GPO Box 4972, Sydney, NSW 2001, or you could try emailing info@sydneysymphony.com, for his attention. Hope this helps. Judy Ray wrote: ><snip> >Also, I think that the Sydney Symphony Orchestra is attached to the ABC >(Australian Broadcasting Commission), so if you tried to contact say the >Librarian there (I am married to a librarian, and LOVE them and their >positive and helpful attitudes to researchers); she might be able to help >you also; or at least to put you in touch with the relevant people. >Librarians generally go out of their way to go that extra distance to try to >help us all. > >And on a slightly different tack, there is a library and archives of some >sort attached to the Sydney Opera House. At the SSO performs there, it is >not unlikely that they might also have something on your relevant person. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Dennis Johnstone" <dennis@donjon1.demon.co.uk> >To: <AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 2:12 AM > >... I've written to the SMH to see if they have any records or if there's >anyone still around that remembers Henry but with no response to date. > > >As for Henry's wife Ida, she gives her occupation as a violinist with the >Sydney Symphony Orchestra, but again my efforts at finding out more have >gone without response. >... > > >>Dennis >> >> >> >PS I have time to write this as we're having fierce blizzards here in NE >Scotland. It certainly makes a change from the Hunter. > > >>Dennis Johnstone >>Email: dennis@donjon1.demon.co.uk >>Blog: http://stonehead.wordpress.com >> >> > > >

Hello there June, I have a family of BARRYs in my tree. Patrick BARRY and his wife, Mary, and 6 of their children came out to Australia (Sydney) on the "Lord Hungerford" 20.3.1855. They were from Shanagolden in Ireland and they had a son Daniel Barry who had died in Shanagolden before they emigrated. Sometimes children are named for their parents siblings. Long Shot, but I wonder if they are any relation to your BARRY line. regards Judy

Hi Judy, Thanks for your email. George Welch that you have listed is one of mine. He was my great granduncle.NSW records show his death in 1857, but I can find no record of his birth. I have about 4 of Joseph and Hannah children that some members have listed as being born but their are no records of their B or D The other Welch you mention are not mine Regards John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judith Dumbrell" <judydee@ozemail.com.au> To: <aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 1:56 PM Subject: Re: [HV] Welch/Welsh/Walsh Family > Hello John > > I have a Welch line in my tree. > > Nicholas Lister Welch married Maria ? They had a son Nicholas Lister > Welch > born 4.10.1895, I don't know where, but died 1963 in Wallsend. and he > married Ruby Rebecca Hill, the sister of my grandmother. > They had 2 children Artherine "Enie" Welch and Josie Welch. > > I don't know if they fit into your family at all? > > According to the Pioneer Cemetery listing for Raymond Terrace, there are a > couple of > burials - these may help you. > > WELCH, George, died 13.3.1857, infant, son of Joseph and Hannah > WELCH, Patrick, d 23.3.1858, Infant, son of John and Ann > > WELSH, James, d 19.8.1856, infant, son of Patrick and Catherine > WELSH, Jeffery, d 7.8.1872, 37 yrs, born Tipperary > > > > regards > Judy > Surnames only typed in all caps are easier to read off a computer screen > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello all, I am currently reading a history on the town of Gloucester, called THESE HILLS, THESE VALLEYS, which was a supplement published in the Gloucester Advocate in 2003. It has a lot of articles in it about Gloucester and the areas surrounding it and I'm currently making up an index to cover the names mentioned in it. I don't mind looking up names if anyone is interested. regards Judy