G'day Bill, Your comments are appreciated and at this juncture I have to congratulate Marg as Administrator of this and other sites. The comments I made were only how I felt and accordingly I bow graciously to the rules of the site and am quite happy to let the subject drop. Regards to all Wal Towells “May all the trees that you grow, bear fruit” Need a Holiday? Win a $10,000 Holiday of your choice. Enter now.http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylc=X3oDMTJxN2x2ZmNpBF9zAzIwMjM2MTY2MTMEdG1fZG1lY2gDVGV4dCBMaW5rBHRtX2xuawNVMTEwMzk3NwR0bV9uZXQDWWFob28hBHRtX3BvcwN0YWdsaW5lBHRtX3BwdHkDYXVueg--/SIG=14600t3ni/**http%3A//au.rd.yahoo.com/mail/tagline/creativeholidays/*http%3A//au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/%3Fp1=other%26p2=au%26p3=mailtagline

Yes, Ian - thanks! That collection looks like an avenue for further exploration. But the PDF is only an extract (pp. 124-154 plus Title Page) relating to the Great North Road. You still have to borrow the book if you want to read the rest! Bruce Fairhall Ian Jordan wrote: > Hi Michelle and List > this book - and many others - have been available for some time on the > Newcastle University Cultural Collections site. Access is FREE unlike > Ancestry - your Australian tax dollar at work. > > http://www.newcastle.edu.au/service/archives/chrp/1821-1840.html > > You can download a PDF in one hit. > Regards > Ian Jordan > > 2009/5/15 Michelle Watson <[email protected]>: >> Hi All, >> Apologies if this has been posted before. A new book has recently >> been put up on Ancestry.com.au website: >> The New South Wales Calendar and General Post Office Directory, 1832 >> Of interest is the way in which it describes who owns/occupies what >> land, what the property is called and any other interesting info. It >> lists these things by following either roads or rivers and basically >> just describing where people are along these routes. >> It covers the whole of NSW that was inhabited by white settlers at >> the time, including the Newcastle, Port Stephens, Hunter Valley and >> Manning Valley areas. > Cheers, >> Michelle

Hi Michelle and List this book - and many others - have been available for some time on the Newcastle University Cultural Collections site. Access is FREE unlike Ancestry - your Australian tax dollar at work. http://www.newcastle.edu.au/service/archives/chrp/1821-1840.html You can download a PDF in one hit. Regards Ian Jordan Sydney 2009/5/15 Michelle Watson <[email protected]>: > Hi All, > > Apologies if this has been posted before. A new book has recently > been put up on Ancestry.com.au website: > > The New South Wales Calendar and General Post Office Directory, 1832 > > Of interest is the way in which it describes who owns/occupies what > land, what the property is called and any other interesting info. It > lists these things by following either roads or rivers and basically > just describing where people are along these routes. > > It covers the whole of NSW that was inhabited by white settlers at > the time, including the Newcastle, Port Stephens, Hunter Valley and > Manning Valley areas. > > Cheers, > Michelle > > --------------------- > Michelle Watson > [email protected] > > Watson/Canet Family History - http://watsoncanet.webcon.net.au/ > Researching: Watson, Canet, Harper, Whitley, Rann, Hamilton, > O'Donnell, Wilkes, Freeman, Munro, Brown, Baker, Hughes, Davis, Sandilands > > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor > netiquette. Please don't do it. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Privacy and Confidentiality Notice: the information in this email and any attachment(s) is intended for the named recipient only. If you have received this email in error, pease delete it and any attachment(s) immediately, do not open or download any attachments. The information is for the purposes of private family history research. It may not be published or distributed in any form without the prior written consent of the sender. Information concerning living individuals is not intended to be shared. Any information concerning living individuals, either express or iimplied, is not to be recorded, distributed or published without the prior written consent of the individual concerned. The sending of this information does not amount to a waiver of any of those requirements by the author.

G'day Marg,   I can appreciate where you are coming from and yes people should check their email to see if some of the information in it is erroneous but it would quite nice to see immediately what the message is all about from an earlier point.   Checking the archives can be a time consuming experience also.   Please also allow me to apologise for the double posting as this recycled teenager hit the button twice, sorry. Wal Towells “May all the trees that you grow, bear fruit” --- On Sat, 16/5/09, MargM <[email protected]> wrote: From: MargM <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [HV] Tidying mail To: [email protected], [email protected] Received: Saturday, 16 May, 2009, 7:50 AM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wal Towells" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 10:55 PM Subject: Re: [HV] Repeat messages > I agree Dawn and sometimes it is good to see the trend of the messages particularly if you have come into things a little late. > > Dear Wal The idea behind my inserting  the tag line " Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. "  to all posted messages is to encourage subscribers to think about the amount of text they are posting back to the list when in the past they have added their '  Thanks for the info' to a complete message digest  and sent the whole shebang back to the list ............ The affect of that  is  messages get posted more than once, get archived more than once and can  quickly land up in an unintelligible string of multiples of Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message And taglines such as      Need a Holiday? Win a $10,000 Holiday of your choice. Enter now.http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylc=X3oDMTJxN2x2ZmNpBF9zAzIwMjM2MTY2MTMEdG1fZG1lY2gDVGV4dCBMaW5rBHRtX2xuawNVMTEwMzk3NwR0bV9uZXQDWWFob28hBHRtX3BvcwN0YWdsaW5lBHRtX3BwdHkDYXVueg--/SIG=14600t3ni/**http%3A//au.rd.yahoo.com/mail/tagline/creativeholidays/*http%3A//au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/%3Fp1=other%26p2=au%26p3=mailtagline that was tagged on your post  by Yahoo Need to keep list mail readable and so my surprise this tag line of mine has worked quite well  in this list and a couple of others I admin You can always play  catch up and  check the archives of any Rootsweb list . For the Hunter Valley  go to http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/AUS-NSW-Hunter-Valley You  posted your comment twice ............ Think about what you are posting please before you hit send  and use the delete key to tidy any post My next   project in tidying up list mail  is  " Does your message content match its subject header '  ?? Happy hunting Bye             MargM Hunter Valley List Admin Need a Holiday? Win a $10,000 Holiday of your choice. Enter now.http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylc=X3oDMTJxN2x2ZmNpBF9zAzIwMjM2MTY2MTMEdG1fZG1lY2gDVGV4dCBMaW5rBHRtX2xuawNVMTEwMzk3NwR0bV9uZXQDWWFob28hBHRtX3BvcwN0YWdsaW5lBHRtX3BwdHkDYXVueg--/SIG=14600t3ni/**http%3A//au.rd.yahoo.com/mail/tagline/creativeholidays/*http%3A//au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/%3Fp1=other%26p2=au%26p3=mailtagline

G'day Bill,   I appreciate your reply but searching the archives itself takes time whereas if the general run of the message is in front of you it is an instant run of the train of the message.   Regards Wal Wal Towells “May all the trees that you grow, bear fruit” --- On Sat, 16/5/09, Bill <[email protected]> wrote: From: Bill <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [HV] Repeat messages To: [email protected] Received: Saturday, 16 May, 2009, 7:16 AM Dear Wal, It is for that reason that we have all messages archived. The List Administrator put that message there in good faith and it is indeed poor etiquette not to do so, evidenced by that message being on this message three times. All a matter of space and time for listers who want to assist others plowing through information that is not productive. Have a look in the archives. Sincerely,Bill >I agree Dawn and sometimes it is good to see the trend of the messages >particularly if you have come into things a little late. > > Regards > > > > > Wal Towells Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Need a Holiday? Win a $10,000 Holiday of your choice. Enter now.http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylc=X3oDMTJxN2x2ZmNpBF9zAzIwMjM2MTY2MTMEdG1fZG1lY2gDVGV4dCBMaW5rBHRtX2xuawNVMTEwMzk3NwR0bV9uZXQDWWFob28hBHRtX3BvcwN0YWdsaW5lBHRtX3BwdHkDYXVueg--/SIG=14600t3ni/**http%3A//au.rd.yahoo.com/mail/tagline/creativeholidays/*http%3A//au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/%3Fp1=other%26p2=au%26p3=mailtagline

Hi All, Apologies if this has been posted before. A new book has recently been put up on Ancestry.com.au website: The New South Wales Calendar and General Post Office Directory, 1832 Of interest is the way in which it describes who owns/occupies what land, what the property is called and any other interesting info. It lists these things by following either roads or rivers and basically just describing where people are along these routes. It covers the whole of NSW that was inhabited by white settlers at the time, including the Newcastle, Port Stephens, Hunter Valley and Manning Valley areas. Cheers, Michelle --------------------- Michelle Watson [email protected] Watson/Canet Family History - http://watsoncanet.webcon.net.au/ Researching: Watson, Canet, Harper, Whitley, Rann, Hamilton, O'Donnell, Wilkes, Freeman, Munro, Brown, Baker, Hughes, Davis, Sandilands

I agree Dawn and sometimes it is good to see the trend of the messages particularly if you have come into things a little late.   Regards Wal Towells “May all the trees that you grow, bear fruit” --- On Fri, 15/5/09, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: [HV] Repeat messages To: [email protected] Received: Friday, 15 May, 2009, 10:49 PM Quoting the entire text of a previous message or returning whole message digest in a reply is poor netiquette, annoying and time-wasting. Please don't do it Dawn in Sydney Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Need a Holiday? Win a $10,000 Holiday of your choice. Enter now.http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylc=X3oDMTJxN2x2ZmNpBF9zAzIwMjM2MTY2MTMEdG1fZG1lY2gDVGV4dCBMaW5rBHRtX2xuawNVMTEwMzk3NwR0bV9uZXQDWWFob28hBHRtX3BvcwN0YWdsaW5lBHRtX3BwdHkDYXVueg--/SIG=14600t3ni/**http%3A//au.rd.yahoo.com/mail/tagline/creativeholidays/*http%3A//au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/%3Fp1=other%26p2=au%26p3=mailtagline

Hi Listers This is a little off topic but I thought it might interest family history researchers. Google has introduced a feature which may be a boon to those doing historical searches. 1. Conduct a search and the results page will load as before. 2. Now look at the top left hand side of the results page. Just under the Google logo there is a link "Show Options" Click on that and a left side bar of option will be visible. 3. Look down the list to the Group "Standard view" and the last option is "Timeline". When you click on that, Google looks within the pages it has found for you for dates and then orders the pages in date order. This is not the date the page was created (you can sort them in that order if you wish using another option) but the date mentioned in the page, Try it for yourself and you'll see what I mean. Handy, eh? Of course, this is done by an algorithm and isn't exactly surgical, but useful nonetheless. Regards Ian Jordan

Hi I'm doing research into Herbert BRINDLE who was born in Muswellbrook in 1889 to Evan Brindle and Mary Hindmarsh. Herbert married firstly Cecelia SMITH in 1910 in Muswellbrook. Cecelia died in 1920. This couple had one son Arthur James BRINDLE born 10 Dec 1916, who served in WW2. Arthur married Edna AYRTON in 1944 in Cessnock. I found an Edna Brindle who died in Oct 1994 (a notice appears in the Newcastle Herald). I'm trying to find information on Cecelia Smith/Brindle as she is buried with my GGrandmother Eliza Smith. Any relatives of Arthur/Edna/Herbert love to hear from you Kind regards Dianna

Good morning Listers, I am helping my cousin to solve the mystery of her great great grandparents two Irish Catholic immigrants, Thomas KING and Mary PLUNKETT. Their names are quite common and for awhile it proved difficult to pin point them. However, after some searching I found a Thomas KING arriving on the Bounty immigrant ship the "Forth" 18th September, 1841. He was 20 years of age from Kilmany, County Clare, Ireland. His parents were Michael and Nanny KING (does anyone know what Nanny is short for?). I also found a Mary PLUNKETT also an Irish immigrant arriving on the Bounty ship Adam Lodge in 1840. Mary was 16 years of age a housemaid and Child's maid from Kilmanham, Dublin Ireland. Her parents were Edward PLUNKETT and Judy MILES. The Thomas KING and Mary PLUNKETT I am researching were married in 1841, (it would have had to be after the arrival of the "Forth" on 18th Sept 1841, if I have the correct Thomas and Mary) at St. Mary's Roman Catholic Church, Sydney. It is only last week when I started to look into this family, so at the moment I do not have any copies of BDM certificates. Two children I am sure are Thomas and Mary KING's and they are John KING born circa 1843 and Jane KING born circa 1845. The family appear to have settled in Patrick's Plain (Muswellbrook). I am sure there were more children born to the couple, however it is difficult to be sure, which children are theirs. Or maybe Mary died? Here are the marriages of the know children John and Jane. John KING and Mary Jane Genieviece McCarthy - Patrick Plains:- Thomas and Mary KING's son John King married Mary Jane Geneviece McCarthy (born circa 1845) in 1864 at Patrick Plains and they had four children Thomas Edmund King, Callaghan J King, Lucy M King and Catherine King. Mary Jane Geneviece King (nee McCarthy) died in 1921 aged 76, her death was registered at Petersham. Her husband John died in 1922 also his death was registered in Petersham. John King and Mary Jane King (nee McCarthy) in the 1903 Electoral Roll are living at 140 Hereford Street, Forest Lodge. Jane KING and William WILD - Patrick Plains: - Thomas and Mary KING's daughter Jane King married William WILD in 1862 at Patrick Plains. Between 1863 and 1887 William and Jane WILD had 12 children, their births registered in Muswellbrook, Murrurundi and Patrick Plains. William and Mary in the 1903 Electoral Roll are living at Jerry's Plains. Jane WILD (nee KING) died in 1936 at the age of 91, her death was registered in Singleton. I am hoping that SKS on the List, may know of this KING family or be related to them. Maybe, it can be confirm that the Thomas KING and Mary PLUNKETT the Irish Bounty Immigrants, are the right parents of the known children John and Jane. We have not been able to establish when Thomas and Mary KING (nee PLUNKETT) who settled in Patrick's Plains died or where they are buried. Any information with regards to this family would be very much appreciated. Regards, Janice Belrose - Sydney

Dear Bev, The notice is indexed under McDONALD as that was the name she had when she died. As a maiden name is listed in the notice, to assist researchers the Death Notice is indexed under the other name in case the researcher did not know the married name. Anyone trying to assist Bev should look for the notice under McDONALD. Regards,Bill > > Is there anyone going to Newcastle Library and doing some newspaper look > ups..If so could I ask a favor.. I have asked for a request on Ryerson > Index > but apparently no one is doing the early Sydney Morning Herald (1890's) > > What I would like is the death &/or Funeral notice of : > > Florence (nee Hynard) McDonald (listed under Hynard but it says see > McDonald > on Ryerson Index) > > died on 14th January 1894 and it was published on the 16th January 1894 in > the Sydney Morning Herald...

Hi Is there anyone going to Newcastle Library and doing some newspaper look ups..If so could I ask a favor.. I have asked for a request on Ryerson Index but apparently no one is doing the early Sydney Morning Herald (1890's) What I would like is the death &/or Funeral notice of : Florence (nee Hynard) McDonald (listed under Hynard but it says see McDonald on Ryerson Index) died on 14th January 1894 and it was published on the 16th January 1894 in the Sydney Morning Herald... Help getting this notice would be gratefully accepted Cheers Bev Driver In Cool Brighton Adelaide

Hi Jenny Thanks for that. I'd already found it but he doesn't appear to be the one I after. Regards Chris ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 19:23:14 +1000 From: "Jenny Myers" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [HV] Convict - Thomas SHONE To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Chris, Try the National Library of Australia - newspapers beta site, choose NSW then Maitland Mercury, type "Thomas Shone" into the search box....... http://ndpbeta.nla.gov.au/ This is only one entry.......there are more......... The Maitland Mercury, and Hunter River General Advertiser Saturday 30 September 1854 Page 2 On the 26th instant, at East Maitland, by the Rev. G. K. Rusden, Mr. Thomas Shone, of Paterson, son of the late William Shone, Esq of Mincing Lane, city of London, to Annie widow of the late William Rose, Esq, Secretary of Legation to the Court of Hamburgh. Regards Jenny

>Hi John > >I am using the latest version of Family Tree Maker and it will take >a BC date but you enter it after the year - hope this helps > >June Thank you to those who replied, it was helpful. I had already purchased the latest version of Family tree Maker, so I just had to start using it. Yes, it does manage the BC dates. Many thanks. John G

Hi Listers thanks for the advice. By changing search strategy and widening my field I have now found a Gallipoli death, New Zealand origins and more including connections to GRAND (NZL), LOWE (NZL), COLLETT (NZL), WILKINSON (Newcastle), PRICE (Newcastle), DAVIDSON (Newcastle). Still looking for any connections or suggestions. ---------------------------------- SCOTT family 1-George Stuart Scott b. 1863, New Zealand, d. 1910, New Zealand +Louisa Grand |--2-Olive Louisa Scott b. 1891, New Zealand | +George Thomas Humphrey de Cline Lowe |--2-Albert George Stuart Scott b. 1894, New Zealand, d. 1962, Newcastle, NSW | +Hannah Marie Thurline Petersen b. 1906, Newcastle, NSW | |--3-Mervyn Stuart Scott b. Newcastle, NSW, d. Newcastle, NSW |--2-Harold Milton Scott b. 1898, New Zealand +Elsie Marion Collett ---------------------------------- PETERSEN Family 1-Jens Peter Petersen d. 1928, Hamilton, NSW +Hannah Wilkinson d. 1957, Newcastle, NSW |--2-William Jens Peter Petersen b. 1893, Newcastle,NSW | d. 8 Aug 1915, Gallipoli, Turkey |--2-Hannah V. C. Petersen b. 1896, Newcastle, , NSW | d. 1896, Newcastle, NSW |--2-Albert Victor Petersen b. 1897, Newcastle, NSW | d. 1964, Wallsend, NSW |--2-Ezra Martin Petersen b. 1899, Newcastle, NSW | d. 1946, Merewether, NSW | +Edith Price |--2-John Petersen b. 1902 ?, d. 1902, Newcastle, NSW |--2-Olga May Petersen b. 1903, Newcastle, NSW | +John Thomas Davidson |--2-Hannah Marie Thurline Petersen b. 1906, Newcastle, NSW | +Albert George Stuart Scott b. 1894, New Zealand, d. 1962, Newcastle, NSW |--2-Thomas Richard Petersen b. 1908, Newcastle, NSW | d. 1935, Hamilton, NSW ---------------------------------- Regards Ian Jordan -- Privacy and Confidentiality Notice: the information in this email and any attachment(s) is intended for the named recipient only. If you have received this email in error, pease delete it and any attachment(s) immediately, do not open or download any attachments. The information is for the purposes of private family history research. It may not be published or distributed in any form without the prior written consent of the sender. Information concerning living individuals is not intended to be shared. Any information concerning living individuals, either express or iimplied, is not to be recorded, distributed or published without the prior written consent of the individual concerned. The sending of this information does not amount to a waiver of any of those requirements by the author.

Hi John I am using the latest version of Family Tree Maker and it will take a BC date but you enter it after the year - hope this helps June

John asked, >I use Family Tree Maker but recently discovered that it does not > handle bc (before Christ) dates. > > Does anyone know of any family tree program that does? > Paf Ver.5.2.18 manages to handle those dates OK. Regards, Mike Harvey [email protected] I do family history so I know who to blame.

I use Family Tree Maker but recently discovered that it does not handle bc (before Christ) dates. Does anyone know of any family tree program that does? John Goswell

Dear Ian, It could be that they owned both properties, and as ratepayers are listed twice, or alternatively they were in the process of moving. The NSW Probate Index, on microfiche, should be checked and if there is a listing for Albert then there will be a file at State Records, Kingswood. See www.records.nsw.gov.au and look for Archives in Brief 84 on Probate Packets. Everything owned is valued from the doorstop to the Rolls Royce, but for public access to be allowed you have to have a number under 598443, which the date of your death should be under, as they go to about 1964-5. Sometimes the Probate Packet contains a Death Registgration Certificate as proof of death. Sincerely,Bill > > I have an Albert George Stuart Scott (son of George Stuart Scott and > Louise according to BDM Death Index) who died in 1962 in Newcastle. > > He appears on the 1930 Electoral Roll in Adamstown and at the same > address Hannah Marie Thurline Scott. The 1936 Electoral Roll gives > similar information for them at Hamilton. > > Albert married Hannah Marie Thurline PETERSEN in 1925 in Newcastle. > > Can't find dates of birth or dates of arrival. Can't find a death for > Hannah either.

Chris, Try the National Library of Australia - newspapers beta site, choose NSW then Maitland Mercury, type "Thomas Shone" into the search box....... http://ndpbeta.nla.gov.au/ This is only one entry.......there are more......... The Maitland Mercury, and Hunter River General Advertiser Saturday 30 September 1854 Page 2 On the 26th instant, at East Maitland, by the Rev. G. K. Rusden, Mr. Thomas Shone, of Paterson, son of the late William Shone, Esq of Mincing Lane, city of London, to Annie widow of the late William Rose, Esq, Secretary of Legation to the Court of Hamburgh. Regards Jenny