Dear Ian, You can look for him on www.records.nsw.gov.au doing a name check. If he was caught stowing away, he may have been charged with that offence too. Sincerely,Bill I have a Robert WEBSTER who married Hannah TAYLOR in 1903 at Hamilton (Newcastle) NSW at the Registrar's Office. Robert gave his place of birth as Liverpool ENG and his age as 27 which gives a date of birth c. 1876. His arrival in Australia may be hard to find as he claimed to have travelled as a stowaway around 1890.

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Hi listers I have a Robert WEBSTER who married Hannah TAYLOR in 1903 at Hamilton (Newcastle) NSW at the Registrar's Office. Robert gave his place of birth as Liverpool ENG and his age as 27 which gives a date of birth c. 1876. His arrival in Australia may be hard to find as he claimed to have travelled as a stowaway around 1890. He gave his father as William, a carpenter and his (deceased) mother as Ann née GIBSON. Hannah gave her place of birth as Hamilton, NSW and age 25. Her father is recorded as William TAYLOR, a miner and her (deceased) mother as Julia formerly MCLOUGHLIN. One of the witnesses was William TAYLOR who was either the father or the brother of the bride b. abt 1890. The other witness was Clara Mary PRICTER This couple had a large family in the Charlestown area. Any connections? Regards Ian Jordan

See http://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au Go to Former Members. David Arblaster was the Member for the State seat of Mosman from 1972 - 1984. Jan On 26/06/2009, at 5:21 PM, dianna charles wrote: > Hi > I'm doing research into David Amos ARBLASTER who married May Ann > ROBERTS in Singleton in 1954. Mary Ann Arblaster died June 2009. > David died > 10 August 2006. > Alan Grant RICHARDSON married Ruth Alice ROBERTS in Singleton in > 1957. > Mary and Ruth are the daughters of John Alexander ROBERTS and Alice > Wright > ROBERTS. Anyone know of these families Kind regards Dianna > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Hi I'm doing research into David Amos ARBLASTER who married May Ann ROBERTS in Singleton in 1954. Mary Ann Arblaster died June 2009. David died 10 August 2006. Alan Grant RICHARDSON married Ruth Alice ROBERTS in Singleton in 1957. Mary and Ruth are the daughters of John Alexander ROBERTS and Alice Wright ROBERTS. Anyone know of these families Kind regards Dianna

Thankyou Marg. I can see it's a hard to find one... and the libraries that have it have a tight leash on it! Have replied to Marje offlist. Deb in WA. ----- Original Message ----- From: "MargM" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 6:47 AM Subject: Re: [HV] William BRAMBLE 1804-1887 Cattle duffer > > Its Historical Records of the Central Coast of NSW " The > Brisbane Water Case " published 1989 by the Gosford District > Local History Study Group

Hello Deb, Of course you are correct - it was Eliza who married Wm. Belton - Lydia and Wm Bramble snr. were her parents, and Jane was her sister. Wm. Bramble was arrested a number of times in regard to cattle duffing and other offences, the last record I have is that he was sent to Sydney for trial, but I couldn't find whether he actually was gaoled. It is quite a while since I read through my files, so am a bit vague on details - :-) I have the record of his trial which I can send to you - he stole goods to the value of 80 guineas which resulted in his 14 year sentence, he was only a youngster, a hard start to life for a lad. He did put his brain to good use in obtaining several packages of land and ran cattle on a huge run between Port Stephens and the Myall lakes. When the Robertson Land Act was introduced in about 1872, he used his sons as proxy owners to meet the regulations. He fenced off a narrow neck of land between Smiths and another lake, effectively enclosing his land by water, using the ocean and lakes as boundaries.. I am sorry that I don't have a photo of Jane among my files after all. If you send me names of interest to you, I will check for them. Cheers Marje > > Thankyou for taking the time to look for a photo for me. Much > appreciated. > > I'm pretty certain it wasn't my William BUCKMAN walking home with the 2nd > William BRAMBLE - he was the son in law of William BRAMBLE 1804-1887 & as > far as I know he was in Nambucca where he lived. William BRAMBLE > 1840-1892 > had a daughter Alice who married Edward "Ted" BUCKMAN. I was assuming he > was the BUCKMAN In-Law that was mentioned in the article I read (as he is > the only Buckman to marry any of this particular William Bramble's > daughters > that I know of so far in my research & they were 'of Tamboy' as stated in > article). > > Re William Bramble Snr, I did read (back in 2004 on > http://www.jenwilletts.com/eraring.htm ) that he was a renowned cattle > thief...... so he was never caught/punished?... pity he didn't put his > crafty thinking to some good purpose :o). I think "the old curmudgeon" is > a > great nickname. I've always felt a little sad knowing that he was really > just a kid when he first found trouble though. Stealing food... must've > been hungry. > > In your reply to Marg you said you were descended from Lydia who married > William BELTON. I thought Lydia married James PALMER & Eliza was the > daughter to marry William BELTON (according to marr reg'ns & also Vicki > Hails work > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hails/thesis.htm) ? Or > is > that not the William BELTON you are talking about? > > Thanks again, > Deb. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marjedawn_1" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 5:24 PM > Subject: Re: [HV] William BRAMBLE 1804-1887 (was: New NLA site) > > >> Hi Deb, >> >> Thank you for your interest in the Bramble saga. >> >> I have some photos of the family so will check for your Jane Elizabeth. >> Apparently she married Wm Buckman in 1874. >> According to the news item it was her husband who was walking home with >> her >> father, Wm Bramble. . >> >> Wm Bramble Snr was a convict per Mary II,1822, who served out his >> sentence >> of 14 years plus an extra 2 years for assault committed soon after >> arrival. >> Reputed to have a rather bad temper and his penchant for collecting other >> people's, albeit unbranded, cattle has earned him the title of "the old >> curmudgeon" from MargM and myself as we researched his movements. >> Despite his several appearances in court rooms I have not found that he >> actually served a sentence for his cattle duffing. >> >> If you would like to exchange notes, please contact me offline. >> >> Cheers >> Marje >> Port Macquarie. >> > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Jan, Thank you for this reference to the Faunce v Cavanagh in which Wm. Bramble's name is mentioned several times. I have a copy of this in my files but enjoyed reading it again. Thank you for your interest, Marje MargM's reference to the Brisbane Water cases prompted me to look these

MargM's reference to the Brisbane Water cases prompted me to look these cases up on the Macquarie Uni web site. The reports of old cases make for fascinating reading and they are a potential source of information on ancestors. Most of the reports are from the press - such as the Sydney Gazette. The following link is to the case that mentions William Bramble. http://www.law.mq.edu.au/scnsw/Cases1838-39/html/faunce_v_cavenagh__1838.htm Jan Daly ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

From: "dianna charles" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: John ROBERTS Date: Tuesday, 23 June 2009 9:20 AM Hi I'm looking for information on John Alexander ROBERTS who married Alice WRIGHT in 1927 in Singleton. John is the son of George Roberts and Eliza Hamilton. John died in 1967 aged 89 and Alice died on 25th Dec 1993. Any information on this family Kind regards Dianna

That's good news. I had only heard it, not found it so myself. On 23/06/2009, Yvonne Scrivener <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Robyn and everyone else following this thread, > > There have been some negative messages on various boards about the > difficulties associated with unsubscribing. I cannot comment on the reasons > behind those difficulties, but can say that I had no difficulty whatsoever > when I unsubscribed from Ancestry.uk in January before resubscribing to > Ancestry.au. > > It was very simple - once you have a subscription there is a link to Your > Account - from there you simply follow the link to Cancel Subscription. > Ancestry will then send you an email confirming for you the last day that > you can access the site - until that day, access is as normal. > > You must give them 14 days notice though so it is a good idea to set a > reminder on the calendar or in Outlook about a month before your > subscription expires. > > Yvonne Scrivener > Canberra ACT > Australia > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Robyn > Horan > > <snip> You may find that that's enough for you. I > have heard that it's a bit difficult to un-subscribe. > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear Laraine, David and Sandra have been members for a couple of years. Give David a call. He is very happy with what he has. Regards.Bill > > Would you recommend a complete subscription (everything they have) or > would > it be better to select only the areas of ones own family history interest.

Hi Robyn and everyone else following this thread, There have been some negative messages on various boards about the difficulties associated with unsubscribing. I cannot comment on the reasons behind those difficulties, but can say that I had no difficulty whatsoever when I unsubscribed from Ancestry.uk in January before resubscribing to Ancestry.au. It was very simple - once you have a subscription there is a link to Your Account - from there you simply follow the link to Cancel Subscription. Ancestry will then send you an email confirming for you the last day that you can access the site - until that day, access is as normal. You must give them 14 days notice though so it is a good idea to set a reminder on the calendar or in Outlook about a month before your subscription expires. Yvonne Scrivener Canberra ACT Australia -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Robyn Horan <snip> You may find that that's enough for you. I have heard that it's a bit difficult to un-subscribe.

I have the Australian and UK subscription only and that has been good so far. The dollar exchange rate was very good when I joined 18 months ago - the last subscription rate was not so good :-) I have found that using Ancestry has helped a lot with things like directories and electoral rolls. The detail I got from them really helped to give "flesh" to my records. But as far as UK BDM records, you can get them for free using Free BMD (just google that to find the link). The same group has started transcribing parish records but it's in its infancy so far. I have some people in my tree that may have gone to Canada or the US before coming to Australia. When I get ready to follow that up I may take out just a 1 month world wide Ancestry subscription or make a view visits to a library that has it for free. You may find that that's enough for you. I have heard that it's a bit difficult to un-subscribe. The other thing you might like to do is to join Genes Reunited. It's only about $20 a year and it's more focussed on the UK, Australia and New Zealand than Ancestry is. Ancestry is more oriented towards US records. Genes Runited is useful for making contact with others in your tree. You can pay extra to have access to databases - things like BDMs etc. I haven't used them and I read an email where someone said that they are not as good as Ancestry's - their opinion only. Cheers Robyn On 23/06/2009, K & L Goodworth <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Christene, > > Would you recommend a complete subscription (everything they have) or would > it be better to select only the areas of ones own family history interest. > > Cheers, > Laraine > >

At 01:18 PM 23/06/2009, K & L Goodworth wrote: >Hi Christene, > >Would you recommend a complete subscription (everything they have) or would >it be better to select only the areas of ones own family history interest. > >Cheers, >Laraine Laraine, It depends on where your relatives are from. If UK based, the minimum I would recommend would be the UK Heritage. However, they have just added alot of parish info from the LMA but you need to upgrade to UK Heritage Plus with that one. If you don't have any US connections or other parts of Europe, then you won't get much use out of the World Heritage package. However, you never know what you will find. At one stage, I got a trial of the US package and found my grandfather on there. It was a shipping record from when he went to Canada via the US to do pilot training during WWII. So you never know what you might find. Cheers, Michelle --------------------- Michelle Watson [email protected] Watson/Canet Family History - http://watsoncanet.webcon.net.au/ Researching: Watson, Canet, Harper, Whitley, Rann, Hamilton, O'Donnell, Wilkes, Freeman, Munro, Brown, Baker, Hughes, Davis, Sandilands

Hi Christene, Would you recommend a complete subscription (everything they have) or would it be better to select only the areas of ones own family history interest. Cheers, Laraine -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Christene Sent: Saturday, 20 June 2009 9:36 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [HV] ancestry.com I have been a member of the ancestry au site for quite a while plenty of benefits...I have yet to find a downfall I have found family on the members trees and I use the uk welsh and scot census ,au electoral rolls etc,,,never a problem Christene

Hi I'm looking for information on John Alexander ROBERTS who married Alice WRIGHT in 1927 in Singleton. John is the son of George Roberts and Eliza Hamilton. John died in 1967 aged 89 and Alice died on 25th Dec 1993. Any information on this family Kind regards Dianna

----- Original Message ----- From: "D Cook" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 1:43 AM Subject: Re: [HV] William BRAMBLE 1804-1887 - cattle duffer > > What was the name of that book? > >> > Hi Deb Its Historical Records of the Central Coast of NSW " The Brisbane Water Case " published 1989 by the Gosford District Local History Study Group , who dont exist now. I bought my copy a few years ago . On the surface its to do with cattle duffing but is alot more involved with the the arrival of Richard BOURKE as Governor of the Colony and local BW land holders and even James MUDIE of Castle Forbes was in the background as he wasnt re appointed as a JP . Alured Tasker FAUNCE was instead who was a new chum. William BRAMBLE had been in this area for a couple of years when this blew up . Bye MargM Hunter Valley List Admin

Hi Deb, Thank you for your interest in the Bramble saga. I have some photos of the family so will check for your Jane Elizabeth. Apparently she married Wm Buckman in 1874. According to the news item it was her husband who was walking home with her father, Wm Bramble. . Wm Bramble Snr was a convict per Mary II,1822, who served out his sentence of 14 years plus an extra 2 years for assault committed soon after arrival. Reputed to have a rather bad temper and his penchant for collecting other people's, albeit unbranded, cattle has earned him the title of "the old curmudgeon" from MargM and myself as we researched his movements. Despite his several appearances in court rooms I have not found that he actually served a sentence for his cattle duffing. If you would like to exchange notes, please contact me offline. Cheers Marje Port Macquarie. > Hi Marg & Bramble researchers, > > Have just caught on to William's name being mentioned. He's one my 3x > Great > Grandfathers through daughter Jane Elizabeth BRAMBLE. > > Have not started seriously on the BRAMBLEs but have collected bits & > pieces > along my travels researching my other families. Am also aware of the > newspaper articles but haven't alot of time to go through them yet. > > Can someone please update me on the statements below about William? I did > have a little giggle :o) . > > Am also interested in any photos of the Brambles especially William's > family. I have seen the one of Jane in the book "A Shepherd from Kent" in > her latter years. Is there a younger one? > > Thanks, > Deb. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MargM" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]>; "Marjorie Bird" > <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 10:27 AM > Subject: Re: [HV] New NLA site > > snipped... > >> Thats a shame it turned out to be 'son of the old >> curmudgeon Had it not been could have been a case of 'did >> he fall or was he pushed ' :-) >> >> More of the Maitland Mercury will be up soon . Might get to >> know the outcome of the 'old curmugeons' demise >> > snipped... > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Marg, The circumstances of the fall from the cliff suggests suspicion that he "either fell or was pushed". Here is the part quote from the news item - He and a "son in law, Buckman, were walking home together when somehow Bramble was left behind, did not reach home that night so a search next morning discovered his body in a mutilated condition at the base of the precipitous cliff" Our line isn't descended from this William Bramble, but from his sister, Lydia, who married William Belton . Hopefully the 1876 editions of the SMH and Maitland Mercury will throw more light on Capt. Belton's drowning in the storm of September of that year. The prototype of the new style NLA web site is very easy to search, with extra links available. The search continues -- Cheers, Marje